I’m wanting to read more into fascism and it’s philosophical and political inspirations as of late both for myself as a fascist and as a means to better describe or show people the intellectual tradition it stems from.I’ve read most of the boilerplate literature (Doctrine of Fascism, Mosley’s 100 Questions for Fascism and other assorted works, some Falangist works, schizoposts from when IronMarch still existed etc.) as well as some of the thinkers that inspired them such as Hobbes with the concept of the state, legitimacy and the sovereign as well as Nietzsche and his concept of Will to Power and to strive for strength and abhor weakness.Is there anything else you guys would recommend I should read next or what thinkers I should look into, be it from the fascist tradition or from thinkers that predated it.
>>24772108I feel that unfortunately fascism is less of a written doctrine than Communism is for example, with tons of theory and different theorists that argue with one another about the core tenets of the doctrine. When I wanted to become a well-read nationalist I went down the path you've already been down, Giovanni Gentile and Mosley and that is basically the core of the fascist writing specifically on fascism. There is a good NatSoc chart I've got saved but have yet to read any works from it. I am interested in the works of Jonathan Bowden as I am British, and think he was a great orator, I don't yet know if he is a great writer. When I get home I'll post the NatSoc chart if you haven't found it already.
>>24772108Reflections of Violence by Sorel.The Program of the Party of Hitler by Feder.Wagner's political essays, there is a collection called "Richard Wagner on Tragedy, Christianity, and the State" which is good.Read Schmitt if you haven't already.
>>24772108I am currently reading Imperium by Francis Parker Yockey. Only read 200 pages until now, where he describes the historical and political outlook. So I can't really give a full review. But its difficult to label him as a fascist, because he mixes many elements of various schools. May be still worth a read.
>>24772126Interesting, if you’re still reading this thread could you post that chart by any chance? I am not a zbrit but am from a commonwealth country and though we didn’t have as strong of a fascist movement, the BUF did catch on her in some form or another before Natsoc took its place
>>24772127I’ve heard good things about Sorel and even Proudhon to some degree (mainly as it pertains to political violence and corporatism. I’ll give these authours a look thank you
>>24772108Avoid all repulsive Americanism. Avoid all disgusting neo-Nazism. Avoid all "white nationalism".Writers from the 19th and 20th centuries are good! Lots of great literary figures... Celine, Pound, Hamsun, Rochelle, Rebatet, Brasillach, W. Lewis, Yeats, Schmitt, etcetera!All kinds of iconoclasts and firebrands... romantics... sodomites... swashbucklers...
>>24772198Yeah I find the American writers(with the Exception of Ezra Pound) missed the mark on what their respective movements ought to be about as well as the methods for attaining it. That being said I don’t mind Rockwell but a lot of the people who came after (James Mason and siegetards in particular) fell short in my opinion at least intellectually as those movements rapidly degenerated into petty cliques and wanton violence without real strategy behind it.Some of the names you me tiomed I’ve never read before, I’ll have to go read up on them
https://americanfuturist.net/library/
You are not a veteran from the Great war living in the ruins of the European civilization you were born and grew up in, and larping as one is cringe. Maybe read the reactionaries so you don't come off as a conrarian philistine
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Savitri was a fun read >Which book Yes
You're calling yourself a Fascist before even understanding its foundation?
>>24772181>if you’re still reading this thread could you post that chart by any chance?Ofc mate.
How THE FUCK both fascists and commies NEVER read Giovanni Gentile, the father of fascism, the fucking marx of fascism, the Hegelian Gentile.
>>24772636>father of fascismmeme
>>24772726Fuck you commie or fashie
>>24772636Because Anglo race-ideology is rooted in vulgar materialism and fundamentally incompatable with Gentile's actual idealism. The only party which even comes close to realizing fascism in the Western world is the Liberal Party of Canada, which is not something any tradpol larper wants to recon with.
>>24772198>Lots of great literary figures... Celinekek you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>24772859What's the problem? I fucking hate you. Fuck you.
>>24772374Communists do this every single day.
>>24772108Read any books with facts in them, like the FBI Uniform Crime Report, and maybe even basic economics books
>>24772387Actually a fairly good list, I'll try and annotate it for what each branch leads you down later
>>24772108Let's hear it from the inventor of the 'Aryan race' as an ethnologic term itself.'Finally, perpetually preoccupied with his personality and what relates to it in a direct way, he [the Aryan] is not materially patriotic, and does not feel a passion for the sky, the soil, the place where he was born. He attaches himself to the people he has always known, and does so with love and fidelity; but not to things, and he changes province and climate without difficulty. This is one of the keys to the chivalrous character in the Middle Ages and the reason for the indifference with which the Anglo-Saxon of America, while loving his country, easily leaves his native land, and, likewise, sells or exchanges the land he received from his father.Indifferent to the genius of the place, the Arian-German is also indifferent to nationalities, and only loves or hates them according to the relationships that these inevitable environments maintain with his own person.'
>>24772636OP here, are you retarded? I mentioned that I’ve read Gentile already
>>24772894This.>what's dialectical materialism>uh, well, all things are material, and they are related to each other, and that causes them to change
>>24772636FP here, I acknowledged OP's mention of his works and mentioned Gentile explicitly in my post.
>>24772108The first book you should read is called Mussolini's intellectuals. That should give you a framework.Also as fascism spawned from the 19-20th century leftist movements, its as varied and divided as the left is. National socialists and phalangists are as different as bolsheviks to anarcho syndicalists.
>>24772108"The Damp and the Dry: A Brief Incursion into Fascist Territory" by Jonathan Littell is a short essay that gives you an insight of the fascist mindframe.
>>24772108For My Legionaries - Corneliu Zelea CodreanuI enjoyed it. >All peoples around us have come from somewhere else settling on the land on which they now live. History gives us precise dates regarding the arrival of Bulgarians, Turks, Magyars, etc. Only one people came from nowhere: ours. We were born in the mist of time on this land together with the oaks and fir trees. We are bound to it not only by the bread and existence it furnishes us as we toil on it, but also by all the bones of our ancestors who sleep in its ground. All our parents are here. All our memories, all our warlike glory, all our history here, in this land lies buried.
>>24774109It's interesting to note that despite the variety in fascism, they were able to cooperate relatively well (barring the suppression of the NatSoc left, ofc), while the left will kill each other over even the slightest theoretical difference.
>>24775387I feel like Marx and Marxism ended leftist cooperation for good. His attitude that his theory is the best ever and his polemics alienated him from all the leftists. Proudhonists and Blanquists before him collaborated for the First International and the Paris Commune.
>>24772636political ideologues don't read, and when they do, it's a pathetic cursory reading beneath a chatgpt summary
>>24772387>Over half the chart is Hitler and Hitler-adjacentSo fascism really is just "that thing the Nazis did" and has no underlying philosophy? Imagine a Tankie Reading List that's entirely memoirs of Stalin and people who knew him and doesn't even include the Manifesto.
>>24772108Neck yourself, fasholehttps://youtu.be/HheuJjhSPAg?si=YtsLYYe8DFYKq72e
>>24775613In the current culture it's defined by opposition to it by brainwashed kids so it's "bad stuff except when we do it".I'm actually pretty liberal but obviously the word and symbol is the fasces, that's supposed to convey the core idea in symbolism. Any other specifics are means to the end of strength through unity, in the sense of the nation or in the case of Italy the greater empire, mirroring Rome.
>>24772108Fascism is a gay ideology for loser men who are incapable of crafting their own destiny or pursuing their own desires so they fall back into a gay herd mentality to feel a modicum of power. Unironically roasties are correct about fascists. The worst part is that fascist enforcers are generally the primary victims of fascist violence. The SS was the Nazi unit with the most casualties. They're architects of their own failures
>>24775677This theory, this model of the world and lack of theory of mind lead Marxists in Germany to state sanctioned rape of young boys to cure of them of le fascism.
>>24775696kentler conducted his experiments in west berlin approved by the berlin senate, the government of west berlin.
>>24772108Heidegger, Nietzsche, Spengler if you don't wanna just be a larp faggot but have a real justification for fascism.
As a fascist you don’t need to read just follow some leader religiously and don’t question anything about him and be ready to do unspeakable crimes for him. That’s literally it. No need for study
>>24776010This is the average university communist's understanding of fascism. Absolutely pathetic and childish.
>>24775677Fascism is nothing but conservatism for the modern world. (Zizek's words not mine)Back then we had kings and nobles and a heirarchy based social order. Fascists try to bring that back but within a capitalist corpo framework for industries. With enough populism and fear mongering sprinkled in to prevent a revolution. Of course they can't have outright social classes nowadays so they pretend everyone is equal but you must never compromise on loyalty to the system. But the system has elites. Instead of shooting you for disobeying your feudal lord they'll shoot you for disobeying the "nation". A "nation" that somehow always has feudal lord adjacents, with their position justified by some faustian myth or another
>>24776092So Obama was a fascist?
>>24772108Fascists don't read. there are less than 1,000 well read roman statue looking brownshirts alive today and the un/fit/ ones are all here.
>>24776492It's odd how individuals who detest fascism regularly subject fascists to purity tests.
>>24776501I never said they don't exist, just that they don't read. Laser eye PFP's aren't quoting Maurice Bardèche
>>24772818Explain?
>>24776484Yes
>>24776484If only you knew
>>24776092So true. I'm glad that Communism wasn't a similar dress-up for feudalism with elites. That would be extremely embarrassing for our deeply held beliefs.
>>24775672 How is that different from nationalism and how do you reconcile the ethnocentrism aspect with the idea of national unity in a multicultural empire that in its heyday spanned practically the entirety of the known world?
>>24776533You don't need ethnocentrism or nationalism, depending on the situation they can be means to foster unity or cause division. Romans thought in terms of dynasties so being half black or something would be a prestige debuff but you're still part of the dynasty.The Greeks who had a lot of experience with multiculturalism tended towards the idea that diversity leads to tyranny and was usually encouraged by people with tyrannical ambitions. The Roman republic has similar ideas and the idea was basically proven wrong by the process that destroyed the republic and put power in the hands of one man.
>>24776758>the idea was basically proven wrong*proven correct
>>24772198I remember when being American meant being a bit jingoistic but still proud of beating the Nazis. https://youtu.be/6-2F0x7tzcM
>>24776484Not quite. liberals do tend to gravitate in that direction. But fall short of the adherence to system part. >>24776529Communism is a different framework entirely of course. Classless society is its core tenet. It's the logic of democracy and people's franchise/control over their fate taken to it's natural conclusion
>>24776070This is the truth, I‘m not a communist, I‘m a Kantian Liberal. Fascism is anti-intellectual, completely vibe-based, if you read history you will realise how the irrationality of the leaders lead to their country‘s ruin because they did not believe in logic and intellect. Just pure instinctual power.
>>24775672>I'm actually pretty liberal but obviously the word and symbol is the fasces, that's supposed to convey the core idea in symbolism. Any other specifics are means to the end of strength through unity, in the sense of the nation or in the case of Italy the greater empire, mirroring Rome.I thought if the origin of the word for fascism was English rather than Italian it would be called something like "Unity-ism." (Of course Italian also has a different word for unity but it basically means that.)>>24772237>You are not a veteran from the Great war living in the ruins of the European civilization you were born and grew up in, and larping as one is cringe.IMO on this "unity" theme, I think an actually effective nationalism would aim at uniting people who a lot of modern-day *rightists* don't actually like, so there's a situation where both religious-conservative and relatively liberal secular people are waving the same flag and considering themselves to be one the same team. It would look more like Ukraine or Israel which, well, probably indicates that having a big army and a lot of people serving in it is important:https://youtu.be/5NdCJHPHL-8https://youtu.be/ha-8LO0seaM
>>24776789>Communism is a different framework entirely of course. Classless society is its core tenet. It's the logic of democracy and people's franchise/control over their fate taken to it's natural conclusionThat natural conclusion being widespread misery, surely?
>>24776758If fascism doesn't require the things Hitler did, why is the fascist reading list little more than a study of Hitler's life? What books should one read to learn about real fascism?
>>24777604Along with George Washington! The ultimate proto-Fascist!!!!!
>>24777648Read those who have studied Fascism extensively. Roger Griffin, A. James Gregor, Aristotle Kallis.
I can see the appeal of Fascism but it's really just an ersatz Monarchism. Monarchy is so much more superior and the most natural form of government. Fascists also destroyed a number of European Monarchies. They can't be forgiven for that. Monarchy is the way.
>>24772108grow up, faggot. this is so boring.
>>24777648Obviously when Mussolini started it wouldn't have been about Hitler so something changed. The word "fascism" almost only being used as a slur that associates you with Hitler means those who identify as "fascist" will tend to buy into those "anti-fascist" narratives to some degree. It's like the meme where society keeps saying "you are the bad guy" ending with the kids saying "i am the bad guy".The only distinct thing about the early fascists seems to be the idea of prioritizing unity and trying to figure out and use whatever secret sauce fuelled the Romans. All the retarded lists of "signs of fascism" apply more to supposed liberals than anyone else.
>>24772108Most transcendental literature is fascist literature.
>>24775677>be fascist>pursue your own destiny and desires>tranny retard in 4chan: Nooooooo, not like that, you have to fight for gay rights!
>>24776010This, but you forgot being based and redpilled while doing it.
>>24776758>and the idea was basically proven wrongAre you bad in the head?
>>24776836I once more agree with the meme ideology fag.
>>24777731>Monarchy is the wayIf you are a cuck.
>>24772126It's because fascism is a late capitalist historical phenomenon rather than a monolithic ideology
>>24772108dumping
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>>24776836>fascism is anti-intellectual, completely vibe-based>>24776836>Just pure instinctual power.Yes, that's how the world works. Everyone in power knows it, not just fascists.
>>24776484Yes, America has been fascist since its inception, it's literally a Freemasonic experiment on melding together state and industry in the hands of the elite.
A Handbook for Traditional Living, I don't know if it counts.
>>24777731Absolute Monarchy or Parliamentary Monarchy?
>>24776518The core principle of Fascist ideology is the bringing together of the nation under a single ideological framework which is itself directed by the State. This doesn't sound like much, but fascism has roots in philosophical idealism so theres the idea that perception creates reality and by having the Party or the State as hegemonic over mediating perception the State is able to mediate reality itself.The Liberal Party is the only political party I can think of which has fully mobilized civil culture as a tool for realizing national objectives. Every ideological relic of "what it means to be Canadian" was at some point cooked up by a cabal of liberal party beaurocrats and dissiminated through joint State-Private media partenerships. The economy, and this is really evident under Mark Carney, is not really free market but a party elite picking out corporations to get state support in pursuit of a concept of national greatness. Our immigration policies espescially betray the view of the government towards people as a sort of innate organic matter to be directed by the State/Party Elites towards the best interests of the State.The Liberal Party lacks that Latin flair of previous fascisms, but I don't think there's another democracy on earth which seeks to consolidate financial, state, and cultural power under a party elite which defines the nation in a strictly top-down and inorganic way to the same extent that Canada does. Not a western democracy anyways, maybe North Korea or Eritrea.
>>24781965>>Just pure instinctual power.>Yes, that's how the world works. Everyone in power knows it, not just fascists.This is such lazy thinking dressed up as profundity. Imagine it's winter and you're trying to build a cabin to stay warm. Someone comes up and smugly says, 'Heheh, you fool, why kid yourself? Don't you know winter is inherently cold?' That's how it feels whenever someone pulls the 'well life isn't fair' routine.
>>24782769I think it's something in the algorithm these days, so many young people are adopting a smug cynicism rooted not in life experience (as previous cynicisms at least pretended to be) but in doom scrolling.
>>24775613That's because it's a National Socialist reading list, not a Fascist one. Pretty distinct but they just got lumped together due to commies wanting to pretend they were going to be the winners over capitalism. So Fascism got big in Italy -> it's just capitalism. National Socialism got big in Germany -> It's just Fascism. And since then historians took that over and have been trying and failing to justify that position with their "generic fascism". Even for a National Socialist reading list it's pretty heavily outdated since it's from mid to late 2010's. It doesn't include many old important works, books about the pre-Hitler period, many of the early inspirations for Hitlers additions to the ideology and of course misses new good books.
>>24782756Interesting theory anon. I suppose they really do come the closest to approximating what fascists actually wanted to achieve via the state while promoting values completely at odds with those of every fascist ever. Canadians also have this sort of weird civic nationalism drilled into them by their civic institutions and media that's completely unmoored from race or ethnicity (source: I grew up there). ofc it should be noted that "fascist" and "national socialist" are not synonymous
>>24782769I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that the same amount of power the cold has has to be exerted in order to heat yourself.
>>24772108Pretty sure Antelope Hill Publishing released a collection of Mussolini speeches and a short work called "With D'Annunzio in Fiume". There are two essays by Charles Maurras "The Future of the Intelligentsia & For a French Awakening" available. It's nothing too special but he was an important pre-fascist, though most of his work is untranslated.
>>24772208Even Rockwell fell short though. He essentially removed nearly all of the economic aspects of National Socialism from neo-Nazism since he saw it as too socialist for Americans to accept, This led to it being boiled down to not being too different from a generic racist/identitarian ideology, and invited the more boorish crowd associated with that. Even nowadays most people don't know much more besides what Feder wrote.
>There is a great deal of confusion in studying Hitler's family tree. Much of this is due to the fact that the name has been spelled in various ways: Hitler, Hidler, Hiedler, and Huettler. It seems reasonable to suppose, however, that it is fundamentally the same name spelled in various ways by different members of what was basically an illiterate peasant family. Adolf Hitler himself signed his name Hittler on the first Party membership blanks, and his sister usually spells her name as Hiedler. Another element of confusion is introduced by the fact that Adolf's mother's mother was also named Hitler, which later became the family name of his father. Some of this confusion is dissipated, however, when we realize that Adolf's parents had a common ancestor (father's grandfather and mother's great-grandfather), an inhabitant of the culturally backward Waldviertel district of Austria.>Adolf's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. It is generally supposed that the father of Alois Hitler was a Johann Georg Hiedler, a miller's assistant. Alois, however, was not legitimized, and he bore his mother's name until he was forty years of age when he changed it to Hitler. Just why this was done is not clear, but it is generally said among the villagers that it was necessary in order to obtain a legacy. Where the legacy came from is unknown. One could suppose that Johann Georg Hiedler relented on his deathbed and left an inheritance to his illegitimate son together with his name. It seems strange, however, that he did not legitimize the son when he married Anna Schicklgruber thirty-five years earlier. Why the son chose to take the name Hitler instead of Hiedler, if this is the case, is also a mystery that has remained unsolved. Unfortunately, the date of the death of Hiedler has not been established, and consequently we are unable to relate these two events in time. A peculiar series of events, prior to Hitler's birth, furnishes plenty of food for speculation.1/?
>>24783551>There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois. Thyssen and Koehler, for example, claim that Chancellor Dollfuss had ordered the Austrian police to conduct a thorough investigation into the Hitler family. As a result of this investigation a secret document was prepared that proved that Maria Anna Schicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived. At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back to her home in Spital where Alois was born. If it is true that one of the Rothschilds is the real father of Alois Hitler, it would make Adolf a quarter Jew. According to these sources, Adolf Hitler knew of the existence of this document and the incriminating evidence it contained. In order to obtain it he precipitated events in Austria and initiated the assassination of Dollfuss. According to this story, he failed to obtain the document at that time since Dollfuss had secreted it and had told Schuschnigg of its whereabouts so that in the event of his death the independence of Austria would remain assured. Several stories of this general character are in circulation.> Those who lend credence to this story point out several factors that seem to favor its plausibility. >1. That it is unlikely that the miller's assistant in a small village in this district would have very much to leave in the form of a legacy. >2. That it is strange that Johann Hiedler should not claim the boy until thirty-five years after he had married the mother and the mother had died. >3. That if the legacy were left by Hiedler on the condition that Alois take his name, it would not have been possible for him to change it to Hitler. >4. That the intelligence and behavior of Alois, as well as that of his two sons, is completely out of keeping with that usually found in Austrian peasant families. They point out that their ambitiousness and extraordinary political intuition are much more in harmony with the Rothschild tradition. >5. That Alois Schicklgruber left his home village at an early age to seek his fortune in Vienna where his mother had worked. >6. That it would be peculiar for Alois Hitler, while working as a customs official in Braunau, to choose a Jew named Print, of Vienna, to act as Adolf's godfather unless he felt some kinship with the Jews himself.It's interesting to me that the Pentagram website wikipedia ignores this detail about "Hitler's" genealogy and instead points exclusively to a debunked theory.>Nazi Hans Frank suggested that Alois's mother had been employed as a housekeeper by a Jewish family in Graz, & 19-year-old son Leopold Frankenberger had fathered Alois, a claim that called the Frankenberger thesis
Fascism no longer exists in its original form. Capital no longer wants or needs a singular strongman to guarantee endless return on investment. They have been able to expropriate and privatize more or less whatever they want from the commons for decades. Most contemporary self-indentified 'fascists' are lone individuals looking for some kind of transgressive persona in order to scrape some kind of autonomy in a world that affords them less and less.
>>24783720"Fascism" is the name of a dog that the Freemasons brought up.
