>the ideal state is moneyless communism where women are communal breeding sows and children are property of the nation and all men live together in faux monastic order but never get horny and there is a divinely mandated ruling class but they dont own anything but will never attempt to use their power to get more than their fair share because they're so good and just and the prize for valor in combat is the permission to kiss boysWas he right?
>>24757837The proles should live like that, yes.And so should the middle managers, with /us/ ruling from the shadows.
I just realized that Huxley's dystopia is Plato's state taken to it's logical conclusion
>>24757837>noooo you can't just watch tragedies or you'll copy the characters and start crying when people you love die!Plato was a transhumanist who wanted people to live as logical robots devoid of passion. As a ethical/political philosopher he is frankly not worth anything.
>>24757996You shouldn't be watching Euripideses tragedies because they are degenerate slop paid for by wannabe tyrants.
>>24757837Damn, I guess it isn't just Christianity but also Plato that redditors might honestly not understand. Either that or it has to be the most disingenuous midwit alive. Grim future for /lit/ nonetheless
>>24757837Many ancient Greek states actually looked like thisThey went through the same progression as we did, starting with the age of the heroes and Gods, followed by the age of the nobilities, followed by the age of liberalism, followed by the age of tyranny, followed by the age of socialism.Macedonia stayed in the age of feudalism forever, that's why they ended up conquering the rest of Greece. Then they conquered degenerate Persia and degenerate Egypt.
>>24757837>the ideal stateIs like four huts >the republicAn invention for the purpose of conquest. Hence the parody of Sparta.
>>24758306You'd be surprised how often OPs actually do know better. It's probably just a bait thread out of boredom.
>>24758308>followed by the age of tyranny, followed by the age of socialism.Those are the other way around. Tyranny follows democracy, the time where freedom is the highest good. Liberalism is more akin to Plato's oligarchy where money is the highest good.The would be tyrants of this age would be trannies, because those are the ones crazed by the pursuit pleasure.
>>24757837he was but people just werent ready for it
>>24758306The only thing there is to “understand” in Christianity are the layered copes made to reconcile the contradictions of books written by schizophrenic desert-dwellers. Call them apologia, if you’re so generous. Also, OP is right on Plato, which is why you didn’t say anything.
>>24757837yes
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>>24757837He actually describes the ideal state as simple idyllic living and eating roast chestnuts and stuff but then his dumbass interlocutors were like "UH SOCRATES THAT SHIT IS MAD GAY TALK ABOUT A REAL CITY" because they're dumb and even though he explicitly states that they're really talking about the soul they don't get it.
>>24758463amateur ragebait, how sad; here is my reply so that you don't become so crestfallen that only a darkmatter2525-esque meme is your only acknowledgment.
>>24757837Weird thing about the word ideal is it isn't also the word real.
>>24757960Not it isn't. In A Brave New World everything serves epithumia (bodily pleasure and safety). It is a very logical society but also one that sees no "good" outside hedonistic pleasure. It's in a way a total inversion of Plato.Also, the ideal city is introduced to explain the role of justice in the soul.
>>24757996>Plato >The progenitor of the erotic ascent>Devoid of passion This thread is full of people who haven't read Plato or who has Plato soar straight over their heads.
>>24760642We all know this, its just larp.
