pro-natalistbros... our response?
>>24759704That only works when you have a gazillion boomers born before you to work and provide services for your parasitic lifestyle. Once all these all retards will be incapable of working, you'll be lighting your house with candles retard. Liberals have 0 foresight
>>24759711gen x and basedlennials are cattle and will keep the machine running for NEET chads dont you worry
>>24759704If that's really someone's list of life's positives then I think we must be a different species. Has their being really slumbered since birth untouched by any glimmer of meaning and mystery? Horrible to contemplate. Some people's souls are an abyss. And it seems to have no correlation with outward success.
>>24759704most of the negatives should be in the positives because being born allows you to perpetrate them
>>24759704>cruelty to animals>destruction of natureThere's no amount of mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance that can justify this.
>>24759704if life was truly net-negative, wouldn’t suicide rates would be near-universal?
>>24759728Not even the guys who sit at home alone and dream up images like OP's pic rel think ending it is preferable.
>>24759724Yes : fuck animals ? I genuinely despise these inferior creatures
>>24759704I prefer living to being dead. If you’re miserable, like really miserable, kill yourself. They have no answer to this. >Life sucks! No more babies! It’s immoral! >You can stop living anytime you want. >No! I want to stay alive and be miserable! And make other people miserable like I am!
>>24759724>cruelty to animalsThis would imply humans have a higher moral calling, which would imply the extistence of a God, which would imply the existence of an afterlife, which would imply anti-natalism is axiomatically incorrect.Thank you for allowing me to BTFO (You).
>>24759728>>24759742Their response is once you are born, being alive is preferable to being dead.
>>24759799>would imply the existence of a God>"Morals didn’t exist before a bunch of desert Jews wrote a book about it.">"No, I definitely learned my morals consciously by reading the Bible once I reached reading age, and not through upbringing."
>>24759704You forgot the most important part>>24759742We're afraid of death, condition which can happen only after birth.
>>24759704>positives: material pleasures>negatives: the consequences of everything I'm ignoring to pursue material pleasures Who the fuck did this? This is the most atheistic hedonist picture I've ever seen in my life
>>24759828>atheisticAre you Christian?In Christianity, there are two possible routes:eternal pleasure in heaven,eternal damnation in hell.Coming into being channeling us into either of these is merely amplification of anti-natalist argument where it's better not to gamble on eternal damnation.
>>24759704The positives got listed by a caveman, the negatives got listed by a liberal.I am neither.>>24759833>eternal pleasure in heaven,Not the hedonistic kind, thoughbeit.Or that anon would have not specified.
>>24759704Man i love inflicting pain on people
Arguments are meaningless. If you don't impregnate that broad someone else will.
>>24760025Thats why im a rape advocate
The gallows in my garden, people say,Is new and neat and adequately tall;I tie the noose on in a knowing wayAs one that knots his necktie for a ball;But just as all the neighbours–on the wall–Are drawing a long breath to shout “Hurray!”The strangest whim has seized me. . . . After allI think I will not hang myself to-day.To-morrow is the time I get my pay–My uncle’s sword is hanging in the hall–I see a little cloud all pink and grey–Perhaps the rector’s mother will not call– I fancy that I heard from Mr. GallThat mushrooms could be cooked another way–I never read the works of Juvenal–I think I will not hang myself to-day.The world will have another washing-day;The decadents decay; the pedants pall;And H.G. Wells has found that children play,And Bernard Shaw discovered that they squall,Rationalists are growing rational–And through thick woods one finds a stream astraySo secret that the very sky seems small–I think I will not hang myself to-day.ENVOIPrince, I can hear the trumpet of Germinal,The tumbrils toiling up the terrible way;Even to-day your royal head may fall,I think I will not hang myself to-day.
>>24759704>anti natalists can only conceive of base physical pleasuresmakes sense.
>>24759734You'd lose a debate with a squirrel.>>24759799Your chain of reasoning is full of leaps and category mistakes. Thank you for BTFOing yourself on my behalf.
>>24759813Prove "lower animals" have morals. You can't.
>>24759813>"Morals didn't exist before..."God imbued man with morals, dumbass. Morals began to exist the same time man began to exist.
>>24760607>"I'm too fucking stupid to make a simple google search"skill issue>>24760619And immoral people are the ones god forgot to imbued them with I guess? Also see above
Existence is required to realize the so-called "pointlessness" of existence. If you're a pro-natalist, you already exist. You're fucked. Time to kill yourself, buddy.
>>24760763>immoral people...Read Genesis. It's not my job to babysit your low IQ ass.
>>24759728If doing meth were truly a net-negative, wouldn't meth abuse rates be universally zero?Why aren't humans perfectly rational creatures?
>>24760845You couldn't even come up with an equivalent statement. The suicide statement asks why aren't suicide rates the same across countries. Your statement asks if something is inherently bad why do people still do it. You should have said "If meth use is truly a net-negative, then why aren't sobriety rates equal across countries?"
>>24759704Now add the "Reborn" column
>>24760859If niggers are bad why hasn't whitey killed all of them
>>24760859Why are you bringing up countries?I took that anons statement to be about why humanity doesn't choose suicide over existence, not suicide statistics
>>24760827>no uI accept your concession
>>24760872>>wouldn't suicide rates be near-universal>why are you bringing up countries???Breh...
>>24760876>NOOO YOU CAN'T USE MY OWN RHETORIC AND RULES OF ENGAGEMENT AGAINST ME!!!
>>24759728Because people are cowards. Dostoyevsky wrore about this.
>>24759704
>>24759704Alright, hold still while I kill you to solve all your problems.
>>24759704Let's not pretend that anti-natalists know what sexual pleasure feels like.
>>24761071the joke is virginity and sex and getting laid lol
>>24761071>SEXkys.
I haven't had sex, ate nor slept in the past 12hrs and i felt happy and pretty content with my life today.
>>24759715>meaning and mysteryLife is essentially meaningless, and the mystery is that there is no mystery
>>24760025This is happening at a lesser rate in so-called developed countries, mainly because the retarded sexes will not do what the other wants them to do, being base and mindless hedonists.
>>24759704Struggling is a pro.
Trolling and shitposting gives my life meaning. I feel great fulfillment when people take my obvious bait and get mad.
>>24759704the non-living inevitably begets the living
>>24759704>Oy vey goy life is bad o algo please kill yourself now and stop breedingFuck off shill, depressed people are losers. Life is beautiful even if we have to suffer occasionally>>24759813You are extremely fucking retarded, maybe not breeding is good in your case>>24759833Absurd. It isn't a gamble. You do what you do on life, you make your choices. Hell isn't a punishment, it's simply your personal rejection of God, so He lets you be where you won't see Him again. You look at this through insanely materialist and uncultured lens>>24760763Immoral people are immoral out of free will. God doesn't force people to behave like puppets on a stage. You have your free will, you can fall into sin or rise to virtue. Bitching about muh immorality just shows you aren't ready for the logical consequences of free will and need everything to be done for you
>>24761953>t.
>>24759704You seem to be making the error of assuming that suffering is bad.
>>24762025I hope you get cancer.don't wish the same for me, I consider suffering bad.
>>24759704>zomqqq...life SUCKS..its so heckin evil and I flippin hate being alive...>ok, so kill yourself >what?!?!?! Are you flippin crazy???
>>24762038I hope you have a long and fruitful life
>>24760845Doing meth is not net-negative kek, are you a retarded prude? Using drugs is perfectly rational even if it turns out to be a bad decision. Wrong reasoning does not mean irrationality.
I eat, drink, rest and fuck every single day. I do not get diseases, feel hungry, face injustice or violence and all the rest of that, hardly ever.It's a failure to understand Expected Value if you believe your image.Maybe those things do happen to you more often, in which case, LLLLLOOOOOOLLLLL, LMAOOOOOOO, L L L L L L, LOOOOOOOOOSER!!!
>>24759802So it is preferable to be alive than to be dead, and we don't know what an unborn person would prefer unless they were alive.
>>24762025Cut your finger off right now, send us .webmIf you won't do it, you're refuted.
Food and sleep aren’t positives lol, you have to become a slave to feed yourself or put a roof over your head
>>24761953>being tortured forever isnt punishment, its actually...Amazed how many Christians think this semantic nonsense is a good argumentEven funnier when you accuse anyone who doesn't take your word games seriously of being a "materialist" or "uncultured"
>>24762066So long as you aren't procreating and are essentially harmless, then I think the antinatalists will think you are ok.
>>24762205I will not. Also, explain to me how you would come to your precious antinatalist conclusion if it were not for the existence of suffering?
Reminder that anti-natalists are likely to be mentally ill and have a personality disorder
This doesn't mean that anti-natalist arguments can be dismissed solely due to this fact (inb4 crying about ad hom); it does however add context to why autists make these threads and are completely unable to understand why they are wrong. It also has direct implications regarding Benatar's quality of life argument (i.e. anti-natalists are stuck in a rigid ideological system as a cope for to sustain their defective worldview).Say you're designing a logo and you want to market test for the most appealing shade of red. Would you want most of those in your sample population to suffer from protanopia?
Anti-natalists are at a complete poverty when it comes to weighing quality of life. Their defective nature simply precludes them from accepting any rationalization outside of their own self-indoctrination. They don't necessarily mean to be disingenuous because such is simply written into their nature.Also note that the more you talk to them the more you'll realize a sick fascination with harm, violence, and death. These people don't want to reduce harm, they want to justify their resentment and spread their misery.
>>24762847You’re confusing anti natalist with eugenicist, a common tactic by breeder scums with no arguments except for>but it’s le good or something according to my arbitrary definition of good i was taught by ZOG in public school/church/media talking headInstead of reading dogshit journals published by literally who, try engaging with the work itself. Start here, my illiterate brown friend, and you will come to realize why the world doesn’t need infinity more negroes on welfare
>>24762853>read this Don't need to and retards who subscribe to antinatalism are more interesting than their faggy ideology could ever be.
>>24762853My arguments is>Interesting thesis. How are you going to stop me?
>>24762911Don’t you have an African child to adopt? Remember we must grow the population for le good or something.>>24763139With TND of course
>>24763143>With TND of courseI will carry on with my life and never experience this. Have fun!!
>>24763143If you cared about suffering you'd actually be doing something about it instead of mentally masturbating about a retard tier "philosophy" you think validates your mental illness.
>>24763164I am doing something about it. You’re advocating for infinity Africans and Indians to put immense strain on social services to the detriment of all people thus creating suffering.
you dudes still arguing with the anti-natalist nigger mongoloid? just ignore and report the fag.>sage
Breeders can't override their bioimperatives.I think it's genetical. Browns can't suspend their hedonistic 'gibs me dat posterity' mentality.
>>24763169>I am doing something about it.Nope. You're jerking yourself off online about a cope ideology because you're a mentally ill loser with a personality disorder.
>>24763192>a cope ideologyAny ideology is a cope.Anti-natalism is a solution to all. You can't name a single issue it doesn't resolve.
>>24763199Morally anti-natalism is the right thing, but saying it solves problems in the real world is a stretch.
>>24763199Antinatalism is a laughably simplistic ideology mentally ill losers with personality disorders buy into because they're low IQ and want it to seem honorable on their part that no one wants to fuck them. >time to take a break from your computer and mow the lawn, sweetie>FUCK YOU, MOM! I NEVER ASKED TO BE BORN! Lol
>>24763192I’m changing hearts and minds here. If even one non-white reads this thread and is convinced not to have children I have won.
>>24763213It solves them by making sure they are never created.There's not a single philosophical problem that hasn't been solved for my own posterity by me making sure my posterity never encounters a single question that would require an answer by never becoming actual.>>24763216>anti-natalists are low IQ>because no one wants to fuck themI think you messed something up here.Usually, it's the low IQ ones who fuck and reproduce the most, and it's the intelligent people who fall into inceldom or conclude that it's better either postpone procreation or pass on it altogether.Need a proof or you can look up birthrates by continent on your own?>>24763217It's going to be problematic because to be convinced by anti-natalist arguments you need to posses a certain level of self-awareness, which doesn't seem to be a trait browns have.
>>24763217>I’m changing hearts and minds here.Nope. You're engaging in an ideological circlejerk with like-minded retards while people who know better laugh at your bullshit.
>>24763244>anti-natalists are low IQAs evidenced by their adherence to a retard-tier ideology. >no one wants to fuck themThat's the driving reason most of them buy into said retard-tier ideology. Way to tell on yourself though, incel.
>>24763252Nice non arguments and ad homs. When you get past the bullshit name calling, what it comes down to is this:On the anti natalist side we have>responsible growth>environmentalism>social order>high quality of life>using tools and robots and technology to automate away our worriesOn your side you have>jewsus commanded us to multiply>more indian and african slaves to drive down wages for Jewish profit>deterioration of social cohesion >bankrupting and debasing social services like healthcare and educationIt’s really not even close. Moreover, we have academia and logic on our side, with many many books to support our position. You guys have Abdul and Fatima and their 9 kids on welfare in Paris.
>>24763246>laugh at your bullshit.Because their genes will spread and mine won't? But how does this affect them once they die anyway?They seem to be on the level of the apes, like when confronted with intellectually or existentially demanding problem they 'laugh at such bullshit.'I've seen it happen with some Latinx, where they start laughing whenever you bring up anything remotely intellectual.>>24763280>>jewsus commanded us to multiplyNo he didn't. There was something about multiplying in Torah, but New Testament doesn't make any such demands, it got mostly the afterlife in view.
>>24763287> There was something about multiplying in TorahWhich jewsus the Jewish rabbi commanded his Jewish followers to obey
>>24763280>On the anti natalist side we have Depression Psychopathy Self-pity Vulnerable NarcissismMachiavellianism Low IQInceldom Ideologically motivated cope FTFY.
>>24763291Not really, Christians are more about the 10 commandments and that Paul guy.Anti-natalism fits Christian framework just fine insofar as chastity or celibacy is considered a virtue, and we show how our posterity might get punished in hell.That's one of the reasons I don't take anti-Christian stance, it's possible to corner them in their own religion.Muslims, as well as less.. self-critic peoples on the other hand seem to be unconvertable into AN, which requires some other solution.
>>24763287No, retard. We laugh because it's obvious being low IQ has caused you to buy into a dumb pity party ideology because no one wants to fuck you.
>>24763217Should White people have children still?
>>24763299Nice adhoms kek, natalist logic just doesn’t hold up because its based on muh feels that ZOG implanted into their brain since kindergarten >>24763337Aryans only
>>24763339>adhomsTruth hurts, fag. That's why antinatalism comforts you and pointing out what you actually are makes you seethe.
>>24759704All of the negatives are simply diminishments to the good of living. To suffer and die of a disease is like to be given 100 dollars rather than 1000. Everything is good all the time.
>>24763337Since Anti-Natalism supposes that it's not having been is beneficial for the person not created, the logical conclusion for any given Anti-Natalist to ensure sterilization of the group they like the most.So a white supremacist AN would advocate for sterilization of white people,a black supremacist AN would advocate for sterilization of black people,a liberal AN would advocate for sterilization of the oppressed groups and minorities,a communist AN would advocate for sterilization of the proletariat,a capitalist AN would advocate for sterilization of the rich.It's funny how it plays out.
>>24763343Adhoms aren’t truth, you don’t know anything about me kek. Here’s the real truth- primary source of a christcuck natalist being converted in real time
>>24763355The truth isn't ad homs. You got it backwards, retard.
>>24763352Except me personally, I don't take it quite so literally.I believe that if you accept anti-natalist ideology, you need to be FIRST in line to reproduce, obviously thanks to techonological progress below replacement, to maintain the AN, and ensure the mass sterilization project is enacted worldwide.In this case, it seems that the most susceptible to self reflection people are Europeans, so they need to carry the extinction for everyone who'd be reluctant to stop breeding, and then naturally pass themselves.
>>24763361No I have it correct, you are an ESL third worlder which explains your obsession with breeding like cockroaches
>>24763366>I have it correctNope. You're a retard with undiagnosed mental issues coping via a pity party ideology you think excuses the fact you're a loser.
>>24759704If "throw the baby out with the bath water" was an ideology it would be this one.
>>24763372Where’s the pity party? It’s your side that is in tears and having a mental breakdown over a moral panic over the fact that we don’t need a billion more indian slaves because a Jewish desert story says so
>>24763381>NO ONE WANTS TO DATE ME BUT THAT MAKES ME BASED AN HIGH IQ!>YOU'RE MAD BY HOW BASED I AM!Lol
I think the Natalie Mars enthusiasts in this thread are projecting. They say all the most horrible things about antinatalistis, that we are evil and degenerate and so on- while we have been nothing but cordial to them and provide them primary sources and books.From both practical, scientific, and philosophical standpoints the antinatalists have proved dominant. Bonus points for the civility displayed in the face of braying from christian trolls.>>24763400Yawn I have gf
>>24763401Sure you do, incel. Sure you do.
>>24763402Nice non argument
>>24763413>ARGUE WITH ME ABOUT MY IMAGINARY GIRLFRIEND!Lol
Who could have guessed that people who devote themselves to preaching existence is miserable and therefore all life should be extinct, after convincing themselves they've weighed the sum total of sentience and found it wanting, would be mentally ill and have personality disorders? Lol.
There’s no reason to argue with nihilists. If they’re genuine, they off themselves, if not, then they don’t believe what they say
>>24763339>Aryans onlySo you don't even subscribe to the philosophical reasoning of this retard ideology. You just post about it anyway.You're not anti-natalist, you just don't like brown people. It's not the same thing.
>>24763401>From both practical, scientific, and philosophical standpoints the antinatalists have proved dominant.And yet you still can't affect anything.It's utterly pointless to have the high-ground but change absolutely no-one's behaviours, even including your own.
>>24763686I already have, in this thread and irl
>>24763736Quote one person whose behaviour you have changed.
Universal antinatalism is retarded, that's why I'm a particular antinatalist (ie I, in particular, shouldn't have been born).>inb4 kill yourselfI'm working on it, I've been drinking enough that I'm starting to vomit blood
>>24762049thanks. you wish you gotten the same response too right, it's because suffering is bad and the opposite is good.
>>24763767>I'm working on it, I've been drinking enough that I'm starting to vomit bloodstop doing that retard
>>24763767killing yourself is bad doethat's the point of anti-natalism: nobody should be born because borning presupposes death
>>24763767Stop doing that please. And what you describe is not the belief that "creating a sentient life is wrong", which is what antinatalism is. Your statement has absolutely nothing to do with antinatalism.
>>24763466What about antinatalism is nihilist to you? Yes, many antinatalists are nihilists, and many nihilists are antinatalists, but what about the opinion that "creating a sentient life is unethical' makes you think of nihilism? It is a moral prescription. Nihilist doesn't just mean "it seems miserable and like they have given up".
>>24765912He doesn't understand what nihilism is.Just throws word around at what he doesn't like.
>>24759704I am actually rather fond of many things in the negative category, and do not believe in humans as a discrete unit
>>24759704how is this still a debate after Nietzsche?
>>24767911>muh neetcha Come home.
>>24759704Existence is a lot more interesting than not existing. Imagine being the guy who sees the 99.99999999999% of the universe thats all balls of gas and rocks and saying that's what the world should look like
>>24768162So non-existent are bored from not existing? We have a moral obligation to entertain the unborn by making them actual?You realize it's ridiculous?
>>24768293Not as ridiculous as sperging about never having asked to have been born because your parents expect you to do chores.
