do you ever look back and be puzzled over how you were ensnared by retarded ideologies?
Yes. But I'm still with Ted all the way.
>>24752584It's hard to take him seriously when he talked like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YlkCdSRuWQ&t=507s
>>24752592he sounds jewish
>>24752592That voice lmao no wonder he died a virgin he sounds insufferable
>>24752584He was great at identifying problems but his solutions weren't very practical.
>>24752677IIRC his proposed solution was basically national revolution leading to stopping international trade of vital products, which would make technological society collapse. While national revolution (in a country important for the system) is obviously a high bar to clear -- which is why he spent so much time on revolutionary strategy -- I'm not sure what alternatives there would be. Microchip factory sabotage, or the equivalent? Seems unreliable
>>24752584Unfortunately Ted was too ignorant to realise that the social ills of industrialised society can be eliminated and more importantly, were eliminated almost entirely in National Socialist Germany.
Actually not, I'm a libertarian and I'm satisfied so far with the results the policies I believe in are achieving.
>>24752700Let me guess: you've read neither Kaczynski nor Ellul.
>>24752685For this to work, it would have to happen in every country simultaneously. Otherwise any country that did it would basically disappear from the world and its competitors would take its place in the global order.
>>24752743Well, no, not by the analysis Ted builds on. The ever-increasing interconnectedness and frailty of the technological system is emphasized. It's a pretty fundamental part of his diagnosis of the problem. In fact this is kind of on the very first page of the manifesto. Why does nobody in these threads ever read shit. "solutions weren't very practical" my ass, you literally don't know what you're talking about
>>24752584Not really but I do look at failed normies like your picrel and wonder how that happens to those around me.
>>24752584Well he did want to transition but in the end he decided against it. Cut him some slack.
>>24752754What are some successful examples of a country implementing his theories?
>>24752704I’ve read a lot of Kaczynski. Never heard of the latter.
>>24752785Implementing his theories on what? Action to lead to collapse of the technological system? I dunno, what's some successful examples of a country implementing Mainländer's theories?>>24752792You've read "a lot" of him but have never heard of the man referenced 13 times in Technological Slavery, including directly by name in the main text of the third page of the preface and by name and relevant work in the first paragraph of the postscript to the manifesto, and whom Kaczynski explicitly bases all of his work on? Yeah I betHoly fuck. I hope I am speaking to chatbots, because the alternative would be too depressing
>>24752816>You've read "a lot" of him but have never heard of the man referenced 13 times in Technological Slavery, including directly by name in the main text of the third page of the preface and by name and relevant work in the first paragraph of the postscript to the manifesto, and whom Kaczynski explicitly bases all of his work on? Yeah I betAutism post. I’m not interested in studying a man he references, I’m interested in his ideas, which have some merit, but are profoundly pessimistic and defeatist. Stop being antisocial and condescending, you might lead a normal life and make friends :)
>>24752584Ted was correct doe. You can disagree with his methods but you can't really argue against his warning
>>24752833His ideas are Ellul's. They're discussed in greater depth there. He says so. Explicitly. Repeatedly. I only act antisocially on here because you are all hateful retards.
>>24752584No
>>24752843I don’t give a fuck, I really don’t care. I’m interested in the ideas. The premise of this thread is that Kaczynski’s ideas render all ideologies as defunct, which is emphatically untrue. You’re correct about us being hateful. We are very hateful: hateful against the Jewish, Liberal and Leftist psychopaths who have undermined the social and ethnic fabric of our entire civilisation. The solution is not the overthrow of technological society, but rather the subordination of technological society to the interests of the White race and the ecosphere, to the extent that this is possible. If this Elulls’ ideas are in tandem with Ted’s, then there’s not really much point in me studying him, is there? Have a nice life.
>>24752841He knew nothing about international relations and was short sighted
>>24752860Jesus. You are actually illiterate, huh. For my own sanity I will be assuming this is indeed AI-posting.>>24752864How do you mean?
>>24752868>Jesus. You are actually illiterate, huh. For my own sanity I will be assuming this is indeed AI-posting.This isn’t AI, you little fairy. You’re refusing to engage my ideas, because you don’t know how to answer them.
>>24752816>Implementing his theories on what? Action to lead to collapse of the technological system?Yes. Clearly no country has ever tried because they don't see enough advantages. I'm not hating on Ted. He was right about a lot of the problems of the modern world. But his solutions are more for the individual as a personal philosophy rather than for a country as a political program.
>>24752584Pic unrelated
>>24752887You're not presenting any legible ideas. You simply aren't engaging with Ted's, or anyone elses, analysis of technology. Racial subordination of technological society is nonsensical, meaningless rhetoric that betrays a complete lack of understanding of the concepts being discussed. There's simply nothing to say to you because you aren't saying anything yourself.>"i'm interested in his ideas">his ideas are ellul's. they're discussed in greater depth there>"i don't give a fuck, i really don't care, i'm interested in the ideas"Yeah.>>24752892I guess you're saying that no country would ever choose to implement it because the motives are about suffering, dignity, and other psychological reasons not of interest to states. But neither Ted nor (I imagine) anyone else pictures that happening, a state simply deciding Ted is right and trying to serve his ideals by his methods. I mean, the state is already presumed to be so deeply invested in technology to be entirely ruled by it. It's not for no reason Ted talks of violent revolution instead of appealing to world governments. Ultimately the fact that countries wouldn't see enough advantages doesn't seem to me to be anything more than a potential obstacle for recruitment, but not a critical one and not one that hasn't already been overcome many times before
>>24752926>Racial subordination of technological society is nonsensical, meaningless rhetoric that betrays a complete lack of understanding of the concepts being discussed.It’s only nonsensical if you disagree with it.
>>24752926Bitch please you aren’t raising any ideas yourself. You’re literally insulting everybody for fuck sake
>>24752944Yeah I'm working with the presumption that those who would discuss this have already read at least Ted himself properly and that I don't need to recap it
>>24752947I have read him properly. His main idea is that technological society is degrading the human experience and needs to be overthrown. This thread exists on the premise that this idea renders political ideologies as obsolete and worthless. I offer a quite rational refutation to this belief and I find myself attacked without ideological debate! You’re worthless. National Socialism renders Ted’s premise as obsolete, because the German population under Hitler is proof that mass industrial society can still provide general life satisfaction and mass prosperity.
>>24752960>rational refutationWhich? The claim that the Germans under the Nazi party were happy and satisfied? Get real, man
>>24752964Exactly that, and the proof lies in this book.
>>24752592sounds based
>>24752868every time I bring this up someone always asks as if they're clueless. let me explain it again for the slow ones here: any time a country loses its technological advantage, they are bettered by countries that haven't. the idea that all countries will do it voluntarily ignores the fact states exist to seek their own advantage and if you roll back changes to the iron age you will get brutally attacked by more technically proficient forces.
>>24754199the idea that all countries will do it voluntarily (or any country) is your own original idea and not at all something ted believes
>>24752592what a lovable little dweeb
>>24752965lmfao
>>24752592explains everything.i always had a theory that what you looked like explained how you thought and saw things (not even a theory really just a basic observation). but obviously how you sound is a big part of things as well.Riflemen miss if orders sound unsure; They only are secure who seem secure
>>24752964>that's bullshit because uhhh unironically kill yourself
>>24754204Never said it was. But what's his solution? Have a global authority do it instead? Because if thats the case he's just as bad as the people he accuses.
>>24754424no. again, the entire call to action is based on ideas of the system's interconnectedness and frailty, with a major disruption caused by a local hard-core revolutionary movement being able to send the whole thing into spiralling collapse. ted criticizes eco-fascist groups who talk of an all-powerful post-revolutionary government enforcing ecological or anti-tech policy as extremely naive.
>>24752700>were eliminated almost entirely in National Socialist Germany.No they weren't
>>24754444What, Anon? It's true. You haven't heard of the revolution? That one day in March of '33 when Hitler snapped his fingers and being a cog in modern industrial society was suddenly based and redpilled instead of cringe and Jewish?
>>24752592lmao this takes away all the mystique surrounding him
What did Kaczynski think of Evola?
>>24754724I don't think he ever mentioned Evola. There's not really any overlap beyond both seeking to retvrn in some sense, Kaczynski was mainly concerned with the material
>>24754774>Kaczynski was mainly concerned with the materialOr so he thought
>>24752584Yeah. Christianity, conservatism, progressive-liberalism, and the scientism of the big bang sortBakunin is my man. Poor Ted was just a wild card telling the civis to get the fuck out of his yard. MKultra did him and so many others dirty and the CIA should be hunted to the last for their crimes.
