thoughts on this book?
Geography is pretty good at explaining why certain cultures are deficient (you literally cannot argue against the lack of traversable rivers in sub-saharan africa causing significant difficulties in spreading ideas and culture through trade) but it doesn't do a good job at explaining why European cultures suddenly started dominating (China had even better geography than Europe, with a 3 god tier rivers spanning an enormous territory enabling trade and communications, amazing high calorie dense crops like rice that were able to support massive populations that absolutely mogged europe, and a great climate for growing said crops)
I got it at the used bookstore and have only read bits and pieces. I have read way more attacks on his thesis online.
>>24753284>why European cultures suddenly started dominatingThey started stealing from and exploiting other cultures
>>24753287So did everyone else since prehistory but Europeans still mogged
I did read it many years ago.Good book, but flawed.I remember him giving examples of African animals that could not be domesticated as a cope for why Africans never domesticated animals. But they did. Kinda...The Bantu people artificially selected the Pygmy people to feed them. They were forced to gather food in the forest, and if they did not meet the quota, they became the food.Their selective breeding of only the most stupid and pathetic led to a group of people with an average IQ of 53 and their females reached sexual maturity at 14 years and menopause at the age of 42 (if they live that long, since their life expectancy is 26). If you look up, you will find the exact same values I gave, but you will also find a hilarious cope from modern anthropologists claiming they evolved this way to "stay less hot", or to "hunt smaller animals".Such a shame no one writes about this. Could be an incredible topic for science fiction or anthropology.
>>24753319I'm gonna do but with the incel phenomenon once I get my BA in world history
>>24753334They are the opposite of incels.Have you read Brave New World by Huxley?I swear, he must have used the Pygmy people as influence for his "Epsilons" caste.
>>24753319Pygmies were short and stupid before Bantus even immigrated to their lands.
>>24753287Nope.
>>24753287Which culture did we steal the highly engineered ships from that we used to pull up to your pile of trash and dominate your mud-hut dwelling ancestors? We must have got it from somebody else right? Lol.
>>24753353We don't know. There are no living ancient relatives alive today to compare.Their mtDNA tells us that their female lineage is prehistoric African. But their Y chromosome haplogroup suggests they have been conquered by the same group of Africans that now live next to them.How could they be 20 points lower than their neighbours if they were not artificially selected?Also, we do have plenty of European accounts of "savages" eating their own (which could mean a lot of things, I give you that, but it still supports my theory) in that part of Africa. Discrediting the fact that a group of people could have been selectively bred to be stupid should not be discarded just because it's cruel and makes Africans look bad...
>>24753371I think it's more likely that they were enslaved cause they're weaker and dumber rather than sub-Saharan Africans being clever enough to employ these millennia-spanning domestication techniques.
>>24753319>if they did not meet the quota, they became the food.>Their selective breeding of only the most stupid and pathetic
>>24753358Hummmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CaravelYou understand that North Africa was always the most advanced naval power in the world up to the late Middle Ages?The only reason why Arabs never arrived in the Americas was because they strictly forbade alcohol.Water can be kept only for a few days in a wooden barrel, but beer... Beer can be fermented the whole trip and consumed as needed without spoiling.So yeah, the ships used to arrive in America by Spanish and Portuguese sailors were an Arab creation "left" after the Reconquista.
>>24753386North Africa was European far before it was Arabic learn some fucking history lol
>>24753381They were enslaved. It's a fact. I am only suggesting that they were the first animals domesticated for food in Africa.Also, the last time when they were eaten on a large scale was in the beginning of the year 2000.
>>24753284>it doesn't do a good job at explaining why European cultures suddenly started dominatingThe invention of the printing press. The Chinese language doesn't work with movable type, so that's why they left behind.
>>24753387Are Phoenicians European?
>>24753386Wait, so your argument is that we 'stole' technology from the arabs who conquered Spain? I can't even follow your level of retardation, sorry
>>24753389Being enslaved and being domesticated are not the same. Also suffering a genocide is not that unique in Africa.
>>24753390Bruh, the Chinese invented the printing press some 400 years before Gutenberg (who probably was influenced by the Chinese technique).
>>24753264>thoughts on this book?
Total trash. I read it for a book club and it was painful. Diamond basically refuses to accept IQ tests as a measure of human intelligence and he also refuses to accept that intelligence can also be determined via genetics. He uses a ton of weasel words, uses zero citations and zero evidence for anything he says, still believes in the out of Africa theory, which has been debunked by genetics, he also believes that 40,000 years ago Australia was all dry desert, and not jungle, he contradicts his own arguments, he goes off on long tangents that have nothing to do with his argument. And keep in mind the only reason he doesn't accept genetic differences in intelligence is because "that's heckin racist, muh dude." If you want to ignore that intelligence is linked to genetics, then fucking disprove it, use facts and studies and citations. But he doesn't. He says it makes him feel icky and that's that. And he spends the rest of the book dancing around the fact that most of his floundering arguments can be easily explained via genetic studies.He thinks that New Guineans are more intelligent than Europeans. He says they are: >more intelligent, more alert, more expressive, and more interested in things and people around them than the average European or American is. At some tasks... such as the ability to form a mental map of unfamiliar surroundings, they appear considerably more adept than Westerners.Zero citations. Zero evidence. And by the way New Guineans believe in voodoo magic today. Like if there's a car crash in New Guinea today, the locals will believe a witch put a curse on the car, and they'll go murder some random woman to lift the curse. He thinks they're highly intelligent. But he doesn't prove any of this in his book. He just says it. I'm sure Guns Germs and Steel is very impressive to someone who has zero understanding of ancient history, of genetic science, of racial statistics, of measures of intelligence, and of the modern struggles of the 3rd world. Because they won't notice any of the glaring errors he makes as he talks about the past 13,000 years of human history, or they wont notice that his arguments are based on nothing but hot air. I can just see the retards nodding their heads and taking every word of this book as absolute truth. But if you do notice these errors, these lies, these inaccuracies, these poor arguments, it makes for a highly unpleasant read.
>>24753408>he also believes that 40,000 years ago Australia was all dry desert, and not jungleSo what, should the Aborigines have created a hyper advanced civilization during that time period that would have carried them through the next 40,000 years of extreme desertification?
>>24753401He said the *movable type*, which China couldn’t use. Actually a movable type was even invented in Korea but it still wasn’t practical enough to use widely. Even if it were, Chinese literacy was extremely low, even compared to Europe, and China couldn’t really remedy this until the communists took over and established the simplified character system and basically force fed literacy even to peasants who had no use for it and wanted their kids to spend the time in the fields
>>24753264it has a cool title
>>24753394I don't claim they were stolen.Moors were still a large part of the population of Spain (you literally can find examples of it in Don Quixote). They just converted to Christianism...Do you consider Moors from Andalusia, who are direct descendants of Arabs, as white Europeans?>>24753395You probably misunderstand me because of my shitty English.Yes, we know that the Pygmy people were enslaved. Yes, we know they were eaten on many occasions.I suggest the hypothesis that maybe the Bantu people, over centuries of slavery, enforced an artificial selection to keep this specific group of people physically weak, selecting traits desirable for collecting food (like not being smart enough to hide food).And I even risk another step and suggest that maybe this was the reason why the Bantus never domesticated plants for agriculture. Because they did not need it. All they had to do was raid their pygmy colony...I know this is a really fucked-up idea. But there is nothing that would prevent it from working.
>>24753386The Vikings reached North America in the eleventh century without Arab help. The beer hypothesis also doesn't explain why the Arabs were thrown out of Iberia by European "savages."
>>24753408>And by the way New Guineans believe in voodoo magic today.Those are Haitians.BTW, we have colour records from tribal warfare in New Guinea from the 60s.They were still stuck in the Stone Age, as they had not learnt about bronze or any metal (which is ironic because their country is one huge mine nowadays).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxrIEt38DVw
>>24753319>blacks made a slave race of midgets
>>24753416You know what happened to the forests, right? The abbos burnt it all down. His argument is that abbos didn't have the same bountiful resources that Europeans did, which is wrong. And because Australia's environment always has been a desert, which is wrong, it was therefore much more difficult to live in. So in order to survive the abbos had to become hyper-intelligent, which is wrong. And they are the way they are today not because they're low IQ and never learned to develop a written language or develop any tool more complicated than a throwing stick or a stabbing stick or a music stick, but because... of some other reason unrelated to IQ. In fact, Diamond does mention that abbos hunted by setting things on fire, but he says this was actually a genius way to do it, and not an insanely idiotic practice and the main contributing factor of what created the uninhabitable wasteland of modern Australia.
>Those are Haitians.Them too. But also PNGs. https://archive.is/BHhkKSee, Diamond, you fucking hack? I can cite my sources. Why can't you?
>>24753424>I suggest the hypothesis that maybe the Bantu people, over centuries of slavery, enforced an artificial selection to keep this specific group of people physically weakThe current scientific evidence I believe points out to dwarfism being selected in pygmies AFTER they separated from bantus. So their short stature as well as low intelligence are not likely to be artificially bred. Also using humans as your food source is not very efficient to begin with.
>>24753426>The Vikings reached North America in the eleventh centuryTrue, but they were unable to make frequent Atlantic crossings in their ships and ended up giving up on their settlers, who were probably killed by natives.Also, don't say viking. 'Viking' was a word for 'raider'. Most of those expeditions were for trade (Norsemen went as far as modern-day Iran to trade).>why the Arabs were thrown out of Iberia by European "savages."Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. This is the wheel of fortune, and it never stops spinning.Also, only those who refused to convert were expelled/killed. A large number of Iberians are direct descendants of the Moorish people that conquered Spain and ruled it for 800 years.
>>24753287Yes. That is dominating.Your reply is redundant.
>>24753424Crazy that arabs built all those ships and parked them in Portugal hoping someone who was allowed to drink alcohol might utilize them some day. Truly fascinating, thanks for sharing.
>>24753358>>24753386>>24753387they didn't have a fucking way to navigate other than by line of sight until after the muslims conquered north africa. that's why they used to sail ships super close to the coasts
>>24753443>The abbos burnt it all down.Nigga do you know anything about Australian ecology? The entire country sets itself on fire regularly. 3/4ths of forests in Australia are Eucalyptus, and the life cycle of Eucalyptus trees revolves around fire. Eucalyptus oil is highly flammable and trees will LITERALLY explode during forest fires, spreading oil and worsening the fire. They have the ability to regenerate after forest fires while also killing out competing plants to create more space for eucalyptus. Over the last 40,000 years eucalyptus out-competed literally every other tree, contributing to the desertification of Australia.
>>24753448I disagree.If the severe inbreeding caused low intelligence (which it does and is not even something that takes generations to appear), the competition for food would give an edge to the smartest and strongest, unless he was removed for being a threat to their owners.>Also using humans as your food source is not very efficient to begin with.So what? Growing onions to feed pigs is also not very efficient, but we still do.Efficiency only matters when you are competing with someone else. I think it only tipped the scale when cattle were introduced to Africa (and immediately the Bantu people became a pastoral group of people and grew in numbers).
>>24753473You disagree with what? Dwarfism appeared after they separated, that's a fact. Also there are several pygmy populations outside of Africa too, several of them having lived pretty isolated lives until somewhat recently.
>>24753467https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamal_(navigation)But Europeans literally adopted Arab tools for navigation; this is no mystery...Also, only plebs believed that the world was flat. Eratosthenes work was incredibly popular at the time. Educated people knew the world was round, but they did not knew how far Asia was because no one had measure it.>>24753465Everything fancy, from perfume, silk, spice, and paints, came to Europe in an Arab ship...This was one of the reasons why the Reconquista happened. The Moors were filthy rich because of the trade, and European rulers wanted a piece of that.Believing that religion was the only reason for the Crusades is borderline retarded.
>>24753420>Chinese literacy was extremely low, even compared to EuropeNo, during the Medieval times, the Chinese had higher literacy.
>>24753297They had a good location and the right resources
>>24753371>How could they be 20 points lower than their neighbours if they were not artificially selected?Why does it have to be artificial? They are pygmies, small people, hence smaller skulls and smaller brains. Why are they small? Because the jungle environment they live in has selected for it.
>>24753477>Dwarfism appeared after they separatedBruh, you just claimed they were always tiny and retarded.> Also there are several pygmy populations outside of Africa tooNo.And all Pygmies are related. Which, in my opinion, supports my idea that they were domesticated and then introduced to other parts of Africa during the early Bantu expansion.Pic related are their languages. I need to go sleep. It was fun to talk about what I believe is the most misunderstood anthropological topic of our times.
>>24753488your link says those were invented in the 9th century, so the 800s and google says the muslims conquered north africa in the 600s. so by the time they had kamals they couldn't drink beer
>>24753386>Water can be kept only for a few days in a wooden barrel, but beerIt's an interesting point, but how do you explain Muslim trade into Southeast Asia and beyond. They were very active in that direction for centuries, taking the trade over from the Indians who previously dominated it.
>>24753386>Water can be kept only for a few days in a wooden barrel,Bad water can always be boiled, though, innit? The alcohol might have been more about keeping the crew happy.
>>24753390>Chinese language doesn't work with movable typewut? yes, they mad moveable "type" the type were the individual characters and they moved them around to create different combinations of characters to create sentences. they invented the printing press.
>>24753454>True, but they were unable to make frequent Atlantic crossings in their ships and ended up giving up on their settlers, who were probably killed by natives.That had nothing to do with the quality of their ships or their seafaring abilities. The colonies simply weren't worth the trouble. Considering that they were outnumbered a hundred to one by the skraelings, it isn't surprising that they had problems with defence.
>>24753443>The abbos burnt it all down.It doesn't work like that, fren
>>24753510Yeah, but they needed thousands of different characters, which made setting a page time-consuming, and it was actually quicker to just carve a new woodblock. But either method is much, much slower than the half a hundred characters needed for European languages.
>>24753511>That had nothing to do with the quality of their ships or their seafaring abilities.The Vikings had to sail close to shore. If they had the technology to cross the open Atlantic (with shorter sailing time), things may have gone differently.
>>24753518>it was actually quicker to just carve a new woodblock.wut?
>>24753506Simple, they stop at many ports along the way, trading and getting supplies.You never tried to sell something to an Arab, did you?Haggling is in their blood. Also, before I go sleep, I want to share something I read about Timbuktu markets.It was incredibly rare for traders to know the many languages and dialects used by other traders in that particular part of the world (literally the trading place of Africa). So they had something called "silent haggle", in which they put their goods on a table, and if the other person was interested, he would put what he was willing to trade in the same trade, and if you thought it was too little, you would either pick up your stuff and come back another time or remove part of your merchandise and leave only what was worth what the other person was offering, signalling the value you think it's worth. It's crazy how simple it is. They probably used this all over the place, from Europe to Africa, the Middle East, Asia and even the Americas.
>>24753522The Chinese had woodblock printing for forever, long before Gutenberg made his printing press.
>>247535291040 they developed a press that uses ceramic characters that could be ordered to make texts.
>>24753534Yeah, but it was more efficient to use woodblock printing.
>>24753523>probably used this all over the placeI wouldn't be so sure about that. Most interantional trade was for currency (gold/silver) not barter.
>>24753505>by the time they had kamals they couldn't drink beeryou know what they did? they had the camels drink water and then they would sew its mouth shut so it wouldn't contaminate the water, then they would slaughter the camel for the water when they needed to cross the desert
>>24753504Bantus and pygmies have a common ancestor, pygmy traits developed AFTER they separated from their bantu cousins. By the time they rejoined thousands of years ago pygmy traits were already well-established.
>>24753390You would have to answer why this no longer applies, and also why the Japanese (who also used Chinese characters) were not really held back.
>>24753469>3/4ths of forests in Australia are EucalyptusThat's what the forests are today, after thousands and thousands of years of abbos burning down forests faster than they can regrow. Eucalyptus was the only tree strong enough to survive their retarded hunting practices. And now Australia is the bush fire capital of the world thanks to abbos exterminating the entire biodiversity of Australia.
>>24753548>why this no longer appliesWdym?>why the Japanese were not really held backThey were medieval in technology into the middle of the 19th century.
>>24753371this might genuinely be the most moronic post I've ever read
>>24753607 meant for >>24753319
Aliens/jews injected the west with advanced technology and information
I havent read it but its shit.
>>24753340Yeah but thats not the point
Look at this shitskins copingI love being white
>>24753600In other words, why it doesn't hold them back anymore (and don't say because of laser printing, lol).
>>24753284Why then explain to me how the ruling royalty all through out history since civilization started from the Mesopotamia down through Rome and then Europe most times the ruling majority were similar in genetics to the upper wealth of today
Disregard genetics it also comes down to the nation states competition with each other in Europe that jump started the era that brought it all around the world
>>24753287who did they steal the steam engine from
>>24753287Its called cultural exchange that's what the silk road trade and cooperation provides down on to the dark ages when the middle easts scribes objectives were to preserve the works of scientists and thinkers that came before.
>>24755321Yakub.
>>24753494China and India are way better locations though, and even closer to primitive civilisations to exploit. On the scheme of spawn points for civilisations on Earth Europe is actually kind of mid. Slightly better than North America because it’s closer for trade to other better spawn points, but way worse than India or China which are just flat out OP, especially China - easily the most busted spawn point in the game.
>>24753264It's a good example of jewish lies. It uses 5 diseases as coming from livestock, when 3 of these were already present in humans before the advent of farming. For example smallpox comes from an african rodent.
>>24753319>In the Republic of the Congo, where Pygmies make up 2% of the population, many Pygmies live as slaves to Bantu masters. The nation is deeply stratified between these two major ethnic groups. The Pygmy slaves belong to their Bantu masters from birth in a relationship that the Bantus call a time-honored tradition. A 2007 news report stated that even though Pygmies are responsible for much of the hunting, fishing and manual labor in jungle villages, "Pygmies and Bantus alike say that Pygmies are often paid at the master's whim: in cigarettes, used clothing, or even nothing at all."[40] As a result of pressure from UNICEF and human-rights activists, in 2009, a law that would grant special protections to the Pygmy people was awaiting a vote by the Congo parliament.[40][41] According to reports made in 2013, this law was never passed.[42]>In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, during the Ituri conflict, Ugandan-backed rebel groups were accused by the UN of enslaving Mbutis to prospect for minerals and forage for forest food, with those returning empty handed being killed and eaten.[43]
>>24753371>How could they be 20 points lower than their neighbours if they were not artificially selectedThere are plenty of cognitive differences between people groups as well as animal groups that aren't artifically selected. Like why could it only be artificially selected?
>>24753264Written by a jew to summarily blame all problems in the world on white people, it ain't even subtle.
>>24753408>He uses a ton of weasel words, uses zero citations and zero evidence for anything he says>still believes in the out of Africa theory, which has been debunked by genetics>Diamond basically refuses to accept IQ tests as a measure of human intelligenceThe word you were looking for is "unscientific". Diamond and his fanboys do not know how to apply the scientific method. Diamond offers a hypothesis but none of his fanboys go and test his hypothesis using data.
>>24755430Europe is very close to where the first advanced civilizations started and they were able to use the Mediterranean as the first "superhighway" for commerce/trade. China had to build their own system (the Great Canal) to have something comparable. India's Gangetic valley is fairly isolated (hemmed in by the Himalayas).
>>24755321Somebody had to be the first to invent it. Given the right conditions it would have been developed by anybody.
>>24755725saquandrerius was picosends away from doing it himself
Diamond's thesis is essentially geographical determinism. He views all humans and all cultures as being essentially the same and will expand/exploit/conquer equally if simply dropped in a geographical region with the correct resources to allow their society to expand deterministically. His main issue is that he views culture as unimportant in explaining historical processes, as he thinks something like 16th century European colonialism can be explained by purely predetermined geographical processes rather than a cultural impetus to spread Christianity and protect Christendom, or certain cultures rewarding maritime exploration. On the flip side, he can only explain the failure of a society to adapt higher level technologies or state organizations as also being the result of geographical determinism. His theory basically cannot understand the refusal of a culture to adopt "higher" technology except as a result of their geographical impoverishment as he doesn't believe that culture or human willpower have any significant input into the development of history.
>>24756755If you want to come up with a reason to provide intellectual basis for support of mass migration, to negate both biological and cultural differences that would lead to problems, this is exactly the kind of thing one would have to come up with.
>>24756850The more important context is that the book was written in the "end of history" era of the late 1990s. I don't think you can properly understand his theory of geographical determinism except as a way to justify the contemporaneous triumph of neoliberal global capitalism as not an ideological struggle, but as the logical teleological course of history since man first walked upright. GG&S is essentially a thesis to explain why the world is dominated by the USA & western Europe in 1997 by someone who takes it for granted that globohomo capitalism is the be all and end all of history because geography dictated the Europe would dominate the world, that capitalism would arise in Europe, and that any ideological alternative was just a bump in the road of the inevitable progress of liberal capitalist democracy.
>>24755725Why do you assume that to be the case? And why would an invention necessarily be adopted and expanded on just because it's been invented? Do you think technological development works like a techtree with a loading bar like in a video game?Technology is only adopted when a culture determines its usefulness. The Romans & Greeks could build small scale steam engines for toys, but never adopted them as labour saving devices. Was it because they lacked the geographical requirements to launch into an industrial revolution? No, it was entirely culturally/socially determined. Greek & Roman society was ruled by slave owning elites, and vast hordes of slaves served as mobile stores of speculative value as stock exchanges and finance capitalism didn't exist. Investing in labour saving devices was antithetical to the interests of the ruling elite of Roman society who therefore were ideologically opposed to such technological innovations. Geographical determinism can't explain these sorts of developments without reaching for ahistorical or unscientific explanations.
>>24755616this
>>24756894It won the Pulitzer Prize and did so exactly for undermining looking at any link between genetics and geopolitical results. in their own words.https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/jared-diamond
I got interested in this because of Orson Scott Card's book called Pastwatch. It's pretty bad. Which is a shame, because the premise was such a fun idea.What if Colombus instead of sailing west for the spanish king, goes on a new crusade east? It's compelling because Colombus did try to rally support for that first in real life.So in the book they travel back in time in an attempt to convince him to get a vision from god (using holographics and audio equipment). But when they get there, it turns out he never did choose to to travel west, another group of time travelers were giving him a mission to sail west instead and find a new land.Pretty hokey. He wrote how it was inspired by Diamond's book.
>>24756921The statement was "given the right conditions" so yes those other factors also play a role. The steam engine developed in England for a reason. They had rising wages there and had to invest heavily in labor-saving devices. They also had the coal necessary to eventually fuel these things, something many other countries did not possess.
>>24753264peak middlebrow book.Will give some good insights if your historical knowledge is based on the american education system and the history channel, but is frustratingly over-simplified and inaccurate if you have read any more academic historical works. Very funny to see it make racists so mad though, mid vs mid i suppose.
>>24758218>middlebrow>is anti-racistpot meet kettle
>world dominance in every way had nothing to do with genes because it just doesnt okay chud?!the book
>>24758307>because it just doesnt okay chud?No, he gave dozens of reasons, chud.
>>24758354What was the geographic reason why the Mongols created the largest land empire in human history?
>>24753264Disproven by American bison, Native Americans could’ve domesticated them like the Old World did with Aurochs, which were similarly fuck off big and aggressive, but they got lazy and didn’t feel like or something I don’t know
I really don't like jews. They live and breathe lies. They're always scheming and always trying to rot other groups for the sole benefit of themselves. Randomly pick any poison in society today, and they either invented it or are massively pushing/funding it. Until society stuffs them back in their reeking ghettos and forbids them access to any microphone/lever of power, there can be no health or normality.
>>24758381The short answer is that they had the horses for it
>>24758502Unlike the people they fought against who were horseless?
>>24758504Not necessarily horseless, but they simply did not have the numbers and the techniques for horseback warfare. Nor did they have the huge territory behind them that they could retreat into if necessary. The Chinese were forced to build the Great Wall at great cost in treasure and lives because there was no other option. They tried everything else. Other groups would have fared no better against them. Being a horse-based society (nomadic and herding), the mongols also had better nutrition with respect to protein so they were bigger and stronger fighters compared to people from sedentary populations. I'm sure there are other reasons one can point to but those are some of the main ones.
>>24758409>I don’t knowexactly
more like cope seethe and dilate. WPWW
>>24758606Why would that matter? Alexander btfo'd horse archers with his infantry
>>24758621Alexander was not dealing with Mongols. And your random "horse archers" are not a Mongol horder.
>>24758684So what made the Mongols specifically so unique compared to the myriad other horse-archer steppe cultures?
>>24758698>the myriadThat's exactly the issue you have if you are trying to answer this question. You do not have a generic "horse-archer steppe culture." What group are you specifically talking about? Where they located and in what period? If you are interested in historical questions you have to ask specific questions not comparing groups generically, ignoring the era and the areas that they inhabit. There have certainly been other successful steppe cultures, also on horseback in different periods. The turks originated in a similar area as the mongols with a similar culture originally and likewise expanded all the way to the Bosporus. The aryans, another horse-based culture successfully invaded India, etc.
>>24759203Literally all of them. My question is why have they all failed to create an empire the size of the Mongol one.
>>24753408Out of Africa theory debunked? Oh child…
>>24753454Direct descendants as opposed to? The Spanish DNA is overwhelmingly native, and not moor or arab as you claim.
>>24753488Ayo we wuz! Yallah!
>>24753523> Haggling is in their blood.So are the chromosomes of their aunts
>>24759489Yeah, debunked. We do not all share a common ancestry. Fossil records as well as genetic mapping of mummified remains of individuals suggests Sub-Saharan Africans and Aborigonies have a completely different evolutionary lineage. This isnt the end of the world. It just means different races have... gasp! different ancestors. Not exactly rocket science. The only counter argument out of Africa retards can make is the absurd idea that all humans everywhere at all ages of time somehow fit together into a single lineage, which is retarded for two reasons. 1. The outlying fossils that dont fit in anywhere on their evolutionary chart. They see proto-sapiens slowly turning more and more human, and then suddenly the record jumps back a million years back to apeman, and then jumps forward again. Where do we fit these fossils? Uh. In the back, out of sight. Just dont think about them. 2. After carbon dating, the main methodology of the out of Africa theory is "they look sort of similar." And I've seen conspiracy retards make all sorts of outrageous claims with the "they look alike" argument. Claims that mesas are actually giant fossilized trees, claims that Saturn has a giant pentagon on its north pole, claims that Mila Jovovich's daughter is actually a clone. So if you're going to talk to me about fossil records, you need more evidence than "they look the same, kind of!"
Nice to see a decent thread form time to time
>>24753408Meds. Now
>>24753408>He thinks that New Guineans are more intelligent than Europeans. He says they are:>>more intelligent, more alert, more expressive, and more interested in things and people around them than the average European or American is. At some tasks... such as the ability to form a mental map of unfamiliar surroundings, they appear considerably more adept than Westerners.>Zero citations. Zero evidence. And by the way New Guineans believe in voodoo magic today. Like if there's a car crash in New Guinea today, the locals will believe a witch put a curse on the car, and they'll go murder some random woman to lift the curse. He thinks they're highly intelligent. But he doesn't prove any of this in his book. He just says it.The funny thing is, if he's right, then it proves not disproves genetic differences of mind.He even writes that Guineans are selected for intelligence because there is higher mortality because of tribal warfare and murder.So if you believe in selection for intelligence and saying that guineans are more intelligent, then you do believe in genetic differences in intelligence.So he isn't avoiding the topic, he just wants to find a result to say they're smart, you're dumb and you're not allowed to talk about it, but I'm going to talk about it.It's very confusing and mystifying until you understand jewish thought.
>>24759258According to Amy Chua's day of empire it's because the mongols were more tolerant of other cultures.She's wrong, but the book is kinda similar to Diamond's book in some ways.
>>24759878>It's very confusing and mystifying until you understand jewish thought.Please explain?
>>24753519What's it like being retarded?
>>24758218the American education system is better than the yuro one
>>24760269you don't really think they sailed right across the atlantic do you?
>>24759258There was no real Mongol empire. The Mongols were good at conquering territory, but establishing a state? Not so much. Their "empire" broke up immediately into different "empires" of their own like the Yuan Dynasty, which was just basically China the same as before but with different rulers.
>>24759596>We do not all share a common ancestry.Have you heard of mitochondrial Eve?
>>24760438They didn't but they sure as fuck didnt stick close to shore. Going from Norway to Iceland to Greenland and Greenland to Canada is a long seafaring trip over open ocean in each leg. There's no sticking to shore crossing the north sea, this isnt even counting how dangerous that sea is on its own. Consider yourself deboonked
>>24760445There was no real Roman Empire, just a bunch of Roman provinces.
>>24760520>There was no real Roman EmpireOf course there was, there were Roman emperors for hundreds of years. The Mongols by contrast fell apart into separate territories as soon as Kublai died.
>>24753390>>24753401>>24753287>>24753284>but it doesn't do a good job at explaining why European cultures suddenly started dominatingExactly.People want to point at one simple thing (like the printing press) when it was a combination of multiple social, economic, and genetic factors combining to put Europe on the trajectory to world domination. Yes, the movable type Gutenberg press triggered the printing revolution, but why did that invention appear when it did?Western Europe evolved its unique mating and marriage pattern throughout the middle ages(beginning as early as the 4th century). Cousin marriage was discouraged and the nuclear family was promoted. Gradually, outbreeding became the dominant mating pattern and nuclear family the dominant social organization. These are deep changes and the mating change in particular would take a few centuries to be reflected in populations.Despite having a thousand years or more with classical greek literature, it wasn't Muslims who developed empiricism, it started with (northern) Italians and spread through Europe. Italians and Dutch on opposite ends of the continent, both began evolving proto-capitalist approaches to trade and commerce during the 15th century, which spread throughout as feudalism collapsed and gave way to an economically strong middle class oriented around nuclear families.It was in that environment, with dramatically increasing demand for trade and literature especially, that the Gutenberg press emerged.Europeans produced countless inventions during the ensuing information and scientific revolutions.
>>24760625Right. You can also contrast the influence of Roman civilization on modern day culture (a lot) with the mongols (almost nothing)
>>24760625>it was short-lived therefore it didn't exist
