I thought Thomas Ligotti was a based working class artist wo it is absolutely brutal to know that Ligotti grew up in one of the most wealthiest suburbs of USA, Grosse Pointe. His father was a businessman. Now all of it makes sense that why Thomas Ligotti "is not interested in human drama". I have noticed this trend among writers that the more upper class they are the less they are interested in "human drama" and show more interest in more philosophical, experimental, aesthete and contemplative emotions. This is further solidifies my thesis that working class can't afford to be philosophical. We talk about real things. Fuck Bougies and their fart sniffing philosophical and experimental bullshit. I'll stick with Checkov and Bukowski.
>>24773003>the more upper class they are the less they are interested in "human drama" and show more interest in more philosophical, experimental, aesthete and contemplative emotionsBut aren't they giving us a foretaste of what everyone will be able to care about once we reach a classless society?
>>24773003I don't know why but I find it annoying when people obsess over being working class and make a virtue out of it in this way. My working class grandmother read Proust and Dostoevsky !
>>24773003the working class is not real you goober. get over it.
>>24773003>We talk about real things.Such as?
>caring or pretending to care about this
>>24773088ingrown toenails and insurance policies
>>24773093Fuck off with basedence. It is the domain of most insufferable middle class retards who larp as rich people but are too retarded to see that old money is only intellectually interested in arts, philosophy and humanities.
>>24773070How so? >>24773088Read Chekhov
>>24773094I once eavesdropped on two old men having a conversation on public transport. One of them was earnestly talking about how durable his Makita radio is. It was very entertaining.
>>24773003I have no respect for a criminal bourgeoisie wich in France went to power by mass murdering thousands of French people and nobles during their 'Revolution'.Or for the German burgeoisie, who got rich through imitating and licking the asses of German noblemen and letting them fuck their daughters.There is nothing prestigious about being an ignoble, cowardly corrupt and greedy burgeois. Anyone who identifies with 'being rich' is nothing but a useless waste of the lowest peasant filth, raised to a material wealth far too big for his peasant peacock brain, a wealth achieved through nothing but trickery, selfishness and greed.King David was born a herdsmen, like all great men of history.
>>24773003Anytime I here people talking about the "teleological suspension of the ethical" or "Hegelian dialectics" I feel the need to say "Mate do you do shites? Do you piss and fart and cum and all the rest of it? Because you're talking like you don't"
>>24773130I should have mentioned that Ligotti is NOT a nepobaby. He has wage slaved in Gale publishing for 25 years. Ligotti is very modest and solitary man. But considering that he came from a rich family kinda fucked with my working class pleb brain.
>>24773133What is your point?
>>24773068Proust doesn't seem like he'd appeal to the working class. Dostoyevsky, sure.
>>24773143Define rich
>>24773143You’re a retard
>>24773114Fuckin based. That's the real poetry of life. Part of why I have never been able to get on with the modern poets who explicitly invoke the muses and rely on obscure references to greek theater and shit like that. It's just too detached from the ray of lights that i've been lucky enough to bathe in on a regular basis. Life is grand.
>>24773133Funnily enough I grew up on deprecated farm land in the midwest. My grandfather and father were both truck drivers. I actually read Hegel, Locke, Hobbes, Kant, etc and write essays on related subjects. Go figure. Its almost as if some people aren't walking stereotypes.
>>24773146Far too many 'intellectuals' spend their time in the world of books and ideas rather than living in the real world. People like Schopenhauer for example who are born rich, live rich and die rich without ever working a real job for a day in their lives or knowing what it's like to actually struggle. They therefore invent problems to solve and spend all their time focused on things that people living real lives don't have time to bother with. I feel much more at home speaking to someone on welfare, or who is a drug addict, or works in a bar than speaking to some university educated upperclasshole because those aforementioned people are real people who actually have to deal with the bullshit that life throws at you rather than sitting around inventing problems for yourself to solve.I am reminded of that passage in 2666 where a character hangs a book about geometry on a washing line outside and says "I want to see how it reacts to the real world." That I think is the essence of what I'm saying.
>>24773003>white>"working class"lmao
>>24773149Elitist writers like Lovecraft, Machen, Dunsany, Blackwood, Ligotti etc. All of supernatural horror writers are from wealthy backgrounds. >>24773155You are trying to larp as le aristocratic intellectual. >>24773167Kek, based. I can now see it.
>>24773167While I can somewhat sympathize with your sentiment, I think you're ultimately being too reductive. Those people aren't ''inventing'' new problems to solve, but every person has a different set of parameters built into them which changes the way they approach which then ultimately makes them solve different kinds of problems than what your average Mississippi country boy has to deal with, because everybody has a different role that they have to deal with. Sure a lot of philosophy, or at least people who like to talk about philosophy, are very neurotic, but that doesn't mean they're automatically secluding themselves in a realm of 'nonsense' as a way to cope or whatever. It's a vast, complex world, and everything is interconnected. Different sensibilities, yada yada.
>>24773197NTA But everyone has a philosophy, this comes before all declines and facets of life. Questions like is all of this a dream? Renders all of this talk about le real things and working class useless.
>>24773216philosophy is just code for ''the way of thinking about ___'', and that's a universal thing
>>24773188> Elitist writers like Lovecraft, Machen, Dunsany, Blackwood, Ligotti etc. All of supernatural horror writers are from wealthy backgroundsI generally don't judge people by how wealthy they are but by the basedness level of their character and life experience. Take Humboldt for example. Born into a superrich 18th Century family. Grew up in a literal chateau. Studied in am elite college. But the man had, let's say something of an elite spirit too. He became a geologist at the age of 21. He would go to caves. He would join his working class co-workers in the mines. He established a school for them.Next thing he starts 'training' for his expedition to the Americas. Sleeps inside his uniform outside while it's raining. 'I'm training', he says.Spends a whole decade adventuring to the jungle, climbing the biggest mountain peaks and struggling with ooga boogas together with his French companion.Returns to Europe as a renown and accomplished geographer.I can look over the fact that someone is 'upper class' when he is ready for boldness and adventure.
>>24773003Damn, OP you are a pseud. Literature first and foremost is an entertainment. Ligotti himself said that he writes for escapism sometimes and for ego stroking sometimes etc. Ligotti's primarily deals with fear. Who hasn't felt fear in their lives? He talks about the misery of a single person and what is more dignified than to present the suffering of one man? Don't you know that mental institutions and drug centers are filled with working class people? Yes, you will find all of their struggles within Ligotti's work. You need to separate art from the artist. Millions of people are rich but how many of them can write like Ligotti? Not many. Judge just the art and not the artist. You can read all of his work for free on anna's archive and he doesn't give a damn about copyright and shit like that. Judging by his interviews Ligotti is an extremely unpretentious man. You are a filtered pseud.
>>24773003the working class are philistines, why would you want to be embraced by them?
>>24773315Then who reads thousands of volumes of commie cultural critique?
>>24773350Nice bait MI5, I'm not blowing my organisation.
>another leftist turns out to be a rich guythis is why the working class rejects leftism, it's a bourgeois ideology.
>>24773357>blowing my organizationWhich position? Who's the most hung?
>>24773315Ah so the truth comes out. It seems the only true instance of real, existing communism was in the Khmer Rouge.
>>24773366Ligotti larps as a leftist for good PR like every intelligent artist from rich background. There is no hope in his work and he worked in downtown Detroit. He saw the what happens to "progress" inside his own city. I don't know how any commie would digest his absolute pessimism. I would go ahead and call Ligotti a reactionary writer if you want to interpret his as political.
>>24773188Sure, whatever you say pal.
