dunk throws down editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24787922
>>24804485Friend of mine was just working a production set where GRRM was being interviewed and he stated the new 7 kingdoms show will have 0 dragons and just kept complaining that once a dragon appears nobody cares about anybody else and the fans just freak out wanting more dragons and he's sick of it.
>>24804497Extremely rare George W
>>24804497Really? But the dragons are just weapons, the excitment around them is Danys use of them and everyone else trying to take them for themselves or react to them. Causing an uprising and slave rebellion in Volantis, Euron usi9ng spooky magic to bind a dragon to him using Victarion as a sacrifice, Quintn etc
This Cersei Lannister asks you to be her personal knight.Do you accept?
>>24804485Anyone got art of the Brindled Skin people from Southoryos?
>>24804536
>>24804485GRRM confirmed that Arthur Dayne > Barristan Selmy. Where do you think Jaime lands in skill compared these two?
>>24804536i don’t think there’s actually any artistic depictions of the brindled men, no one has ever drawn them
>>24804587just ran this description through the deepAI slop machine, the first AI image generator that came up on google>Massively-muscled, big-boned humanoid creatures with long arms and coarse black hair. They have sloped foreheads, huge square teeth, and heavy jaws. They have broad, flat noses that suggest snouts and thick skins brindled in patterns of brown and white, making them seem more like hogs than humans.here’s your brindled man bro
>>24804531no because visible abs on a woman are a massive fucking turn off
List of people that won the Ashford tourney in "The Hedge Knight":>Tybolt LANNISTER>Lyonel BARATHEON>Leo TYRELL>Humfrey HARDYNG>Valarr TARGARYENList of people who Sansa has been married to, or at least considered for marriage with:>Tyrion LANNISTER>Joffrey BARATHEON>Willas TYRELL>Harrold HARDYING>??? TARGARYENIs Sansa going to marry Aegon Targaryen?
>>24804596dumb
>>24804485why is there a general for this hack
>>24804485>>24804497I agree with Gurm on this. But not really because of fan reactions. For me it kills any sense of political tension or military urgency, leaving only intrigue and interpersonal things as sources for conflict. You are outnumbered, outmaneuvered, outclassed, and undersupplied? Fret not! Shyttarion will just burn all of them in the end anyway! All tension from this point onward is about whether or not the Albino Herrenrasse will choose to use him or if they can find because he is lost because Gurm keeps separating him from the albinos because dragons actively murder tension and he knows it. This was cemented to me when reading House of the Dragon. Just felt like the white-haired kid at the playground had a everything-proof shield. I mean I guess he kind of offsets it by the fact inter-dragon combat is a possibility. But it essentially precludes the Targs having any threats to their rule that are not rooted within themselves.
>>24804656Also, regarding the Daenerys plotline specifically. We all know that the fat fuck isn't man enough to take the nukes from his loli waifu in any meaningful sense. Only sense of mystery is on how he is going to fuck the victory up.
>>24804634Yes but Aegon Targaryen is his father’s name, he goes by Jon Snow these days
>>24804634Drink your milk of the poppy.
>>24804485>14 years
>Egg's gonna be 30 by the time we get She-Wolves of Winterfell
>>24804547Geoege is such a racist piece of shit
>>24804497Agree Dragons are gay
>>24804708Nah nigga, we imbibing Shade of the Evening tonight
>>24804536They are essentially Japaense orcs which for some reason they made their orcs pig headed monsters compared to tolkien then warhammer imagining of them.
>accidentally said "it makes no matter" at work>cute coworker gave me a weird lookfuck you gurm
Jon Blanco (forma de fantasma)
Now that the dust has settled, when is Winds coming out?
>>24804497>>24804516>>24804525>>24804656>>24804788If dragons detract from your story the problem is with your story.
>>24804906Jon forma sangre despertado
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
>>24804879If you were attractive to her she would have liked what you said.
>>24804516>>24804525>>24804656Absolutely true story, the interview is for the "behind the scenes," after one of the new episodes. He also said GRRM was very friendly like an old boomer, and didn't mind chatting with the guys setting everything up.
Re-reading the first book its so clear that George didn't have this map in his head yet and a lot of what Dany does in Qarth was meant to be done in Asshai. Spooky magic shit, Euron is hanging out there when he would be in Asshai, Great Empire of the Dawn clues etc
>>24805149He probably just wanted to expand his world, anon.
NORTHRickon Stark, King of the North Osha, his concubine Sansa Clegane, his regent Sandor Clegane, her husband Shaggydog, his direwolf Cannibal, his dragonWalder Bolton, Lord of Dreadfort Walda Bolton, his mother and regentBeren Hornwood-Tallhart, Lord of HornwoodAlysane Mormont, Lady of Bear Island A bear, her husbandRIVERLANDSEdmure Tully, Lord of Riverlands and Riverrun Roslin Frey, his wifeJonos Bracken, Lord of Stone Hedge and Barba's TitsAmerei Frey-Darry, Lady of Darry Harwyn Plumm, her husbandVALERobert Arryn, Lord of the Vale and EyriePetyr Baelish, hanged from his tower, his shmile and Harrenhal-off the tableIRON ISLANDSVictarion Greyjoy, King of the Iron Islands, King of Meereen, Lord Reaper of Pyke Hotho Harlaw's daughter, his rock wife Daenerys Targaryen, his salt wife Dusky Woman (stuck, warged Euron), his salt wifeGylbert Farwynd, chilling on Tol Eressea with his familyWESTERNLANDSMartyn Lannister, Lord of Westerlands and Casterly RockLast Lord Tarbeck, Lord of Tarbeck Hall and CastamereCROWNLANDSAegon Blackfyre, King of Andals, Rhoynar and the First Men Shireen Baratheon, his wifeOlyvar Frey, Lord of RosbySTORMLANDSShireen Baratheon, Lady of Stormlands and Storm's End Aegon Blackfyre, her husbandWill/Dick Cole, Lord of BlackhavenRolland Storm/Caron, Lord of NightsongLomas Estermont, Lord of GreenstoneJon Connington, Lord of Griffin's RoostREACHWillas Tyrell, Lord of the Reach and HighgardenTitus Peake, Lord of StarpikeLaswell Peake, Lord of DunstonburyTorman/Pykewood Peake, Lord of WhitegroveDORNEGerold Dayne, Lord of Starfall and High Hermitage
>>24804585nowhere because he is gay.Gay as in "lame".
Beneath the gold...fooled you
>>24805322Why does this fandom have the ugliest fucking art ever? Ew. Just compare this shit to any LOTR fanart...There's such an over-focus on specific colors and details to the detriment of the whole.
>>24805346the thing that bothers me the most is that whatever this guy charged, I would have done better for cheaper.I'm not a great master, mind you, but I do have a basic understanding of color theory.
>>24805346Because Gurm is a leftist atheist, therefore both his mind and stories are devoid of nature and beauty.
>>24805364and optimism. Don't forget they are devoid of optimism.
>>24804485If you were Robert, how would you have dealt with the Ironborns after defeating their rebellion?
>>24805398sell asha to chataya's brothel
My new pseudonym is George Hard-R Martin and there nothing he can do to stop me.
>>24805462YOUR pseudonym?
>>24804634Why is that theory a thing if Lady Ashford didn't marry any of them?
>>24804978Never
>>24804606This
>>24804634No she's gonna marry Jon
>>24805322>>24805346I plan of eventually taking a year or two to make a bunch of fanart for all the characters and some locations.Currently tho, I'm not financially stable to take the year off, but soon.
Reminder that Aerea was in Valyria for a whole fucking year. What have you done this year anon?
>>24805364>>24805384You retards got lost. This isn't the thread to shit up with the usual culture war nonsense.
>“By itself, the blood is nothing. You do not have the words to make a spell, nor the wisdom to find them. Do you think bloodmagic is a game for children? You call me maegi as if it were a curse, but all it means is wise. You are a child, with a child’s ignorance. Whatever you mean to do, it will not work. Loose me from these bonds and I will help you.”Would Mirri have just betrayed Dany again? Dany DID save her from one of the rapings. She already took so much from her you'd think we missed out on a Dany becomes a witch storyline.
>>24804606>abs on a woman are a massive fucking turn off
>>24804634She was also considered for marriage to Robert Arryn though.
>Lady Lysa and Lord Petyr had the third-story bedchamber to themselves, but the tower was small . . . and true to her word, her aunt screamed. It had begun to rain outside, driving the feasters into the hall one floor below, so they heard most every word. "Petyr," her aunt moaned. "Oh, Petyr, Petyr, sweet Petyr, oh oh oh. There, Petyr, there. That's where you belong." Lady Lysa's singer launched into a bawdy version of "Milady's Supper," but even his singing and playing could not drown out Lysa's cries. "Make me a baby, Petyr," she screamed, "make me another sweet little baby. Oh, Petyr, my precious, my precious, PEEEEEETYR!" Her last shriek was so loud that it set the dogs to barking, and two of her aunt's ladies could scarce contain their mirth.
>>24806237>tfw you can hear him get his little finger inside her tully during the feast
>>24805999Would magic return if not for the witch’s sacrifice? I’m likely to think it would. It just coincided with events. The red comet still would have come.
>>24805384His story is actually very optimistic and hopeful. It's about everyone eventually coming together to fight death itself.
>>24806483I forgot, since death itself never apears, since he hasn't finished the story...
>>24806492Yea.....
>>24806299I just finished re-reading Game of Thrones. The red comet shows up before Mirri even burns. George made it kind of wishy washy with the stars aligning. But Dany seemed convinced only death could pay for life.
>>24806237>make me another sweet little baby>anotherand most fans STILL doubt L+P=R
>>24806542he had gotten her pregnant before, and Lord Tully forced her to abort
>>24804763>Egg's gonna be 30 by the time we get She-Wolves of Winterfell>by the time we get She-Wolves of Winterfell>by the time we get>we getWe're not going to get any more Dunk & Egg stories either, Gurm literally never finishes anything he starts. Which sucks, because they're his best work.
>>24805149>George didn't have this map in his headTyrion puts Myrcella on a ship to send her to Dorne... by way of Braavos.
>>24805346>Why does this fandom have the ugliest fucking art ever?Because there are no more artists, it's all shitty cartoony scribblings.
>>24805867I cannot imagine Sansa living beyond the wall.
>>24805398>If you were Robert, how would you have dealt with the Ironborns after defeating their rebellion?Genocide all Ironborn above the level of mud farming peasant and repopulate the middle and upper classes with 2nd and 3rd sons from loyal mainland noble houses, with Stannis as their overlord, being granted the Iron Islands as his and his ancestor's demesne.This solves the problem of Dragonstone, which has to go to Robert's 1st born son and heir to the Iron Throne and gives his brother Stannis his own lands, titles, incomes and bannermen.It puts a loyal branch of House Baratheon on the west coast of Westeros opposite the Lannister controlled Westerlands and provides for a strong naval force to counterbalance House Tyrell and Redwine.
>>24806556>L+P=RLysa + Petyr = Sweetrobin ArrynAll the more ironic as Littlefinger will be complicit in the murder of his own son (Sansa will do the actual deed).
>>24806542He’s not his son, Lysa wouldn’t have mentioned giving him one if that was the case.
>>24807110That shit is not happening
Empire of the Dawn schizos > Jonsa schizos It's just a fact
>>24805346ASOAIF is more popular than LOTR and so just has more fanart in general both bad and good
>>24807092Braavos and Pentos where in opposite places when he wrote that. All of the free cities have moved around if you read Dany 1 in AGOT>They had wandered since then, from Braavos to Myr, from Myr to Tyrosh, and on to Qohor and Volantis and Lys, never staying long in any one place. Her brother would not allow it. The Usurper's hired knives were close behind them, he insisted, though Dany had never seen one.The path makes 0 sense unless you switch a few locations around
>>24807328Only the fish people schizos make sense
>>24805149Imagine how good an RPG would be using this map
>>24807328>Empire of the Dawn schizosAll the arguments I see used against them boils down to "nooo muh heckin' based whiterino valyrians are NOT chinese!!1" It's just race autism.
Deciding against the five-year gap is where it all went wrong, right? Workimg the gap in, treating the new book as a distinct sequel to the original trilogy as a whole, and simply allowing things to have simply been backstory is the only way this could have worked.Cause deciding against the gap turned what was a series of books into a shapeless stream of chapters.
>>24808569Yeah bruh 5 year time skip to the Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring story arcs would have been fire.
>>24808569Yes, he needed the time skip. Maybe a novella for Jaime putting out the fires left over from the war. That would have been the best "in between" story to tell. The only really off thing would be....does Stannis just sit on Dragonstone?
>>24808665Stannis has hot and heavy baby making sex with Melisandre
I am bored. Give me a scene from the books to draw.
>>24808569I think GRRM said it only worked for a handful of characters and he had to explain a lot why nothing happened for characters like Jon or Cersie who are in pretty precarious positions. He just should’ve had more time pass over the course the novels.
>>24808872Tyrion’s capture by Catelyn.
>>24808872Draw Stannis convincing the Northern mountains clans to fight for him.I know it wasn't shown in the books but I really wish we got to see it happen.
>>24808910>>24808913aight, if I don't get to finish before the thread ends, I'll post them on the next one
>>24804860>for some reason they made their orcs pig headed monstersThey took it from oldschool DND and Wizardry games.
>>24807089Dunk the lunk will always be thick as a castle wall in my heart.
>>24804497>people are dumb for wanting fantasy in a fantasy show!Another great take George, where's the book
>>24808436>t. Fing-Ching Liaoxiao
>>24807436>They had wandered since then, from Braavos to Myr, from Myr to Tyrosh, and on to Qohor and Volantis and LysThey didn't have to go in a straight line, they were going to whoever would support them (who had been bribed/blackmailed by Illyrio and Varys into taking them on)>The Usurper's hired knives were close behind them, he insisted, though Dany had never seen one.Also concocted and promoted by Illyrio and Varys to keep Viserys and Daenerys "in the news" (to take any eyes off fAegon).
>>24809497>Also concocted and promoted by Illyrio and Varys to keep Viserys and Daenerys "in the news" (to take any eyes off fAegon).I think it was probably just Viserys being paranoid.
>>24809514Viserys was utterly incompetent in every aspect of life, he had no skills or value and sure as hell no diplomatic talent.Without Illyrio and Varys, he had been stabbed by some random thief with Daenerys captured and sold into slavery.
>ADWD>Season 8Choose your ending, gentlemen.
>Valyrians are supposed to be incredibly beautiful>cast anglos
>>24809614The show ended at season 4 and will rebooted with a 10-year-gap version of the story
>>24808569>5 year gap>Bran in a cave with Bloodraven training>Rickon becomes king of the cannibals on Skargos>Arya trains with the faceless men>Sansa in the Vayle pretending to be Littelfingers daughter while avoiding get raped by him (possbily fails that second part)>Jon, lord commander over the 5 year gap or is the Old bear in charge and jon just learns and then the timeskip is the great ranging leading to most of them dying?>Jamie ends the war, goes back to Kings Landing to learn how to fight with his left?>Brienne just wanders Westeros as a hedge Knight I guess?>Dany rules Harpy city, the other free cities don't try to overthrow her out of fear or opportunity since her dragons will only get bigger and tougher to kill>Victarion, Asha, Damphair are the hard ones, Balor is dead is there just no king for 5 years? But Euron returned and has a plan he has in motion, why would Euron just wait 5 years after becoming king before attacking Westeros or sending Vic to get a dragon>Cersei somehow doesn't shit the bed and ruin everything for 5 whole years while regent of Tomen>Tyrion does what, kills his dad and spends 5 years drunk mopping about his life and family while depressed and wanting to rape and murder Cersei before going to find Dany, does he get sent to FAegon and spend 5 years tutoring him?It struggles to work for most of the PoV characters but also requires a most non PoV to sit on their hands for years when they have no reason to. The sparrow movement gets their new High Sparrow and then do nothing? The wars in the free cities, elections in Volantis and Braavos, slave uprisings inpsired by Danys recent conquest of Meereen etc.The main problem is Euron, he killed his brother and came back the next day when dragons came back into the world, made himself king and is going to Oldtown while also getting a dragon. Why would he wait 5 years after being crowned king, or wait 5 years to kill his brother and commence the plan? Its Euron the timeskip just doesn't work for. The timeskip should have had Dany in the grass sea for 5 years. but then she would have kids etc it just gets messy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv7ftmiPJBE Jaehaerysisters... our response?
I don't think the 2nd and 3rd books are very good. Dunk has basically no impact on their outcome. The lord and lady get married whilst he's just there, and after the disaster the last time he went jousting. He for some reason decides to joust again, where once again the outcome is decided without him. If he hadn't even shown up the events in books 2 and 3 are almost unchanged.
The three betrayals will be Danys three dragons. Think about it.
>>24809853>Dany>having kids
>>24809853Plan better from the beginning then as long as we are at it. What he really needed to learn though was it’s best not to show some things and if you really want to have them write in supplemental novellas.
>>24809908How does a dragon betray for gold?
Is Asshai + the Shadowlands really based on India?
>>24810299when westerosi speak of the shadowlands beyond asshai they aren't talking about anywhere in specific, they're using the phrase to describe a place so distant and irrelevant that it can only be filled with unknowably alien horrors. e.g., "the dothraki say that in the shadowlands beyond Asshai, OP would finally get a GF and that's how the world will end"
>>24810299Yes. It even has a disgusting diseased river.
>>24809654This is why animation will always be better than live actionslop. You can convey inhuman beauty and do the source material justice.
>>24809547you have to admit that with that face, he could have become a "king" in Lys
today I will remind you all of how mindbogglingly dumb the show fandom was
>>24810433>gets downvoted for pointing out Shireen's stupidly modern looking "A Song of Ice and Fire" book in a medieval setting. ...I supposse they can get annoying.
>>24809547He was like an eight year old child or something lmao and then never received the counselling or education to become a competent adult, never mind a statesman
>>24810517u don't get it anon, he was mean to the sister he was forced to raise, and even got meaner when he realized he had given up the last memento his mother left him: not her crown, but his sister!so of course, we have to point and laugh when he dies, because we have the reading comprehension of disabled bees.
>>24809547All bro had to do was stay at Illyrios, the Dorne would’ve gave him his crown.
>>24810517>>24810536Viserys exists to fulfill a role in Dany's storyline; I.E to begin her route to autority in autonomy an empowerment. That said, I believe GURM would have made the character much less one dimensional had he realized he was writing himself into a corner by writing Dany's primary caretaker for her entire childhood the way he was. He later had to modify the guy a little once he wanted to delve into Dany's childhood or give her knowledge from that period which she would have only really gotten from him. Assuming they didn't ever stay at any magnate's house for very long, which I do think is the case.
>>24805267>Victarion Greyjoy, King of the Iron Islands, King of Meereen, Lord Reaper of Pyke>Daenerys Targaryen, his salt wifeBig if true
>>24810608GRUM really didn't think the character thru at all.and 8 year old raised a child on his own, teaching her languages, history and geography, along with feeding her, cleaning her and keeping her from harm. Yet still painted as too idiotic to keep himself alive around the dothraki,
>>24810625George hard R martin doesn't think most of these things through. Lannisport is on the western side of Westeros with no one to trade with, they're wealthy because they have gold mines and no other resources in their mountains. He has a rough idea of where he wants the story to be and just glosses over how it got there. It's why the next book is taking so long because he can't gloss over what he's already written
>>24810648for the sake of my sanity, I'll just assume Essossi cities move around, Viserys was a high capacities child, and Lannisport has an airport.The dothraki and Ironborn logic is unsalvageable
>>24810667But everyone's afraid of the Dothraki horde because they have bows and horses! Who needs siege engines or armour?Why did Aegon spare the Ironborn? How does a culture that refuses to buy or sell succeed?
>>24810789I have asked time and time again why the free cities don't just join forces to nuke the dohtraki, but all I get is silence and excuses. VILE EXCUSES.And the Ironborn just... same, but with westerosi coastal cities.
>>24810805same as on westeros, infighting and scheming
>>24810815I am this close to have an Annie WIlkins moment, Anon.
>>24810815>turns out the real monsters were men after allBravo, George!
>>24810789To be fair to the Ironborn, they're not completely unsalvageable like the Dothraki. There are several attempts throughout their history to reject their retarded culture and embrace the ways of the mainlanders. Aeron for example thinks most Ironborn are degenerate sinners because they no longer have their priests completely drown them.They just have the misfortune of being led by Balon at the start of the series, who's the first Grejoy since Dagon to be dumb enough to believe in the old way.
>>24810970every single Ironborn we've seen that isn't a complete retard is hated by most of the rest
>>24810805It would be exceptionally easy to destroy since Vaes Dothrak doesn't allow people to carry weapons once "inside", the city. It also doesn't have walls...Where do the Ironborn get all the wood for their ships from? The Iron islands have no forests, do they pillage a lot of trees?
>>24809908
>>24810608>Dany's primary caretaker for her entire childhoodViserys wasn't taking care of anybody, he couldn't even take care of himself, Illyrio and Varys had agents acting as handlers/servants while Viserys and Daenerys were pawned off from place to place to keep Robert's eye on them and not notice fAegon.
>>24811054>The Iron islands have no forests, do they pillage a lot of trees?The combined Iron Islands are roughly the size of Ireland.
>>24811075still no trees.>>24811141canonically wrong.
>>24811141And? According to the books there are barely any trees on the islands.
>>24810148Power resides where dragons believe it to reside.
Who was the hottest Targaryen twink
>>24811673jon snow's sire
>>24811673
>>24811673The Young Dragon
>>24809853I see no problem with much of this.The five-year-gap was abandoned when the prologue meant to explain what had happened grew so long he just decided to turn it into a whole book. A book that grew so long that it became two books.AFFC and ADWD are loaded with filler and suffer from a huge lack of direction, just because the gardener couldn't stand to not write every detail of what happened in the gap.Imagine if, for whatever reason, AGOT was going to start with a prologue showing Robert's Rebellion. But that gets expanded to include the Tourney at Harrenhall, and eventually becomes its own book, and that turns into three books. And so AGOT became the fourth book. But when he started writing it with an intended 15-year gap, he just couldn't make it work without tons of flashbacks, so then he just writes Robert's entire reign and as of 2047 Jon Arryn hasn't even been killed yet.That didn't happen because GRRM wasn't retarded yet.Seriously, if ADWD opened with the status quo being more or less what it was 3/4 of the way through the book, with a five year timeskip at the beginning, I'd have been perfectly happy. The convenience of a time skip in between installments is it's a big squirt of narrative squid ink to hide plot holes and inconsistencies so you can gloss over minutae instead of getting buried alive in it.
>>24805505Sansa only married Tyrion. What matters is that they were her suitors at some point. It lines up too closely to be a coincidence, so people think it is meant to be foreshadowing for Sansa's story.
>>24809614I chose Preston Jacob's Winds of Winter
>>24808569The main issue was compressing the timeline so much. The whole series takes place in like 2 years. And keep in mind half of that is spent on the first book alone. Everything else, in universe, albeit not for the reader, happens at a ridiculous rushed pace.
>>24810148Lannisters.
>>24809908I kinda like this. So one goes to euron through the magic horn, one to someone wharging most likely john because of the whole targarian blood thing, one to the wights like the show? Maybe one to feagon? Do dragons understand symbols of authority? Doesn't really line up with the whole love gold thing. Would be cool if she lost them, she needs to be taken down a peg desu same with ayra
>>24812311>Would be cool if she lost them, she needs to be taken down a peg desu same with ayraGRRRRM is a male feminist. This won't happen. He may turn her into a villain, but he won't humiliate her.
>>24811157>canonically wrong.Take it up with Gurm.>>24811167>According to the books there are barely any trees on the islands.Gurm is a dumbass.
>>24812341>he won't humiliate her>sunset found her
>>24812341I mean the last chapter we got was her shitting herself by a bubbling brook
>>24812516>>24812523you only think women shitting themselves half to death is humiliating because of the patriarchy. diarrheaic female bowel movements are empowering. if you don't smell the bathroom after your gf dumps a massive watery shit into the toilet and doesn't flush (thats your job as a man) then you are a misogynistic piece of shit and GRRM doesn't want you in his fandom.
>>24812530yeah you're right. I cannot refute your argument. Still you reckon she loses a dragon or two ?
>>24811062Based. Fuck white people.
>>24805346The official stuff that went into TWOIAF is decent, case in point the OP picFan stuff is deviant art tier
>>24805322This motherfucker has influenced succession to keep the bloodline "pure" and secure dragons come back all the way to Daenerys, too many coincidences>Baelor Breakspear the dornish gets got, both his sons get ill and die>Aerys decides to have no kids after being interested in prophecy>next in succession Rhaegel (who?) chokes on a lamprey pie>Maekar's sons, Daeron has dragon dreams, Aerion drinks wildfire >His brother Aemon claimed the dreams of dragons that plagued Daeron eventually led to his death, as they did their brothers Aerion and Aegon.[8]>Aegon's son Duncan the dark haired abdicates for Jenny of Oldstones
>>24811054IIRC it's mentioned in the lore book Great Wyk is the source of their wood.
>>24812656Sad that the books will never come out, because it would be great to see all his plans blow up in his face.Also wasn't there a Preston Jacobs theory that Jaqen H'ghar was actually trying to join the Night's Watch to kill Bloodraven, because the Faceless Man were trying to back Aegon or something?
>>24812717Yeah something along the lines of, the only thing of value he could be looking for in Oldtown is a glass candle to scout for him. And he was arrested the first time Arya met him to be sent to the night's watch to go north of the wall.
>>24812717>>24812736https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJb8n4FZMH4found it
Maybe /grrm/ should write winds, could be fun.
>>24811167It gets even worse when you consider where the Iron islands are located and they're forbidden from reaving Westeros. Meaning they sail around an entire continent to reach Essos. Just put them (and Lannisport) on the EAST
>>24810789>>24810667What I never understood is the free cities themselves. They super rich and powerful with huge mercenary armies to war on each other endlessly, but they have no lesser cities? Or strict borders and towns. Why are the free cities city states and not countries? I mean Braavos is meant to be a stand in of Venice and Rhodes, but Venice had a land empire outside the city and Rhodes was a city state, during Bronze age Greece. So either the free cities need to be radically less technologically advanced and populated to be bronze age tier cities, or they should have a network of towns, villages, lesser cities, forts and seaports.Dothraki makes sense this way, sure they can't take one of the free cities but they can burn and destory most of the outlying villages, and towns etc. But they should have armour if they're Mongolians, but they're not they're more like fantasy Scythians who didn't really have heavy armour. But again its a bronze age nomadic horse peopleTL:DR Westeros is in a forever Medieval period and Essos is in a forever Bronze age period, its the only way it can make sense
>>24812754I can write Hodor chapter.
Could you imagine an alternate history where the ramsay/reek nonsense doesn't happen and the insane jeyne westerling plot doesn't succeed? How much would actually be different from where we're currently left?
>>24812947Even if Robb still married Jeyne Westerling, Walder would never dare do the Red Wedding so as the North was still intact, he's too cowardly and cautious for that.One aspect as to why Roose agreed to the Red Wedding that is under discussed is that by burning Winterfell, Ramsay kind of forced his hand, because if Robb were to go north and find out that Bolton men burned Winterfell, Roose would lose his head.Without Winterfell getting burned, the forces left in the North would probably be able to fight off the Ironborn and retake their fallen castles once Balon dies and Victarion and Asha go back to the islands, so Robb would be able to continue fighting in the Riverlands and Tywin and the Tyrells would probably grind down his forces until he has to agree to a negotiated settlement, probably just that he has bend the knee and is sent back home.Hell, the Lannisters might even send Sansa back, because so long as Robb, Bran and Rickon live, her claim to Winterfell is worthless, and a friendly North would be more useful, because their remaining forces could help take back the Iron Islands.So all in all, more soldiers and smallfolk die because the war lasts longer, but eventually good king Joffrey reigns supreme anyways
>daenerys chapter
>>24812974Aren't you forgetting about someone?
Stannis is the rightful king
>>24812997After Stannis loses on the Blackwater, he thrives on the chaos engulfing the North and the Red Wedding not happening is the worst possible thing that could happen ti him, because he loses the Stormlords, but he can't rally the North so long as Robb is still claiming to be King in the North. If Stannis still goes to the Wall and defeats the Wildlings, the North will see him as a foreign occupier as soon as he rides south of the Gift.And even if Robb bends the knee to the Lannisters, he won't back Stannis because that would mean another war with the Lannisters, but under worse odds and with more ambitious goals. Also the Lannisters would probably take hostages after the war ends, and Robb wouldn't risk endangering them by protecting Stannis.Best ending for Stannis in this scenario is Robb allowing him to take the black out of gratitude for defending the Wall.
>>24813027Robb and Joffrey die though, Stannis cursed them.
>>24813033If Robb's death is inevitable even without the Red Wedding, and he still dies by chocking on his breakfast or something, there's still Bran and Rickon, which would mean that actual governance of the North falls to Catelyn. And if Joffrey dies then there's always Tommen, but that won't really matter because Tywin is running the show in KL anyways.In Dance, Barbrey Dustin says that the Starks were doomed after Winterfell was burned, but without thinking about it you really can't know how much this one event is actually the most decisive moment in the series.And Stannis should've probably cursed Tywin to die, because if Joffrey and Cersei were allowed to run the realm without him, most of the lords would've come running to Stannis before the year was out
>>24813010It is known.
>>24812880GRRM's knowledge of actual history is shockingly bad, which should serve as enough of an explanation for everything that doesn't make sense.
>>24813055Hold up, if Theon didn't attack Winterfell, Bran would never go north.Bloodraven warged into Theon.
>>24810608>>24810625>>24810648>>24810667GRRM has already been slowly retconning Viserys, via Dany's memories, into a much more involved, competent and knowledgeable brother than portrayed in the first novel.There was also an interview last year where he said he realized he killed off a character that was actually necessary for what he planned out, and I'm wondering whether he didn't mean Viserys.
>>24813078Wasn't that Kevan (only competent Lannister supporter in KL)?
>>24813083No, you could easily retcon his death as him having miraculously survived.
>>24811075I consider that unlikely, considering that Dany and him had to eat rotten garbage at times, which does not exactly paint a picture of them having any dedicated caretakers. Even if we indulge your theorybrain it would likely be someone following them from a distance making sure no one stabs them to death or something. Which does not affect my point at all.
>>24813084What if Pycelle also survives?What about the Oberyn poisoning Tywin theory?
>>24808569>Deciding against the five-year gap is where it all went wrong, right?Yeah, kinda. The ultimate reason was his le gardener bullshit and lack of discipline, but scrapping the five-year gap was the final bullet in the head of the series.
>>24813074He's admitted that he's only really read English history deeply, and it's pretty apparent that he only borrowed from cultures outside of that for aesthetics.
>>24813425>He's admitted that he's only really read English history deeplyAnd yet he thinks everyone on Westeros would speak the same language, even when separated by a sea or a fucking gigantic ice wall.
>>24812757I think they still do illegal raids in the north, and they definitely still raid beyond the wall
>>24813507Not everyone has autism about making 30% of the plot revolve around languages and translating.
>>248136061. Sorry, but it should at least be a major plot point when it comes to the Wildlings.2. You're also full of shit because GRRM uses mistranslations and warped terms CONSTANTLY in the setting. Just to take a single example, haven't you noticed that in "Mirri Maz Durr" the "Maz Durr" part sounds exactly like "Master?"
>>24813175>I consider that unlikely, considering that Dany and him had to eat rotten garbage at timesProbably once and only after Viserys acted like a retard and got himself and Daenerys kicked out from whatever noble household was putting them up at the time but Illyrio and Varys would have gotten them a new patron.
>>24813765Even in that case, if they actually had minders tard wrangling Viserys he would have not eaten garbage, because said tard wranglers would have used their stipend to put them into a shitass inn where they served gruel or something.
>>24812880>But they should have armour if they're Mongolians, but they're not they're more like fantasy Scythians who didn't really have heavy armour.I'd say the Dothraki are more like American Plains Indians but who, like the Mongols, enslave civilized technical personal to carry out sieges, build floating bridges and such.
>>24813803> Viserys acts like a retard at some nobleman's home> Illyrio and Varys agent/tard wrangler tries to deal with it> get killed by the nobleman's guards> Viserys and Daenerys get kicked out> takes X amount of time for the news to get back to Illyrio so he can send a new agent/tard wrangler> Viserys and Daenerys "forced to gear garbage!" (i.e. normal peasant food) for a few weeks
>>24813078If Viserys doesn't come back as some kind of bond villain, still branding his golden head, I'm gonna be slightly dissapointed.
>>24813175>shadow man throwing them a hamburger every once in a while>both sibilings assume this is just how the world works
>>24804531Looks like a bimbo. So no.
Randyll Tarly is a good father.
>>24813834>>24813834See this is all headcannon to buttress your theoryslop that has all but supplanted the actual story in your head because of a decade and a half of neglect by Gurm who left to get milk and is now fucking your hot next door neighbor, HBO.
I think winds of winter never coming out is the best result for the series overall. It'll give people in the future a reason to read more closely, and is more likely to prevent its fall into oblivion.
>>24807424Is the better art in the room with us now?
>tfw you read a jon arya reunion fic and realize george will never write the real thing
>>24814394Better than Roose.
>>24814575It's been twelve years I don't know how much more is between the lines for one to read more closely. It's degenerating into nonsense. And delivering more content that does nothing but ask questions with zero answers by way of the spin-off books is not helping.
>>24814820Most of that nonsense is probably more coherent than whatever he'd put out at this point.
why didn't Tywin just marry Sansa himself?
Was Sheepstealer alive after the last Targ dragon died in the pits?
>>24814859yeah. last we hear of Nettles the burned men are worshipping her in the mountains of the moon
>>24814859> dragons are the magical equivalent of nukes> handful of smelly peasants kill them all with wooden spoons.Fucking retarded.
>>24812757>Just put them (and Lannisport) on the EASTBut if Lannisport is in the east then it would have to be called the Easterlands and that just makes people think it'll be full of rabbits and coloured eggs
>>24813078It’s Aemon.
>>24814575>I think winds of winter never coming out is the best result for the series overall. It'll give people in the future a reason to read more closely, and is more likely to prevent its fall into oblivion.Lol no, that's a terrible cope. Much fewer people will want to check out a forever unfinished series that ends of multiple cliffhangers. Unless the books are fnished, once the TV shows are done, the books will start to fade into obscurity.
If the sample chapters are any indication twow will have the same glacial pacing as affc and adwd.
How did the mute boy knew rickon and osha headed to skagoos? He claims to follow them but i find it hard to believe a child could follow expierenced wilding with a direwolf for hundreds of miles without getting spotted. So i have two theoriesThe boy is trolling davos and manderly and he choose skagos because it's the funniest place he could think of. Maybe what he says is true and he follow rickon and osha but got spotted by them. Osha said she will protect him but once they reach white harbor he has to tell manderlys bullshit lie that will only waste wyman time. My second theory is actually more plausible, George is a shitty writer, this could also be proven by him including Aegon and Lady Stoneheart in the books
>>24815218The sample chapters are like a decade out of date at this point, he's probably rewritten them 10 times by now.
>>24814994It was the will of the Seven, just like the doom of Valyria
>>24812311>Doesn't really line up with the whole love gold thing.Tyrion is a hidden Targaryen.
>>24815222I think Manderly could be simply lying to Davos. The plan makes no sense anyway, he sends one man to look for a child he never seen to a giant island full of cannibals. Yeah Rickon is suppose to be with a wilding woman and a direwolf. But what is Davos suppose to do? Go from village to village and just ask people? I think Wyman Manderly just made up the story to fuck with Davos.
>>24809911>When she woke, gasping, her thighs were slick with blood.She has periods, she can have kids.
>>24809654yeah make them cast italian or greek shit like that because i believe valyria empire were some ASOIAF equivalent of rome/byzantine
>>24815222Shaggy-dog stories play upon the audience's preconceptions of joke-telling. The audience listens to the story with certain expectations, which are either simply not met or met in some entirely unexpected manner.[2] A lengthy shaggy-dog story derives its humour from the fact that the joke-teller held the attention of the listeners for a long time (such jokes can take five minutes or more to tell) for no reason at all, as the long-awaited resolution is essentially meaningless,According to Partridge and the Morrises, the archetypical shaggy-dog story involves an advertisement placed in the Times announcing a search for a shaggy dog. In the Partridge story, an aristocratic family living in Park Lane is searching for a lost dog, and an American answers the advertisement with a shaggy dog that he has found and personally brought across the Atlantic, only to be received by the butler at the end of the story who takes one look at the dog and shuts the door in his face, saying, "But not so shaggy as that, sir!"
>>24815252But then the question becomes, why does Lord Lamprey even bother? Because anything he does with Davos except kill him puts him in hot water with the Lannisters and Lord Too-fat-to-sit-a-horse wouldn't risk their ire without a good reason, he says so himself
>>24815279I am assuming that he's not sure if Stannis would be able to win even with Manderly support. So in case Stannis loses no one will probably know about Davos since Manderly probably assumes he will die in Skagos. In case Stannis wins Manderly can just tell he didn't actually execute Davos just send him on a noble quest to find a kid and davos just died looking for him.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/06/22/hbo-game-of-thrones-conspiracy-theory-preston-jacobs/
>>24815320>Are there connections you can draw between the political intrigue and international affairs of the series and your day job at the State Department?>I would say that in real life, diplomats are much more careful and thoughtful than the protagonists in Game of Thrones. Our protagonists are kind of idiots, they’re easily manipulated by these schemers, the Littlefingers and the Varyses. The book is also filled with conspiracies, as is George R. R. Martin’s other writing. He likes having these large conspiracies that are controlling things, and in real life those things don’t exist. In the real world, you can’t get a hundred people to keep a secret. Everything leaks in the government.>Outside of YouTube, he has worked as an auditor for the US State Department and lived in multiple different parts of the world. He was in Frankfurt, Germany in 2017.[1] He currently lives in Taipei.So is he really CIA? I thought those were just memes
>>24815222>>24815252>- It's over Rhaegar, Robert has the high ground, where is my sister??? >- Oh hi Ned there's like a tower in mountainous part of that country-sized region of our continent called Dorne's I keep her there ok brb dying (dies). >Ned, and his boys, who've never even been to Dorne before, go and find the Tower of Joy in the Red MountainsOk >- Hey Stannis, it looks like your big brother left quite a few wild seeds across the entire fucking Westeros ,if you know what I mean. Seeing as he is the king now, I think it would be best if we found them so that we can keep an eye of them. >- Sure thing, Jon Arryn. >they go and find all of them based just on rumors of Robert's conquests Ok>"Hey Jorah, go to Essos, find Dany and infiltrate her court, even though you have the investigative skills of a blind and lobotomized bear and your characterization is defined by you being a gullible oaf with no subtle bone in your whole body" >Jorah does just thatOk>"I, Barristan Selmy, a knight with no detective skills whatsoever, will go to Essos, find the exiled Dany who is actively hiding, and pledge my allegiance to her!">Selmy does just thatOk>"I, Arya Stark, pledge to kill the men I mention in my prayer, even if they be spread all over the world!">Actually encounters one such man after another across both Westeros and Essos. Ok>- The crows are sending out a great ranging, Rattleshirt.>- Good, I'll go scour the region that is approximately several dozen times the size of Skagos and try to find the crow who runs the rangers in Benjen's stead so that we can kill him>Rattleshirt does literally that. Ok>"Davos you're a smuggler with decades of experience, your whole thing is finding and hiding, can you find a noble child with a wildling women and a fuckign direwolf on a sparsely populated isle?"IMPOSSIBRU~It's generally much easier to find people in Westeros than you would reasonably assume for a fuckoff hueg place like that.
>>24815279>>24815299The one fucking thing Stannis is known for is executing turncoats even of they turn coat Tto his own side, just for being turncoats. Wyman knows that envoys or not, Stannis sees him as a dead man walking since the moment he even pretended to bend the knee to Cersei. If Wyman just went and readily kissed Stannis' ring to get his revenge on the Freys, Stannis would commend his choice and honesty and then immediately order him burned alive for treason, and then probably like marry Wylla to one of his knights to give the White Harbor over to him. So if Wyman indeed plans to throw in with Stannis and betray Cersei and her lackeys, he needs good leverage on Stannis and a proof that he truly maintains his loyalty to Starks. Stannis needs a pliant Stark to sit in Winterfell, and Wyman needs to show that his mummery of submitting to the Iron Throne was done all in service of saving the life of his sovereign, a Stark. So getting Rickon is a wonderful twofer that makes Wyman both useful and not a total fatass traitor who must be made into an example. And doing it through Davos is both convenient (Wyman doesn't need to risk his own fat chins or your men) and earns credit to Davos, who's one of like three people whom Stannis trusts, so that Davos might further portray Wyman in positive light to Stannis. And it is all fully totally completely deniable if nothing works out. It's all around a damn reasonable plan, though it relied almost entirely on pure dumb luck to fulfill the prerequisites for it, like Wyman getting his hands on Wex and Davos arriving to parley alone with nothing but his boots to his name.
>>24814854His oneitis cousin got creampied by Aerys II and he is still seething about it.
>>24815425didn't stop him banging Shae
Do you think Doran is a deliberate self insert of GRRM? Like when you first read the books it's easy to think both Doran and Martin are some geniuses with plans within plans. But on rereads you realize that their plans are really shitty and by stupid decisions and their inaction they both ruined their legacy. Martell dynasty will be probably mostly gone because in the end Doran supported the wrong dragon, and because show turned out to be complete shit, Martin will be remembered mostly for not being able to finish the story he started.
>>24815544>in the end Doran supported the wrong dragonThere is no right one.
Is Dunk actually considered attractive
>>24815364>StannisWill return to the Wall and get killed by the Others.
>>24815253you absolute fucking retard.
>>24815712Wrong.
>>24815544>Doran supported the wrong dragonhe supported a decent bet of a dragon, he just let him roam the streets of Essos as a hobo instead of kidnapping him, dying his hair and giving him a kingly education, like any person with a brain would do,God I hate Doran.
Do you think the fatman has actualy written in his will to burn the whatever he has of winds and all the notes (assuming he has any) as one big last fuck you to the fans?
>>24815877Now i think about it, what exactly was the varys and illyrio plan with dany and her retarded brother? Did they plan on viserys dying in some stupid way? Would dothraki even honor a deal if viserys was dead and help aegon? I wonder if aegon was actually planned from the beginning because it sure doesn't seem like it
>>24815879Assuming his wife survives him, Paris, Elio and Linda are going to overrule him and will force a release of the Winds of Winter and will probably find someone else (likely Abraham and Corey) to finish Dream. They said they wouldn't do it anymore, but when they get the blank check from Simon and Schuster to finish the most anticipated book of the century, they'll change their minds.
>>24815894I hope so, also i hope they would overrule the stupid autistic decision to only have 2 more books. Because no way they can finish the story in satisfying way in such short span unless maybe by dividing eacb book into 2 parts, which was done with dance in my country
>>24815900>the stupid autistic decision to only have 2 more booksAgreed. He doesn't want to split it more and we're seeing the consequences of it because The Winds of Winter can't actually fit inside of The Winds of Winter no matter how many times George rewrites the book. He has some holdups with Bran and Samwell, but it's clear that he wants Winds to end in a way that he can finish the story in 1500 pages... which means Dany needs to be heading to Westeros or arriving in Westeros by the end of Winds.
>>24815891George forced Viserys' dead into the plot, since he was originally meant to die and be avenged by Dany.And then he realized it would be could to have more than one Targaryen, so he made up Aegon on the spot.
>>24815937If Aegon is a retcon what the fuck did Arya hear Varys and Illyrio talking about?I can agree that it might've been a Brightflame or even some Descendant of Maegor before he settled on the Blackfyre plot, but a fake Targaryen was set up in 1994.
>>24815944>what the fuck did Arya hear Varys and Illyrio talking about?Jon Arryn's murder, Daenerys and Viserys.
>>24815872THE FYRE RISES
>>24815326Maester Pavel!
>>24815364>It's all around a damn reasonable plan, though it relied almost entirely on pure dumb luck to fulfill the prerequisites for it, like Wyman getting his hands on Wex and Davos arriving to parley alone with nothing but his boots to his name.That's the thing, it's all a little too hard to believe. Especially that Wex somehow menaged to follow rickon and osha and a direwolf without getting spotted. I mean i guess he could just go after their tracks, get food from smallfolk who didn't know he was ironborn, just some mute stray kid but it's still too convenient. Almost as if it was fake or George got extremely lazy. Like how did he even overhear they were going to Skagos? They would 100% recognize him since there were like what? 20 ironborn in winterfell? How did they get to skagos without being recognize. I know rickon was believed to be dead but a child travelling with a giant wolf wpuld still get some attention. Did the Umber helped Rickon? Was it wildlings? I doubt Osha menaged to sail there alone, the waters around Skagos are said to be very dangerous. It just makes very little sense to me and Wex story definitely stands out as a weirdest part of Dance of Dragons.
I know more likely explanation is just George being lazy but what if Wex was sent to Manderly by Ramsey? Ramsey knows Rickon and Bran are still alive. He doesn't know where but i assume he has his men looking for them throughout the north. Maybe he deliberately sent Wex to spread misinformation, kinda like with sending the pink letter. So they waste time to search for Rickon in Skagos while he actually finds Rickon in the north, and the rickon dearh from the tv show happens during the battle of bastards after the stannis possible defeat. It would also nicely fit into the whole shaggydog type story menaing anticlimatic red herring. But again Jon vargs into shaggydog that eats an unicorn.unicorns live in skagos. I finally became what i always feared. Asoiaf conspiracy theorist that tries to rationalize grrm lack of planning.
>>24815872That’s not daemon blackfyre
first for Leyton Hightower, the Loremaster, the arcane protector of the realm
>>24815441He fucked Shae out of seething hatred of the deformed cuckold spawn of Aerys.
>>24815814> 6ft9 yeah he was
>>24805267Eat shit Maekar you died for nothing, the Peake shall inherit the planetos
>you absolute fucking retard.
>>248169606' 11" actually.
>>24815326>He likes having these large conspiracies that are controlling things, and in real life those things don’t exist.
>>24817582>Dunk is a member of the smallfolkIs actually really big and tall>Egg is a member of the royal family and isn't a smallfolkIs actually really smallKino
>>24815351Imo Stannis finding Robert's bastards is not that crazy (still improbable, though). He does have Davos and a dutybound unbreakable iron autism. Plus a reliable source of where Robert traveled around by way of Robert himself or his friends.>>24817639Cornfed freaks do exist, to be fair. Live long enough and you will see some absolute ogre just walking around.
>>24817685>Imo Stannis finding Robert's bastards is not that crazyPoint is - finding Rickon on Skagos is not any harder than finding the whole lot of Robert's byblows across the entire continent.
>>24817685>Live long enough and you will see some absolute ogre just walking around.Can confirm, am ogre.
>>24816196>Especially that Wex somehow menaged to follow rickon and osha and a direwolf without getting spotted.I think he just went with them, openly, and they flat out told him that they are going to Skagos to hide, and that Wex should find help if he can, and he'll be rewarded for it. Wex is not blind, he knows that his master is fucking done for and he should find someone else to attach himself to. >Did the Umber helped Rickon?Quite possibly. Or the Wildlings. >I doubt Osha menaged to sail there aloneFfs it's like someone saying "Arya will end up in Essos" before the release of ASoS and you going >"Ekshkooze me ehhhm how did a little girl just up and crossed the Narrow sea huh? I don't remember her being an olympic-class swimmer huh, she'd probably drown. Maybe you're implying that she picks up the skills necessary for operating a sea-worthy vessel and obtained a ship of her own, and then operated it solo, charting course and setting sail, all alone, AS A CHILD??? That's a little hard to believe is what I'm saying"
>>24804497Good thinking from the man who praised his wife for suggesting dragons. I mean she was right in as much as the dumb masses also buy the books for dragons. But none of that interests him.
>>24804596The amount of confirmed humanoids in the series (as opposed to whacky myth tales) are what: children of the forest, giants.
>>24805149The map is so shit it makes My First LOTR clone homebrews look good. Two rectangles. No understanding of how rain shadows would be cast. Climate zones are a mess. The random blotches of ZONE OF INTEREST AND INTRIGUE look like a WarCraft map zone expansion. Gay, gay, gay.
>>24817960Why is Dorne a desert?
>>24817960le_rotated_Europe.png
>>24817960lmao who cars
>>24818196apparently you car'd enough to reply
Just because Duncan is tall doesn’t mean he has a big dick. It’s probably moderate sized.
>>24818246Agreed, but you know Maekar was packing that SCHMEAT
>>24818246Him just having a proportional dick would already been pushing it. The reality is that he is packing an average size one but looks like a micro on his body.
>>24818297So that's how Baelor Breakspear died. 'twas no mace.
>>24818322More like Gaylor Buckbroke.
>>24817920oh, hey...
I have been waiting since 2011.
No, seriously, what the fuck were Aerea and Balerion doing in Valyria for a whole fucking year?
>>24817960>The map is so shitIndeed. GRRM has Dorne, a desert with vast literal dune seas like Arrakis and right next door is the Stormlands, essentially the Pacific Northwest with a temperate rainforest...
>>24818537
I stopped watching the show when Stannis burned his kid because it made it seem too much like they were just going for as-evil-as-possible shock value at that point. Now I’m coming back a decade later watching just from that point, and not having read the books since Dance came out, and not rewatching anything since I hate rewatching things.So I’m looking forward to basically watching the worst half-show of all time.
>>24818446You wouldn't want to peel this onion
>>24818542I was showing the show to two friends and we stopped on like the episode before Hardhome, and I think Hardhome is the last "good" episode of the show. Mixed feels we didn't finish Season 5 because on a positive note, they didn't see Stannis burn Shireen and their last scene of Stannis was him being a good dad.
>>24818484"Hmm perhaps a third breakfast is in order"*bookfag bursts through GRRM's window*"It's almost done!">FINISH IT. FINISH IT!" I've written another 100 pages!"
>>24818743"Mayhaps another prequel!"
>>24818542>>24818575Turns out I’d misremembered and had actually continued watching to the end of S7, so I’m just watching S8 by itself.I was thinking it wouldn’t be as bad as they say, but it’s pretty bad. They just keep putting pairs of characters together that they think would have “interesting” conversations without any regard to a plot, and then the dialogue itself is fanfic tier and doesn’t move anything forward.
>>24805398Take away their religious independence.Aenys allowed them to expel septons from the islands, take away that right and just watch all the thralls and smallfolk start converting.
>>24812880>They super rich and powerful with huge mercenary armies to war on each other endlessly, but they have no lesser cities?They do.All along the Rhoyne are a bunch of smaller cities that apparently belong to Volantis. They're called towns but are apparently larger than any city in Westeros.I assume the Disputed Lands are also full of towns and farms and shit, since mercenary armies fighting each other does sound quite civilized. Instead of constantly sacking towns they just change hands over and over.
>>24814994To be fair, there were only two adult dragons, one of which was chained and had the roof fall in and kill it.The Warrior came down and killed the other.
>>24814994Humans with weapons > gay evil magic
Andals lost. Valyrians lost.Rhoynar lost.
>>24818322Gaelor Breakbuck and he was a good friend...
>>24818537GRRM is a hack who didn't even look into the basics of geography and ecology.
>>24819529Blonde Andal bimbos Purple-eyed Valyrian whores Brown Rhoynar sluts All bound by the law of Prima Nocta to perform for their northern lords...
>>24818933The thralls might convert, but the smallfolk would be harder to change. From the few chapters we had in the Iron Islands we can see that piracy provides this class with greater possibilities for social advancement. the alternative would be to fish or work in the darkness of the iron mines under the same feudal system as the rest of the continent.
>>24819529I like to think (cope) he has changed it by now.Maybe being old and fat made him less inanely averse to satisfactory story conclusions.
>>24820024I think he is beyond the stage of being able to change things, its why winds is never coming.
>>24820256his mom is gay and he is a test tube baby...
How will GRRM fuck over our KING? Self imposed exile feels likely, I just want him to have a happy ending, but there’s no way he does.
>>24820648Just leaves him dead.
>>24819529Stannisbros…..
Do you think Lyanna enjoyed having sex with Rhaegar
>>24821147Of course, why else would you damn an entire nation, and her family? Thats what good dick does to a woman.
>>24818872It isn’t actually that bad. It’s extremely, inexcusably rushed, but the outcomes make sense. At least, the outcomes in a scenario where “the white walkers kill everyone” wasn’t an acceptable ending.The Jaime ending especially feels like what GRRM wanted, and I think people misunderstand it. He’s fronting it as a heel-turn to Brienne so it hurts her less, and going back to die with Cersei as a combination of a last act of penance, and an act of mercy towards what’s essentially an overgrown womanchild that didn’t really mean to cause any of this. Bran already told him he was going to die, and he just realized what that meant he had to do.
>>24821279>big evil guy was evil because he sucked at singingBravo Tolkien.
>>24821352>He’s fronting it as a heel-turn to Brienne so it hurts her lessThis was my initial interpretation but that's definitely not portrayed that way in the show. Or the show does a poor job of getting it across to the viewer, like I know it sort of implies Jamie rang the bells iirc. Crazy thing is they only needed like one scene to convey this and not completely destroy Jamie arc, and that's establish that Cersei doesn't plan to surrender and maybe relay it through that stupid Bron/Jamie/Tyrion scene. Then have Jamie attempt to get to the city, attempt to surrender the city die in the process with Cersei, so we as the audience know he tried to do the right thing but none of the other character will know he tried to do the right thing, kind of like the killing of the mad king.
>>24821448They could have hammered it in harder yeah. But I think that was the intention. Idk if they’ve said otherwise in interviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itbXb6nV2UgJesus man
>>24821674I have no memory of watching this but have liked several of the comments. I need to get off YouTube.
>>24821674I love these books and I could care less if he ever finishes them. I hate the fanbase to the point where I hope he doesn’t finish.
>>24821443>le gray and gray morality
>>24821728Yeah I really want the show ending to be the only canon ending. I don’t want the possibility of George giving danyfags and targfags any W’s. Let em seethe forever
>>24817960I can worldbuild way better than GRRM but I can't come up with any stories to tell within those worlds. Fuck my life.
>>24822115Nigger you get the story first then you world build
>>24822115Just steal shit from real history and other fantasy series and tweak it a little like George does
>>24822126Yeah I'm too autistic for that, I have to make the world first so I can make sure its geologically, ecologically, climatologically, and sociologically realistic.
>>24821728>>24821957I have the same opinion on the ending as I had when I first read it in 2011.The only ending that fits with his whole thesis and theming is for them all to die to the white walkers. Anything else is a cop out.Maybe, MAYBE have the COTF then kill the walkers and start rebuilding, but not until all humans are dead.
>>24822178I cannot think of a less satisfying conclusion to a story than "rocks fall everyone dies."
>>24822244The ending of every story is everyone dies, some writers are just cowards
>>24822247Ending the series with everyone dying to the others would unironically be worse than the show ending. It would be the ultimate form of SuBvErTiNg ExPeCtaTiOnS.
>>24822299It’s literally the only ending that makes sense with the themes and worldview of the series.
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>>24814619I dont know if we saw the same fic but if you read mysticalmuddle then I agree with you that george will not be able to write them half as good as that fic. Here is a link https://archiveofourown.org/works/26618530and a sample: Now he washed her chest, the dips of her ribs, and her breasts carefully, with the lightest touch he could. As he touched her navel, dried blood lingering there absurdly like it’d soaked through her stained shirt, as he was making it fleck off with each touch, she said at last in an unhappy little voice, “Does someone take care of you already?” And then with rancor, “She does a poor job. Jon, I could do better.”It struck him dizzy, how much he’d missed her. Arya had been his most ardent defender; if he’d been the one to wipe away more of her tears than she had his, t’was only because he was older. “No,” Jon rasped out, and rested his hand on her belly, feeling it rise and fall with each of her fast breaths.He had a passel of squires he didn’t want, and aides for everything from war-advise to how best to distribute Winterfell’s fast-disappearing stores. Jon knew women a little better now, and he wasn’t ignorant of Wynafryd Manderly’s long looks, or even the way the chambermaid lingered as she poured out fresh wash water at the end of the night.None of them, not even one of those many people, had ever cried unfair that Jon must sit with the squires on feast days, or stay home when all his other siblings might ride to White Harbor.None would ever throw themselves from a horse to reach him faster, or say his name as if their heart was breaking with joy. None would hold the news of his death so tightly they’d faint at the very sight of him. None would ever demand he take their socks off, or call him stupid when he spoke without thought.Jon couldn’t imagine a single one of them ever looking at him with eyes wet for sheer sorrow that he’d been alone.“No one,” and he wanted it so much that it choked him. He wanted her care back so much that he could barely speak. It just seemed too much to ask, when all he’d ever prayed for was that she come back to him, even if she came back a stranger. Even if they lost the closeness they’d had, the closeness he craved.Arya looked so wary now, as if he’d ever turn her away. He croaked out, “Will you? Will you look after me?”Tears clung to the thick fringe of her lashes. She was reaching for him, that beautiful mindless reach, knowing he would reach back. Jon wanted to spend the rest of his life reaching back. He folded her into his arms, the edge of the tub biting into his stomach and the bathwater soaking his shirt through, and he pressed his temple to her shoulder and shuddered out years’ worth of worry and fear in a single choking breath.
