what do you think about this? is this a good or bad move? reading books used to be something a lot people did for fun. now it's a specialist skill that has to be taught by universities. in the near future reading books will be considered a lightly intellectual and esoteric hobby, like playing the mandolin or learning Mandarin
>>24773946Or peeling mandarins
>>24773946books are a late invention. we will see human sacrifice resurface before the return of mass literacy
>>24773946When was this published?
>>24773954it's from recent issue of The Times
>>24773946>using book jacket design as part of the assessment processThey're literally judging books by their cover! The books are now too hard to concentrate in reading so they have resorted to reviewing them as items as if they are something completely alien. "Hmm well it's got a nice picture, and the binding is good, the picture makes me feel... happy, and curious about what's inside the book. Too bad I can't read it and find out."
>>24773946Do you think people will pay for someone to read out loud for them or will they simply use AI for that?
>>24773954Looks like this article https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/universities-teaching-literature-students-how-to-cope-with-long-novels-8bwgscp7k
>>24773946>have problem>provide solutionOh no, how terrible!
I never went to college, but, from what I heard, it's full of dumb stuff like this. My cousin wanted to get a degree in German literature at the best university in my country, and he was surprised because the mandatory reading list was the stuff he was reading when he was, like, 16 years old (he's an autistic obsessed with Goethe). Then, like 2 years in, they tried to force him to get a low paying job in a school, or he wouldn't keep going forward, so he left because he was making more money fixing diesel generators to provide for his family.
>>24774340that is true for humanities degree, not so much for STEM. Good for your cousin, though
>>24774340I'm taking an English class right now and this is our reading list:
>>24773946This is dumb. If academia is going to do this then it should be done for all disciplines.
>>24774338I'm not criticizing the idea. I merely reflect the current condition of society
>>24773946You hear a lot about "critical race theory" but you don't hear much about how "critical reading" replaced phonics and created a generation of retards. https://youtu.be/8ynCVmw5AWk>>24774366You only read 4 books in the entire course? Holy shit that's retarded.
>>24773946>lessons in reading a bookI've only seen manosphere-adjacent spergs being obsessed with how to read a book.Lit faculties are full of women, who cannot be autistic, so for them reading books comes natural.>what do you think about this? What usually happens in lit degrees is that they have to read around 20 pages of a work in the days between lectures.You get used to that kind of "pace", so reading a random doorstopper in the meantime is fucking impossible.>is this a good or bad moveUseless move. These people will go back reading the longer stuff as soon as they stop shuffling between 6 different novel extracts each week (see what Oprah Winfrey's book club picks). Those who wanna slog through a War and Piece won't need a tutor for it, I can tell you that.>reading books used to be something a lot people did for fun. False. People use chats all the time, which back in the days you would call letters. They use Excel, ChatGPT, they sit alone in their homes posting on X.The stats don't take all that into account, because they are made by boomers who think reading is only that "esoteric" activity of picking up a book in the middle of the public park.>now it's a specialist skill that has to be taught by universities. Again, false. College students read faster, but that doesn't mean they will be able to read more of the same thing.>in the near future reading books will be considered a lightly intellectual and esoteric hobby, like playing the mandolin or learning MandarinExactly like it has always been.>>24774398>You only read 4 books in the entire course? Holy shit that's retarded.Haven't you noticed how anon didn't post the recommended reading material, but rather the course description?That's because it's usually picrel what these folks read. Novels function as clickbait in these courses.
>>24774398New Second Story? Fuck yeah.
>>24773946Just because one does something for fun doesn’t mean he couldn’t stand to get better at itI probably have unexamined skill issues for reading
>>24773946Can we go back to Egyptian society where only a few people could read and write and everyone else was an illiterate retard serf and scribes would be paid fat stacks
>>24773946Somehow, reading and writing, and engaging with the classical humanities, needs to become a status symbol. Kinda like how the gym and being fit has become a status symbol. And there are parallels. Like how tech made society very sedentary, so bad health became common. And going to the gym, running,etc, and being fit are status symbols now. Well, I swear tech is going to do the same thing with peoples minds. We are going to get the equivalent for fat, sedentary brain, where large parts of the population literally know nothing and have off-loaded their thinking to a machine.
>>24774488shut tf up conspirator go chase after ftm somewhere else
>>24773970>>24774385You can’t even compose proper sentences.
>>24774398>click ‘embed’>52 minutes long>click ‘remove’
>>24774366>JK RowlingJesus H. Christ ...
>>24774488>women, who cannot be autisticNeither can men, since autism is completely made up.
>>24774896t. not an autist
>>24773946My hot take is that this is just cope for niggers and miscellaneous browns who get filtered by Harry Potter while teachers blame tiktok.No, I'm not going to look for it myself, but if someone can show that european countries with high levels of native population homogeneity are facing similar problems then I'll believe it. The fact this is in the UK which has been flooded with niggers, inbred pakis, and indians just reinforces my point.
>>24774895The bizarre thing is it’s chamber of secrets known as one of the weakest entries. I’d have gone with Azkaban cause there’s some interesting plotting techniques with the time and shit. Foreshadowing it with hermoine, having the climax and then having the reveal after it. Of all the potter books is the most technically and compositionally experimental.
>>24773946Speech to text is now at a level where reading is superfluous except for labels and things and AI can write essays on books better than 99.999% of people already making the skill IRRELEVANT. Education should focus on JOBS. AI will take a lot of jobs so competition is about to get TOUGH. If you can't hack it, to the scrap heap you go. But for the few who can still get good incomes to own capital, it will be paradise. The rest will compete in brutal conditions as 100+ people apply for every menial job opening. If you study lit you WILL end up BEGGING to unclog my toilet.
>>24774895And if they are going to do Harry Potter, at least do the full series.
>>24774973Nah that’s not entirely necessary because it becomes episodes for the sake of episodes. The first few books are more individual and have comfy non-essential chapters that simply explore the school and universe (Im not using the typical term because isnt has a shitty connotation).
>>24774366>Other majors who read and write.
>>24774356>not so much for STEMMost universities in the West significantly dumbed down undergraduate courses and have been resorting to measures such as the heinous American tradition of curving grades for a while now. Fresh graduates are more often than not completely unqualified for any meaningful work and require either extensive training in early career or postgraduate studies.
>>24774850Kys tranny.YWNBAM.>>24774896If you feel the need to learn how to read a book, you are autistic.Mental retardation is a very real phenomenon and, if not addressed properly, you end up with non-readers plaguing reader spaces.We already have women shitting up literature, if the only men approaching it are autists, there is no way we'll have another Great American Novel before the Great Reset.
>>24774366I major in lit and we have 10-15 books per course
>>24773946I know I sound like a poltard screeching about the "green jew", but weed use threw me off of reading back in high school. The majority of people I know in my age bracket smoke weed on a regular basis and from personal experience, the two are simply not compatible. I've been off drugs and alcohol over a year now and I've read more books than in all the combined years I was a druggie.
>>24775018I smoked for 15 years, stopped for the last 3 and I’d concur.
>>24775028Right on man, good for you.
>>24774992You can go without the in the west bit, the mass education meme is no better elsewhere
>>24775018Yeah it is not possible to read anything remotely challenging while stoned. And if you get stoned early in the day it will make it hard to read for the entire rest of the day even if you're not high anymore.
>>24775125>>24775018It's a learned habit. I found getting high and listening to fiction or dramas I knew well could sometimes be a solid experience. I particularly remember a fine evening listening to the Divine Comedy, although I had read and studied it prior (I even took a graduate seminar just on the Commedia).It can take a rough turn though. I once ate too many edibles and started reading Jacob Boehme's The Signature in All Things and it resulted in an acutely terrible experience. I somewhat blame the source material because I had a lovely night once spent with Eriugena and the Book of Isaiah.But all things in moderation. I didn't use weed at all until my youngest was past being a toddler, so that was a long gap, and I indulge a few times a year when I know I'll be undisturbed for a night.
>>24775142Cicero's Scipio's Dream is another I've listened to straight through on edibles after having been recently studying Calcidius, Proclus, and Origen. Good stuff
>>24773946It’s scarier in the serious disciplines where you're actually supposed to learn something not just opine about le arts. Doctors 5 years from now haven’t read half of what people did 20 years ago. They get answers from a fucking LLM that lies half the time. A pain in your head? We must remove your testicles I’n afraid.
>>24775150The studies on the rapidity with which LLMs degrade diagnostic accuracy and efficiency is fairly troubling.Tangentially related is the way taking economics courses reliably makes people more selfish. This is pretty sad since under liberalism political-economy dominates policymaking and yet its anthropology (Homo oecononimicus) isn't an "empirical finding" but a dogmatic presupposition through which all data is interpreted (making it unfalsifiable).Unfortunately, LLMs have also been trained on utilitarianism and Rawlianism, so they will only accelerate our Neoliberal hellscape.
>>24774488>"...we will also read [4 books]". >"...this is our reading list".You're retarded. They're only reading 4 books (alongside a course reader consisting of excerpts related to the bullshit "theoretical apparatus" they're being passively indoctrinated into).
>>24774494Great channel. >>24774892Your loss. The one about smut is only 37mins: https://youtu.be/ffvRhsViyIQ
>>24775256>>24774398>Women makes 10 mediocre videos yapping about "story telling" going down the drain>gets 100k subscribersexactly why literature is women focused these days
>>24775252>>"...we will also read [4 books]".>also>They're only reading 4 books (alongside>alongsideThanks for agreeing with me. I should add, the "four genres of literary classics" include nonfiction, which I don't see referenced in the course description, so I would presume they not only have (at least) one course reader, but there should also be a nonfic that they will have to read. We are (at least) at 6 books that they will have to read for this one course.
>>24775150Yes it is astonishing how people who are supposed to be at least reasonably intelligent are willing to outsource their thinking to a glorified autocorrect. That's what's scary about all of this, how much blind trust people put in these very stupid programs. They eat up so much energy and data not because they're Super Duper Advanced but because they're extremely primitive. It took a ton of energy to build Stonehenge, too.
>>24775256Anon I don’t even watch porn videos that go beyond 30 minutes why would I watch some fully clothed lady seething about books?
>>24775279Cool opinion, bro. Next time watch one of the videos first.
>>24775306>alongsideI knew you were going to get pedantic over those 2 words while conveniently ignoring anon said it was his reading list so I pointed out other reading is related to the "theoretical apparatus" bullshit, retard. Work on your reading comprehension.
>>24774896The classification of behavioral constructs is basically alchemy but traits categorized as ASD definitely exist even if it's over diagnosed right now.
>>24775373Sorry porn destroyed your attention span, anon. Good luck with that.
>>24775449I doubt that viewing porn now and then destroys attention span but social media like 4chan definitely does.
>>24775453Someone who sees a woman and automatically thinks about porn isn't watching it "every now and then", retard. Nice try but in trying to be an edgelord you ended up telling on yourself.
>>24775411>ignoring anon said it was his reading list so I pointed out other reading is related to the "theoretical apparatus" bullshitYou do realize anon can, idk, lie? What do you think is more bait, the fact that you have to read Harry Potter in a university, or arguing that the recommended course reader is not very intellectually stimulating?As you very conveniently ignored, I pointed out that the course description lacks a nonfic recommendation, which discredits the credibility of anon. The presence of two different novels (of which one is clearly not a literary classic), while the teach was talking about the four genres of literary classics, also points out that that list is not complete.There are too many incongruences between the post and the picrel to trust anon.You are the one with issues with reading comprehension: you don't notice the author's intent, and inconsistencies in his text. He (poorly) manipulated the text in order to support his thesis.Do you even know what reading comprehension means, anon? Ignoring something doesn't equal to not understanding it.
I read books but I'm not writing essays about the themes of the text or examining the literary techniques. Just reading the book isn't hard or anything more difficult than taking in the text.
>>24775478>tl;drHe said it was his reading list. There are 4 books. Context clues indicate other reading is the ideological indoctrination bullshit. Simple as.P.S. Those diagrams are retarded.
>>24775462Someone who sees a woman and automatically thinks about sex is a normal man. You probably have a bunch of microplastics in your diet or perhaps are a homosexual.
>>24775500>Someone who sees a woman and automatically thinks about sex is a normal man.Cool but your brain automatically went to porn though, edgelord.
>>24775494>Doesn't elaborate on what "context clues" he used to come to his conclusion>Has to repeat for the third time "indoctrination bullshit">Refuses to discuss any of the points I presented to himSure buddy, whatever you say.Good luck with your reading comprehension journey.
>>24775506Well yeah because it's a picture. I'm not even the original anon, anon.
>>24775500Someone who instantly thinks of sex when they see a woman isn't normal at all. Only the normalization of degeneracy makes you think that.
>>24775514>needs handholding for context clues>can't make the connection between "theoretical apparatus" and "critical reading">mad I didn't need to read his midwit post >[at least he stopped posting those embarrassing creative writing diagrams]You should make whatever school your went to give you your money back, anon.
>>24775520>m'lady.jpg
>>24775518>all pictures of women are pornMight as well be the same guy. Simple as.
>>24775527How many times did you think about having sex with your mother or that woman with the particularly unattractive face or those old shriveled grannies you passed by in the park? 'Cause that ain't normal.
>>24775535I think "man too bad she isn't more attractive", or "man I bet she was attractive when she was younger though". With family there is a mental block. Normal adult male psychology.
>>24775535>How many times did you think about having sex with your motherTOPKEK. /lit/, never change.>>24775524It's suprising how much you failed to understand the point of any of my greentexts. Are you autistic?
>>24775549>can't respond to direct criticism>tried to give a parting shot but came backAre you a vulnerable narcissist/midwit or just low IQ?
>>24775539>too bad she isn't more attractive", or "man I bet she was attractive when she was younger thoughMoving goalposts now lol. Those were special examples, but even the majority of average-looking women you pass by won't invoke desire in a normal healthy male.The only time you instantly think sex when you see a woman is when she's attractive.Being a incel or lecher isn't normal.
>>24775158LLMs have been trained on essentially all extant human-created content in the world. The problem is that the amount of extant human-created content is almost entirely contemporary. Much of classical content has either been lost or never digitized, and there's more humans online today than existed in the world 300 years ago. Even without curating the training set or forcing the model to deny reality, all models will tend heavily towards neoliberal thought because other outlooks statistically might as well not even exist.
>>24773946Lmao, it's the same as studying philosophy, just start thinking and you're already a master at it. How the hell is reading hard?
>>24775561>direct criticismYou forget that you give me a "tl;dr", then repeated what I disproved in the post you "tl;dr". (While at it, I also have to point out that you said "tl;dr" to my post, and then called it "midwit"... Contexual clues tell me you just had no rebutal to it and hid behind "your post is too long for me to read it").>tried to give a parting shot but came backHonestly I hoped for you to actually address my points instead of conceding in such an unelegant manner.Was your post supposed to be a parting shot? It felt like bait, ngl.>Are you a vulnerable narcissist/midwit or just low IQ?The fact that instead of engaging in a discussion, you degenerated it into a namecalling competition speaks of how retarded (You) are.Also, narcissist/midwit, those are two completely different things. Why the slash?Since your reading comprehension is very lacking, I'm going to tell you directly: you bore me, anon. Now you either actually start discussing, or I won't give you any more (You)s.
>>24775589I've come to learn that for even rudimentary activities such as eating, drinking, and walking, most people never learn to do them the right way. It isn't surprising to hear they also read improperly as well.
>>24775609I never knew my teeth were supposed to be aligned so whenever the dentist told me 'does it feel right' after a filling I never knew how to answer because I was never taught what the right jaw posture was supposed to be.
>>24775620At what age do most people start getting fillings?
>>24775674Depends on if you have bad teeth genes or eat alow of sweets, I was in primary school when I got silver caps on my teeth
>>24775142How cute
>>24775256>The one about smut is only 37mins: https://youtu.be/ffvRhsViyIQ [Embed]God, shes into such kinky sex its so obvious. Hot!
>>24775687Is it normal for some people to never get them?
>>24775717Yeah, some lucky bastards don't have the specific bacteria that causes tooth cavities
>>24775595>spergNot reading all that, sperg.
>>24774998you will never be loved doe, which I think is worseEven your own mother resents what failure of a human being you've become
>>24775818>Even your own mother resents what failure of a human being you've become>Anon doesn't know what unconditional love isBit sad that you project your absence of loving parents onto me, tranny. But much probably, (You) were the reason why they stopped loving you, if they ever loved you in the first place.
>>24775717>>24775726I thought i was one of these so i hardly took proper care of my teeth and ate tons of sweets all my life, but in my 30s i got two cavities.
>Arguing with a namefag >Spending so much time here you know he's a tranny chaser
>>24776146>Spending so much time hereHere? Anon *here* you'd either think I'm a woman because I constantly post about how shit is every "BookTok is evil" thread, or that I am a chud, with the kinds of books I recommend (Bible, first and foremost).You are a filthy tranny from /lgbt/ who is butthurt that I assblasted your ftm generals so fucking hard one of yours detrooned and two other stopped posting altogether. That's where you trannies started repeating that I am an ftm chaser, because you women have 0 self-esteem and degrading you to simple sexual objects is all you crave for.You keep making shit up, over and over again, in the hopes something might stick. No argument to anything I say. Can you imagine? A fucking retarded gullible OP posts a photoshopped article that says you need to learn how to read a book in uni and everyone, like sheeps, follow it.A couple zippertits gets butthurt that I didn't post something performatively masculine and this makes them seethe so much that they start saying that I wanna fuck them. Do they even fucking notice this has nothing do with the discussion at hand? No. Self-absorbed, self-hating women who must self-insert in anything they interract with.And someone might say "who cares if some woman posts on /lit/?" They are the symptom. You can already see how gullible and retarded everyone else is.Women follow trends, they won't start using 4chan unless there is a man just as retarded as they are who recommends them this website. /lit/ is slowly turning into /mu/, i.e. poptimism and retards seething at the Billboard 100.
>>24773949or daring a man to fuck you.
>>24773946what the text says>SOME institutions are offering "reading resilience" coursewhat some anon who can't read beyond the headline>reading books used to be something a lot people did for fun. now it's a specialist skill that has to be taught by universitiesyou know you could use one of those "reading resilience" course yourself, anon
>>24776828>butthurt that I assblasted your ftm generals so fucking hard one of yours detrooned and two other stopped posting altogether.qrd
>>24775018>the saddest words of mouth or pen are these: /pol/ was right again
>>24775256bitch needs an eyeroll counter at the bottom of the screen
>>24773946Well, I think reading offers a unique experience that cannot be replicated by any other method of learning/information transfer. People have been calling for the death of the book for a long time now, but it seems to keep living. The challenge is that internet usage, and the mind that develops from it, is completely opposite of the reading mindset. I do wonder if reading will become a form of exercise, like how people lift weight and job, used to train attention, concentration, immersion etc.
>>24775279She does exactly what we do over here, except she dumbs it down for retards.
>>24775256>Listen to a foid discuss the problems with literature and storytelling. No thank you. I have never had a w*man tell me something that I didn’t already know. And she probably misdiagnoses the problems or talks about them in some retarded kind of way
