Post literature that dismantles christcuckery. I've already read everything by Nietzsche.
>>24758422The bible
>>24758422Aleo, read Plato and realize kikes plagiarized him and stuck a Jewish middle man into the mix to shame and guilt trip followers into slave morality submission
>>24758422Im sorry your father made you go to church on Sundays
>>24758422Leftist progressive managerial globalist liberalism is not Christianity btw.
>christcuck christcuck christcuck
>>24758467>Uhmm, aaaactually, any concrete, real-world application of my beliefs is of no importance. What really counts is the imaginary version I carry around in my head.Are you serious?
>>24758422how is forgiveness any different from Amor Fati and abandoning ressentiment?
>>24758467>Globalist liberalism>LeftistYou don't know what either of those things mean
>>24758578americans are strange schizophrenic creatures that navigate the world with no rhyme nor reason. they really do believe that liberal = socialist/communist for some strange reason.
>>24758535Its not imaginary. Read a book. Oh wait, no one reads here.
>>24758583Both came from the French Revolution so they're not totally off the mark
>>24758591Yes, they are. Communism is authoritarian.
>>24758583>t. my country had concentration camps during COVID and I didn't do anything about it
>>24758682there was no such thing in norway, but go off i guess.
>>24758697>norwayLol
>>24758728concession accepted.
>>24758603Liberalism can be authoritarian too. Look at the modern world.
>>24758574Yeah this is actually a good point. Maybe you don't have to make a big deal of it, but wouldn't Nietzsche approve of letting go of your grievances and moving on? Isn't holding onto a grudge slave morality?
>>24758732My concession was that you're from a laughably insignificant country. Glad you accept it.
>>24758737The modern left is not meaningfully liberal and hasn't been for quite awhile.One reason commies constantly redefine words and lie about absolutely everything all the time is to trick and manipulate liberals.>Transgender "rights">Womens' "rights">"Asylum Seekers">"It's a private company they are free to ban anyone they want">"Suspending Jimmy Kimmel for blatantly lying on air is the end of Free Speech">Trump will "End Democracy">Charlie Kirk was a fascist>What about "Due Process" (for state-sponsored Venezuelan drug smugglers in international waters intending to violate US borders)>Public transit is necessary otherwise you're eliminating people's right to not need a car to travel. (fucking seriously)So much partisan, authoritarian, and even some outright treasonous activity and positions are all couched in liberal rhetoric. This is to keep the real liberals (many of whom are weak-willed academics and researchers) hypnotized and under Party control.>>24758422Darwin>>24758739True, also, "the Christian concept of forgiveness is weakness" is a crude, midwit take.Forgiveness is good for the soul but it absolutely doesn't mean you should only ever be a pushover.
>>24758803Well i don't drive so I see a need for the last one
>>24758747NTA but Norway is the only country that has produced writers of substance in the past 30 years
>>24758587>"Its not imaginary.">Specifically defined here as relating to the real-world applications of a belief system>âRead a book."Did you rehearse this response in your head before attempting to spout off a vague and unfalsifiable rebuke? I think you should have.
>>24758583>americans are strange schizophrenic creatures that navigate the world with no rhyme nor reason. they really do believe that liberal = socialist/communist for some strange reason.Liberals have been manipulated and dominated by socialists and communists. Most American "actual" liberals with awareness and a backbone are MAGA. The rest are corrupted/coerced or brainwashed by commies using liberal rhetoric, dishonestly.But some of it has to do with the American political system, which was (somewhat fanatically) designed to try and thwart motivated factions from being too powerful. This settled into a 2 party system where each party is a coalition of multiple individual factions. The American system encourages factions to work out their differences within the party before entering the arena.The "right" has been dominated by religiously-driven Christians for a long time. "TradCon" or "Traditional Conservative" is nearly synonymous with traditionally christian family values and morality. This position is NOT inherently liberal, it's inherently conservative and only incidentally liberal by accident (in that conservation of American Culture means conservation of liberal values).So liberals (real liberals) often tended to oppose conservatives. Socialists ALSO opposed conservatives. So liberals and socialists often found themselves sharing the same political party.
>>24758803>Trump will "End Democracy">Charlie Kirk was a fascistBoth true
>>24758803>What about "Due Process" (for state-sponsored Venezuelan drug smugglers in international waters intending to violate US borders)Yes. Whats wrong with that?
>>24758422Is there any greater high for a woman than being a young, grieving widow?
>>24758422the Essence of Christianity/Religion by Feuerbach.
>>24758422>Post literature that dismantles christcuckery.A lot of literature from the Enlightenment seems to be have already done this. Read anything that's secular whether that's Hume, Kant, and >>24758803 and you will have a mind free from religio-tardism
>>24759027The Enlightment was a midtake. We need a "medieval restoration".
>>24759029>lets revert to feudalism to own the libs!No
>>24759027Hume is debatable but Kant was definitely religious, his philosophy was just challenging to the traditional institution at the time
>>24759031Why not? The masses are stupid. The end of the world will happen otherwise.
Why is she so happy? She seems happy as a clam and relieved. I thought a widow who loved her husband would be sad like two weeks after his death.
>>24758827Nah I just said it to generate a (you) and it looks like it worked. You can now go back to living your irrelevant third world life now.
>>24758583The red scare really fucked american politics so now anyone who is slightly left of you is suddenly an evil communist who wants to destroy america and eat your children
>>24758422
>>24758574Ressentiment specifically refers to feelings of envy and the inversion of values. Forgiveness in a Christian context is act of ressentiment because it turns the inability to take revenge into a virtue. Revenge itself is also an act of reasentiment because itâs caused by feelings of abuse Christians feel toward the powerful. Basically, a Christian is a slave moralist no matter what they do, while the strong take revenge and forgive at will due to their great health.
>>24758422>Nietzsche>dismantling anythingKek'd
>>24758535>real world application>being a ZOG puppet is totally in the Bible brooo!!
>>24759091>Revenge is ressentiment unless your inner feelings make it not ressentiment somehowSo intentions matter? So... slave morality? This is wrong. Revenge is ressentiment. It's a painful and powerless reaction to the inability to change the past by the weak.
>>24758682>muh vaxx that was supposed to kill everyone who took it within 5 years and ended up killing no one
>>24759120Who said anything about it killing people? Still though, you were cool with signing away your legal right to sue in order to get injected with something in a high school gym? Also:>it totally didn't leak from a lab>it's totally way worse than the flu>it has magically gone away now so you can memoryhole all the stuff we said about it being highly dangerous, locking everyone down, and making you take a shotLol
>>24759058it's what happens when you can forgive someone when you realize we all make mistakes. the dumbass shooter kid ruined his own life trying to ruin hers and there isn't anything thats going to change the past. charlie is dead and presumably in Heaven while his kids and wife are being loved and cared for and the shooter awaits the death penalty with nothing but regret and anguish. neitzche died malding and insane trying to disprove ChristChrist wins everytime gg ez
>>24758422She "forgives him" because she knows she can profit massively from his death. American Protestants and Republicans are almost as far from Christianity as you can possibly be. This really isn't that difficult to grasp.
>>24759082>le science debunks le religionThis is how 14-year-olds think, anon.
>>24758747Every country is laughably insignificant.>my daddy is better than your daddy!!Literally the lowest IQ pride you can feel. Actually embarrassing to see this even on /lit/.
>>24758422a clockwork orange. the reason the movie omits the ending is because kubrick didn't believe people magically become reformed. burgess wrote the book as cope for his wife's rape and having conflict with his own catholic values of forgiveness.
>>24758535>concrete, real-world application of my beliefsYou mean the 1500 years of Christendom?
>>24759329Congratulations, you're a midwit that misunderstood Schopenhauer, the guy that repeatedly talked about 'German genius'.
>>24759347Extremely ironic that you say *I* misunderstood Schopenhauer. The fact that you talk about "insignificant countries" means you think other countries, most likely yours, are "more significant", which is exactly the cheap, low form of pride Schopenhauer mocked in that quote from Parerga und Paralipomena. People with any real talent or personality don't need to hide behind a flag; only those with nothing else going on cling to a nation to feel better about themselves. When he praised German thinkers and culture like Kant and Goethe and talked about German philosophy, he was pointing out where good ideas came from, not giving you or anyone else a free pass to wave your country's name around like it means something. He mocked chauvinism and called patriotism "a kind of superstition". If you think "German genius" makes Schopenhauer some proto-nationalist cheerleader, you just proved his point.
>>24759347>>24759370Oh, and Schopenhauer, unlike the mindless patriot, praised individual excellence wherever he saw it, not just Germans: Plato, Aristotle, the Stoics, Hume, Locke, Berkeley, Shakespeare, Voltaire, Indian philosophy, Italian music, etc.
>>24758501>jew jew jew
>>24759385Chuds stole that from pic-related.
>>24759099Christianity is all about being a Jewish slave
>>24758422>BAP thread>christcuck threadWe need a Guenon thread and it's gonna be COVID all over again.
>don't get mad>don't panic>don't riot>forgive and forget>maintain the status quo at all costs"Religion is the opiate of the masses"
and then everyone clappedhad she said that twenty years later I could believe her, but two weeks later it's really gross. embarrassing woman moment
>>24758942Both are observably false.>>24758951Because the smuggler boats that were bombed received all the legal process they were due. Complaining about due process is fundamentally dishonest. The point is to shift the debate and give "liberals" a pointless academic bone to chew on, tricking them into arguing about the theoretical importance of due process while ignoring all the actually relevant facts of the matter. 1. The purpose of the constitution and most important designated role of government is protecting the people of the United States from foreign threats and influence.2. The President (and subsequently executive branch) is in charge of the military and national security. It is their responsibility to identify threats and take appropriate action.3. US intelligence services positively identified state-sponsored Venezuelan smugglers in international waters enroute to violate US borders with a payload of drugs meant to harm Americans.4. The President authorized use of lethal military force to stop the foreign threat.5. That's it. Steps 3 and 4 satisfy the demands of "due process."Now, of course if the smugglers had surrendered, had been detained and held in US custody, they would not be summarily executed. That would be gross violation of due process (at least). But there's no obligation for the US military to ONLY arrest and detain smugglers while in international waters. They are engaged in live border defense. It's not a courtroom. "Smart (aka dumb) liberals" are tricked and manipulated into forgetting these basic facts. Liberals reason themselves out of common sense.
>>24759058I'm sure she's not happy all the time.You only see her when she's in public, engaged with people.When you're old enough to attend a funeral with people you knew and loved, you'll discover that a perpetual, all-encompassing grief is not natural or healthy. What actually happens is that you go through periods of intense sadness, periods of gloom and melancholy, but also periods of catharsis and bonding with your surviving loved ones with joy and laughter. You don't stop living your life. You don't have to put on a fake performance of being sad and mournful 100% of the time in public.
My diary desu
>>24759430That looks like a wheel of truth to me. At least 4 of those 6 replies are valid retorts more often than not.
>>24759951>look at me I'm edgybut really, look at the two options:Christianity: discipline yourself to bear suffering so you can focus on righteous purpose.Marxism: agitate people to feel bitter, resentful and angry even if they aren't actually suffering.
>>24760075
>>24760075very good goy
>>24758422Christian demographics is the only thing you need to look up. The target audience is a shit heap of miscegenated biomass and if you're White you know that they'll always pander to the third world over you and your interests mean nothing to them.
>>24760095>>24760170Funny seeing the complete lack of self-awareness in Nietzsche peuds posting kneejerk shitposts.
>>24760186You'll never have a pagan state, nigger
>>24759933As opposed to being a BBC slave yourself
>>24759344>collapse of Rome>centuries of nothing>subordination of national powers to funny hat jew worship>centuries of getting asses kicked by islam>barely survived the mongols due to random chance>massive wars wiping out major segments of the population over disagreements in jew worship>infests new world with mind virus leading to miscegenation or weird puritanical cultureless capitalism>governance becomes corrupt and effete under the pretense of divine right>brief resurgence of White world culture/power in 19th century with French Revolution and Napoleon kicking over the church and trailblazing the concept of nationhood>christian sentiment retreats into secular liberalism/marxism (you are here)
>>24760406brainwashed post
>>24760519Nah
>>24758422hahah
>>24760406What learning history from william luther pierce reuploads on bitchute and vargâs tweets does to a mf
>>24758433Didnât this dude edit Uncle Tedâs writings?
>>24760658Nah
poltards gobble up vomitted up ideas because they cannot think for themselves>>24760406let me guess, you 'learned' all that from some infographic on pol. you know nothing, you parrot ignorance and make the world worse by propagating these retarded ideas to other gullible youths. I pray you realize the sheer ignorance you are drowning in
>>24760406What RedditAtheism does to a midwit>But the true academic study of the Medieval Period really only began in the twentieth century and by then the moralising, value judgements and biased sectarian polemic of eighteenth and nineteenth century historiography had been replaced by the far more objective, neutral and careful traditions that began with Leopold von Ranke and were developed by Marc Bloch and his successors. Value-laden terms like âthe Dark Agesâ began to fall from favour and modern historians now tend to avoid them, even though they linger in common parlance.>Far from being a period of technical stagnation, even the very early medieval period saw agrarian and technological innovation that transformed western and northern Europe economically and culturally. Rather than being a period of total Popish theocracy, the near constant tension and regular open conflict between Church and State meant the Church actually spent most of the period trying to extract itself from secular domination. It also became increasingly clear that the rise of universities, of communal republics and parliaments and of complex systems of law and governance meant that many institutions that are central to the modern world have their origins in the Medieval world rather than the more remote and rather alien Classical period.>And one of the key nineteenth century myths that the new medieval history specialists debunked was the idea that the Church suppressed or restricted inquiry into the natural and physical cosmos, stifling proto-science until the âyoke of the churchâ was thrown off in the âRenaissanceâ. Working on opposite sides of the Atlantic, Pierre Duhem (1861-1916) and Lynn Thorndike (1882-1965) both came to the conclusion that the idea of the Medieval Period as one of scientific stagnation until the âRenaissanceâ and the Scientific Revolution of the sixteenth century was nonsense and that the revival of natural philosophy not only began as far back as the eleventh century, but the later medieval proto-scientific tradition laid the essential foundations of the later true revolution. This is now totally accepted by all modern historians of science.
>>24759238>nothing but regretcitation neededalso, charlie is definitely not in heaven (if it exists) and his kids and wife are in fact NOT being loved and cared for by their husband and father, he's dead. what kind of high horse christian cope is this? isn't the whole point not to execute the shooter then?
>>24760008your unnerving trust into for the government is inspiring. what was the threat from a boat that carried 12 people allegedly smuggling drugs while being tracked on their way to Trinidad. how is it live border defense in international waters? you sure this is not just the administration coaxing a response from venezuela to justify military action against one of two states in the americas that refuses sumbission to US hegemony in the region? your entire notion works only if you give unwavering, questionless trust for the current presidency and the cabinet he assembled, which they don't deserve given their track record
>forgiveness bad>just perpetuate a cycle of endless chud violence
>>24762000>what was the threat from a boat that carried 12 people allegedly smuggling drugsThe drugs.And the (probably armed) TdA cartel members.>how is it live border defense in international watersBecause it's outside US borders.> you sure this is not just the administration coaxing a response from venezuela Yes.> your entire notion works only if you give unwavering, questionless trust for the current presidency and the cabinet he assembledWrong. It's called stochastic deterrence and is an exercise of US sovereignty. The concept is easy to understand when you aren't a libtard with a head crammed full of s.y, hormones and fake news.
>>24758422lol did she actually say this
>>24760695Nah>>24760740Walltexted reflex mostly focused on complaining about lack of technical progress (something I didnât mention) as conceptual anathema to the fact that the church was actually mostly trying to undermine the national powers (something I did mention extensively.)
>>24758422I mean Critique of Pure Reason is probably better as an actual critique of Christianity than Nietzsche in as much as Nietzsche already assumes God is already dead. Kant is a Christian and he does try to smuggle god back in, similar to Descartes, but the CoPR is essentially why western philosophy stopped trying to prove God (Whitehead being one of the main deviations) and itâs really hard to see any way for demonstrating the existence of God, I suppose if you really wanted to go all the way you would next need to do a hermeneutical of the Bible and look at the history of religions in general, in order to bring out contradictions within Christianity, but I think most philosophers have just come to conclude that modern scientific advances and the Kantiam shift have essentially rendered Christianity a non-question for philosophy. If you want more critiques of Christianity similar to Nietzsche though, absolutely read Heidegger, also Lacan is good for understanding the possible origins of religions, I donât really know of any analytic philosophers who really discuss Christianity much unfortunately.
>>24758422Whatever happened to the Charleses, either of the hammer and the great, the Olgas of Kiev, Cromwells, Savonarolas, and Pope Juliuses, as well as those like John Brown? Even Buddhism has a history of violence, which is more often than not overlooked, why is Christianity, of all denominations, so pussified? And don't think that this applies only to Christianity, but also to Atheists, neopagans, Wiccans, and, to an extent, Jews.
>>24758422none does. Truth cannot be dismantled, and I've heard every argument against Christianity, not a single one is compelling
>>24758574Nietzsche's amor fati is the opposite of Christian forgiveness. It is directed at the self, forgiving the self for being what it is, rather than forgiving one's neighbor or enemy. For example, in TSZ, he says to warrior-people: hatred and envy are in your heart, but rather than be ashamed of this, embrace it and wage your war, but specifically your personal war against a personal enemy rather than someone else's. This is the essence of his message with amor fati. It is not all that different from Crowley's do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
>>24758422>control + f- death sentence0 resultsThe kid still has the death penalty looming over him so her forgiveness is entirely performative and means nothing substantial.
>>24758422fwiw any religion in any massive stadium setting is embarrassing. If the Pope comes to the US and says Mass in a stadium, I'll likely skip
>>24759058Ignore all these fawning retards. The bitch is clearly a gold digger who hit the jack pot with his death. Honestly what sort of women do you think an uggo grifter like Charlie Kirk would attract?
>>24762945>i know its true because fox news told me so, i'm also somehow bolting trannies onto this
YWNBAW
There isnât any. Every single argument against Christianity avoids real argumentation or depends on strawmen. There are no exceptions.
>>24765506and the only real christianity is in your head, right?
>>24765522> strawman Right on cue
>>24758422The Portable Jung by Joseph Campbell
>>24765559>>24758422Actually, now that you've read Nietzsche Jung is all the more ready for you he responds to his ideas largely as well.
>>24758422If Catholics read the Bible they wouldn't be Catholic
>>24758465Every single time All of these militant atheists with a chip on their shoulders against Christianity always grew up in loving homes with supportive families that forced them to attend church growing up and they took it personally
>>24765562The biblical corpus was codified by Catholics. Protestants think people should worship a foreign country and send them all the money so they can kill children because Prots have a stupid theological reading of the Bible.
Regardless of Erika Kirk, forgiving someone in the Christian sense is a private spiritual matter, like prayer. Announcing it publicly especially if >you're a victim of evil>you live in a country that has a broken justice system will achieve little and obviously enrage a lot of people. Forgiveness is one half of the picture and the other half is punishment and justice. Both are core Christian concepts, and both can coexist in synergy. You can personally forgive someone for wrongdoing, and they can still rot in jail for the rest of their life or suffer prompt capital punishment. Inner, private forgiveness does not contradict law and justice. There is no dichotomy. A Christian nation can wage 'just war', as it has happened many times in history. Further, Christian nations have also waged expanionist wars like in the case of the Russian Empire under Peter the Great, because he wanted access to the Baltic Sea.Shills prey on the ignorant and will have you believe that comprehensive self-destruction on a societal level, instead of a strong and healthy nation, is supposedly the Christian ideal. Yeah, "Christianity is about being a weakling and creating a hell on Earth". The reason I'm bringing this up is to counter these ignorant bumper sticker blasphemies that get incessantly spammed on every board. How many wars did the Christian Byzantine Empire fight against the invaders from the East? The use of force, military might and destroying the enemy in war is allowed and required in Christianity, and you don't have to be Orthodox to reach those conclusions, there's enough scriptural support: https://youtu.be/11k8z2YrByk What's also allowed is capital punishment in the justice system. Capital punishment is a proven deterrent against evil, and it can also protect potential victims. Capital punishment and just war theory are interlinked, like a double-edged sword, one side cuts inward, the other cuts outward. A grieving widow has the full right to ask for the death penalty for the murderer of her husband, maybe it can even be argued that she has a duty to call for it.Currently, there is a problem in popular Western culture, some people who are nominally Christian will hide their cowardice behind public forgiveness, because they're too weak to seek justice and punishment, which can be especially infuriating if there's the context of widespread injustice and even anarcho tyranny. If you understand Church history, if you know that Orthodoxy is the unchanged root of Christianity, original and full, you can only defend American Protestant "Christians" nominally. In conclusion, automatic forgiveness, absolute pacifism, which can lead to the spreading of evil because you're not stopping evil, is not an Orthodox Christian virtue and never has been. There is no place for tolerance of lawlessness in Christianity. Therefore, no Christian is required to defend alleged public performances of "forgiveness" whenever it pops up.
>>24758465My dad is an even bigger fedora tipper than I am
>>24766003>SymphoniaInterestingly there's not a lot of information out there on this subject, the 'policies' or stances of specific Orthodox churches during various wars, 'just war' etc. Apparently it depends on the circumstances, sometimes war is justified as defensive, other times the church advocates for peace. The relationship and dialogue between orthodox church and state is briefly hinted at in a historical documentary here and there but if you aren't looking for it you wouldn't know it exists almost, yet it's so important.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonia_%28theology%29https://orthochristian.com/62799.htmlhttps://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-law-and-religion/article/abs/churchstate-symphonia-its-historical-development-and-its-applications-by-the-russian-orthodox-church/93B4C1ADB2B7EB10FBB29ADD321FE9F6https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoglav_Synodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xqN1ZkI_ww
>>24765506What do you count as real argumentation? Do all the arguments based on historical, archaeological, philosophical, biblical, or moral grounds just not count?
>>24766003Sounds like a bunch of statist cope desu
>>24767021Anything else or is that all you got out of that post?
>>24758422>NOOOOO DONT FORGIVE ENEMIES! Be a resentful, weak faggot like me!
>>24767644do you forgive trannies and epstein?
>>24758591John Locke came from the French Revolution? The American Revolution came from the French Revolution?
>>24766003what's the evidence for forgiveness being spiritual matter, with there still being physical punishment? Any historical examples?I heard this claim before about Erika's forgiveness, but I don't know enough history to know if it's a cope claim, or actually has a body of history to it.
>>24758591>Both came from the French Revolution
>>24767667"Forgiveness" is not something that the criminal justice is concerned with, especially in the case of punishing murder. The job of the judge and jury is not to forgive a murderer and let him go free, I don't even understand your contention, the principal person that can forgive the murderer is in no condition to do so, on account of him being dead.>one cannot be more compassionate than Christ Himself. God has the energy of love, but He also radiates justice and the two are not in dialectical tension (Matt. 12:18) and, âEvil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the Lord understand allâ (Prov. 28:5).>God Himself ordained civil government to be a restraint on the wickedness of men, and part of that ordination includes the death penalty. In Genesis 9:6, God states that âwhoever sheds manâs blood,â deserves to have his blood shed because he has defaced the image of God.I'm making a holistic case about justice and punishment, and I'm arguing that Christianity allows and sometimes requires legal lethal force, up to the ultimate form of violence - war. Why, because it counters and disproves the never ending torrent of lies and slander that Christianity is about absolute weakness, and the insane reduction of it to some degrading sexual fetish; ad nauseam.The abolition of the death penalty is a modern invention. If you want to seriously look into this, here are biblical, theological, historical, sociological and utilitarian arguments. I'm not going to rewrite and paraphrase everything I wrote.https://orthochristian.com/125070.htmlhttps://youtu.be/MIZBJk46xrIhttps://youtu.be/Ar14X29FuQ8https://youtu.be/uj4thoTDtA4https://youtu.be/6fsjo4jry9Y
>>24767021that's a good question, for another time
>>24758803>Mindbroken by trains and busseskek
>>24758422Reminds me of this:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michigan-church-shooting-survivor-letter/>Michigan church shooting survivor says she looked gunman who killed her father in the eyes: "I forgave him right there"Pure cuckoldry retardation. A schizo psycho shot up your church and killed your dad and you looked him in the eyes and forgave him? Shut the fuck up. This kinda shit is so stupid
>>24768447The solution is simple, start imprisoning any survivor who says this.
>>24761998>also, charlie is definitely not in heaven (if it exists)please explain why you think he isnt in heaven.
>>24768461He made it his life's mission to sew divisiveness and hate in order to profit off it
