Is atheism more about not wanting to believe in God than about actual evidence?
If someone dedicated themselves to writing a lengthy book about something that didn’t exist yet they couldn’t prove it, I would consider them a deranged person.
nah, faith is irrational. it's by god's grace that his elect are granted the gift of belief. the unelect aren't wrong to feel the way they do, they couldn't feel otherwise if they tried, but they're damned to hell, so allow them their smugness.>for the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God
>>24784454so they're damned to hell through no fault of their own? that's an asshole move
The bible is spiritually but not literally true and it just calls you magically. It inherently cannot be explained.
>>24784458the holiness of god is rather traumatic to unholy people.
>>24784471what if someone has experienced religious trauma like being raped by a priest or something and now finds it impossible to believe in God?
>>24784485then they're not of the elect.
>>24784487assuming they never develop faith for the rest of their life, that is
>>24784487>>24784489will they go to hell then?
>>24784487There is no way to know who is or is not the elect. If you think otherwise you are participating in scam Christianity. You are being scammed.
>>24784442>non religious people came up with morals!>oh are the secular morals better? um eermm uuuhh well im a cultural christian i guess >hmm yes you talk about centuries of theology and philosophy but did you know that snakes dont talk?>no i refuse to study any kind of ontology not sorry Literally every debate or discussion I've ever seen Dawkins in is seriously embarrassing. I have no clue why anyone gives him the time of day.
>>24784499it's true we don't know the status of others, but we know it in ourselves. which is why i added the qualifier. the current unrepentant unbeliever could receive saving grace in the future.though we can ourselves have assurance.>it’s actually not complicated. if you want Christ and the gospel, you are one of His elect.
>>24784442At base it is wanting to know. If there's a god, where is it and why is it not evident?The Last possible god left to us is the god of the universal mind. It does resemble brain synapses, you have to admit. We are like microorganisms to it and it did not create itself out of nothing, since it simply has always existed.
>>24784513>but we know it in ourselves>though we can ourselves have assurancepretend one of those isn't there
>>24784493If you're scared of going to hell, and are at war with your sin, then you're God-fearing and not bound for hell.
>>24784442No. Why would you think that? Why would anyone not want to believe in God? There's just no evidence.
Is religion more about wanting to believe in God than about actual evidence? Yes.
>>24784549what happens if I die by suicide? I've been dealing with very intense bouts of depression lately and feel extremely close to taking my life
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>>24784442Atheism is framed as "an absence of belief", despite being the active belief that there are no gods.
>>24784555you have to read Doctrine of Awakening
>>24784555I don't know. I'm tempted just to tell you that you'll go to hell, just to keep you from doing it. I think it's more about faith, than your final act, or the fruit you bear, though. Don't off yourself. That's gay. Christ suffered for us, you can suffer for Him. Plus, you don't know what's in store for you. You could win the lottery, you could find the love of your life, or you could just feel better... when life is bleak, it seems like nothing good will ever happen, and that even if it were to happen it wouldn't make up for the despair and suffering you've gone through, or expect to continue.. you've got to just put that out of your mind and carry on. Read on the martyrs to summon strength to persevere, and be optimistic. >A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.
>>24784569>Doctrine of Awakeningyeah dude have him read a horse-faced loser's idea of syncretic hindu occultism, that'll help.
>>24784550>Why would anyone not want to believe in God? To engage in homosexual acts in defiance of divine law
>>24784442Yes, especially nu-atheism. Both its leaders and followers are degenerate faggots who hate the idea of being judged>>24784512Dawkins literally supports pederasty and cannibalism, guy isn't just a fucking useless retard Epstein ally but also a complete psychopath>>24784550You serious?>>24784555Suicide is still murder ergo you are breaking one of God's commandments. Traditionally it's been a mortal sin though it may have changed, it's still extremely sinful though obviously>>24784569Occultist evolanigs are the worst
>>24784600God fucked anything that moved. He never told anyone not to do the same. Your "divine law" was written by some prudish rabbi
>>24784442>Richard DawkinsLiterally an atheist version of Juden Peterstein, completely worthless fedora tipper
>>24784616>Suicide is still murder ergo you are breaking one of God's commandments. Traditionally it's been a mortal sin though it may have changed, it's still extremely sinful though obviouslyIt's actually insane how many people believe suicide is a Christian sin when there's literally zero prohibition against it in either the Old or New Testament. The entire concept was invented by clergy who had to backfill their own philosophical cope resorting to empty platitudes like calling it "cowardly" or a "crime" because they have no actual divine authority to stand on. It's your life, you have the ultimate title to it and any sane person's gut reaction to a friend's suicide is grief and sympathy, not moral condemnation like you'd feel for a murderer. The secret reason they really hate it is because a voluntary death is the ultimate rejection of the "all things were very good" narrative. It's a bad look for the creator so they had to turn it into a sin to protect their own fragile optimism.
>>24784623>fedoraStill using this asa defense?
>>24784616>You serious?Of course. A universe where human beings are special and cared for by the immortal creator, life is meaningful, and death does not mean your friends and loved ones are gone forever is infinitely more appealing than a cold indifferent universe. Theism is wishful thinking.
>>24784623dawkins is less pernicious than peterson. dawkins simply denies christ, whereas peterson actively attempts to subvert him.
>>24784628>there's literally zero prohibition against it in either the Old or New TestamentThe definition of murder is killing someone, that includes oneself. This is as retarded as saying "well yeah the Bible said that faggots are sinners but it didn't say faggots with fursuits were sinners!">It's your life, you have the ultimate title to it God has title over everyone's life, you are not above God in any way>any sane person's gut reaction to a friend's suicide is grief and sympathy, not moral condemnation like you'd feel for a murdererThat's... still bad lmao. You're ruining your family and friends by taking the easy way out. It IS cowardly and for all of history has been seen as such until recently when asylums were banned and we got faggy "psychologists" trying to do apology for literally killing yourself, probably for population culling>a voluntary death is the ultimate rejection of the "all things were very good" narrativeSuicide is retarded precisely because depression makes you ignorant of the good things you have in life. Most depressed retards ignore all of the great shit they got because of one or two things they focus on autistically. Life has its struggles, Christianity doesn't deny that, in fact it literally says to take your cross and accept that you will have to suffer to actually live it>It's a bad look for the creator Thinking that the world is a perfectly happy place where nobody suffers is literally the opposite of Christianity>>24784638You know, except for the fact that you have to follow a set of very specific rules, you are judged for your actions, suffering is necessary... atheism is way more conforting precisely because while your time is limited you can do whatever the fuck you want and it doesn't matter. You can be a massive asshole who spends his time on degenerate "hobbies" and does tons of horrible actions and get away with it scot free.
lmao
>>24784454Yuck. Calvinist heresy.
>>24784644>You know, except for the fact that you have to follow a set of very specific rules, you are judged for your actions, suffering is necessary... atheism is way more conforting precisely because while your time is limited you can do whatever the fuck you want and it doesn't matter. You can be a massive asshole who spends his time on degenerate "hobbies" and does tons of horrible actions and get away with it scot free.Oh, it's fine that all of my friends and family will suffer and die for no reason and be gone forever if I get to mistreat other people? What kind of sociopath would think like that? No, no sane person thinks this way. Everyone wishes for some sort of justice to the universe. Religion is wishful thinking. Atheism is confronting hard reality.
>>24784583It wil give him incredible powers and he will be able to overcome anything
>>24784442Nu-atheism is entirely just anti-Christianity contrarianism, which is understandable because Christianity is as retarded as it is fraudulent (especially its Americanized form), but being a contrarian against obvious error does not lead to truth, but further error. Blind leading blind, and is why you never see them grapple with actual metaphysics, nature of being, and consciousness, and always just punch down at Christians and walmart theology.
>>24784519>If there's a god, where is it and why is it not evident?Read Plato and Aristotle.
>>24784442I describe myself as an atheist when people ask but if you want to be pedantic I suppose my views are more agnostic. I cannot definitively claim there is no god but I do not think there is any particular reason to entertain the hypothesis that there is one rather than not, when you could just as well come up with a million other alternative hypotheticals to explain why the universe is and be no more or less certain about their veracity.Of course this is just talking about the concept of "god" in the abstract, everything else about the Christian religion is complete and utter nonsense.
>>24784556That title reminds me of this lmao>In a frequently narrated story about a dinner party that had taken place in D'Holbach's salon, David Hume had questioned whether true atheists actually existed, whereupon D'Holbach had clarified that Hume was sitting at the table with fifteen of them.
>>24784442Nah its about picrel. Almost every atheist i knew went down this path.
>>24784802As much as nonsense as man made theories of evolution i surmise? Observable processes are simply built on pre-theoretical faith in one's sense organs and are not what really "is" because human minds are simply not equipped to know "things-in-themselves"
>>24784821I think you are just misinterpreting ragebaiting Christians for actual Satanism.
>>24784643>muh reel christianitythe jew cult is no different from marxism. forcing niggers on whites at the jews behest. i hate you both
>>24784754Finally some sense in this thread.
>>24784829Not at all. The idea of the death of God presupposes one must take his throne.
new atheism was yet another cia front by epstein colleagues to corral gamers into getting angry at muslims and therefore leading them back into a controlled right-wing camp, which ultimately fell under ultrajew pet drumpfi salute the alphabet soup for their cunning, but i trust the real religion of atheism (marxism) will soon rise again thanks to chinese dialectics
>>24784442Richard Dawkins is possibly the dumbest fucking guy to be accepted into the intellectual canon. The man is an actual idiot.
>>24784754Why do they need to engage with metaphysics to know the New Testament is bullshit, though?
>>24784842A marxist, yes.
>>24784824Okay so what are you even attempting to say with this solipsistic sophistry? Evolution has plenty of physical evidence present here on Earth to back it up. Of god, there is none. These two ideas are not equally plausible.
>>24784829Rejection of God and indulgence in hedonism and self-aggrandizement IS satanism. The satanist and the atheist have the same ethos: "Man is god, do what you will, nothing but pleasure matters". What difference does the atheist have from the crowleytard beyond one indulging in fake "magic" trickery while the other indulges in more direct hedonistic pursuits?
>>24784839The death of god means the end of genuine belief in it. God, not being a real thing, can only exist as an idea in people's minds. If people stop believing, god "dies". Are you dense or just being provocative on purpose?
>>24784832>never read a word of Marx>but judges it like the clueless peasant he issigh
>>24784821satan worshipping is no different than shiva worship in india. it is not as edgy as you think
>>24784860In the sense that all Hindu gods are literal rapists who jeets worship because they're a lot of rapist, street-shitting degenerates who fuck their uncles and goats and drink camel piss? Because if so I agree
>>24784856Presup is all christians have left >>24784859jewish nigger
>>24784865>posting an all-time banger Marx quoteUh based faggot?
>>24784870The 1800s were different.>“The Jews were a cowardly and cruel people.”>“I have dictated thirty pages on the world's three religions; and I have read the Bible. My own opinion is made up. I do not think Jesus Christ is God. I would believe in the Christian religion if it dated from the beginning of the world. That Socrates, Plato, the Mohammedan, and all the English should be damned is too absurd. Jesus was probably put to death, like many other fanatics who proclaimed themselves to be prophets or the expected Messiah. Every year there were many of these men.”— Napoleon Bonaparte (1817), “Dialogue with Gaspard Gourgaud”, Apr [3]
>>24784874Napoleon ended up repenting and becoming Catholic you utter doltBefore this he was a masontroon who got used by kikes to propagate the (((French Revolution))) agenda
>>24784870>marxist calling someone else a faggotkek. reddit is down the hall
>>24784894Both Marx and Bakunin were kike tools, marxism and anarchism are both jewish in nature. Both will act like they hated jews because that was the standard viewpoint on them at the time but both came from wealthy rabbi families and pushed kike agendas
>>24784896trvke
>>24784550>there's just no evidence In all seriousness, what kind of evidence could you ever hope to discover that proves God exists?I'm not denying the existence of God either, I just don't think there would ever be satisfactory "evidence" and therefore all we can ever do is look at the world around us, see that as the evidence in itself, and believe.
>>24784903>there's no evidence also everything is evidence
>>24784903Well yeah, to atheists there's no such thing as evidence that convinces them. They are arrogant enough to want the seas to part and God to put on an electric lightshow in the sky just to show to them personally he exists. It's the epitome of protagonist syndrome, they feel entitled to everything which makes sense since they're all coddled chidlren who have no clue how the world works
>>24784886Eh>Napoleon did receive Catholic sacraments before death, but there is little evidence that he genuinely repented or embraced Catholicism with true religious conviction. It was likely a combination of cultural, social, and personal comfort rather than spiritual conviction.
>>24784931>Oy vey he got the sacraments and wrote Catholic letters and such but he DIDN'T believe in it goyThis is the same type of retarded nonsense that libfags say about the Middle Ages. "UHM SWEATY, NOBODY ACKSCHUALLY BELIEVED IN JESUS, PEOPLE FAKED BEING CATHOLIC CAUSE LE HECKIN' INQUISITIONERINO WOULD KILL THEM OTHERWISE". What a fucking jokeNapoleon wasn't beholden to any cultural pressure and if he did it for personal reasons it is because he believed and thinking otherwise is MASSIVE cope
>>24784918Yeah I didn’t word that great and I probably won’t do much better this time around either.I’m not saying there’s hard evidence per se as I don’t even know what that would look like nor if it’s something we as humans could have the capacity to apprehend at all. What I’m saying is there is a structure and order to the world and from that we can extrapolate and choose to have faith in the existence of a higher being. To each their own, i also just don’t see the appeal of being an atheist
>>24784942Hell yeah. The warlord and continental conqueror LOVED the peace maker Jesus very sincerely
>>24784918It's a totally valid argument. >>24784952You phrased it just fine, both times.
>>24784954I said he was a freemason before that, did you not hear me? He was absolutely a wicked man before his exile
>>24784957Oh of course. It was freemasonry that made him do all that. Not being a power seeking individual, like all aristocrats and conquerors
>>24784960Masons are all powerhungry faggotsNot all aristocrats are, though. But being part of the French Revolution and its following liberal movements is a big sign that yeah you're very kiked up
>>24784964People who do shit like what napoleon did aren't doing it out of any ideology. That's childlike foolishness
>>24784967Powerseeking IS an ideologyAnd it also is directly correlated to the ones I mentioned. For instance all of the leaders of the French Revolution were literal mason psychos who massacred untold thousands out of bloodlust
>>24784942He may have only done it because he knew it'd improve how future historians looked back on him, as a "Catholic" he could be a national hero even to the more conservative side of French society. Or he could've had some near death delirium. Or he could've genuinely had a change of heart.But before this point he had made some very blasphemous comments and constantly treated religion as a tool throughout his life.>Only six weeks before receiving the last rites, he reportedly told a loyal exile, "I am very glad to have no religion. It is a great consolation. I have no fearful illusions. I fear nothing that lies ahead." >One of his most loyal attendants, General Henri Bertrand, concluded that Napoleon's final acts were "a sacrifice to ritual; but he has no profound faith," and noted that the Emperor "died a Theist" (a belief in God, but not necessarily organized religion).
>>24784969No. It's a psychology.
>>24784973If that's the case then it's sad. Still I can't see how he'd be a national hero to anyone, especially conservatives just because he held the faith for the last month of his life
>>24784979Are you kidding? >Marine Le Pen has publicly praised Napoleon Bonaparte, commemorating the bicentenary of his death in 2021 by saluting his "grandeur" and legacy. In a tribute published in the Revue politique et parlementaire, where she had previously expressed admiration for General de Gaulle, Le Pen wrote, "Vive l'empereur, vive la grandeur". She emphasized Napoleon’s role in the "reorganization of France" and the "unity of the Nation," describing his actions as stemming from a "pacificatory will".
