>dude what if i made up a completely fake story in my head about the nature of men and tribal society>and what if people took these "insights" seriously and pretended like it was some great study into human nature >this is despite the fact that real life castaways have been empirically observed to behave peacefully>deep art btw
>>24786336>dude what if i made up a completely fake story in my headyep, that's what a novel is.
>>24786336It actually is a great study into anglo nature
>>24786336>people would rather follow a charismatic strongman pushing superstition, exclusion, and violence than a more nuanced perspectived based around reason and cooperationseems pretty accurate desu
>>24786337But OP is right. This was drilled into kids head to make them believe the lie that man is inherently evil, "his nature" >>24786338>>24786358>angloOnly in that they've been fully inured in "civilization". Ruined minds. Their kids, if taken away before schooling, could be made into healthy human beings again. Topple the govt and you could have Morris' News From Nowhere world
>>24786427>This was drilled into kids head to make them believe the lie that man is inherently evil, "his nature"i don't think that's the message, or at least grossly oversimplified. there are two main conflicting perspectives in the book those of jack and ralph. the book does make the point that jack's approach, while more morally repugnant to your typical reader, is more effective in drumming up support and consolidating power in desperate times, taking advatntage of a fearful population. which again, is not inaccurate to history. it's not just about kids on an island, it's an extended metaphor in which to explore authoritarianism, religion, etc. idk why i even need to explain this to a (presumably) adult man who reads a lot.
>>24786427As soon as society stopped drilling into their heads that humanity's nature is one of violence and theft, society started to welcome violent thieves.Curious.
>>24786550>As soon asIn documented instances, men and women who escape this prison camps, go on to live as we always have in the wilds. Violence? To hunt dinner. Thievery? Unheard of in such society. >>24786451It has been a while. I forgot its metaphorical point. The angle I complained about is just an extra implication. >jack's approach, while more morally repugnant Repugnance is repugnant.
>>24786599>we always have in the wilds. Violence? To hunt dinner. Thievery? Unheard of in such society.this is closer to the approach that ralph is representing in the book. meanwhile jack is ultimately creating a system of control closer to the coneption of "civilization" that you seem to have an issue with. jack's system is based around superstition/religion (literally what the title of the book is referring to) and creating/enforcing heirarchy.if anything you should love this book, or at least be able to read and analyze it through a lens that's closer to your worldview.
>>24786336Idk the ending always seemed like an ass pull. How did Moe even get there?
>>24786336So read something else, retard.
>>24786609>religion.... le BAD!
>>24786427OP is wrong. All William Golding did is write the novel. William Golding didn't force the novel into educational curricula. Other people did that.William Golding made art, and other people who aren't him made decisions that you disagree with, but the art remains art.
>>24786336>dude what if I took this book and made it about "women's stories" and their "trauma" and "lived experiences" or whatever dumb shit and made millions of dollars by totally missing the point haha
>>24786427>This was drilled into kids head to make them believe the lie that man is inherently evil, "his nature"But enough about The Bible
>>24786550We were being taught this book in high school as late as 2007, the EU immigration thing had been in full swing for years by then
>>24787964what you said isn't actually in there
>>24787964>But enough aboutThis isn't reddit.
>>24787980Suck my exegesis.
>>24787980Based and christianpilled. Le fallen state of man is a catholic man made schizo invention
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>>24788000Love that dude
>>24786336If you imagine the kids Estonians, it makes sense. An Estonian will rape you, kill you, fuck your corpse, and eat it if you were stranded with a group of Estonians on a desert island.
>>24788028what about Latvians and Lithuanians?
>>24787980>what you said isn't actually in thereYeah original sin is fake
