is this book worth reading as someone who is mostly interested in learning more about CIA/MKUltra tom-foolery in the 60s and doesn't particularly enjoy polluting his brain with true crime slop? i am also somewhat skeptical that i will learn anything particularly eye opening from a book that was relentlessly shilled by all forms of mainstream media, and who's film rights were bought by netflix. am i wasting my time with boomer slop?
>>24786295It's good but doesn't really do much besides give you the information so that you can draw your own conclusions/do your own research. >i am also somewhat skeptical that i will learn anything particularly eye opening from a book that was relentlessly shilled by all forms of mainstream media, and who's film rights were bought by netflix.This is the correct mindset to have when going into it. It's good but lacks conviction.
>>24786369lmao "this book bad cause it didn't tell me what to think or directly confirm my preexisting worldview"
>>24786295>who's film rights were bought by netflixThe film was directed by Errol Morris, who made Wormwood. Don't be a pleb
>>24786295It details that Manson and his girls was visiting a San Fran hippy clinic ran by notorious CIA MKUTLRA doc Jolly West, who was the shrink that diagnosed Jack Rubys psychosis while he was awaiting giving testimony before the Warren commission. He also gave an elephant so much LSD it OD'd and died, and a little girl got raped and killed by US soldier outside of a military base West was stationed at the time, with the soldier having no recall of having done it. O'Neil heavily implies that West was a researcher trying to produce methods to create Manchurian candidates and that he gave Jack Ruby a mind-melting amount of LSD, tampering with the key remaining witness in the JFK assassination. O'neil also further implies along with everyone else that Manson must have been given drug based cult training while in prison. He basically immediately started his operation upon being released.He also debunks the Helter Skelter theory of the murders/trial and demonstrates that Vincent Bugliosi was a piece of shit.
>>24786414Also, Manson violated his parole so often that it made zero sense that he wasn't sent back to jail while running drugs and having hippy drug addicts killing people.
>>24786295>am i wasting my time with boomer slop?If you want a more schizo, broad spectrum version of this book, check out Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon. I wouldn't call Chaos a waste of time or a bad book, the editorial passages giving you a firsthand account of a liberal boomer slowly going down the rabbit hole make the book worth it on their own.
>>24786656>if you want a version that has less facts and way more /x/ tier speculation
>>24786665Yeah pretty much. To McGowan's credit, he presents facts (some of them better researched than other) and leaves their interpretation open to the reader, but it's clear he's driving at something much more conspiratorial than O'Neill.
>>24786656>McGowanto be honest i want to read his stuff at some point but not before becoming more acquainted with the topics he wrote about. diving into him without having some kind of background in what he wrote about just sounds like a recipe for confusing yourself so badly you end up like alex jones.
>>24786701just be prudent and try to independently verify what you read before believing it.
>>24786295The mid-to-late 60s is such a fascinating period
>>24786682>something much more conspiratorial than O'NeillWhat O'Neill suggests is much more Kafkaesque and opaque than McGowan, though. McGowan essentially asserts that the nexus of all these evil doings in Hollywood shares the same purview of individuals that are in big business and Hollywood, and they're all satanists involved in child sex trafficking. O'Neill suggests some of that, but the implication is a lot more that MKULTRA and the Manson fiasco was more a result of field experiment-operations that the CIA were continuously running in the '50s & '60s, particularly in the Los Angeles area. The occult doesn't factor in so much into Chaos. A good book to read that connects both is The Ultimate Evil by Maury Terry.
>>24788065>big business and Hollywood*Meant to say, Hollywood, big business, and Washington.
>>24786295Other than this and the McGowan one, are there more books tackling counterculture and conspiracy-related themes?
>>24788861https://www.amazon.com/dp/1595589147is onecovers more modern art/litearture
>>24788861EMJ doesn't really cover it specifically but many of his books cover it (but they cover much larger spans of time, fairly)I don't think you can really understand the 60s apart from all the earlier rockefeller/birth control and population control stuff that went on much earlier on in the 20th century, as well as similar stuff going on in earlier centuries and even earlier culture war stuff like the french revolution and kulturkampf stuff in prussia.
>>24788893>rockefeller/birth control and population control stuff that went on much earlier on in the 20th centurynta but ive been really wanting to learn more about famous industrialist families like the rockerfellers and duponts, (especially the duponts to be honest because the little i do know about them makes them seem like they were/are comically evil.) do you know of any books that go into detail about their war profiteering in ww1, their material support of hitler and rearmament of the third reich, their involvement in the business plot, or even their relationship with the biden family? any book that goes into detail about famous industrialist families really, but especially anything that covers those topics i listed above.
>>24786376Are you retarded? I said it was a good book. It just lacks an actual conclusion. >draw your own conclusionsIsn't a satisfactory ending, and is actively lazy. Although I recommend that you draw your own conclusion and rope yourself.
>>24786665>way more /x/ tier speculationthat makes it even better
