Why are so many atheists angry with the Christian god specifically?If you hear someone slandering Mohammed, or the Buddha, they're almost always a Christian, but if you hear someone slandering the Christian god, they're almost certainly an atheist.
>>24758901What book are you trying to discuss here?
>>24758915Chicken Soup for the Soul
Because you're on an English speaking website on the English speaking part of the internet where most users will come from English speaking countries where Christianity was historically dominant and in some ways still is
>>24758933I understand, but there seems to be noticeable difference between the way an atheist Arab talks of Mohammed, and an atheist westerner speaks of the Christian god
>>24758901Because they’re jewish
>>24758953Because people in the middle east still take their religion seriously unlike in the west where the emaciated corpse of Christianity is basically just a vehicle for whatever your political beliefs are.
>/lit/ - LiteratureI don't know, man. I can't imagine why someone from a christian society who became an atheist would be mostly concerned with christianity instead of other religions that they probably never encountered in their life. It's quite a mystery.
>>24758901flood 4chan with muzzies or woo buddhas, and they'll get the same treatment as christkikes
>>247589011. I am constantly surrounded by Christians, Christian influences, and Christian teachings. I have experienced myself bad things that have happened to me mentally because of Christianity. I have seen bad things happen firsthand to other people because of Christianity. I am not directly involved with any other religion.2. Christians are rarely, if at all, persecuted today. Jews have obviously been persecuted repeatedly even if I believe Zionists tend to exaggerate the current persecution of Western Jews. Muslims, obviously, have been put underneath the boot of the Western world where we are constantly taught they are evil and a disgrace from the movies we watch to our politicians to our textbooks. It would be wrong of me to attack the Muslim religion when many of its people are in dire strait. Only when everything is taken care of, can we start intellectual conversations.3. Eastern religions rarely start shit so I don't care, even if I am not fond of India.4. I believe all these religions are bullshit and the Abrahamic religions to be the most harmful. All 3 of them I despise. And yes, most likely, I would much much rather live in a Christian society than a Muslim one (with all other variables held constant like economic policies).
>>24758967the emaciated corpse of Christ lets you understand that even the perfect God himself was killed and spit on every step of his perfect life and so you can expect the same in your imperfect one. only difference being that God chose to die as a graceful sacrifice for the very same people that killed him.Muhammed was an Arab Warlord knockoff prophet which is why murder and invasion encapsulates that worldly pedophilic religion where you have to dance around a meteorite in the Arab desert for your deathwish to come true. if a muslim can rationalize himself good enough he is allowed in to Heaven LMAO
>>24759233>Christians are rarely, if at all, persecuted today.are you blind
>>24759251>Even an eternal all powerful being died for muh sinsOh shut up, you stupid faggot. Your entire religion is made up of adhoc re-interpetations of Jewish texts because a bunch of rebellious Jews decided that their teacher was actually God in the flesh and that hes still alive(but also died for their sins). And they spent centuries after trying to make it all make sense using neoplatonist philosophy. There is literally no reason to subscribe to this confused and worthless worldview if you werent raised in it.
As someone who grew up in a Chinese folk religion/Buddhist family, I don't understand why people keep on asking this question when the answer is obvious?They all have a Jesus shaped chip on their shoulder as people born in the West?
>>24758953Go watch apostate prophet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5NfsJJcY20Granted, he just reports the facts but he does so in a mocking way
>>24759300Not an arab, hes some turk raised in berlin. Just one of the many ex-muslims grifters that make a living from christcuck paypigs
>>24758901Atheism, in the form it's in today, has its origins in the boomer mindset developed during the mid-to-late 20th century. Its aims and methods, therefore, dovetail with common boomer beliefs about capitalism and culture at the time. It's why the big atheists, the Dawkins and Fry-type people, mainly utilized bashing of the "silliness" of Christian culture: because to them, atheism was really about fighting against the image of rich western countries in the 1950s. Fighting against their hated "conservative" parents, essentially. Same thing you saw with the anti-war stuff in the 60s, or the memetic rise of India as a sort of guru-haven where religion isn't just mystically viable, it's just plain cool, man! Same reason the butt of every joke since 1981 has been a cardboard cutout of one of those "concerned parent" conservative women. You know the ones. I have no problem with all that, hell, it's what killed atheism in the 21st century. You take a page out of the God Delusion and make it about Islam, you just committed a serious crime over there in the place the God Delusion comes from. Is there no humor or ridicule to mine out of Islam? Of course there is, but doing so misses the point of modern atheism entirely.It was never about God or spirituality or whatever. It was just another war waged by an army of boomers against the world those boomers grew up in. It had everything to do with "look how silly those people are in their safe, rich suburbs nestled away in the safe, rich global west". You can't keep at that anymore, not when the safe, rich global west is gone. New Athiesm is out of touch these days, where the "silly" 50s looks to an increasing number of people like a miniature golden age we as a people have retreated from. The safety of the west is gone, as is its cultural viability and economic future. The only options for progressive thought in the current zeitgeist here is to embrace either further self-righteous boomer-inspired deconstruction or foreign cultures. With choices like those, no wonder young people are choosing "none of the above" in droves.I'm in my 20s. You'd be shocked how many people my age are choosing to go to church these days out of their own free will. Maybe the old cliche was right. Maybe nature is healing.
>>24758901I don't hate things that don't exist. I do hate pretentious pseud faggots like (you) who use things that don't exist as justification for their moralfaggotry. There's a difference.
>>24759217internet buddhists are worse than e-christians.
>>24759398>I do hate pretentious pseud faggots like (you) who use things that don't exist as justification for their moralfaggotry. Morality in an atheistic/materialistic framework is quite literally making "something" out of absolutely nothing.
>>24758901Because we live in the west you fucking retard?>>24758953It’s hilarious what an impotent little shrimp boner christians get for the violence of muds shutting their atheists up for fear of being chopped to pieces. Truly the prince of peace really wanted you to instill terror in anyone who doesn’t believe in His Kikeness and you, poor downtrodded christkike, cry at night over the impudence freedom of expression has across the west. How dare they draw cartoons of your kike when people fear drawing mohammed the pedo? Aboobloohoo.
>>24758901>Be atheist because you're le progressive>Realize you were got fucked by Jews in your teens>Go through the 5 stages of grief>Go back to your Christian roots>Realize that Christianity was a Jewish psyop to begin with>Go through the 5 stages of grief AGAINI FUCKING HATE JEWS
>>24758901He's a sexist racist pig
Athiest rage is truly something to behold. Non-Christians living in Christian countries should not be allowed to own firearms, for their safety as well as the safety of others. Don't want people shooting up their local community center cuz muh oppression and all that.
>>24760312All religions made something out of nothing. Try understanding the atheist point of view better. Your “objective” morality is made up to me
>>24760359There are no more Christian countries in the west. If you want to go to a Christian country you can move to sub Saharan africa.
>>24760343Ive noticed this as well. Christians are literally more mad at muslims for not tolerating blapshemy than they are at blashpemy against their own beliefs. They seem to suffer cognitive dissonance between their liberal beliefs and crusader larping.
>>24760343You sound like a tranny
>>24760552Christcucks are spiritual trannies
the easiest way to get someone very mad at you is to tell them what they should or shouldn't do. get between someone and what they want and they get extremely mad. I've noticed this for years, the moment you bring up standards for behavior, people flip out. nothing else gets folks endlessly mad, and I find that very interesting.
>>24758901>he thinks Mohammed and Buddha are godsChristard confirmed.
>>24760500What reductive logic are you using to weasel yourself into that conclusion?
>>24758901Because they serve Satan (wittingly or not) and Jesus Christ is King.>>24758954>also this
>>24760778In Europe and the Anglo sphere and even to a lesser extent Latin america , real belief in Christianity is falling by the day. Thats not reductive logic that's observable reality.
>>24760432>Try understanding the atheist point of view better.It's incoherent, unironically a feels > real argument.
are you still in 2009 or something? these people still exist, sure, but they are far less prevalent than they used to. almost no atheist is raving about "sky daddy" and "flying spaghetti monster" and other cringe retarded shit anymore
>>24761026That's because they won the argument. You're just a cultist now.
>>24758901No one is angry “at God” (whatever that means), they’re angry at the lawmakers who use the Bible in order to justify shit like forcing women to carry pregnancies to term or ethically cleansing Palestinians.
>>24760598this is the real reason why people hate vegans
>>24761020Your characterization is insincere and you know it. What this triggering you such that you can’t activate your empathy?
Abrahamic freaks are cattle, without exception. They refuse to use reason, free thought, applied investigation and deviation from authority. They are not completely human. More akin to NPCs.
>>24760896Maybe among older people, all I'm seeing in the western country I live in is an uptick in younger people going to church.Problem solved, I guess.
>>24759217It's the proselytizing absolutely. Why the fuck are these faggots on our pornography anime boobs website instead of making their own puritan version? OH RIGHT THEY'RE FUCKING LARPING NIGGERS
>>24761344An up tick of .5% means nothing. Zoomers are still by and large the most secular age group.
>>24761344Religion in the west has been in an overall downtrend for 200 years with small upticks of religiosity after crises and depressions. The early 00s were alot more religious than the 2010s(new atheism), despite the 90s being less religious than the 00s. Right now there is a pendelum swing to conservativism/far right over things like immigration but it wont change the fact that religious decline is inevitable. Turns out if you exclude religion meaningfully from education, courts, and politics it just dies out. Who wouldve thought?
>>24761504>Turns out if you exclude religion meaningfully from education, courts, and politics it just dies out.If that were true, it'd already have died. Read about the Enlightenment.>Religion in the west has been in an overall downtrend for 200 years with small upticks of religiosity after crises and depressions.The Roman Empire had been in an overall stable state for 500 years with small upticks of instability after crises and depressions until suddenly it wasn't. Trends continue until they don't, and culture changes every now and then. Will it be instant? No, but don't expect the deaths of any of the major religions anytime soon, no matter how much of an issue you personally have with Islam or Christianity or whatever.
>>24761444Huh? .5 in a year is huge.
>>24759384But people don't actually believe in God,. Young people that go to church go because they have a longing for community and greater purpose, they don't believe that Jesus physically rose from the dead, or that he cured lepers by touching them, or any of the other myriad of myths from both the new and old testament. Once you replace religious thinking with materialism, all you have left is a person that will follow a religion for material, or social benefits. If you are unhappy, you go to church where simply being near other people and engaging in the same rituals as them gives you comfort. All the religious figures from the past believed in the supernatural aspects of christianity in ernest. Today we simply cannot believe in things that we know aren't true in any way.
>>24761020If you want people to believe in God, then please provide material evidence for his existence. Have someone perform a miracle in front of a camera, while also being hooked on every diagnostic apparatus that we can find. If a man that has his optic nerves severed can suddenly see after being touched by a saint, and we can observe that his nerves got reconnected without any possible scientific explanation then I'll believe in your God.
there are lots of real, academic-like critiques, i'm certain; but more simply, the church has a long history of corruption and sexual abuse. it goes back 100s of years. in more recent years there are the megachurches, and an ignorant following.there's a lot to latch onto for any skeptics.
>>24761678Interesting opinion.>Young people that go to church go because they have a longing for community and greater purpose, they don't believe that Jesus physically rose from the dead, or that he cured lepers by touching them, or any of the other myriad of myths from both the new and old testament.This seems like a very bold thing to just blatantly assume, and even assuming it is true, or at least true enough, this same line of logic could probably be applied to the entire history of organized religion. True believer or not, being part of a nation's religious majority has always had its benefits. There are plenty of people I know today who pray over dinner. Whether that prayer's out of social convention or genuine belief is probably known only to them, but that's what they do.Little does the belief part of religion really matter anyways to the modern athiest movement, which focuses more on religion as a system of "silly" social norms and rituals rather than individual belief. There's people who believe all sorts of things deep down. There's secular people out there who will refuse anything associated with Christianity and its practices but will wholeheartedly believe in the power of healing crystals. To athiesm this is fine, since the culture of traditionally Christian people, not their beliefs, are and have always been the intended targets.>Today we simply cannot believe in things that we know aren't true in any way.Of course we can. Politics is, in essence, people choosing to believe in things that aren't true in any way. Boomers spend their days watching TV, believing things that aren't true in any way. What are you talking about?
>>24761687You think that's bad, just wait 'till you find out about public schools
>>24761737>Of course we can. Politics is, in essence, people choosing to believe in things that aren't true in any way. Boomers spend their days watching TV, believing things that aren't true in any way. What are you talking about?I'm talking about the supernatural stories such as genesis or Noah's ark. The modern man knows these aren't factually true. Now in the past you could find theologians that presented an opinion that some of the stories are metaphorical and that for example God didn't necessarily create the universe in 7 days. But this creates a problem with the stories about Jesus. His miracles and resurrection are an integral part of the religion, and any Christian in the past 2000 years has to believe that this physically happened. Today we know that these things are impossible, so we are stuck either believing in things that contradict our understanding of material reality, and taking it upon blind faith that they happened, or just being culturally Christian, not believing in the religion, but practicing the rituals for social cohesion and personal peace od mind. I think the majority of young Christians belong in the second group.
>>24759233>Christians are rarely, if at all, persecuted todayby almost any measure christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world
>>24759384good lord you're a massive idiot
>>24759251> murder and invasion encapsulates that worldly pedophilic religion how did christianity spread? what were the crusades? why is there a catholic church scandal of kids being sexually assaulted every year?
>>24761832nonsense lmao. Im pretty sure smaller religions that are at risk of completely being wiped out in the middle east or africa are at way more risk. Even muslims have it worse than Christians, every decade or so some christian majority nation is bombing a muslim one killing tens if not hundreds of thousands. Whether its Russia, US, or the UK.
>>24762186Shhh, christcucks need their little persecution fetish to feel special
Western atheism ideologically comes from Christianity and is a reaction to Christianity both as a culture and an epistemology. Why don’t atheists spend more time on Shintoism? Simply because it is not very relevant western atheismChristians by contrast have a fetish for converting non-whites to Christianity and so they will be more interested in tearing their religions down in order to disillusion them and make them more pliable to Jesus
>>24762225pretending to be persectuted while you rape and pillage the world is an abrahamic tradition
>>24758901My non-religious views are a response to Christianity. I will quietly, and only around people that know me well, voice that I think supporting Islam isn't a very leftist idea. My issues with Christianity apply to all Abrahamic religions, I just don't want to be perceived as anti-brown-people so I pick on the majority-white religion.
All religions are hogwash but I was born and raised in the US, so the most prominent one in my life has been Christianity. Perhaps if I was raised elsewhere, I might feel different.
>>24758901fuck off
>>24760598This. People choose the religion that lets them be the most degenerate.
>>24761026They are now SJWs
>>24762309If one replaced the word Christian with Jew, would you still post that image?
>>24761750this is not an argument. you're pointing out the same reality as what grounds the church. nor are they held to the same standards; one is claiming connection to a higher purpose. that would leave many questioning the foundations
>>24762607Why wouldn't he? Judaism and Christianity are two sides of the same disgusting Abraham of coin
>>24758901It's probably because they are EVIL and want to destroy what's GOOD
>>24762607No, I love the Jews. I only hate Christians.
>>24760598you could just as easily argue that people love being told what to do. most take issue w/ assumed authority or moral superiority.
>>24761737I don't think I could *choose' to believe something I know is false. Could you?
I'm not going to read the rest of the thread but the answer is partly that Christianity is what they're rebelling against. Mostly it's because other religions either wouldn't tolerate it or have protected status.
>>24761436Pornography is a bannable offense on here.
>>24762686I move my cursor 20 pixels down and press the d buttonsuddenly there are anal pregnancies and futa cocks all over my screen christian website, btw
>>24761825Beliefs, morals, and philosophies are all things that don't necessarily follow the logic of the phenomenal world. I'm sure that if you investigated yourself deep down, you'd find contradictions, exceptions, and exceptions for your exceptions. It's just what humans do, thinking and acting outside of the imperfect, limited, potentially broken system of logic. Sure, people these days believe less and less in "miracles" and all that, but assuming that people can't believe in or have faith in something because we live in an age that considers itself sophisticated is a gross misunderstanding of human nature. God's main residence since the enlightenment has been in the metaphysical anyways, a place that is by definition outside of what we know.God is like philosophy; science and data won't make it real or fake.
>>24762681You probably already do. You just found a way to rationalize it after the fact so you didn't notice. Motive is a hell of a drug.
>>24762868No you don't. Belief is involuntary. If you don't believe God, you can decide "I believe in God now because I want to now". This is basic.
>>24762635Or maybe anon was pointing out the hypocrisy of spreading a stereotype about Christians when the statistics show much more dire settings for children that go ignored. Seeing the same people up in arms about what some faux-Christians did go quiet when secular settings or even other religious institutions are brought up leaves people questioning the real motives behind the anti-Christian sentiment those people try to spread.
>>24762882Belief is more than just arguments about God, anon. You hold beliefs about your country, your family, your ethnicity and your sense of self right now that are there, in no small part, there because you want to believe in them. Belief can be completely voluntary, it just won't feel to you like a conscious non-logical decision was made since humans are hard-wired to rationalize.
>>24758901>not believing in santa claus is equal to hating it.>t. smartest christcuck
>>24761835I understand your frustration.
>>24762882NTA, but I went from agnostic to believing that there's something deeper going on after noticing synchronicities and keeping a journal of these incidents. doesn't help my doubt when these synchronicities seem to suggest that I act more virtuously in specific situations, when they might as well just be noise. very strange, and yeah I'm probably going insane, but that's my two cents.
>>24762868Name 1 think I believe which I also think is false
>>24762309Based and redpilled.
>>24758901Probably because no one they've ever known has practiced islam or buddhism deeply. Rage against christianity is rage against society.
>>24762898It's not voluntary in any transcendentally fundamental or final way. Your beliefs change when you experience things, listen to certain people, and read books that change your opinions, or work something out in your mind by rearranging what knowledge you already have with different meaning. Belief change is gradual the decision to change is made when enough understandings pile up in the back of your mind and it hits you like a realization, something like that doesn't happen in a vacuum, or fancifully or like you're changing clothes. It's probably more rigid than changing how fat you are, memory probably a bit more enduring than fat cells
>>24763224>Your beliefs change when you experience things, listen to certain people, and read books that change your opinions, or work something out in your mind by rearranging what knowledge you already have with different meaningThat's what I've been getting at. Motive, however, not only affects what things you experience, or people you listen to, or books you read, but also determines in no small part whether or not what you take in from experience is brushed off or goes to cause a "revelation", as you put it. If someone doesn't want to learn from something or someone, or goes into a situation assuming deceit, no change of opinion is going to happen. You'll just get defensiveness.What people want to be true is an extremely large factor in what they consider true, and anyone can see this from people's behavior regarding news sources to historical concepts of ethnic supremacy.I'll put it this way: there are a million different opinions on a million different things, all made by people in various states of being manipulated. Changing minds is a billion-dollar industry, as we see every election year or with regards to socio-cultural movements. People believe all kinds of wrong things.But not you.Somehow, you, unbiased and open as you are, have come to the right conclusions, independent of the bad people who've spent fortunes trying to spin your mind towards them.The fact is, I can say the above to anyone and it'll be about as true to them as it is to you. Because, after all, their "revelations" that brought them to believing whatever it is they believe was just as motivated by what the mind wants to be true as yours were.
>>24762989That things'll all turn out okay.
>>24758901Because there is only God, not "the Christian god" - atheists are mad at the One True God.
God is not any more likely to being "higher" than "lower" or "one" or "all". It is a more historically/empirically situated explanation with psychology that god is describing something like Jung's collective unconscious. Like the electrolytic loam which travels in waves or particles between living 3-D organisms and ties everything organic to the original memory of the first spark of life just as equally as it does to any other birth or death event. It's like because we can't imagine being less free than an ant colony because Ego naturally produces delusions in this relatively recent development of the stage of homo sapiens we are in now (7-10% of the overall timescale is estimated for how long conscious humans have been living). Humans or something like us are going to keep living on Earth, however crudely or well, for much longer than us, probably millions years more. Consciousness itself may as well evolve to naturally solve problems within a single lifespan that great authors had to agonize over for centuries now.>peak oilDon't need it.
>>24763414Look, the reason you have to clown and can't respond is because the position you took on is fucking dumbwe use the term "belief" and "think is true" synonymously we DON'T have beliefs we think are false
>>24763839It's an unfortunate defect of English vernacular that "true" commonly mixes up with 1's and 0's/formal logic systems, and someone's convictions/beliefs
>>24759384>tl;dr: larping to pwn the libtards You retards are literally just the inheritors of the fedora
>>24758901>Why are so many atheists angry with the Christian god specifically?>Why do the devil's pawns serve the devil?Idk lol>>247592335 dollars they're all Bible thumping heretics>>24759295>There is literally no reason to subscribe to this confused and worthless worldview if you werent raised in it.It being the only true religion doesn't hurt. Don't forget that I eat Jesus! Yummy!!!>>24761245>AbrahamicImagine conflating Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
>>24764258>Imagine conflating Jews, Christians, and Muslims.They're all the same thing and each successive iteration of the Abrahamic death cult is shittier than the last
>>24764270>They're all the same thing and each successive iteration of the Abrahamic death cult is shittier than the lastThey have similarities but one of them eats God. Hint: it's not Judaism. Also, frankly Judaism has no prophets now nor ark and Muhammed is a pathetic pedophile, so it's really just the Jesus freaks vs. world and He'll stay winning thank you very much
>>24764258>I eat godok pagan retard
>>24758901Buddha isn't a god, mohammed is just a prophet of the same kike god jesus is, if you slander one, you are defacto slandering the other, Muslims in arab lands have state sanctioned authority to torture and murder people who mock their religion, so you have to have a serious death wish to do it, but you only have to wish for the truth to widespread to openly to mock gods of western countries.
>>24764407Y'all got baited so hard
>>24761832>No, you can't get an abortion or do drugs or play violent video games or dance provocatively or show your bare body in public or speak freely, that would be a persecution of me and my religion.No, that isn't how persecution works.
>>24764412You talking about islam? Christianity hasn't enforced any of what you're talking about with violence, and barely with law in over a half century.
>>24759384>it's what killed atheism in the 21st century.Sure, atheism is so dead now that you have to spend several paragraphs kvetching about atheists and how their beliefs dominate modern culture.
>>24764414Sure, western countries totally don't have the largest prison populations in the world, people aren't still being prosecuted and imprisoned over things as simple as weed despite it being "legal" for over a decade, abortion totally hasn't reillegalized by christians who use lawfare to humiliate and punish women and doctors and they totally aren't going after porn and video games too.
>>24764418Tickets to Muslim countries are cheap. I hear china is also taking newcomers. You down?
>>24759384>You'd be shocked how many people my age are choosing to go to church these days out of their own free will.You would be shocked at how many people are doing that simple because a bunch of greedy old rich fucks go to church for the free shit and its an easy way to network and make money off of other people.
>>24760359So you are fine with the christians shooting up abortion clinics, just not when someone shoots back?
>>24760312Nothing quite literally is something, though, so you have to account for it if you want to understand everything.
>>24764422Yeah, that's why most people attend church. You okay man?
>>24764421Can you move your goalposts that far away?
>>24764434Most people do it for the free to cheap child care and to find business opportunities not for anything having to do with the christian beliefs or dogmas of the religion.
>>24764440>Christians are instituting a medieval theocracy in the US because a federal law got repealed (aka how the system is designed to work) and because weed isn't legal everywhere (??)Lol goalposts. Go to Qatar. They'll show you real fear.
>>24762894you didn't understand my post, retard
>>24764445>institutingNo, it has been instituted for quite a while, then things seemed to be reversing course because they couldn't afford the prison population, then they backtracked and started going back to authoritarianism. >a federal law got repealed (aka how the system is designed to work)What? >weed isn't legal everywhereWeed isn't legal anywhere, some states just couldn't afford to keep enforcing the laws, so they openly stopped trying and left it up to the feds who still occasionally raid "legal" dispensaries to seize cash and assets.
>>24764445>real fear.No, they will just murder you, real fear is being imprisoned with a bunch of feral hoods for decades because you peacefully associated with a plant.
>>24764450Are you going to check out a non Christian society or can I write you off
>>24764456Constitution is already non-christian, I just want christians to stop trying to shit up constitutional republics with bullshit that isn't compatible with universal liberty.
it's not real man grow up
>>24764469Interested in which scripture forbids republicanism/democracy. What are you basing this on?I don't have no idea, I've just known many a theologian to be proponents of republicanism, so I'm curious if you have specific scriptural arguments to back the claim.
>>24764478>Interested in which scripture forbids republicanism/democracyAll the ones that say or imply god is in charge and doesn't care what people think about his rules.But that isn't the point, the point is that the constitution explicitly separates itself from religion, I never said christianity is non-constitutional (but it is since it derives its power from some demon's magical powers and the chosen bloodline that the demon picked to inhabit not from collective human decision making or humans trying to appoint leaders), I said the constitution is non-christian.
>>24764478Can you point to the parts of the bible where god said you could vote him out of power because there need be checks and balances against his authority?
>>24764490No, sorry.>>24764485As I understand it the separation of church and state was largely to 1. protect religious freedom and prevent certain groups from state persecution for practicing their particular religion 2. to prevent them from all killing each other. I was hoping I could learn something from you, but I guess not.
>>24764494also lol at how angry ya'll are, like I get you're atheists and see religion or belief in the supernatural as harmful, that's a completely rational take, as far as I'm concerned, but why do you have to start seething when a religious person engages with you? I wasn't looking for a gotchya, just was curious if your assertion had any weight behind it. lol. deep breaths, boys, deep breaths.
>>24764494>1. protect religious freedomWhich is the antithesis of Christianity that says you are only a real person worthy of being saved if you take part in one specific religion.>2. to prevent them from all killing each other.No, laws against murder did that, it was to prevent the government from punishing religions who didn't conform to the current leader's beliefs.>I was hoping I could learn something from you, but I guess noYou don't seem capable of learning since you think you have some kind of in with the master of the universe and it doesn't matter what any one else says if it isn't in some centuries old book of demons the master had a hand in writing.
>>24764495nta and im not following the thread, but the main reason religious retards trigger me, is that they argue from some religious foundation, jargon and all. w/ some assumed authority on the matter. like your bible verse means shit to someone who exists outside of that world
>>24764495I wasn't getting made because you were christian, I was ruthlessly making fun of your for being retarded and completely getting the point I was making ass-backwards since I didn't say christianity was non-constitutional (despite it obviously being monarchic in stead of constitutional) I said the constitution was non-christian because this isn't a christian society, it is a constitutional society overrun by christians who often ignore the constitution to forcefully push their christian ideals.
>>24764499>Which is the antithesis of Christianity that says you are only a real person worthy of being saved if you take part in one specific religion.I'm sure many Christians were against it then, too, I'm not taking a position on that. I mean, there's a huge Christian nationalism debate raging among Christians right now. I was wondering why you felt it was anti-Christian. >antithesis of Christianity that says you are only a real person worthy of being saved if you take part in one specific religion.isn't that actually the SPECIFIC THESIS of Christianity? Only Christians are saved. You're not making a lot of sense to me.
>>24764503You said it was anti-Christian, which I found puzzling since largely the reason for separation from church and state wasn't to herald in an atheist society, but rather to protect Christian rights in an era where various denominational sects were persecuted by their rulers. Seems like a ridiculous argument to make.
>>24758901Probably because atheists only exist in predominantly Christian cultures (i.e. the west) because Muslims kill apostates
>>24764507Oh you did say non-Christian, excuse me
>>24764505>I was wondering why you felt it was anti-Christian.Because it specifically refutes the ultimate authority of christ by separating religion from state.>isn't that actually the SPECIFIC THESIS of Christianity? Only Christians are saved. Yes, the thesis of christinaity is antithetical to the constitutional separation of state that says laws apply equally to everyone instead of there being some chosen saved peoples derived by some divine authority. I bet a lot of stuff doesn't make sense to you and your magical demon based worldview.
>>24764509Makes sense given you have a typical abrahamic persecution complex so you automatically assume that anything that is outside of your religion is fundamentally against it.
>>24764511You're inserting your own reasoning here without taking into account the actual reason the founders sought to implement such a separation in the first place. You can get philosophical about it, and I'm sure a lot of Christians would agree with your point about it refuting Christ's ultimate authority, but your reasoning is flawed, I think.
>>24764512>persecution complexWhy is this only levied by people who are actively attempting to persecute Christians? lol
>>24764513I don't really care since you already admitted that your thoughts were based almost entirely on your misconceptions and your functional illiteracy mixed with a bunch of magical demon based nonsense.
>>24764517Well, that was quick..
>>24764519Don't really care about your opinions on quickness either, you obviously can't say anything reasonable or logical since you are intellectually tethered to some imaginary demon and their supposed magical abilities.
>>24764521I accept your concession.
>>24764516Except I was clearly just implying you were behaving jew like in your approach since persecution complex is more often associated with them and your beliefs are just an offshoot of theirs. Also its not persecution to say the constitution isn't a christian document and christians don't have a monopoly on constitutional law because they aren't actually chosen by god to dominate everything else, its just the truth.
>>24764534Ok I concede "that" was "quick" as long as you just go away as quick as you think I did whatever "that" was.
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>>24764542So you admit your religion and views aren't about trying to be truthful, you are just trying to make certain people angry?
>>24764544That's a non-sequitur. You getting angry, soiling yourself and calling names to anyone simply questioning your statements is just an amusing invariability I've come to expect from engaging with salty atheists.
>>24764556>That's a non-sequitur.No, you changing the subject to whatever emotion you are trying to project onto others is the non-sequitur.>simply questioning your statementsYou didn't validly question anything, you admitted your entire argument up to that point was based on your persecution complex misrepresenting what you read, so I easily dismissed you and your obvious bias and don't really care about further discussion with someone who admits to misrepresentation. I didn't just call you names, I accurately described your fallacious nonsensical arguments techniques.
>>24758901>Why are so many atheists angry with the Christian god specifically?Most atheists stopped believing in God intellectually but continue to do so on an emotional level. Which is how they can be so bitter and angry at something they don't believe exists.
>>24764571No, more like they were raised with a lie that is nicer than actual reality, so they are in a state of conflict that their entire community conspired to make them believe in fantastical santa claus fairy tales despite the cold hard realities that make that kind of thing impossible.
>>24764575lolFUCK U MOM, YOU TRIED TO MAKE ME BELIEBE IN THE TOOTH FAIRY, U CAN ROT IN A RETIREMENT HOME
>>24764598No, the looney bin is where people who believe imaginary characters are real beings should be sent.
>>24764427Rationalizing your psychosis like this just proves my point lmao, if you have guns give 'em to a family member
>>24764729Ok invisible ubiquitous magician believer
>>24764729>psychosisSo why are there so many dead abortion doctors and so many christians in jail for murdering them?
>>24764732I may be a believer but calling me a ubiquitous magician is a step too far
>>24764740that sounds like the kinda shit you made up in your head after reading about like 1 guy doing that, idk just don't shoot up a church or whatever, alright?
>>24764747Sounds like you are ignoring reality again because of your preference for magical thinking.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
>>24764743I didn't, you are just too illiterate to parse a single sentence.
>>24764787You think you're talking to one person, don't you?
>>24764812No, but I do think you are too illiterate to parse sentences and so is whoever posted >>24764743in response to >>24764732.
>>24764820I like that you've spent so much time seething in this thread to prove that OP is wrong and atheists aren't unusually angry with Christ.
>>24764861Except I am not angry at imaginary characters, I frustrated with retards that can't tell the difference between imaginary characters and real people to the point they will drink cheap liquor given to them by pedophiles and larp like they are drinking magical demon blood while their kids get raped.
>>24764875Do you ever contemplate why such dreary subject matters permeate your thoughts?
>>24764962Yes its because dreary things happen fairly regularly and people like you whose personality revolves around yes anding a bunch of lies about magical demons make excuses and try to coverup what actually happened making it significantly worse of an experience for everyone.
>>24764976Foolish to think that we suffer less than anyone else.
>>24764986Yea its foolish to believe anything demon worshipers claims, of course you suffer like everyone else and don't get a free pass from suffering just because you drink demon blood every week.
>>24759251Well then, I spit on the emachated corpse of Christ. Imagine being an all-powerful being and allowing yourself to go down without a fight.Enjoy your heavenly kingdom full of converted based trad niggers and sudacas
>>24764989You're very adept at taking up your cross.. you sure you can't find any appeal in Christianity?
>>24764991Yes, this is what the thread is about.
>>24764993Of course lies are appealing I never said it wasn't seductive to try to wish away your suffering with magical demon blood, it just doesn't actually work and you just end up offloading suffering onto those around you without being able to acknowledge your faults.
>>24761832that inherited jewish persecution complex is still really going strong huhChristian culture is centered around Jews. They have holidays for Jews. They killed hundreds of thousands of white men to worship Jews. They listen to Jewish psalms. They elect a Jew as their first pope. They call you a Jew for not worshiping a Jew. They draw the entirety of their culture from Jewish mythology. They post stories about Jews. They celebrate the religious life of Early Jews. Their biggest event of the year involves the birth of a Jew. They use Jewish words like "Hallelujah" and "Amen" and name their children after Jews. When you say "Judeans/Israelites" they're not thinking of a Middle Eastern people. They're thinking of their "ancestors". Their churches are completely adorned with Jews. They worship their saints and prophets disproportionately filled with Jews and their Apostles also filled with Jews. Their men sit around dying for the King of the Jews while their women sit around praying to a Jewish mother. They worship Jews like Saul of Tarsus and Jehohanan and Thomas and the rabbi Yeshuah bar Yosef while attacking the Greeks and Romans who actually built an empire and scientific institutions before Jew worshipers took over. They hate Jews who don’t worship their Jew but love Jews who do worship him. They send their Jew worshipers to kill those who don’t worship Jews and celebrate when Ancient European monuments and shrines get destroyed because they don’t honour Jews. They read Jewish books to a point where "Holy Lands" does not make them think of their ancestral homelands but about a desert instead. They will tell you how much they hate Jews and how they threw them out all the time and they are just pretending to live with them now but the evidence speaks for itself in that Christianity has always been and will be a religion of Jew worship.
>>24764340Yes, you retardLeave it to a christranny to not even know the symbolism of the Eucharist (which in turn is really just Goetia magick)
>>24764340>>24765003This is a cute little team you guys got going here. What demon do you work for?
>>24765000>They worship their saints and prophets disproportionately filled with Jews and their Apostles also filled with JewsTheban Legion process this wrong in terms of raw numbers. Also, rent free. Calling Jesus Jewish isn't wrong but He's really Catholic because that's the religion He founds.
>>24765008Well he's not a daimon, but I personally am an Apollo worshipper.
>>24765012>Calling Jesus Jewish isn't wrong but He's really Catholic because that's the religion He founds."jewish" is an ethnicity, "christianity" is not. I know your whole "there is neither jew nor gentile in christ" spiel, but that's not how it works outside of your semitic delusions.And he he was not a catholic either, little tradcath zoomzoom. christianity as you know it did not exist until the end of the 3rd century
>>24765013>I personally am an Apollo worshipper.Nice, dude! Tell Apollo to save your soul, to fill you with love, and to get you to be more selfless. I'm sure that will work really well! What's your favorite food pantry and soup kitchens dedicated to the honor of Apollo? Which hospitals exist to his name? Who are the Saints of Apollo who founded orphanages? Oh, to answer these you need cryptic etymological pseudo-symbolism aka lies, it's almost like your master Apollo just doesn't care about the poor. Maybe, just maybe, he's a demon.
>>24765017>jewish" is an ethnicity, "christianity" is not.>I know your whole "there is neither jew nor gentile in christ" spiel, but that's not how it works outside of your semitic delusions.The kingdom of Satan disagrees with me?!?!?! Oh nooooo>And he he was not a catholic either, little tradcath zoomzoom. christianity as you know it did not exist until the end of the 3rd centuryThis is almost so wrong and adorably so that I seriously wonder if you only have internet for 4chan. Google, "Holy Orders." The Church's hierarchy is a Sacrament like the Eucharist
>>24765017The only reason jews are an ethnicity is because they exclusive prefer exclusivity and inbreeding while christians will recruit and breed with anyone.
>>24764544A frequenter of prostitutes is upset when a prostitute won't sleep with him or suddenly is too expensice. A dealer in lies also doesn't like the Truth
>>24758901western atheists are angry at Yahweh, Arab atheists are angry at Allah, etc etcbut you already knew this
>>24765019>tell Apollo to save your soulHe does favour my soul, and I don't need salvation>to fill you with lovehe does>and to get you to be more selflessWhy? why should I be more selfless?>What's your favorite food pantry and soup kitchens dedicated to the honor of Apollo?Gods have loftier ambitions than soup kitchens>Which hospitals exist to his name?Apollo is quite literally the father of Asclepius, the God of medicine. Paean is also another one of his names, meaning Healer. > Who are the Saints of Apollo who founded orphanages?none, fair enough.>it's almost like your master Apollo just doesn't care about the poor. Apollo cares for any who venerate him.>Maybe, just maybe, he's a demon.the correct word is daimon, and as previously stated, he is not. >>24765024>The kingdom of Satan disagrees with me?!?!?! Oh noooooEl/YHWH is the only god of all Abrahamic religions, make of that what you will>his is almost so wrong and adorably so that I seriously wonder if you only have internet for 4chan. Google, "Holy Orders." The Church's hierarchy is a Sacrament like the EucharistHow about you google the Council of Nicaea and get back to me, zoomzoom. Did you know that your first Pope, Peter, along with Jesus' brother James, originally wanted to keep christianity for only the jews as intended? Up until the council of Nicaea christians were a loose confederacy following their local leaders whose convictions ran the gamut between what would be considered early catholicism to Sethian gnosticism.Read a fucking book, you're on /lit/ after all>>24765027>christians will recruit and breed with anyone.That's not a good thing
>>24764494"Separation of church and state" did not originally apply to State governments.Only the Federal government.
>>24765003the eucharist is fucking literal you larper. Christians literally believe theyre physically eating God.
>>24761737>Little does the belief part of religion really matter anyways to the modern athiest movement, which focuses more on religion as a system of "silly" social norms and rituals rather than individual belief.This is entirely wrong, the reverse is true. The modern atheist movement praises the rituals and ridicules the individual belief. Being a sane, intelligent person in society and believing that a rabbi with superpowers saved the world two thousand years ago is the thing we ridicule. Not going to church or taking lent.
>>24764785Most of these are secular. Really reaching with the whole "it's the Christians" angle. I've met plenty of pro-life agnostics and athiests, and of course muslims.
>>24765896I admire the creativity but that doesn't seem to match up with reality at all. Athiest belief systems like communism tend to go after religious rituals, clergy, even architecture. Post-modern depictions of Christians in the boomer-run West are always milquetoast whites with blonde hair and blue eyes that end up shown in a very specific light, as if to try to lump in racial and class differences to make Christians look worse. Have you been aware of pop culture from the 90s to today?
>>24765737depends on the denomination
>>24765983>Athiest belief systems like communism tend to go after religious rituals, clergy, even architecture.You mentioned the "modern atheist movement", which I took to mean the new-atheist movement of dawkins and such, not communism. I know less than nothing about communism.>Post-modern depictions of Christians in the boomer-run West are always milquetoast whites with blonde hair and blue eyes that end up shown in a very specific light, as if to try to lump in racial and class differences to make Christians look worse.What does this have to do with your post that I replied to? You are incorrect that the modern atheist movement mainly attacks religious traditions and rituals rather than the individual beliefs.
>>24760309Are you sure? I have seen one wild buddhist online and he was chill unless you treated anime as an accurate religious depiction
