>The eccentric psychology of décadence outlines the negative anthropology of mass society: Proust gives an allergic accounting of what was later done to all love. The exchange relationship, which this last partially contradicted during the bourgeois epoch, has entirely absorbed it; the last immediacy falls victim to the distance of all adversaries to all others. Love freezes from the value, which the ego ascribes to itself. Its love appears to it as a loving more, and whoever loves more, does wrong. They incur the suspicions of the beloved, and are thrown back on themselves, falling ill due to their inclination to possessive cruelty and self-destructive imagination. “The relation to the beloved,” goes a passage in Temps retrouvé, “may remain platonic out of entirely different reasons than the chastity of the woman and also not for the sake of the sensual character of love, which she inspires. Perhaps the lover is incapable, in the boundlessness of his love, of waiting for the moment of fulfillment with adequate dissimulation or indifference. He meets her incessantly, does not cease to write to her, attempts to visit her; she refuses, and he despairs. From this moment on she understands that if she only grants him her company or friendship, such a favor will appear, to someone who had already given up all hope, so great that she can spare herself the trouble of giving him any more concessions, so that she can securely wait, until he finds himself prepared, because he is incapable of going without seeing her any longer, to end the war at any price: then she can dictate the terms of the peace, whose first condition is the platonic nature of the relationship... All this the woman guesses instinctively and knows that she can afford the luxury of never giving herself to the man whose unquenchable desire she feels, if he is too well-bred to hide it from her from the very beginning.” The young male prostitute Morel is stronger than his high-flying lover. “He always retained the upper hand, by only refusing himself, and in order to refuse himself, it probably sufficed for him to know he was loved.”
>The private motive of Balzac’s Duchess Langeais has spread universally. The quality of each one of the innumerable autos, which turn every Sunday evening back to New York, corresponds exactly to the prettiness of the girl sitting inside. – The objective dissolution of society manifests itself subjectively, by the fact that the erotic drive has become too weak, to bind self-preserving monads, as if humanity were imitating the physics theory of the exploding cosmos. The frigid unattainability of the beloved’s nature [Wesens], meanwhile an acknowledged institution of the mass-culture, is answered by the “unquenchable desire” of the lover. When Casanova named a woman unprejudiced, he meant that no religious convention hindered her from giving herself; today the unprejudiced woman is one who no longer believes in love, who doesn’t let herself be taken for a ride, by investing any more than she can expect back. Sexuality, for whose sake nevertheless the whole fuss is presumably about, has turned into the delusion, which consisted earlier in renunciation. By leaving no time anymore in the arrangements of life for a pleasure conscious of itself, and replacing it with physiological exercises, uninhibited sexuality is itself desexualized. Actually they no longer want the euphoria anymore, but merely the compensation, which stands for the effort, which they would like most of all to spare themselves as superfluous.
>>24788292What exactly is so Jewish about what he said, assuming you can understand the words?
>>24788302what exactly isn't freudomarxist about it?
True love exists and of course us mortals can’t achieve it perfectly, the egoists we are, but it assuredly exists
>>24788313I for one am curious. Why do you oppose the frankfurters? Are you my ally?
>>24788324marxist and freudian concepts are already feeble instruments in themselbes. mixing them together leads you deeper in plato's cave, to next level basement of electric philisophaster boogaloo.
>>24788313His insight is no different than what you would get from a proper reading and application of The Ring of Nibelung
>>24788332So any discussion of sexual or economic conditions, any use of the terms "value" and "ego", will be dismissed as "Jewish". What do you think is wrong in the relations between men and women?
>>24788332OoooookaaaaaayyyyyBut are you my ally? Show me your hand
>>24788339Ok I’m giving up on that guy since he’s not really telling me what he thinks…But do you really not believe in true love? The ability to fight back egoism, helped by proper formation?
>>24788333ah yes, "the proper reading and application" of a work of art, almost dare i say... talmudic outlook.Wagner created living organisms, microcosms, with manifold interpretative possibilities, like every masterpiece. Also he and Schopenhauer would detest Adorno's methods, just as they would reject Shaw's or Freud's Interpretation of The Ring.
>>24788354Of course I do, however true love at least in the modern world seems necessarily anti-social, or at least revolutionary. Love for the beloved is of the same kind as love and sympathy for the tragedy of the world. This is presented most beautifully in Wagner.I would also say the true love, or perhaps actually any love, would lead to an accentuation of egoism in the sense that one is most oneself when in love--transcendental egoism as distinct from petty or avaricious egoism
>>24788369Now even interpreting art works is owned by Jews. You haven't actually explained what you find so offensively Jewish about the posted argument, but have only replicated jargon. You have posted a distasteful meme and one obviously expects you of being a self-hating Jew, if not tribally than spiritually so
>>24788369>Freud's Interpretation of The RingThis doesn't even exist
>>24788372Hmmm can you explain how it’s the same as “sympathy for the tragedy of the world.”I can sense you’re somewhat allied to me. Cards on the table, I read your thread and started thinking of JP2 and love & responsibility.
>>24788376then subsidiary freudlets. somebody has to do the meming of wagner into proto-freud.
>>24788402You're just banging on about things that don't matter. Freud obviously comes from Nietzsche and Schopenhauer so that this could occur is not anything surprising, such results would not be interesting as Freudianism is very bad as a critical lens. I highly doubt you care at all about Wagner, you're contributions to this thread have been less than worthless. The point was that the erotic dysfunction attendant to the insertion of commodity logic into human relations, which is certainly a major idea of the Ring.
>>24788408i wasn't the one who brought up wagner in the first place. and yes i'm not going to positively contribute to a Wiesengrund thread. Surely this is the type of negative dialectics that he would appreciate.
>>24788414Consider that your smugness isn't going to lead you anywhere
>The eccentric psychology of décadence outlines the negative anthropology of mass society: Proust gives an allergic accounting of what was later done to all love. Paraphrase this in your own words, you have 1 (two) day.
17th century french seduction novel>make yourself le rare>stay ambiguous until the last moment, bitches love this>get a rich aristocratic Lady, you won't have to work again'dorno>this is soo capitalistic and manipulating>ppl used to Love each other without such capitalistic calculation. My fellow j... i mean literary intellectual Proust knew this, btw we need communism and destruction of patriarchal families (source of fascism) asap.
>>24788452You realize that to a significant extend the human race has stopped reproducing?> destruction of patriarchal families (source of fascism) asapWhatever. The above quote is actually critical of women. I'm not sure why I bother to come here anymore. You all just have stupid axes to grind. Probably, now I will stop
>>24788519goodwe hang adornolets like youkeep moving, lil ahasverus
>>24788063I have been studying Adorno for the past 2 years. He is the greatest philosopher of the 20th.Ironic how he was condemned and swiftly disregarded on the basis of a supposed resigned and purely theoretical stance, given that he never shied away from polemic and deeply engaged with the main philosophical currents like existentialism and positivism. I'm french and he was almost unknown here up until 15 years ago, with only a fraction of his work translated. His works are undergoing translation ever since.>>24788519I visit this place once a month, if not less. I used to be a regular. Don't bother with this cesspit.
>>24788565sell him to me bro, i have internalized the commodification of ideas. you have to offer the premise and leave the conclusion to me. Hit me with your best 'dorno shot.
