*dethrones Zizek as the most influential living philosopher*
>>24762659influential leader of the gut right
It is actually amazing how NRx won in the end. Or is on the cusp of winning.
>We should totally let tech bros rule over us and dictate every facet of our lives!His dream has practically come true already. I hope one of those Boston Dynamics robots rips his head off
>>24762668He didn’t say that, tranny
>>24762669Yes he did
I do admit I like his idea of an actually-effective Sovereign, versus the labyrinth of the bureaucracy. It would be nice to put a name and a face to the person who rules over me, rather than being governed by an amorphous blob.
>>24762673I think the sissy hypno has given you schizophrenia.
>>24762674But you are ruled over by Emperor of Mankind Trump
>>24762675I think you need to take your meds
>>24762659Amazing, as he's never said anything I haven't heard before. And I'm not even a theoryfag.Still though, I am happy for the coming age of extreme racism and eugenics.
>>24762690Heard before from where? He is the progenitor of this philosophy so you’ve probably heard people parrot him most likely.
>>24762665>Or is on the cusp of winning.It is? What would constitute as NRx winning? Haven't been reading much Yarvin as of late.
>>24762698i guess 100K federal workers resigned today. retire all gov employees was something these guys have been talking about
>>24762698he gets to say nigger on twitter while the country is flooded with saars
>>24762711Trump memes stopped being funny in 2016
>>24762707That was merely a strategy of power accumulation, which is not at all unique to NRx tactics. >>24762711Yarvin is actually against mass immigration and he made his stance on that clear in his Migration and the Sovereign Firm.Of course, I know that most of the people who talk about him on here are anxious nazis and leftists, but still.
>>24762750i'd say focusing primarily on power accumulation on the right as opposed to principled stances like 'say whatever you want i die for your right to say it' is one of the keys of his writing. (he claims the left already exclusively focuses on this forward feedback loop of power)
>>24762659Who's this fat, ugly slob?
>>24762790He is the man that is currently responsible for reshaping the moral and philosophical framework of America to prepare for the 1000 year 4th reich
>>24762750I read his UR stuff way back when, and some of his earlier Gray Mirror stuff, but nothing the past 5 years. What is he even advocating for these days?
>>24762823I think he's kind of having fun scaring the normalfags nowadays, now that he's become mainstream. That New Yorker profile of him was very funny to me because I could tell he spent the entire profile essentially mocking the interviewer but the interviewer was too stupid to realize it.
>>24762690Here I was thinking I was the only one.
>>24762828Yah, I imagine he is having fun being, in the minds of normies and leftists, the living embodiment of /pol/. And he might as well play it up because he would never get an honest profile done, and being scary bad man would do more to attract people to him. I will admit, it is still weird seeing him as a public figure now. Our humble little moldbug grew up.
>>24762665NRx is not a philosophy, it's a contrarian pseud aesthetic plastered over basic bitch techno panopticon dystopia
>>24762659Who ever cared about zizek except for reddit atheists? And the most important living philosophers of our time are Jordan Peterson and Ken Wilber.
>>24762881Zizek quite literally put Peterson on life support, and the other guy you mentioned is literally who tier you may as well have said Justin Murphy
>>24762884poor justin
>>24762881Our most important living philosopher WAS Alasdair MacIntyre, but of course he's now deceased.Actually has anybody ITT ever commented on MacIntyre and his stuff? I'd imagine Moldbug probably never has, but Zizek would at least know of him and might have some interesting things to say about him. I know Zizek likes Chesterton so he might be sympathetic to MacIntyre's LeftCath-type turn.
>>24762698He's experiencing somewhat of a resurgence, but probably mostly because he was one of the early victims of leftoid cancel culture. So instead of people reading moldbug, chuckling about his handful of really good observations, eviscerating the bad ideas, and letting him fade into irrelevance, Jews flipped the fuck out and banned him everywhere. So NRx simmered underground for years and now that cancel culture is being pushed back, people are discovering Yarvin for the first time.
>>24762963>people are discovering Yarvin for the first time.if you get a NYT times article about you, it's the deathknell. NYT is the anus of the cultural digestive tract, where ideas go to die and rattle around in the empty brain cage of some geriatric in hip, thick-framed black glasses.
>>24762659That is not hard for me to chose him over Zizek. Zizek is a “nominal” communist who equates Putin with Hitler and views the SMO as a war of aggression, completely undialectical. He is a liberal douchebag who wears communist dressing. Moldbug doesn’t interest me much but I agreed with his take on Covid that all shutdown of travel and borders like in DPRK is what is necessary to stop it. You wouldn’t even really need masks if all travel were shut down.
>>24763050Gold star for you agreeing with one of his most retarded takes that he walked back. America is the global hegemon, people must travel to and fro. He should know this as a Thiel towelboy.
>>24763057I am of the opinion that tourism should be banned for US citizens and people only enter or leave the country for diplomatic affairs, athletic competitions, archeological digs, etc.Recreational tourism should be banned and outside influence in US restricted.
>>24762659He's not a philosopher. he's a dude who has spent waaaaaay too much time online. Like most chud philosophers, his ideas, if ever implement, would quickly fall apart in practiceAlso he looks constipated and bloated so he's hard to take seriously >>24762674Isn't that just you being lazy and not researching your local, state, and national politics?
>>24763071Is there any particular real reason you think this is a good idea, or is just because of an imaginary scenario in your head you invented?
>>24763083The stated reason for DPRK is to prevent bourgeois attitudes from influencing the populace. If Moldbug wants to kickstart society in a new way following nrx principles then he will get a lot of kickback and it is necessary to control info in and out of the nation.
>>24763090And why should we let a dude who calls himself Moldbug and looks to be quite lazy kickstart society? I don't think anyone seriously thinks N. Korea is a shining example of a healthy society
>>24763105>>I don't think anyone seriously thinks N. Korea is a shining example of a healthy societyThe article we are both talking about assuming you are the first poster is in defense of Korea’s immigration restrictions. The DPRK model for immigration and travel is influential in Moldbug thought.
>>24763115So he's stupid is what the article is getting at?Because N.Korea would have failed long ago if left to their own devices
>>24762659kek this dude is so ugly lmao
>>24763078>Isn't that just you being lazy and not researching your local, state, and national politics?I don't have fucking time, man. I don't have time to go through the minutiae of politics at every single level of modern government. I have shit to do.And I'm a single guy who works from home. What about people who are married, people with families, people who have to spend all day at work? Hell, and what about people who are just incurious about it all?Democracy doesn't work because the average person simply is not equipped to govern themselves and vote in an educated fashion in the Modern world. The Enlightenment was wrong.
>>24762659If it were so, Zizek ought to have more than one fucking print run of his voluminous catalog of poorly edited and spelling error riddled books.
>>24763078>his ideas, if ever implement, would quickly fall apart in practicecertainly this is not the case with all the left-wing philosophies... oh shit wait.Imagine making this remark about a neo-traditionalist. How stupid can you be.
>>24763278>The Enlightenment was wrong.The enlightenment never really thought universal suffrage was a good idea, neither did our founding fathers. You know as well as I do that women, blacks, etc did not have the right to vote for some time. But did you know that Senators were not elected in the united states until as recently as 1915?
>>24762659>Zizektotal faggot, that's repulsive to look at
>>24762659>>24762674>so it's another faggot shill that wants to do neoliberalism, because REAL neoliberalism was totally never tried beforeno thank you
>>24762659His influence proves tech CEOs are actually retarded
>>24762659Nick Land is probably the most influential living philosopher. People listen to Zizek but he doesn't actually influence anyone. He basically just applies hegelian dialectic to everything to produce some pseudo-profound hot take and then mixes in some lacanian gibberish that no one understands. he is popular, but that doesn't mean he actually influences anyone.
>>24763554This dude is not neoliberal. He wanted borders shut down entirely and trade halted and for the CEOs to become literal kings.
>>24762790(((Curtis Yarvin))).A guy that no one has actually read or can quote but every terminally online wordcel knows of
>>24763548Maybe but he pulled pussy
>>24762659Is looking this repulsive and naming himself "moldbug" related to his philosophy?
>>24763278>Democracy doesn't work because the average person simply is not equipped to govern themselves and vote in an educated fashion in the Modern worldThis is literally what most enlightenment thinkers thought
>>24762828He's only worth taking seriously due to his connections to the Trump regime, otherwise he's of no importance. Anyone who must hide in layers of irony and shock statements has nothing worthwhile to say.
>>24763125As a general rule of thumb whenever you espouse a new radical ideology that doesn’t fit in with liberalism of necessity you must block the borders and control info in and out of the nation.The USSR fell for many reasons but one of them was that they protests happening in Berlin and Warsaw reached Russia and the people no longer wanted socialism if they learned others were also against it in secret and then all of east Europe fell simultaneously. If you want NRX to work it would need tighter controls on borders and media because the riots would make anti-DRUMPF rallies look like child’s play.
>>24764341Cool story but didn't this big thing called perestroika happen where gorbachev gave up pretty much the whole empire to try to save the empire which had a predictable effect of destroying the empire? Or are you trying to argue that people having pro democracy riots in germany toppled a major world power because Russians, as a literal assertion, did not understand that opposition to communism existed anywhere on earth until riots happened and then they went wow let's topple a major world power now. Is this your claim
>>24762659He hasn't written anything. A compilation of a blog is not a book. He's not a serious thinker. More like an internet personality.
>>24764350Yes, all of the eastern bloc at least wouldn’t have fallen at once if they had NK level immigration and control of media. The fact you could just hop a train and go from Prague to Berlin is what helped topple it.
>>24764362Retrenchment definitely isn 99% of what toppled the nuclear superpower. Maybe within that 1%, a decimal fraction was influenced by riots in germany
>>24764350Liberal states are generally not susceptible to this rule because liberals don’t have a vested interest in toppling each other’s governments. Even modern Russia is basically liberal in its markets and state duma and the other states treat it with kid gloves in comparison to Korea but I digress…
>>24764373If your point is about how going anti liberal gets you hunted geopolitically, thus requiring a sort of iron curtain, then I follow. But I still don't think the USSR collapsed because "subversion" broke through. Gorbachev pretty much pulled out of the whole empire, and he did that because they were bleeding money
>>24762659I for one welcome our new Jewish overlords
>>24762664Beer belly protruding, very disrespectful
>>24762665They seem like they are losing momentum owing to fragmentation among the elites (Elon) and revelations that basically all of them are Jewish (BAP, Lomez, Yarvin) or gay (BAP, Thiel, Giesea, etc.).They are also starting to lose the constitutionalists so their only real demographic now is Trump loyalists concerned with either culture war issues or single issue immigration voters. The latter demographic should not be underestimated. I don’t think they’ll be able to sell J. D. Vance as a replacement for Trump and once people know who Thiel is the way they know Soros it will probably fall apart. Trump also weak on Epstein issue and is losing some portion of his younger base on Israel.If he can’t pull off a coup I doubt he manages to rig the elections in Vance’s favor.
>>24762659This man is Jewish and thus not to be taken seriously. He’s going for French aristocrat, but he will always be that dorky kid in a yarmulke.>>24762674This wasn’t even his idea, he lifted most of it from Hans-Hermann Hoppe.>>24762690> Amazing, as he's never said anything I haven't heard before.That’s because he’s been posting since before you were born. Few of his ideas are original, but he’s steered a lot of reactionary discourse for the last 15+ years.
>>24762798>4th ReichCool lets see his 23andMe
>>24764416I think you're making a lot of confident assumptions about an administration that's about nine months in.
>>24762675What the fuck is sissy hypno, you terminally online lobotomized closeted megafaggot?
>>24762884>Zizek quite literally put Peterson on life supportlol>>24762963>Jews flipped the fuck out and banned him everywhere.Yarvin is Jewish (check the early life section) and so are you.>>24763090> The stated reason for DPRK is to prevent bourgeois attitudes from influencing the populaceYou know the real reason is to keep people from seeing how much it sucks, right?
>>24764416I think the stage is set for someone actually charismatic and not Jewish to come along and sweep a lot of things up. A Napoleon figure, basically. Trump is not that man but he has primed the runway for him. Now we await him.
>>24763242He’s not even that ugly as dorky members of the tribe go, he just has no idea how to dress or groom himself.>>24763978True.>>24763983Nick Land hasn’t been relevant in over a decade.
>>24764014Was the border shutdown thing during COVID? I vaguely remember that on Frog Twitter, in the very early months of the outbreak.>>24764373>treat it with kid gloves in comparison to KoreaThe Norks fired a rocket at Hawaii and are still receiving food aid which they use to subsidize their military budget. The Russians by contrast are getting killed by American cruise missiles over the Ukrainian color revolution.>>24764442I’ve followed these people obsessively for years. As much as I dislike them, they are the cultural center of this movement and I don’t see how they hold it together with the fragmentation you’re seeing between them. Even if Trump wins a third term he is turning 80 this year. He’s the oldest person to have ever been president and it’s quite likely he will die of natural causes before his term is over. This movement seemed ascendant in the early 2020s because Thiel saw Trump as a cultural engine and threw money around to get people onto the same side; but like I said, half of these guys are (literally, not figuratively) Jewish and homosexual. All of these people attack each other constantly because the opportunities in the space are coveted and none of them want to get a real job. Maybe Thiel can keep it together long enough to get Vance elected, but I doubt it.>>24764523> I think the stage is set for someone actually charismatic and not Jewish to come along and sweep a lot of things upWhy? Trump’s entire admin is full of these people. In 2016 I could have believed it was 5D chess, but at this point it is still obviously an extension of ZOG. Don’t make me tap the sign.
>>24764535>I’ve followed these people obsessively for years. As much as I dislike them, they are the cultural center of this movement... I didn't necessarily mean that the administration has more time to prove itself or something like that. What I'd meant is that events in the world change rapidly, and every event is exploited, and there may be more method to the apparent madness in that context than you're seeing.
>>24763978A lot of 'successful' people are retarded. Read Epstein's e-mails. He literally could not spell his own name.An Indian could probably topple Blackrock by sending Larry Fink a phishing link.
>>24762674Sounds the idea of a retard with no experience in government
>>24764547The wildcard is if they actually try a coup. Failing that the movement is basically terminal. They tried using Kirk to polarize against Antifa or whatever but half the discourse just turned to blaming it on Israel. But I’m curious; what sort of method did you have in mind?
>>24764573I don't have any in mind. More so thinking about how much insane, unforeseen shit has gone down in a decade, and how quickly things oscillate. I just don't rule shit out anymore. It was a general point
>>24764573nta but i also have been thinking a lot lately about the possibility of the trump admin trying to pull off a coup in 2028. personally i just dont see it as a real possibility but like others have said ITT trying to predict history almost always ends in the predictor looking like a silly retard and with how polarized and upside down the world feels right now you never can fully write it off as impossible. the main reason i think a coup is unlikely is simply because it would not bode well for the financial & business elite that actually control america. there is a certain function to the disfunction of american politics in the sense that its very convenient to maintain a system that is so broken and fractured it cannot accomplish anything that goes beyond national defense and the interests of the elite. why destroy an illusion that placates the masses and become responsible for this mess we're in? i can see no real benefits from a trump coup that would outweigh all the potential downsides but with that said nothing in america makes sense anymore so my guess is as good as yours.
>>24762664Supposedly he’s on Ozempic now so that should fix it
>le pol face but fat and long hairmonarchists used to at least have fashion sense
>>24764651he'll try 100%, look at how he sends the military in on a whim to cities he saw on fox news. i think it'll fail because the administration is incompetent >>24762674some people are born to be slaves
Good God, the gut, the face, the expression, the hair, the outfit. Why is everything about him so physically repulsive?
>>24762674This used to be the case in Europe in the 16th-18th centuries, varying by state. The labyrinth of bureaucracy emerged as the complexities of a modern industrial nation-state became too much for a monarch ruling by decree or even a small elite cabinet of ministers to handle. Bureaucracy is a necessary feature of absolutism in the modern age. By the 19th century this had been realised by literally all absolutist monarchies except for Britain, which had rejected absolutism wholesale, and Russia, which was, as always, backwards and retarded. And even the Russians were starting to get the message. The distinction between sovereign and bureaucracy is something that could only sound interesting to somebody who knew nothing of modern European history.
"""Political philosopher""" is an oxymoron. A shit stain on philosophy if you can call it philosophy.
>>24762694It's just shit people say so they can be dismissive. I bet there will be zero actual engagement with his ideas here.
>>24763078>Isn't that just you being lazy and not researching your local, state, and national politics?This is not the issue though. In democracy, the power is so diffuse that there is no single ruler, but an amorphous blob of bureaucrats, billionaires, and elected officials where any one party cannot really be said to be "in power" and among the billionaires (if they can be said to have the most power), even each individual billionaire may be deposed, bankrupted, or arrested if they step out of the bounds of this amorphous mass of "democracy."
>>24762659any of you guys on urbit?
>>24764859>some people are born to be slavesLike you have all this great freedom right now? Give me a break. Le no gods no masters results in perpetual tyranny of your life's minutiae by catladies and homosexuals. >>24764887What a load of shit. Computers take away 90% of that bureaucracy and most of them were just makework in the first place.
>>24762668why is it based when plato says philosophers should rule everyone but cringe when techgods say techgods should rule everyone
>>24764932Because the techgods are unwise, hedonistic, and corrupt. Plato didn't say>oligarchy is based because... because it just is okay?
