Hey /lit/, I'm a /mu/fag who's listened to a lot of stuff that's either influenced or been influenced by the beat generation, should i actually get into these writings, or is it just incoherent meme shit?
Most of the writing from the beat generation is pretty bad but some of it is good or at least historically interesting. Ginsberg's Howl is central to the movement and relatively short so read that to get a feel of the beats generally: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howlI find Kerouac to be generally overrated but Big Sur was surprisingly good.
>beat generationInsufferable trash. I can only imagine what your music is like.
>>24793578Check out Pynchon's The Crying of Lot 49 for work that is tri edgy, weird and good. Give T.S. Eliot and Wallace Stevens a read. Vonnegut and Bukowski even are better than the Beats, who are really bad, but read them too.
>>24793597>frogposter talking about tasteYikes!
>>24793578Burroughs' nonfiction is pretty good and better than his fiction imo.
>>24793578>Beat generationQuite literally just a glowie psyop completely devoid of talent and merit with the exception of two (2) books
>>24793578I was disappointed to find out that the Howl was not about werewolves, but gay sex.
>>24793816back to >>>/pol/
prose ist downstream from music, not the other wayt. Birth of Tragedy
>>24793816>two (2)wish i was still living in 2014
>>24795158which is why music has always inspired poems and stories about it rather than vice versa. no wait
>>24795162the former is less obvious and the result less defective than the latter.Schubert or Wolf Lieder set to famous poems are simply not that good, compared to prose inspired by Beethoven or Chopin. And Beethoven music set to existing poems or plays is always weaker than when he goes full independent mode.
>>24793578read this instead
>>24795187is there a clear body of writing inspired by music? (no.)the point i’m making is historically it’s always been the other way around.
>>24795237that's why i'm saying it's less obvious.according to Schopenhauer and Nietzsche it's the true relationship and artists benefitted from this view, until they collectively forgot about it again.>what about Wagner thoughhe already had the outlines of the music in his mind before he started writing the text. the material of preexisting medieval poems only served as a rough guide.
>>24795261writing is downstream yet your proof lies in... nietzsche and schopenhauer.robert graves said a poet cannot escape into mere rhythmic sound; there is always the dead load of sense to drag about with him. in poetry, everything is relevant; it is an omnibus of an art - a public omnibus.
>>24793578did you come from the nirvana thread, anon? there's good shit and meme shit. just give it a go and see if you're into it..
>>24793578>/mu/fag who's listened to a lot of stuff that's either influenced or been influenced by the beat generationBurroughs. Burroughs only.The other two are irrelevant to music as compared to Burroughs, whose cut-up ideas did influence Throbbing Gristle and their first proto-sampling experiments, which in turn influenced the rest of musician relying on samples and experimentation.Burroughs also planted the roots for cyberpunk literature through his Nova trilogy, which in turn influenced cyberpunk music like EBM. The other two didn't influence culture, directly or indirectly, in the same way Burroughs did.
>>24793620true and rare take. junky and queer were his best works, also the semi-autobiographical parts of naked lunch.
>>24793578only a portion of it is worth reading. check big sur and the town and the city by kerouac.
