If He lived longer, could he have had any hope of getting on Shakespeares level?>inb4 he was shakespeare dum dumNot getting into speculations just wondering of what could have been.
He would have written a few more translations of ovid and died a couple years later in complete obscurity.
>>24795504just going off what we know he was fundamentally different to shakespeare
>>24795521*from
>>24795521I know that, I appreciate Marlowe for his plays on Tamburlaine and Doctor Faustus, Particularly Faustus because I feel like it's message is particularly relevant today, and would have liked if he were to have somehow continued with that theme in future plays.
>>24795525i guess i have to point out ‘different to’ is more common in british english
>>24795547british gave up their right to primacy in that language long ago. now the tongue of the brit slips over arabic
>>24795504>could he have had any hope of getting on Shakespeares level?No, but he was still one of the greatest poets in the English language and would probably have eclipsed Spenser.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Wa4NOiiQ4
>>24795562they're taught british english everywhere except south america. own up. this was a pretty bad misstep on your part.
>>24795504Ben Jonson was clearly Shakespeare Marlowe theory is beyond retarded (factual statements here only)
>>24795612not at all, that you've inculcated barbaric people with incorrect grammar is of no concern to me.
>>24795643normally i defend americans but i guess that’s one way of saying they’re pretty stupid and refuse to learn
>>24795661go fetch for me any instances of "different to" rather than "different from" in published literary texts. i mean literature, now. none of the garbage. triple check your work and sources.oh, you can't? oh nooo
>>24796302it does happen to appear in the e. m. forster book i’m currently reading but how about the late great henry fowler’s book on english grammar?
>>24796606you realize that this acknowledges that different from, while being colloquially overtaken, is not formally correct according to people who are literally considered by him to be authorities in the matter.he does say that different to may overtake different from. despite this low quality prophesy, in most relevant published literature, different from reigns. as it stands, a single author being incorrect against a sea of literature otherwise disposed does not a convincing argument make.
>>24796619he explicitly says it’s not a solecism. the OED says it’s ’found in writers of all ages.’ that should be an end of the matter.>literally considered by him to be authorities in the matter.misreading on your part. what he said was ‘those to whom the approval of such authorities is important.’
>>24796641so, you're saying people paid to correct shitty writing aren't valid authorities.as to the OED entry, that's no different to me than you submitting a current year url to merriam-webster.com to prove your point. go fetch some more instances, and we'll talk.
>>24796643you haven’t read his book, but rest assured henry fowler didn’t consider newspaper editors authorities. as to the ‘as to the OED entry’, i think the dictionary was pretty much made for this sort of dispute. >go fetch some more instancesi can think of one more…
>>24796652>just onedamningi know Mr. Fowler doesn't respect editors in the industry from the text, i'm saying that he's being stubborn and unwise doing so. who am i going to refer to as authorities, Mr. Fowler, or the masses of publishers and editors who have sedulously kept the torch aloft, even to this day? i won't have to think hard about this one.
>>24796660>just onei’m being clever. my next example comes from you yourself >>24796643>as to the OED entry, that's no different to me than you
>>24796669ah, very nice. i managed to make it grammatically correct. my genius knows no bounds. shame that it's still wrong when used in this manner>>24795521 since you've reduced yourself to dishonest arguments, i accept your concession.
nah, you know what? i apologize for my pedantry. as penance, i won't show my face in this here town again.
>>24796671strategic retreat. i couldn’t believe my eyes when you used ‘different to’ in an argument against using ‘different to’& the phrasing there naturally sets up a comparison to shakespeare - almost like saying ‘in contrast to shakespeare.’ if you swapped in ‘from’ it would flow worse and sound more detached.>reduced yourselfif i said anything out line you’ll have to forgive me!
>>24796681what do you want? i already said you win.however, i don't agree that it flows better than"just going off what we know he was fundamentally different from shakespeare"
>>24796697different to is a smoother phonetic transition.>what do you want?i’m just talking to you, not sure what the kicking & screaming is for.
>>24796707it really isn't phonetically smoother in any context. the plosive "tuh" doesn't work to my ears as well as the fricative "frrr", flow to my mind insinuates liquid. unless arrested by being frozen into pellets, or locked into rigid sheets, water hardly makes these sounds, and certainly doesn't flow in that context.
>>24796712the final /nt/ cluster in different flows directly into the /t/ of to. your tongue barely moves. high rhythm.also it mirrors natural patterns of mental association (this is different to that). but fair play - a gracious surrender on your part
>>24796725it's a double stop versus a go stop go. the fs in different meet with the f in from after a brief interlude of t. if you enunciate properly, the double plosive is jarring and awkward.
>>24796730lol are you saying ‘different-tuh’
>>24796735no, but there is a perceptible pause between different and to. if you're saying "differentu" it's equally ridiculous.
>>24796739in british speech it’s differen-to. any tiny perceptible pause is negligible.
>>24796743all the worse for british speech, then.
>>24796745outrageous isn’t it
>>24795504Shakespeare was a prolific writer in contrast to Marlowe who only wrote when he felt like and so had a much smaller output. It's also interesting to know that Marlowe is the only one of Shakespeare's contemporaries that he quoted in one of his works, so there was certainly some admiration there.
>clash of the titans ITT
>>24796751>Shakespeare was a prolific writer in contrast to Marlowe who only wrote when he felt like and so had a much smaller output.This isn't true. If you take everything Shakespeare had written by the time Marlowe died (they were the same age) then Shakespeare had written less than Marlowe.
>>24796828shakespeare started later.
>>24796830And whose to say Marlowe wasn't just as busy as Shakespeare in his youth?
>>24796852who'swhose denotes ownership
>>24796902Yeah, autocorrect.
Real nice how I make a thread and the discussion is absolutely nothing like what was prompted by the OP, stay classy 4chan.Anyways whats your favorite of his plays? Mine is as previously mentioned Doctor Faustus, as I am literally him(damned soul waiting for hell)
>>24797243Only read Hero and Leander but I love it very much, interesting to see where the style of Alexander Pope emerged from. My favourite detail is that when we meet her at Venus's shrine, Hero is sacrificing turtles' blood.
>>24797243Tamburlaine probably inarguably has the greatest poetry, while Doctor Faustus is a much better organised story, and yet the seething envy and cunning of The Jew of Malta is really great, clearly an original character in English drama that laid the basis for Shakespeare's less devilish Shylock, and all those plots twists and eventually Barabas falling into a boiling cauldron while screaming curses is fantastically exciting.I am not of the tribe of Levi, I,That can so soon forget an injury.We Jews can fawn like spaniels when we please;And when we grin we bite; yet are our looksAs innocent and harmless as a lamb's.
