>Never reading Marx because I know he's rudely mistaken.
>never reading Marx because it's basically Christianity for college kidsfify
you can't understand Sorel, Gentile, Mussolini etc. without reading Marx
Reminder Marx's predictions about the collapse of capitalism were all wrong.
>>24771987If Leftists refuse to read something, you should probably read it. Since Leftists don't actually read Marx, that is a good place to start.At bare minimum it will give you insight into why Leftism as an ideology is boiled like a goose. It was only upon reading Capital that I realized how antiquated and quaint Marx's assessment of history and of the inevitability of revolution actually were.Then after you've read that, you can start reading real (Fascist) political philosophy and it will actually make sense how they emerged into these ideas after having found Marx's shocking myopia impossible to put into practice. Like how a tabletop RPG might have cool lore and soul, but its actual mechanics are just unforgivably broken and useless, so some guys make their own version that's much more balanced but also has a distinctly different take on the same themes, and then fans of the old rules and the new rules fucking hate each other.
Das Kapital is unironically a good thing to have read just to educate yourself on leftists and economics.Even if you come to the opposite conclusions it is a flex to read it.
>>24772486I refuse to read known antisemites like Marx. They turned out to be so wrong you're just wasting your time.
Marx was just an accelerationist. Communism is just the conclusion of capital through dialectics, its what capital is to feudalism.
>>24771987>50 page pamphlet>I guess I'll never know what it saysbased that's my /lit/
>>24771987Fucking based, I never read the communist manifesto and yet i tell everyone it's the worst shit ever
>>24772614I like the communist manifesto a lot. It is really beautifully writtent. anticommunist right-winger
>>24771987>I know he's rudely mistaken.>But I cannot explain why when asked.ftfy op
>>24772632I thought about it and I was.
>>24772619Still not reading and I believe it's shit
>>24771997nobody would want to read those literally whos
>>24772614>>24771987So now that machines do all our work, the machines actually are owed the sale price not the button pusher soi bois
>>24771987The sheer density and volume of anti-intellectual anti-thought bitching in this thread is further proof that Marx is vindicated and communism is the high intellectual position to hold.The simple reality that privatization allows for theft of exchangeable labour output is an undeniable fact
>>24773921take an econ, finance, or management class you absolute clown lmao
>>24773921Communism failed miserably. Deal with it.
>>24773924You see? The midwit does not realise that the subject of study of these fields is the system which is already prevelant and decided upon. Born not from immutable facts of the universe but willingly enacted policy positions. Positions which of course benefit few at the cost of the many.And even then the reality and factuality of labour theft remains a fundamental component of this very system. (Only they don't tell you about it in the books)ALL pro-capitalist positions really are expressions of midwittery, emotionality and ignorance.
>>24773926>Communism failed miserablyFailed at what exactly? Instead of blurting out useless pre-installed talking points like a golem why don't you actually set a criteria for what the fuck you are talking about.
>>24773929doubling down on clown i see
>>24773931Keep posting your non posts. You are just proving my point that anti-communist pro-capitalists CANNOT THINK.
>Never read Marx cause i cant read
>>24773930>Failed at what exactly
>>24773942>Can't answer the question/Pol/ would be more upto your speed
>>24771987Animal Farm is the only book you need to read to understand communism.
>>24771987in English, the phrase is "grossly mistaken"
>>24771987Read Manifesto. Nobody have time for all of the Capital tho, outdated and also muh economics bullshit.It really boils down to - some people got rich, while others did not - to Marx this is bad. What to do? His utopian visions didn't pan out.
>>24773924>learn how to collect rent to own marx
make people rich and marxism will vanish
>>24775207>>24775238>communist theory boils down to poor vs richOh my dear illiterate friends.The treatlers.
>>247739211: Marx would have to have been right about something in order to be vindicated, and he was not.2: It is absolutly deniable, since there is no such thing as a "theft" that is mutually agreed upon. Surplus Value theft is a post-facto rationalization.You guys got your teeth busted out all through the last 200 years for a reason lmao. Not one major victory, only defeats. We ground your faces into the shit and fucked your wives. Your children are actually ours. Your entire life will be spent working tirelessly in our service.
>>24775810>Your childrenThat troon isn't having any kids.
>>24771987> Marx's dialectical material analysis of capital is widely accepted as correct>you're average mutt will never be able to grasp this because its already weak brain was further turned into mush by Red Scare propagandasigh
>>24773942>low IQ avoidance tactic
>>24773951So you're getting your takes from children's books written by some CIA informant who admitted that he didn't do any research on the USSR before he wrote his slop? Figures.
>>24771987I want to read Marx and Nietzsche so I can better criticize them
>>24772405>It was only upon reading Capital that I realized how antiquated and quaint Marx's assessment of history and of the inevitability of revolution actually wereExcept Marx never mentioned anything of that sort in Das Kapital, you retarded poser.How embarrassing.
>>24772405>>24775857ahahahahhahaha
>capitalism and communism fought>communism lost>endless seethe and cope from MarxistsTake the L already. It's just embarrassing at this point.
>>24773951 "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it." - George Orwell
>>24775872everyday the world becomes more communistic through dialectic materialism. all marx did was notice that.
>>24775872>endless wars>Climate change will rape humanity in the future, due to short-term profit seeking>every year, hundreds of thousands of people die from treatable diseases because the capitalist system >every year, the living standards of the West is becoming worse, the middle class is disappearing, while the 1% accumulate record numbers of wealthCapitalism won in raping the goyim
>>24773921Marx is a pseudo-intellectual. Marxism makes you less capable at thinking or reasoning.>>24773934He isn't proving anything you moron. This is a shitpost thread and you're coming in here all butthurt and seething about it.>>24773921>The simple reality that privatization allows for theft of exchangeable labour output is an undeniable factThat you don't even see the tautology here is what proves you CANNOT THINK lmao. Arguing with a Marxist is always untangling their faggot word games and straw man bullshit.And that's the reason Marx is bad for you. Pseuds impressed by Marx wind up reprogramming their brains to be less capable and more intellectually stunted. They don't learn how to think. They fill their heads with retarded fake ideas that seem meaningful but aren't. Then internalize fallacious reasoning and argumentation to defend those bad ideas. This destroys your real ability to reason, argue and learn.
>>24773924>t. econ major seething that people (rightfully) call his position out for not having any real use to society
>>24775890>Marx is a pseudo-intellectualThis is what peak dunning kruger looks like, boys
>>24775890Why would a dialectical worldview make you less capable of reasoning?
>>24775880>>24775887>immediate cope and seetheGuess you never will. Oh well.
>>24775874Yeah he was a socialist but Orwell's brand of socialism would be basically unrecognizable to modern socialists.
>>24775902>has a hot take>absolutely incapable of defending itsigh
>>24771987but he's fun :(
>>24773951>English author George Orwell prepared a list of notable writers and other people he considered to be unsuitable as possible writers for the anti-communist propaganda activities of the Information Research Department, a secret propaganda organisation of the British state under the Foreign Office. A copy of the list was published in The Guardian in 2003 and the original was released by the Foreign Office soon after.>Falling for a fedCouldn't be me!
The Muslims prove Marx (to be more accurate, Engels) wrong. In the 20th century, Capitalism came to most of the Muslim world, and yet Islam and other pre-capitalist social structures did not fade away into air. In fact the Muslims are more fanatic today than they have been in ages. If these dudes couldn't even predict the effects of capitalism accurately, why should anyone take their predictions of the future seriously?
>>24775928so you're saying all Islamic countries still operate under monarcho-feudalism?
>>24775901Because you're encouraged to warp language and perception of reality to fit a (usually predetermined) dialectic. Then use rationalizations and various word games to attack any challenges to the fake and forced dialectic.
>>24775928Marx take was that religion is a sign of suffering, why would a capitalist system in the global south change anything on that trajectory?
>>24775936You could use that exact same reasoning for any analytical analysis, retard
>>24775928I'm convinced none of you niggas read any Marx
>>24771987You have to read him in order to refute him, and this is going to be an everlasting burden for humanity. Envy will never dissappear, and jealous people from all generations will find socialist ideas to justify themselves, so we have to know them and fight them.
>>24771987He was right about class exploitation, but wrong about revolution (China, Cambodia, Soviet Union) as well as religion (MLK Jr., Gandhi).
>>24771997You can, kind of
>>24775964>He was right about class exploitation, but wrong about revolutionhe was right about revolution, tho: neoliberalism (which is a fancy way of saying capitalism) is on its last breath; all the status quo parties are going down all over the Western world. The question now is, not if but what will come next
>>24775944No, you can't.Your brain is broken, possibly beyond repair.
>>24775941No, they (Marx/Engels) argued that with the advent of capitalism, the pre-existing social structures in a society would weaken (for example the weakening power of the nobility and clergy in France as the bourgeoisie rose in the late 18th century). Religion was one of these institutions that would weaken in the face of capitalism. To be fair, this did actually happen in the West but not in the Muslim world. Instead, religion (and other pre-capitalist systems) grow only more powerful.Saudi Arabia is the perfect example. Here you have a capitalist economy perfectly tamed to serve a theocratic monarchy. Rather than eroding religion or the power of the king, capitalism has enhanced it. Literally the opposite of what a Marxist would predict.
>>24775990>To be fair, this did actually happen in the West but not in the Muslim world. Instead, religion (and other pre-capitalist systems) grow only more powerful.Marx wrote from an 18th-century Eurocentric view about these things; the issue of imperialism and the consequences for nations that are affected by it wasn't really a factor back then. For example, if you look at Iran, back in the 50s, the first time they had a free election, they voted in a secular socialist, moving away from religion towards socialism on their own free will. Obviously, the US was tweaking over this and orchestrated a coup d'état and put some random nigga instead of Mordad in his place, which then led to the Mullahs in the 1970s. So, a factor like post-WWII, Cold War America was probably hard for Marx to conceptualize
>>24771997>GentileI can tell Marx wouldn't like him
>>24776045Marx hated kikes he loved his gentiles
>>24775988>no argument>just impotent seethingsigh
>>24773945>>24775838>didn't refute him
>>24775896Dunning-Kruger is a phrase used by the ruling elites control the masses through rhetorical manipulation. Aka propaganda.
>>24775904>Fabian socialists were in favour of reforming the foreign policy of the British Empire as a conduit for internationalist reform and were in favour of a capitalist welfare state modelled on the Bismarckian German model; they criticised Gladstonian liberalism both for its individualism at home and its internationalism abroad. They favoured a national minimum wage in order to stop British industries compensating for their inefficiency by lowering wages instead of investing in capital equipment; slum clearances and a health service in order for "the breeding of even a moderately Imperial race" which would be more productive and better militarily than the "stunted, anaemic, demoralised denizens ... of our great cities"; and a national education system because "it is in the classrooms ... that the future battles of the Empire for commercial prosperity are already being lost".idk this sounds like any other modern socialism to me
>>24775649It might as well, because what's the Marx's vision of future? Stateless, classless utopia where people have all their needs and possibly wants met. And in practical sense it all boiled downed to that, with practical applications of this becoming either socialist democracy or authoritarian/totalitarian communism.
>>24771987>not even Marxists doLenin. Stalin. Communitarian Law and UN White Papers. The rest is academic posturing, kayfabe and picrel accessories to the real thought crime.
Marx has been debunked.
>>24776396your comment? debunked.
200 years ago and capitalism meant children working 16 hour days in coal mines. day by day and step by step we get closer to the manifest destiny of dialectic materialism.
Communism is spiritually brown. The white man understands that man is a creature of drive and has the ambition and power to shape the world around him, as opposed to vice versa. It's a completely incompatible ideology for Western nations and people.
>>24776594Communism never argues against man shaping the world around him through ambition and power though. But a single man doing it individually is a complete myth. A lone man cannot even make a matchstick. Communism is vindicated by the fact that all human ambitions are achieved in cooperation.You are right about there being a connection between capitalism and white supremacy, just not in the way you think.
>>24771987Basado
>>24771987I'm not interested in his economic theories or communism blah blah blah, but I liked 18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte which is an essay about historical events that were going on when he was alive. More the journalistic side of Marx.>>24775990>Saudi Arabia is the perfect example. Here you have a capitalist economy perfectly tamed to serve a theocratic monarchy. Rather than eroding religion or the power of the king, capitalism has enhanced it. Literally the opposite of what a Marxist would predict.I'm not sure he would disagree? I think Marx would look at religion as expressing or reflecting the interests of various classes, and while I'm only observing from afar I think the trend in the Middle East right now is actually towards a kind of "business Islam." Here we go:https://youtu.be/C_BZQkU5CdsIt's my understanding that Islam and commerce have a long history with Muslim commercial traders and merchants being a whole thing for hundreds of years with various Islamic rules about fair dealing actually emerging out of that. There was also a whole history of abolutist monarchies in Europe tied to mercantile capital. At any rate, I like the version of Marx that's more like an open-ended journalist, detective or scientist aimed at understanding how societies develop rather than some of the (especially Soviet-style) Marxism that is more like a teleological ersatz religion where events are supposed to unfold in linear stages.
>>24771987marx and engels were right about everything
>>24775936for example?
>>24776629>You are right about there being a connection between capitalism and white supremacyHis post made no such connection. Don't need to throw a tantrum about white supremacy this early in the morning, bud.
>>24775936bro od'd on k. pooper
Ideology is for midwits
marx would be a sissified BNWO addict if he was alive today
>>24777240every fucking straw man argument against capitalism that pretends it's an alternative to marxism.
>>24776594Ironically we are literally witnessing the bownafication of nations due to capitals need to endlessly grow for the sake of endless capital.
>>24773921You are brown and disabled
>>24775986>he was right about revolution, tho: neoliberalism (which is a fancy way of saying capitalism) is on its last breathtwo more weeks
>>24777592he would've been introduced to dwarf fortress and then never heard from again
>>24775896Dunning kruger effect has been criticized by Taleb for its oversimplification. Get fucked, nigger!
>>24775887>all of that stupiditylole
