Is Adorno a noble jew, or should I just avoid him?
>>24777148there are no noble jews they are always helping their in group but they can still be right about stuff and have some insights but they are still your enemy
>>24777151Finkelstein
>>24777148Schoenberg is infinitely superior to Adorno but most people just read the latter because they are fucking retarded.
>>24777151piss off
>>24777148Benjamin is better
>>24777148I think Minima Moralia is one of the most relevant books we have, but (as you could surely guess) joking about whether a writer deserves Noble Jew status is a classic example of the kind of flippant and cliched inhumanity that Adorno's trying to grapple with, so I don't know why you're interested in reading it.
>>24777183Netanyahu?>>24777190Not a joke. Most jews are rotten. The good ones have all converted. While on the contrary, jewish behavior is all too human. The animal and the plant are more honoured than the jew.
>>24777158let me know where he talked about immigration which has basically destroyed the US, or interacted with people like Pat Buchanan who was against israel before norman and was pilloried for it and attacked as an anti-semite. I'm sure norman and him could have done something together, did they? Or did norman just take the anti-israel stuff and totally disconnect it from the anti-immigration stuff.He is extremely anti discrimination and compares israel to "how horrible" the US was back when we had discrimination here. The fundamental issue is jews are just ethnically a global population with global self interest and no attachment to a particular country, so will always be acting to undermine particular local countries and bring things into the global machine (because of jews being international this helps them and protects them from the spectre of antisemitism they are always worried about)Even if they are right about some things their self-interest will always be in principle opposed to any particular nation state, which is why they always push for more immigration everywhere. People can never escape their self interest we are still fundamentally animals that exist for the propagation of our genes. He is against Israel because they are discriminatory and not sufficiently moral in the liberal universal sense. He is an advocate of the ideals destroying the west and the US in particular. >FINKELSTEIN: I understand what you’re asking me, and I think it’s a tough question on what rights does a state have to regulate the ethnic balance of a state. In my opinion, it’s a tough question. JAY: ‘Cause then you could argue the United States could want more white people and start having–. FINKELSTEIN: Right. The United States did that for a very long time. JAY: And to a large extent, a lot of these countries still do. FINKELSTEIN: It discriminated against South Europeans, Italians. And of course it discriminated against Jews in its various immigration laws in the early part of the century, the 1924 immigration law. Yeah, the United States did that. Now our policy is it discriminates on the basis of job qualifications. If you have a professional capacity which is useful, then you get some sort of priority in our immigration and you’re not allowed to discriminate again on the basis of religion.>>24777214jews are not "too human" they are specifically anti-human, being an international community specifically makes that inescapable.
>>24777214>Netanyahu?They mean Walter.>Not a joke.Well, read it anyway. I think everyone should. So much of it seems directed at the automatic ways in which people on /lit/ think.
>>24777148I'd say Minima Moralia is worth reading, he offers an interesting critique of psychoanalysis towards the end of Part One and the final aphorism on redemption is pretty inspiring even if you reject everything else he's written. Still, you have to keep in mind that Adorno is ultimately working within a negative system (in both the literal and colloquial sense), so a lot of his writing becomes almost hysterical in its desire to find fragmentation and false consciousness within everyday life. I'd say it's worth reading, but as a supplement, also read Sloterdijk's Critique of Cynical Reason to understand where his shortcomings lie.
>>24778033Checked. Based knowledgeable post.
>>24777148Adorno read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and got so butthurt he wrote The Authoritarian Personality.Fuck these people.
I refuse to believe that /lit/ thinks jewish people are all some kind of hivemind with the same opinions on everything. that is some sub 80IQ shit
>>24777148Mix of both
>>24778076Where have you been the last ten years?
>>24778076Shalom.
>>24777148He's really good and interesting. His opposition to consumerism is strong and admirable. I just like the guy. For reference I'm a WW2 revisionist and my favorite artist is Richard Wagner>>24777166Schoenberg getting pissed at Thomas Mann and Adorno in California for their use of his work is pretty hilarious
I'll add this kind of philosophy is impressionistic so don't take it to seriously, it's meant to be enjoyed. He cares about freedom which is the most important thing>Separated-united. – Marriage, whose despicable parody lives on in a time when the basis of the human right of marriage has been withdrawn, serves today mostly as a trick of self-preservation: each of the two conspirators deflects the responsibility for any villainy which they might commit onto the other, while in truth they exist together opaquely and swampily. The only proper marriage would be one, in which both have an independent life for themselves, without the fusion which rests on an economically compulsory community of interest, but which instead would involve taking mutual responsibility for each other out of freedom. Marriage as a community of interest inexorably signifies the degradation of the interested parties, and what is perfidious about the existing state of affairs, is that no-one, even if one knew of this, can avoid such degradation. Sometimes one might entertain the thought that it is only those who are emancipated from the pursuit of interests, that is to say the rich, who retain the possibility of a marriage without shame. But this possibility is entirely formal, because those who are privileged are precisely the ones to whom the pursuit of interests has become second nature – otherwise they would not maintain their privileges.
>>24778076Their in-group preference is extremely strong, and they tend to prefer subterfuge and subversion to advance their points. This seems to hold regardless of what industry they are in or what their ostensible politics are.Maybe not a hivemind, but it's hard to ignore that they all tend to behave rather similarly. Similarly in a way that is not always in the best interests of non-Jews, I might add.
>>24777158Finkelstein established the framework that retarded shabbos like you use to justify your philosemitism lmao
>>24778076As a Jew I'm really sick of listening to Jewish opinions because I had enough of that growing up. Though I suppose goyim grow up with TVs nowadays which is basically the same, give or take.I can read maybe 1 or 2 Jew-books a year.
>>24778763Based, there's something admirable to him even from a traditionalist perspective. He condemned modern culture, constantly showed an appreciation for German art and literature, critiqued the Enlightenment, and opposed Bolshevism. I think more on the right would really like him if they gave him a chance.
>>24778763Schoenberg was unironically a chad and it is insulting to even consider comparing him to trust funded retarded faggots like Adorno and Mann.
>>24777148The way I see it is that Adorno cannot be avoided if you want to understand the current world order. I've 'hate-read' quite a bit of his stuff. I recently read his Jargon of Authenticity as I went down an Alex Karp rabbit hole.
>>24778076they're not. and I'm pretty reactionary, but it is what it is
>>24779425The entire problem with the Jews is that the vast majority of them hate everything associated with the West. Specifically, most of them hate White people, hate Europe, and hate Christianity, especially Catholicism.You can pretty easily guess why, but this hatred is almost universal for them. It manifests in different ways for different Jews in different positions of power and walks of life, but the hate is ever-present and is the through-line that explains a lot of their behavior, especially when they get into positions of cultural influence like in the entertainment industry.It simply can't be avoided and if you're a White Christian of European descent you've got to come to terms with it, and decide what you're going to do about it. At minimum it makes the Catholic Church's attempt at rapproachement with them doomed from the start. Nostra Aetate is basically a dead letter.
>>24778945What do you see Jargon of Authenticity's relation to Alex Karp as?
>>24779448NTA but Adorno would certainly loathe Karp
>>24779479Yeah but is there a single person who doesn't
He's pretty good but like every thinker, he has some dumb shit, like his views on working out.
I to this day have literally zero idea why conservatives have any problem with a group of guys why critique capitalism because it wants to turn human culture into a commodity. Anyway, Adorno, Horkheimer and the gang pretty much accurately predicted the hellworld that scientific capitalism was going to produce, and all conservative thinkers have managed to do us seethe very hard
>>24777174Piss on
>>24779647imagine capitalism but... not do bad thing... crazy... or even national socialism but... not do bad thing... impossibru!!! over 9000!you're prognostication for future economic system? what gender will the bank notes be?
>>24779432oh yeah, I know. I just think its a futile task to go after every single one of them, and even if we did and removed every last one of them, we'd attack each other for another reason. It's like what Schopenhauer said about utopias.
The enraged man always appears as the gang-leader of his own self, giving his unconscious the order to pull no punches, his eyes shining with the satisfaction of speaking for the many that he himself is.The more someone has espoused the cause of his own aggression, the more perfectly he represents the repressive principle of society. In this sense more than in any other, perhaps, the proposition is true that the most individual is the most general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yln7waqlFvY
>>24779647I was reading Adorno's culture criticism at the same time I was Evola and honestly they were of the same spirit, Evola more amateur and Adorno more obscure. But people are just invested in the system, to become free you have to desire it and most don't
what kind of art and culture did this master aesthete champion in his writings though
>>24780918forgot pic
>>24778076you can't read! I explained my views quite clearly>>24777228Where do I suggest anything about them being a hivemind? They share genes and a self-interest and history, that's sufficient for my account.
>>24779647people had already been describing this for a century, i don't care if some dude can regurgitate other better writings with commie flavor
I read his book on Kierkegaard and it was retarded
