Why do the rich worship Jesus if he considered them his enemies at the time along with the pharisees? The Sermon on the Mount is literally a proto-communist manifesto.
>>24778791>Jesus is proto-commieGo highlight the part where Christ says class warfare is the great evil and that everybody should work equally and the poor should kill the rich and take all their shit and distribute it out to each other. You've never read a Bible. You're doing that same retarded commie shit people have been doing for years where you try to claim telling people they should WANT to give to each other is the same as the government mandating it for you under threat of violence. The point is that you choose to do it. If the poor takes your charity by force they're thieves. Maybe I should buttfuck you and then you can write that off on your taxes as charity.
>>24778791Why do Christians worship the intellectual descendants of the Pharisees despite being told they were bad?
>>24778855>intellectual descendants of the Pharisees Elaborate.
>>24778858Rabbinical Judaism relies on the Talmud which was composed by the Pharisees in Babylon in the 5th century. Intellectually. The actual ancestry of the current (non-Sephardic) Israeli population is just random European (with major bottle necking in the early middle ages) with presumably a little bit of actual classical hebrew ancestry.
>>24778858Sorry to double post but realized I forgot this. The Palestinians are genetically the same people who lived there from the bronze age to present times, as their was no genocidal conquest of Canaan. The ancient Israelites became the Classical Jews of Herod, who became the Christian inhabitants of that area under the Byzantines, who became the Muslim inhabitants who are still there. They just converted religion.
These proto arguments are silly because you can assign almost anything as proto-communist or proto-fascist.Jesus did say it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God. But here's the thing. That includes you as well right? By today's standards we are all rich. Let's stew on that.
>>24778878>>24778890I agree with all of that. If you're asking why American Christians are too often lackeys for Israel, that's because of Jewish infiltration of the church. Israeli influence lobbies Christian leadership the same way it corrupts politicians. There's more to it than that historically, but that's what's most relevant. It also doesn't help that most of them don't actually read their fucking Bibles and when Ted Cruz or Joel Osteen says the Bible tells them to support Israel they just believe it.
>>24778950It was a big brain move if the Zionist movement to name their country Israel. Very good branding, which is what it as as that makes zero sense as a name as they aren't even claiming to be descendants of the inhabitants of Israel, they are claiming Judah.
>>24778847Mark 10:23/24Matthew 19:21Luke 18:22
>>24778958That's exactly what that anon said. Didn't you read his comment? Giving your riches to charity =/= violently get your riches stolen
If you want a cool and very controversial read in current radical Catholic theology (actual stuff that is being debated bs cringe trad cath TLM Anglo larper shit). Keep in mind that Francis and Leo both have read this and Francis praised him at his funeral.
Christianity is communism (ish) with the expectation that God will eventually get around to doing the just redistribution by force>But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation. Woe to you who are full now, for you will be hungry. Woe to you who are laughing now, for you will mourn and weep. (Luke 6)>The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was being tormented, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side. He called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in agony in these flames.’ But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things and Lazarus in like manner evil things, but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony. (Luke 16)>Come now, you rich people, weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you. Your riches have rotted, and your clothes are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you, and it will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure during the last days. (James 5)In the mean time Christians are supposed to "Give to everyone who asks of you, and if anyone takes away what is yours, do not ask for it back again." (Luke 6:30) and "Sell your possessions and give alms." (Luke 12:33) in line with "none of you can become my disciple if you do not give up all your possessions" (Luke 14:33) .And probably the most functional way to do that long term-ish is to live in a commune following "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" like they do in Acts.
>>24778974Liberation Theology is too materialist. Even Oscar Romero wasn't really a liberation theology guy. It functionally denies the Resurrection and the Life to Come by positing that the Kingdom of God will be fully realized in this lifetime. Both Ratzinger and Müller were right to put the kibosh on it.
>>24779033They stopped it for a time. But it's back and growing in influence.
>>24778950Ehh, actually reading the Bible is a sign of a layperson beinga protestant or an ex-protestant convert.
>>24778791Why shouldn't they worship Jesus? If they took him seriously and followed his commandments to love God and love your neighbor, the whole world would be better off. The same is true of the average Christian.
>>24779078The history books: judges, the Samuels the Kings etc are great reads if you like ancient lit. But yeah, have like no religious value you couldn't learn from a secondary source.
>>24778791Jesus was anti-materialist and therefore not proto-communist or socialist. It's that simple. Even then, the common mentality of the rich(at least in the English speaking world) is too much in love with wealth for the sake of wealth for Christ's liking.
>>24779051What is "back" is Christ Crucified and Christ Risen. Pope Leo mentions these all the time. But then, they never really left, did they?
>>24778791>>24779025Joseph of Arimathea was a rich man and neither biblical nor extrabiblical sources suggest that he stopped being wealthy after the resurrection. He was never rebuked for his wealth. This suggests that it is not being rich that is the sin but rather the love of money which forms the root of many sins, as so neatly phrased by the apostle Paul. Jesus himself says:>No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.Paul was a Pharisee and a zealous persecutor of Christians yet by the grace of God he was used to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.Sin comes from within
>>24779117>The history books: judges, the Samuels the Kings etc are great reads if you like ancient lit. But yeah, have like no religious value you couldn't learn from a secondary source.Do Catholics really?
>>24779141Are you implying that under a liberation theology framework there would be no easter?
>>24779133>Jesus was anti-materialist{{cn}}Particularly overcome loaves and fishes being repeated twice.
>>24778791Christ is idealist, pacifist, individualist, and anarchist. couldn't be less of a red.
>>24779209>Paul was a Pharisee and a zealous persecutor of Christians yet by the grace of God he was used to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.Stop contradicting your argument. Saul was a SIPO cunt working for romans.
>>24778847>jesus was a le don't tread on me libertarian and loved guns and ben shapiro!!!
>>24779540>Oh yeah? Well, I bet if I just make up some dumb shit you didn't say I could make you sound real fucking stupid. Now what?
>>24778791Jesus had no issue with people being rich. One of the great calls of man is to provide for their family to the best of their ability. Wealth is not the sin but the love of it. To set aside all else for that wealth. If anything your average loan dealer is condemned far worse
>>24780340Imagine posting this kek. This guy is clearly either a mormon, hilarious prosperity gospel Israel first Evangelical Amerifat, or internet Orthodox/Catholic who has literally never even actually joined either church because that would require going to one IRL.
There's an interesting variation on the camel-needle saying from a lost Jewish-Christian "Gospel according to the Hebrews" (picrel)
