RE: /wng/

@24804622
The only thing worse than your pathetic trolling is that series.

what did you do to make a thread that got deleted

>>24804635
There was a raid, and they spammed porn in the thread. Jannies couldn't be bothered deleting it and just deleted the thread.

>>24804627
>>24804622
Not him, but why u so butthurt?

>>24804670
You ever notice how the worse a series is the more it gets spammed? Yeah, that.

>>24804689
Author here, you must be as jelly as hell.

I am writing a webnovel
-it has graphic sex scenes (including rape) of 18+ characters
-there are no underage sex scenes, but it's heavily implied that certain major characters (including allies of MC, but not the MC himself) are pedos
-the mc is evil and incredibly racist (not against humans, but against elves, dwarves, other humanoid races, it's an isekai)
Where can I publish this without risk of it being taken down for being against the tos? My intention is not to glorify sexual violence, pedophilia or racism, but people who skim read it might think it is
It is also not smut, the sex scenes probably take up less than 10% of the book but are essential for understanding characters and the plot as a whole

>>24804795
Reader here, and not a single iota.

>>24804798
Go away Abercrombie

>>24804627
Just ignore it and report him for advertising. Two of his shillposts got deleted in the previous thread before the raid began

If I wanted to write a web novel series half as fucked up as the rance series, were could I post it?

>>24804798
As long as the content is not illegal, AO3 allows pretty much anything to be posted.

>>24804849
For the last time, we don't care. You're both annoying twats.

>>24804849
fucking SCHIZO

>>24804866
Kung Pow was supposed to be a comedy

>>24804798
Anything other then posthumously mentioned sex scenes is an instant dropped from me. Sorry anon but if I want porn I'll watch porn.

>>24804798
>essential for understanding characters and the plot
This is such a tragicomical coomer cope. What essential does penis in vagina convey about your story and characters, other than that they exist just for the author's fetishes?

>>24804884
Tragicoomical one night say

>>24804884
In one of the chapters I've written so far the MC tricks a mentally disabled woman into having sex with him. It demonstrates the MC's lack of morals, and the woman's naivety, innocence and dumbness (she doesn't know what sex even is)
The dialogue is pretty important imo for understanding the MC and the woman (she plays a pivotal role in the arc)

>>24804892
Sounds like coomer garbage

>>24804892
>other than that they exist just for the author's fetishes

>>24804892
This reads like you wrote the sex scene first and then dressed it up with story afterwards.

I mean , you can easily domthe same without the sex. Protagnists taking advantage of the disabled is not literary new grounds.

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>>24804604
Is this dialogue natural?

The working idea is to write a story about how a divorced dad and his two sons get isekaid, where the dad becomes Odin, while his sons form kingdoms.

>>24804934
>leaking nudes on a dead weeb image board is supposed to be bad

How many chapters do ou guys stockpile before releasing to RR?

>>24804944
enough

>>24804944
1 book's worth.

>>24804934
Trash

>>24804934
Incredibly unnatural, reads like a cross between the shitty stuff quirky omg women would bring to creative writing class at uni and lolbad shite fanfics on wattpad

>>24804901
I wrote the story by making the MC meet this mentally disabled person, and just wrote naturally what came to mind. And the character I'm portraying would definitely take advantage of her. It's a small part of the arc, he later uses the fact that she lost her virginity to frame the non-humans and basically start a revolution in the village, not because it benefits him but because he's a true racist
>I mean , you can easily domthe same without the sex.
You can't, it's not as inherently disgusting if it's not sexual. Fang Yuan was evil, but he wasn't disgusting, I'm trying to create an evil and disgusting MC.

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>>24804604
>Try to make my first chapter
>It's too serious, better lighten it up
>It's too casual, i better add some stakes
>It's too bloated, i better trim it down
>It's too thin, the premise and hook isn't obvious
>Im stuck, i should keep thinking this part until it comes out right
>Im stuck, maybe i should write something else...?
>Im stuck
>Im stuck
>Im stuck
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
IM JUST TRYING TO WRITE SLOP, WHY IS IT SO FUCKING HARD?!?!?!

>>24805003
Write the whole thing then edit it down

>>24804981
>>24804986
That feedback really doesn't give me anything to work with, though I still appreciate your thoughts.

>>24805000
You completely missed the point of RI. You just want to write coom/goon garbage, that is all.

>>24805011
I'm not trying to replicate RI, I'm trying to write something different.
Fang Yuan is a protagonist who is evil, but has a grand goal that he's perseveres to achieve no matter the challenges he faces.
My protagonist is nothing like that, the only thing they have in common is that he also has no morals. He is a sex pest, an alcoholic, a domestic abuser, a coward, lazy, and has no aspirations other than hatred and degeneracy. I have yet to see a protagonist like this, which is why I'm writing the novel.
>You just want to write coom/goon garbage, that is all.
The sex scene is mostly dialogue, it's not intended to be porn and the graphic descriptions are minimal.

>>24805010
boys that young don't speak like that. a divorcee who let himself go wouldn't speak like that either.
eight-year-old boys DON'T like going fishing, especially a restless eight-year-old boy, they wouldn't have the patience for it.
cut the description, learn "show not tell" (I hate this saying but maybe people like you should follow it, you're not telling anything of substance and neither are you showing anything)
it's physically painful to read your work so that's all the feedback you're getting now.

>>24805018
>My protagonist is nothing like that, the only thing they have in common is that he also has no morals. He is a sex pest, an alcoholic, a domestic abuser, a coward, lazy, and has no aspirations other than hatred and degeneracy. I have yet to see a protagonist like this, which is why I'm writing the novel.
This is just a pathetic person, nobody will read your story because of the protagonist.

>>24805033
What's wrong with a pathetic protagonist? Or are you unable to enjoy a MC you can't self-insert yourself into?

>>24805003
This is funny because the typical reader doesn't care about a single one of those.

>>24805037
>What's wrong with a pathetic protagonist?
Not interesting
Or are you unable to enjoy a MC you can't self-insert yourself into?
Yes

>>24805018
>He is a sex pest, an alcoholic, a domestic abuser, a coward, lazy, and has no aspirations other than hatred and degeneracy.
Realistically speaking you're talking about a person that would have trouble getting up from his bed in the morning much less construct this grand conspiracy against all the other races besides humans
If he's such a wreck of a human being, even with a system he probably won't have the drive to do much besides rape women and getting drunk

>>24805042
>grand conspiracy
it's not a grand conspiracy, he just sees the opportunity to absolve his own guilt and slander the non-humans in the spur of the moment when it's revealed that the woman (actually a saintess, which he didn't know) lost her divine powers after losing her virginity.
the arc ends in the middle of the "revolution" (really just a large scale lynching) when it's revealed that a bishop is coming to the town to investigate, and he along with another instigator quickly escape before they're caught, leaving the town behind in a mess

>>24804934
Why does the adult use contractions but the kids don't? That threw me off more than anything else. Also, as another anon said it's not believable that a kid that young would enjoy fishing. Replace it with something else or build up the fact that he likes fishing ahead of time with some sort of explanation. Also also, make the kid's lines shorter and more stilted and emotional.

"But dad, you said that last time." -> "But... You said that last time!"

It's phenomenal how the RIfag manages to shit up every thread. It's always some whole new, superficially innocent box of idiocy, from which he soon jumps out, if you make the tragic mistake of replying. Like he spends all his days coming up with new ideas how to farm engagement in this dumb fucking thread

>>24805031
>boys that young don't speak like that.
I don't agree, but I can at least I can see where you are coming from.
>a divorcee who let himself go wouldn't speak like that either.
That's just a bizarre take. They absolutely can.
>eight-year-old boys DON'T like going fishing,
I did when I was eight, so...
>restless eight-year-old boy
You haven't been around children much, have you? They are determined to do X, but once they actually do it, they often get bored quickly. They really don't know what they want.
>cut the description, learn "show not tell"
Respectfully, I don't think you know what that means. It is a screenplay advice for starters. Because it refers to expository dialogue, such as "as you know".
Note that the fishing trip is never directly referenced in dialogue; the only reference to it is the fishing rod, which is showing, because you have to infer the context. I guess you could say divorce is more implicit, but it isn't direct either.

I can't take your critique seriously because you are not affording any suspension of disbelief.

>>24805052
Those are actually valid points.
>not believable that a kid that young would enjoy fishing
Except that.
Either way, they have to fish because that's where they will get isekaid.

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>>24805018
>He is a sex pest, an alcoholic, a domestic abuser, a coward, lazy, and has no aspirations other than hatred and degeneracy. I have yet to see a protagonist like this, which is why I'm writing the novel.
That's just Rance.

>>24805102
Fair enough, that was honestly the least of my gripes. Just know the kid will be seen as a bit of an oddball because of it. If you want you could lean into that. Or do what you mentioned to the other anon and make him quickly get bored once they start fishing. Or you could spin it as he doesn't actually care about the fishing part, he just likes the water and spending time with dad and it's the only excuse he can think of.

>>24805093
This is my third post here today. It's these smut readers/writers who always shit up threads.

>>24805050
>the woman (actually a saintess, which he didn't know) lost her divine powers after losing her virginity.
Most retarded trope ever, probably the shittiest trope in the history of literature.

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Shit, I tried so hard to get my backlog ready and launch before the meme month and the following discord campaign month, but it doesn't seem like I can

>>24805050
>the arc ends in the middle of the "revolution" (really just a large scale lynching) when it's revealed that a bishop is coming to the town to investigate, and he along with another instigator quickly escape before they're caught, leaving the town behind in a mess
Is that first arc indicative of the rest of the story? He goes to another town to rape someone else and flees?
Would you read a story like that?
>>24805128
I never played the games but he's not a coward, lazy and with no aspirations, being a player avatar he does, fights and fucks too much to be anything but an active protagonist

>>24805155
So you want to write Rance but he doesn't do anything? He is all of those things btw.

>>24805144
I'm convinced this is bait. Who in their right mind would write such a repulsive character in the MC role, then have him take advantage of a mentally retarded girl who is also a Saint. This isn't moralfag shit, I just cannot imagine anyone legitimately thinking this would be enjoyed by anyone.

I want to see them post their writing. If this shit is real, it must be the edgiest, most tone deaf nonsense ever.

>>24804835
ao3

>>24805172
I expect it to be something like:
>...and that young mans name?
> Donald Trump!

>>24804835
in my google drive. NOW

>>24805172
Most if not all rape happens because rapists just wants to rape. Trying to justify it or make it a part of some grand plan is retarded. Only coomers would ever come up with something like that.

>>24804892
>In one of the chapters I've written so far the MC tricks a mentally disabled woman into having sex with him
Rance does this several times in multiple games.

>>24805178
>Donald Trump Isekai
>His cheat is getting a small loan of a million gold coins
I would read it

>>24805172
Thomas Covenant basically does this and it's a classic of the genre.

>>24805192
And Donaldson is one of the greatest fantasy writers of his generation, the fact the MC does such a terrible thing and you still empathise with his situation is a testament to that. I somehow doubt anon is on that level. Donaldson also wasn't writing some edgelord bullshit for the memes or lulz or to fap to.

>>24805172
>I want to see them post their writing.
here is that specific scene: https://pastebin.com/QMhyEQH3
>>24805172
>I'm convinced this is bait. Who in their right mind would write such a repulsive character in the MC role, then have him take advantage of a mentally retarded girl who is also a Saint
this type of stuff happens all the time in real literature, read lolita or even dostoevsky (raskalnikov with sonya, the censored chapter of demons, the second part of notes from the underground)

>>24805141
>he just likes spending time with dad and it's the only excuse he can think of.
that's essentially the point

Putting my webnovel on pause so I can learn to type.

>>24805276
TYPING ANON EVOLUTION FROM 30WPM TO 200?!

>Novel is now so long that ChatGPT cannot analyze it

Well, now I need to interact with humans. SHIT.

>>24804637
it wasn't exactly a raid. two coomers got in a posting war over whose fetish was better or some shit but at least one of them was an existing wng poster who had been posting about smut webnovels

>>24805327
a foolish endeavor, my fetish is better.

anyways, is paying for adds worth it?

>>24805334
On RR it's the only way you'll get expose without sucking cock. I go through the ads though and lots of stories are barely updated and have small patreons so I wonder why the users even bothered. Like, why pay for an add if you're putting up one chapter every 2 weeks to a month?

>>24805172
there's plenty of good fiction about bad people. lolita is a classic and it's about a pedorapist

>>24805337
I have become so cheap over the years that I am now considering sucking cock...

Well, I do update weekly and have a decent backload, so I guess I could spare a dollar and get an add.

>>24805345
>rapist
nah she wanted it

>>24805230
I stand corrected. You are legitimate, so I'll give legitimate feedback.

If you're going for a depraved, reprehensible character, then the excerpt you posted doesn't actually show that. Yes, he does horrible shit, but there's no substance behind it.
It all comes off as very dry and proceeds so quickly and without any obstacles that it's a wonder retardo saint hasn't been violated daily for years already.
The MC's reactions make it seem like he doesn't even care about what he's doing, like a robot that is just doing an evil act for no reason, not even pleasure. This is in contrast to the horrible reprobrate you say you're trying to portray.
I know you said you're not trying to write porn, but without letting the scene breathe or going into much detail, it feels like some weird cutaway you just threw in for shock value.

Others have pointed out where this kind of character works, but we're talking about a webnovel here, not classic literature. I still don't see any real audience forming in the WN scene for this MC.
I think most would immediately write this off as fetish shit (I don't agree, but I wouldn't blame anyone for coming to thay conclusion.)

>>24805230
> https://pastebin.com/QMhyEQH3
I gotta say, you at least had the balls to post it.

>>24805348
If you're gonna put down the cash for an advertisement you should just follow the guide. May as well have every odd in your favour and write, write, write. You can do weekly when you're a success.

>>24805410
gonna have to do it daily, uh?

>>24804798
I would say anon that you can write it but few people would read it. If you know the game yiik RPG they had the same type of MC and the game flopped because of it. Your main character should at least have one redeeming quality ,either make him super charismatic or have some sort of backstory followed by a redemption arc.
Also I don't think the rape is gonna help you get any reach which is fine if you're making this for artistic purposes instead of financial, but still going with something equally evil but more socially acceptable would help your marketability a ton

>>24805413
Daily chapters is a lot further than most webnovel authors go besides like the full time professional Chinese ones (which is why those stories always have a million chapters)
Daily during launch (fueled by a backlog, not by writing speed) is key for gaming the rising stars algorithm though

>>24805230
Huh, I wonder if the "If I have sex with you, you'll grow a penis" scenario is more common than I thought, because I've certainly read it before a few times in porn.

The One Simple Trick advice industry is truly amazing. At least we don't have grifters yet.

>>24805459
It's not One Simple Trick, and dismissive attitudes like this is why nobody on /wng/ has seen even a basic level of success.
Learn how the site works or fail.

>>24805468
>why nobody on /wng/ has seen even a basic level of success
The awful writing is why, actually

From a business/popularity standpoint does isekai actually help?
I've realised that my story can function without it but I dunno if I'll take a big hit to visibility by not using it.

>>24805501
From a business standpoint throwing it in is definitely good. You'll see people complaining about how some stories are isekais when they don't need to be, and to not do that, but the reality is that the tag draws huge amounts of traffic, and so many popular stories have superficial isekai setups for a reason.
From an artistic standpoint I would agree than an isekai should only be an isekai if it's crucial to the character or plot somehow.
Self-published authorship is always a series of compromises between the artistic and business halves, so make whatever decision you feel comfortable with. But the tag is absolutely a big driver of traffic.

>>24805501
>Write normal medieval fantasy
>Slap on Isekai tag
>Have no isekai moments until the end of the story when the protag realizes he's john smith from America
>Piss off everyone
Do it.

>>24805501
My non-isekai stories have performed much better than the isekai stories, it literally doesn't matter, just make it interesting

>>24805514
If I was gonna do an antagonistic one I think I'd have a guy isekai'd into his sister's game or something and just have him constantly say "I'd know what that meant... if I'd ever played this." in response to every single scenario.

>>24805538
I'd do an isekai where the protagonist somehow has access to chatgpt and it just gives him the wrong answer every time, constantly fucking up his life.

>>24805471
No one cares about writing quality.

>>24805425
Well... forgive me god, but the quality of my writting will have to drop...

>>24805581
Why do you autistically respond with this every time it's brought up? Is it cope for your own shit writing?

I'm writing a story where there's a system but no actual isekai. The protag is just born into the world where there's a system and people have classes and stuff. This is not even that uncommon lots of eastern stories do this.

>>24805587
>what's 2+2? and don't say 4

>>24805587
He probably read RR's up and coming and rightly accessed it's mostly bad.

>>24805471
I enjoyed the level of writing in FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist'
certainly better than the average opmc litrpg slop but maybe it doesn't hit the right tropes

>>24805595
Maybe the issue is people here look at stories that grifted onto Rising Stars through shoutouts and shit and get a pathetic 1k followers (but still hit top 7, front page). Those stories don't actually get big followings and patreons unless there's also something going for it. Top of rising stars really is not some amazing metric to go by; most stories there are unknown and will die right after leaving the page
If you go look at actual successes (>1-2k patreons), the writing in those, while not good obviously, is at least generally passable, which the writing in this thread is not
Writing quality does matter. You need to clear at least some basic hurdles on clarity and flow. Autistically screeching that quality doesn't matter is seriously holding people back here, assuming it's not just that one tard repeating it every time.

>>24805471
I'm kinda curious how Anons will write, but they're often too shy to post their work. How would Anons ITT write a paragraph say, about two guys just having a fistfight?

>>24805501
I can't speak to everyone else, but sometimes I will search for stories based on tags. Isekai is often one of them.
>From an artistic standpoint I would agree than an isekai should only be an isekai if it's crucial to the character or plot somehow.
I think it's always relevant though. It explains the modern Earth like morals MC has. A character born in medieval times wouldn't likely have an issue with a man 'disciplining' his wife or with widespread slavery. He would have a while lot of other notions that can become problematic for a reader. Isekai solves all of them, but it can make the character more boring, because you can't make him have fucked morals with the excuse of "people back then thought this".

Speaking of that, I wonder what a 20th center racist American would be like in a medieval (fantasy) setting. Americans were a lot more racist than people used to be, so it would be an interesting situation, where the more modern man had more backwards morals from our PoV.

>>24805627
nta but he's probably not talking about prose. things like flow (clarity/expectations) and pacing (what not to write) are usually more important.

>>24805650
how sentences flow and the clarity of what you are writing is included in the concept of prose, lol.

>>24805627
Honestly, man, it depends. What's the point of the fistfight, in the first place? I could try to write a brutal beatdown because one man hit on another's wife or girlfriend. I could try to write a desperate brawl over something important. I could write some martial arts shit about two masters having it out in the streets.

>>24805650
he's definitely talking about prose

>>24805612
>Good writing.
Thanks, anon. But I thought my unique style weakened the whole piece.

>>24805657
included, yea.

>>24805587
I've never posted on this in my life. I was mostly joking anyway. While I do believe a mininum standard of writing quality matters, the story is infinitely more important for selling a book. After prose-quality clears a very low bar, it has diminishing returns.

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After decades I've finally forgotten my ff.net email/password. So long.

>>24805675
>After prose-quality clears a very low bar, it has diminishing returns.
I agree. But while you call it a very low bar, no one in the thread clears it. Very few Rising Stars authors do either, and it's undoubtedly one of the factors holding those writers back from a real success.
When I see consistently awful prose in this thread--prose that would actively hurt even a sloppy web novel--and also see a consistent sentiment of 'prose doesn't matter', there's an issue in mindset that needs to be pointed out

I think it's people overestimating their own ability, then looking at not-good prose on royalroad and thinking they're better than that, when actually they're significantly worse

>>24805667
Make up the reason.

if someone says “the writing is great” they might mean the pacing, structure, and clarity are (effective).
if someone says “the prose is great” they’re likely talking about elegance, or a distinctive voice in the author’s use of language.

>>24805693
>if someone says “the writing is great” they might mean the pacing, structure, and clarity are (effective).
The anon said "writing quality doesn't matter" and surely nobody would ever apply that to mean story and pacing. It's not ambiguous in this case, he meant prose, unless we're dealing with a true retard.

>>24805697
was essentially an off-topic clarification

/wng/ sucks

/wg/ is where the real talent is

>>24805627
Man 1 swung his fist. It connected with Man 2's nose. His nose was broken. Man 2 realed his arm back and swinging he connects with Man 2's nose and blood spurted out because it was like a fish upon a sea of sadness that washes over the gentle dark waves of shores of insanity. And thereupon whence did the fight end. Friends after all.
fin

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Can I get some feedback from the wise /wng anons on the thread? The biggest complaint last time I posted was that my prose was exhaustive and that's really hard for me to notice by myself even with TTS.

>>24805624
Can you post some of these

>>24805719
kino vibe

>>24805627
"What the hell did you say about me, cur?"
Kael knew he needed to shut his mouth. Adam was twice his size and spent fourteen hour days tossing around bales of hay; his forearms were corded wire. Kael looked like a straw doll in comparison. He could have been trained by the Saint of Iron himself and it wouldn't have mattered--to open his mouth again was to invite an ass kicking that might actually leave him crippled.
"I said," Kael repeated quietly, hands clenched hard enough his nails drew blood against his palms, "that those are some awfully big words for a--"
He didn't get to finish. Adam's first swing hurtled toward him, and, even predicting the attack, Kael only half twisted out of the way. It didn't feel like a fist clipped his cheek. It felt like a thrown anvil did. He barely kept his footing as stars appeared in his vision, and, disoriented as he was, the next blow caught him in the stomach, bending him over as the air was driven from his lungs.

Etc, first draft, would obviously make changes on revision, but that's the general flow I would write with

>>24805719
>Her guildmates? Did they even transmigrate with her? Most would have died from old age if they were lucky enough to have picked one of the immortal races when this was just a game.
Shouldn't this be unlucky enough
Or maybe she meant lucky enought to pick a mortal race so they'd be dead already unlike her who is trapped?

>>24805581
I care INMENSELY

Would I get striked for racism or whatever for this line at the climax of my WN’s arc?

>”I’ve finally found the conviction to become Chinese.”

The MC says this line, or something written prettier, before he proceeds to not only kill the entire city he’s in but also damn all of its souls for eternity.

Is it too on the nose?

>>24805797
surely there's a more elegant way to write that phrase, anon

>>24805802
there is but i haven’t finished writing yet. trying to break my habit of editing while writing, which does make my sentences very pretty but also tends to massively slow down my output.

>>24805685
>I agree. But while you call it a very low bar, no one in the thread clears it. Very few Rising Stars authors do either, and it's undoubtedly one of the factors holding those writers back from a real success.
You don't need to clear that bar though. A lot of the writers we're forced to read don't clear this bar either. They just hide it behind "it's not supposed to be easy reading."

Okay so i finally gave another try at cultivation chinkshit - this time Cradle(last time it was lord of the mysteries[Can it be considered cultivation? don't know]), finished Uncrowned, and i gotta say cultivation must be the most braindead genre out there.

How can the stupid ass world even function when everyone is a cultivator.

Also the tiered society where everyone grovels at the feet of those a step higher is just fucking gay. I guess i understand why chinks like that, they've lived like this for centuries.

Also the Abidan plotline is boring as fuck. All this space shit is actually removing all the stakes.

I guess the only thing i like about this series is that Yerin is sometimes really funny, but it happened like twice till now. Once she said Jai Long should wear a diaper, and the other time was her thinking up the name of the last step of the blackflame trial. "The dragon dances, maybe. The dragon naps. The dragon takes a break because he already killed everybody.".

Basically cultivation is fucking retarded. Only thing that could possibly be worse is women's "Romance" books.

I need to find something to read till the next A Practical Guide to Sorcery book.

>>24805627
Antagonist threw the first punch, his fist burrowing deep into Protagonist's stomach. Protagonist, in turn, leaned over and pushed himself into Antagonist, throwing him off balance. The duo crashed through a handful of tables, displacing the patrons of the small-town pub, who cursed at the two delinquents as they rushed to save their half-full mugs of ale.
Wide eyed, Antagonist found himself on his back, as his head impacted the wooden floor with an audible thud. A sharp pain ran through the back of his head, forcing him to wince.
Protagonist made quick work of the momentary opening, straddling over Antagonist. He pushed through the pain still lingering inside his stomach, and retaliated with a punch aimed at Antagonist’s face. A sickening crunch followed by blood spluttering across the floorboards. Antagonist’s face had caved in. Bone, blood and brain matter painted a grizzly canvas of untethered violence.
Protagonist prepared a second attack, but faltered as he gazed upon the gruesome outcome. He froze. For a few seconds, the pub, too, had gone silent. The patrons watched in shock as the playful brawl turned into a murder.
“I-I thought he was stronger.” Protagonist muttered, his eyes shifting from patron to patron.

>>24805745
Oh, my bad. It's suppose to be "Most would have died from old age UNLESS they were lucky enough to have picked one of the immortal races when this was just a game." Good catch. Weird I missed that. Thank you kindly sir!
>>24805734
Oh thanks! Hopefully it gets even better as a read other works. Rn I'm really just trying to get vibe+character down in the first 5 chapters and hopefully I learn enough about writing by then to take less than a month working on one chapter

>>24805719
-Too much alliteration. "Blankets blew" "dared to dart."
-Heads shouldn't lunge.
-her dog "knew" better. not "knows" You slip tense a few times here.
-"her focus on the slightest sound." This is awkward. It reads like she is focusing on a "slightest sound" that she is currently hearing.
The story is really good. The ideas are really good. The writing needs a little work. It's breaking the immersion.

The ancient /lit/ rule was that any post that said "prose" wanted to just say something was good but couldn't actually articulate why.

>>24805719
I can't speak to your prose, but the writing is certainly exhausting. If this is the start of the story, then I'm not sufficiently interested in what's happening to continue reading. We spend the entire time in the character's head, but very little is actually happening. I'm not interested enough to care whether the character is or isn't going insane. We also pivot to details that paint the MC as an evil asshole, making it harder for me to get attached to the character.

If this is the start of the story you might want to either start with a different scene or leave out many of the thoughts about her past. Include them at a later time during the story once the reader is attached to the character.

The idea of being stuck in a maddening world is interesting, but it's not enough to outweigh all the contemplation.

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I'm writing a story where the MC is a pathetic wagie who lets people walk all over him and is very passive. His character arc is him learning to stop being a bitch and start taking action rather than shrimply being a bystander in life
Could this work with the RR crowd or will they not read my story because the MC is not a gigachad self-insert power fantasy?

>>24804604

I’m finishing a novel, and I’ve met with a publisher, but I’m not totally sold on them.

Would it be worth it, if the publisher falls through, to just start posting it piece by piece into Royal Road and hope to find a following?

It’s kind of dark historical fantasy.

>>24805823
>likes feMC novels
>calls cultivation novels boring as fuck

>>24805859
how can you guys even remember me i sperg out once a month here.

>>24805854
Does the MC want to change or is he forced to change?
If he wants to change, and pursues that, then it fills the progression fantasy theme that's popular on RR.
If he's forced to change, it depends on the event that forces him to change, and how it resonates with the readers.
Or you could do a regression type story, where the MC dies of old age/accident and goes back in time to his youth, and has the chance to change his life. Similar to RE: Trailer Trash, that one was popular on RR. I haven't seen a contemporary regressor story on RR in a while.

Need some help. Just wrote an extended dialogue scene between two girls, and it seems to me it's like:
>"..." said girl A
>"..." said girl B
>girl A did X, then said, "..."
>girl B looked at her. "..."
>...
>etc
Obviously, not as drab as this, but I feel like I'm having to repeat over and over the same two names in order to track their actions and speech. It feels overly repetitive, and reading over it, it's almost like the scene boils down to the greentext pattern. Any tips for improving this? I hate when novels substitute names for a range of contextual cues to refer to said person. (For instance, "..." said Mary -> "..." said the redhead -> "..." said the priest's daughter -> etc, for the same person during the same conversation.)

>>24805719
>she
Why?

>>24805823
Wtf? Who even gives a fuck about yerrin? Cradle is a (shitty) cultivation progression novel not a goon smut.

>>24805893
Maybe I'm missing something but if only two people are speaking why are you repeating their names?

>>24805856
If the publisher doesn't come through what will you do with the story? Just let it sit in your computer? If so, you should obviously post it, yeah.

>>24805893
>"..." said girl A
>Girl B looked at her and remarked "..!"
>"..."
>"..."
>"..."
Usually how I just do it between two people.

>>24805856
Why don't you look for another publisher?
Cutting a regular novel up wouldn't work very well. Web novles are written with the format in mind.

>>24805902
Several reasons, but mainly, for dialogue tags that aren't 'said', because my characters are saying long things and naked quotes look weird, and third, because they are not just speaking but also doing things, so I (feel like I) need to mention who is doing it. I think it would be fine for a short scene, but it's grating on my nerves for this really long scene. I guess I should just read more, but I seem to never notice these things when I'm reading.

>>24805916
You only need names if the reader doesn't have enough contextual clues to work it out. With only two that should be simple.

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>>24805841
Really good feedback. Glad I posted today.
> Too much alliteration. "Blankets blew" "dared to dart."
Yeah, I'm addicted to alliteration. It's not good. There's been a lot of purple prose stuff I'm in love with that I need to cut down on.
>her dog "knew" better. not "knows" You slip tense a few times here.
I noticed I fucked up during the tornado section too. I have no idk how to check for tense errors outside of asking chatgpt
-"her focus on the slightest sound."
Whoa, would have never had caught that. Thanks!
>>24805849
>We also pivot to details that paint the MC as an evil asshole, making it harder for me to get attached to the character.
That's fair. I am going for "evil asshole" mc (I'm probably dumb for not leading with that), and anyone who's not into that is going to lose interest pretty quickly. The naval gazing will probably lose some people too, but I feel like most stuff of RI has even less happen in the first chapter
>>24805899
Anon. Only women get transmigrated into their favorite MMO. This is just common knowledge.
Also, this is just a vibe I have but I feel like you can get aware with writting edgy evil characters much easier if you write them as a hot chicks.

>>24805893
That doesn't seem right. Why do you want that in your story? What could be so important, it's just two females talking.

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I started reading Revered Insanity and god DAMN it’s peak. Every time everything is going Fang Yuan’s way, some wrench gets thrown into the works. Every time he’s on the brink about to lose, there’s some miraculous solution that has been foreshadowed for 50+ chapters.

>>24805940
oh look, it's this cunt again. thread ruined.

>>24805941
I’ve never once posted in this general before, schizoanon.

>>24805916
>"Let's go to the store." John said.
>"Sounds good!" Kate replied.
>John held open the car door for her. "Should we do XYZ afterward?"
>"That might be fun."
Use that basic format to break things up. Don't worry about bare paragraphs of dialogue with no tag, readers don't care or notice. Our eyes skip past it. Just

>>24805940
Miraculous and foreshadowed are inherently opposed words. You also don't mention what it's about or why those positives matter for it. Just some basic praise that could apply to any competently written work, bordering on generic.

>>24805935
>Anon. Only women get transmigrated into their favorite MMO. This is just common knowledge.
>Also, this is just a vibe I have but I feel like you can get aware with writting edgy evil characters much easier if you write them as a hot chicks.
No thanks, if I am interested in female business I will just watch porn. Their mmo adventures I don't give a shit about.

>>24805935
Tense is hard sometimes. You can say things like "She dropped the lamp, gasping." because you're just removing an implied "and at the same time she was" from the sentence for flow. The actions are occurring silmutaniously.
Ex:
>She dropped the lamp, and at the same time she was gasping.
That is awkward, so you just drop the unnecessary part.
But when you do:
>She drops the lamp, and gasped.
You've messed up the tense. One action is in present, then the next is in past. The gasping is happening at a different time from the dropping of the lamp.
For an actual grammatical explanation, look up "participles" and how they work. But for a rule of thumb, just look for any use of present tense whatsoever and see if it describes something happening at the same time as something in the past, or if it is disconnected from any immediate thing happening in the past.

>>24805003
>Write 3k words for my first chapter
>Realize i still need another 2k to write if i want to make sense of it
>It doesn't explain much about the world or the main character, it doesn't have any action and it's just not fun to read at all
It's going to be the third time i start over from scratch

>>24806018
>It doesn't explain much about the world or the main character, it doesn't have any action
How could it possibly do none of those things? What is it doing instead?
Maybe whatever your second chapter was going to be, make that your first one instead.

>>24805874
>Does the MC want to change or is he forced to change?
A little bit of both, he's the type of guy who lives daydreaming about how he's going to make it big someday but does absolutely nothing to achieve it, he basically its waiting for a miracle to change his life. Until The Thing (tm) happens and he's thrown head first into his long awaited opportunity to become a bigshot, but instead of being happy he's scared shitless and tries to go back, too scared of the prospect of losing his boring and somewhat miserable but stable life

>>24805823
I like cultivation novels and I thought Cradle sucked. Try Way of Choices by Mao Ni instead

>>24806027
>How could it possibly do none of those things? What is it doing instead?
Im just venting
It does explain some thing about the world, but not enough to my liking
It's not enough information and it's too long winded, like one third of the chapter is a man giving a speech about how dangerous the world outside their small settlement is, another third is the mc thinking of his situation and the final third is just some background information and descriptions
I need to deliver information more efficiently instead of just rambling for 1k words to get to the point
And it has to be more interesting too, it's a magical world and i barely showed any magic
It just sucks, im starting over

>>24805627
https://pastebin.com/q5p9ddEn

I tried writing a paragraph of a fist fight, but I got carried away.

>>24806051
>It just sucks, im starting over
I think we've all been there. I'm sorry, anon. At least you know what the problem is, so it shouldn't be too hard to fix it. Good luck!

>>24805677
use a password manager

>>24806051
Why is the man giving the speech? Maybe somebody from the village left? Or they tried to leave and got injured or killed so this guy gets upset and reminds everyone how dangerous the world is.
Show not tell is beating a dead horse but yeah.

>Look at some guys patreon
>30 advanced chapters
fucking how

>>24806076
>His password isn't recorded using the spines of the books on his shelf
ngmi

>>24806104
writers write

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Should I bother with making a patreon or should I just stick out to try and gain some audience in RR and then post the book in KU?
>Off-meta story
>updated once every week
>patreon would be 5 dollars for a one advanced chapter

>>24806110
Writing is the worst part about writing though.

>>24805797
is he canonically a 4th wall breaking webnovel reader / trope knower?
you'd be better off making up a fictional CN novel and have him allude to that specifically instead of China in general

>>24805797
That’s just stupid.

>>24805823
>Basically cultivation is fucking retarded. Only thing that could possibly be worse is women's "Romance" books.
now i feel a need for femc cultivation romancekino

>>24805854
>I'm writing a story where the MC is a pathetic wagie who lets people walk all over him and is very passive.
omg he's literally me!!!
>His character arc is
nvm not relatable. 0.5 stars. dropped

>>24805627
It wasn't quiet when it came; the hail of punches brought with it harsh panting and the sound of flesh on flesh. Each whipped-out blow threatened to shatter his guard. Panic draped itself atop him like Clarise all those nights ago, she had held him skin to skin until it was all he could see and the animal broke free. Fight or flight. Kill or be killed. Him or me.

The wild strikes slowed as the enemy tried to bottle himself up, but it was too late for caution. His arms were bruised lumps of meat and bone but he was through. And now it was Will's turn. He turned the spiggot to let out his own probing punch and felt slick satisfaction when it snuck through the tangle of limbs to strike the man's jaw. He became a burst dam, each true hit loosened the way for the next. The man tried to fall back but too much sense had been knocked loose of him and he slipped on a stray stone. All at once the fight was on the ground and then it wasn't a fight at all. Just Will beating a wailing, groaning thing.

>>24805581
I do, very much.

>>24805797
Why do you guys act like this is a Chinese thing when 4chan in general is often like this

>>24806051
Yeah the loredump speech is best saved for a moment of safety after some initial short-term crisis in your first few chapters so you can have a more action-ey start to hook readers.

>>24805323
ChatGPT was never analyzing your novel. You are speaking to a Yahtzee cup with 100 6 sided die, each with predetermined phrases instead of numbers.

>>24805627
Adrian braced his arms together just in time to absorb the Count's punch. He staggered, but quickly dug his heels in. This was the moment, Adrian said inwardly. The Counter's posture was too awkward at this junction, and provided Adrian the chance he needed to connect an uppercut with the man's jaw. His bare knuckles stung as the Count collapsed. Adrian wiped the sweat off his brow. The adrenaline receded, followed by a deflating sigh.

I wish I was younger and could actually use all my old, embarassing story ideas I spent so much time on. Zoomers are lucky.

>>24805627
I wouldnt. Combat scenes are lame. If characters are going to fight, I skip straight to the final blow. They draw swords and swoosh! Decapitated. On with the story. Someone feels a tap on their shoulder. POW. His teeth are gone and he's laying on the floor wondering what happened.

No autistic play by plays of the orc king blocking the axe strike with his left arm brace while pirouetting counterclockwise and sweeping the knight's leg with his boot knife and bungeeing into a facepunch that he blocked while laughing. Fuck authors who write that Jackie Chan bullshit. That's not a fucking story.

>>24805963
>Miraculous and foreshadowed are inherently opposed words.
No lol. Improbably and extraordinary (miraculous) events are almost always foreshadowed. As it should be if you want to write a half decent story. There’s a word for a miracle without foreshadowing. It’s called an asspull.

>You also don't mention what it's about
Because that would be massive spoilers?
I was specifically thinking of the three kings inheritance arc but it happens many, many times. Just read the novel.

>why those positives matter for it
Because it’s interesting. Speculating about how Fang Yuan will use the tools available to him to escape his current predicament makes the story fun to read. Why else?

>could apply to any competently written work
Not at all lol. Many stories are relatively straightforward in plot, even some of the best ones. Of the stories that do attempt this kind of plot, the vast majority of them suck. Usually the twists are poorly thought out, unimpactful, uncreative, come out of nowhere, or have some other problem. It takes skill to do well.

In RI, the twists are well thought out with logical reasoning behind them and real consequences for the plot. It’s the kind of twist that’s hard to see coming, but makes perfect sense once it’s revealed. And the stakes/tension are perfect. The author knows how to ratchet it up until you’re on the edge of your seat.

>>24805893
Shorten the conversation. Get to the point faster. Then move on. Longer isnt better.

>>24806206
humans are more or less the same but I would have to read THEIR novels, anon.

>>24806259
Oh no, an author who is forced to read in order to hone his craft. What a nightmare.

Stop reading webnovels if you want to write webnovels. You need to fill your memory with high quality material, not pollute it with slop.

>>24806273
>reading shit from other amateur authors

"Oh no" indeed.

>>24806259
>humans are more or less the same
No, they aren't, a human is actually sapient and can give you an actual analysis. An AI is literally not even conscious. You are talking to a chatbot.

>>24806274
There's nothing wrong with reading web novels so long as it's not asian ones on WebNovel itself, or equivalent webtoons. Or LNs like Tanya the Evil; Jesus H. Christ, the translation was and is abhorrent. There's some solid stories on RR that inspired me and I feel they strengthen my prose. You have to make good judgment, though, so you don't poison yourself with the bad ones, I already had to drop a few last night when I finally got around to them and found out instantly their quality.

>>24806294
Names?

>>24806276
Yeah. It's painful, but every awful chapter you read is a reminder "dont do this" and "dont write like this." Honestly, I can just take all my notes and critiques from the past year and probably compile them into an exhaustive manuscript titled "how to write a novel without looking like a helpless dickhole" and sell it to all you clowns who write painfully turgid naval gazing manifestos disguised as stories.

>>24806294
Forgot to add I agree it's just important to balance your reading regimen with non-web novels like tradpub and the classics in general.

>>24806296
The ones I dropped?
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/117090/the-knight-the-dragon-and-the-necromancer-daert
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/22868/after-moses
After Moses I failed after actually having it in my to read for months it was Stubbed(3->21) and just didn't bother though. The Knight's author admitted in the comments he's translating his story from another language and had appaling diagloue tags. Which is a big shame since he's quite prolific and has a whole boatload of completed works I was interested in.

>>24806063
you write a lot like AI

>>24806249
There is little to no gooner stuff, no smut, there is a strong mc. /wng/ hates such stories.

>>24806300
what about I just read your manuscript and save myself the horror of reading "I died and came back as a tomato in a generic RPG"

>>24806310
Says the guy that got the thread deleted by spamming porn when anons got tired of him spamming RI in every thread

>>24806294
>Go to SpaceBattles
>Tanya crosses over with absolutely everything without rhyme or reason
What's up with that?
Also, why do people like Tanya's character? I read only the beginning of the manga and it was some fedora tipping salaryman being a complete Karen in front of God and reincarnated into a Woman's body, he never stops being an entitled douchebag from what i read
I can't stand it but everyone loves it for some reason

>>24806321
the # of samefag schizos in this thread is crazy

Wait I have to get mod approval to post my story? Wtf is this bullshit? It's mine I do what I want with it.

>>24806333
Clearly not.

Am I unique for having an aversion to apocalypses/world ending threats?
Even in progression fantasy I'd rather everything was a lot more local scale. Doesn't seem to match most of what comes out.

>>24806352
i think final big bads are fun

>>24806352
Depends. If that's how the story starts out I'm fine with it. Or there is a big threat once a volume in a long running story.
The one I hate is where everything starts out small scale and then suddenly there's a single big bad at the end of the entire story it reminds me of jrpgs where the bad guy turns into or turned out to be god at the end.

>>24806352
What comes to mind is Endbringers from Worm and Dreadgods from Cradle, and I didn't have an issue with either.

>>24806321
>RI poster spamming porn
Yeah, I don't think so

>>24806321
I don't think it's him. They were probably from /wg/.

>>24806445
only a newfag would samefag RI and porn poster, we've had futa fans and horny anime posters since the start. RI tard is a very unfortunate new addition

>>24806445
>>24806449
Nice try
Even in this thread nobody was talking about gooning or smut and then the guy being defensive of RI brings it up for no reason >>24806310 and makes it out like /wng/ is the problem and not him.

>>24806453
>Even in this thread nobody was talking about gooning or smut
are you an actual newfag? the fuck? there's been a futa dude since the start, posting his femboy futa scribblehub stories since before /wng/ was even a thing, and he moved over. there's also been several discussions on smut.
actual pornposting like last thread was rare, but there was absolutely occasional horny anime girl posting

>>24805872
It's an anonymous message board. Everyone knows who you are and remembers everything you've ever said.

what the fuck is RI

>>24805872
>>24806466
i remember him because he hates everything he reads (besides apparently an okay but not great series like apgts) which is equal parts annoying and entertaining. never seen someone hate such a wide spread of stories yet keep consistently reading and asking for recs

>>24806458
I mean this very thread not the general, nobody was talking about it until the RI guy brought it up
Also plenty of RI-tards are gooners just look at their communities

The porn spammer was a tourist from /v/ not the RIschizo

WHAT THE FUCK IS RI

>>24806480
Resident Idiot

>finally look up what gu worms are
what the fuck

>>24806482
AHhhhhh.

Yeah, every board has like five of them.

>he doesn't know

>>24806453
>in this thread nobody was talking about gooning or smut
I don't think that's correct, gooning and smut novels are being discussed literally every thread, it's why this general is low quality.

>>24806480
Rhode Island

>>24806486
It’s a good power system

>>24806496
>it's why this general is low quality.
Wrong.

>>24806480
Reviled Imbecile
Recently Inbred
Random Ingrate
Really Irritating
Rampaging Inchworm
Ramadan Inshallah
Rogue Invader
Rwanda Irregular
Ravenous Invalid
Ruinous Idolator
Requires Irradiation
Rikers Inmate
Redolent Illness
Raging Iranian
Regretful Iraqi
Rude Indian

>>24806496
This general is low quality because 80% of the post are just asking braindead questions and the rest is just shilling

Any recs for a cultivation novel with great foreshadowing and payoffs with an evil intelligent MC? Something popular and well regarded please

>>24806480
Newfag

>>24806502
shinsekai yoRI

>>24806502
Warlock of the Magus World

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>check author list
>im on there
what da heeeell
i havent been on lit in months. didnt even know webnovels had a general now. what do you guys talk about? are you actually making progress here or LARPing?

>>24806501
>asking braindead questions about smut and gooning
> and the rest is just shilling smut and gooning
Yes

>>24806512
This is Reverend Insanity general. Webnovel general is two blocks down.

>>24806306
What makes you think that?

>brown assassin: coat their dagger in snake venom so they can ensure the hated sultan meets his end, escape and survival afterwards are low priority
>white alchemist: search for rare plant that produces a poison with no taste so they can poison the noble they owe a bunch of money to with no evidence
>chink gu master: keep centipedes in a jar so they eat each other until only one is left and then extract that centipedes giga-venom and inject it into your dick in the hope that it gets bigger.

>>24806517
Mostly correct prose (did see errors which is why I didn't call you AI outright) with tons of generic dialogue and cliches. It's half a compliment--since most people in this thread can't write technically competently--but also an insult. Something about the style is soulless and generic
Was it really written without AI assistance?

>>24806519
Boring
Swarthy assassin: disguises itself as a chef and serves the sultan curry. The sultan dies of diarrhea
Pink alchemist: develops a poison that only kills other pink people, he did this because the desert chosen tribe asked him to
Coolie: Hunts and eats a rare species of shark to extinction in the hopes of becoming god, develops cancer instead

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I’m writing an isekai webnovel where the MC works his way to ultimate power using science combined with magic. How much am I legally allowed to reveal about the real life process for making certain things that you aren’t supposed to make? I don’t need the FBI showing up at my house.

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>>24806512
I've been making progress on my space opera. It's just been slow. Slow but steady.

>>24806524
It's supposed to be one of those cosmic brain memes but I was too lazy to actually make the picture

>>24806203
you have not seen the sheer schizo shit chinese wn authors will randomly write in the middle of an engaging arc

it is legitimately the equivalent of reading a progression fantasy wn where right after the MC finishes his preparations for advancing to the next tier of power the plot suddenly derails into a tangent where the MC stops before a massive Indian city (not a fantasy equivalent, legitimately Indian), says something like “DO NOT REDEEM SAAR” and proceeds to exterminate them with a spell of genocide, spending the rest of the chapter or so ranting about how Indians are nothing more than a brutish, ape-like race that must needs be exterminated for the good of existence itself.

nowhere on RR, Scribblehub, nor western WebNovel will you find an engaging WN suddenly derail itself in such an unhinged manner for a chapter or two before returning to the main plot, brushing everything done before aside.

>>24806543
>ranting about how Indians are nothing more than a brutish, ape-like race that must needs be exterminated for the good of existence itself.
That's true though

>>24806543
i don't read eastern slop because translation makes it literal needles to my brain, but that's fucking hilarious (not in a way that makes me want to actually read, though)

>>24806543
b-b-b-based

>>24806534
You can do it K U W A B A R A!

>>24806548
what makes it funnier as a chink with some knowledge of chinese internet culture is that it is the chinese equivalent of revealing one’s power level and /pol/posting in the middle of a WN

>>24806555
why can't western authors be so based?

>>24806558
Depending on where they live, they can be arrested for it

>>24806534
i see you changed your alias but its good to see youre still working on that story. it was one of my favorites among the /wg/ authors.

that being said, anyone want their story read or reviewed? I want to see what everyone's been working on

>>24806565
I'm scared of posting my writing here

>>24806512
I added literally every credible, and argubly more than that, Royal Road story ever posted in the history of /lit/

>>24806578
Well, of those directly linked the story anyway.

>>24806578
He says, without adding Max Level Archmage, the only real success of /wng/

>>24806596
MLA was mostly shilled on reddit. If you're not redditcore you're not going to make it

>>24806600
it was barely shilled and only after it already found wild success

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>>24806565
>i see you changed your alias but its good to see youre still working on that story.
Thanks kind stranger. The old Saga of the Cosmic Heroes is still a dropped (deleted) story, but in a way, it pretty much ended with Victoria walking into the sunset with Paul, and that, I think, was probably for the best. I may put in a ticket to restore it once I launch the new story eventually. You could say maybe in the end her request to get transferred to the front-line was denied and she lived happily ever after, fading into obscurity with Paul. I couldn't actually bring myself to let go of the story, though. The short story Yellow Typhoon is what I conceived as the spiritual ending I had in mind for SotCH's Embers of Ishtar volume, and I'm done a far better job of actually outlining the ending for its sequel novel A Game of Cosmic Titans. I'm a lot more confident I can deliver a better experience for SotCH's old readers.

>>24806565
Sure, why not
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/128319/labours-of-zucchini-litrpg-sci-fi

>>24806600
Reddit is a shockingly poor source of traffic. From firsthand experience. I got maybe 2% clicks there compared to what my site ad gave.
I guess if you're poor as shit it's worth it? But even then only barely.

>>24806603
However, it did do what everyone here should and actually advertised (not denying it's success, but the author made sure people could actually see it).

>>24806612
It ran a site ad but didn't do shitall fuckall until it was already over 10k followers. That's when the reddit posts and etc came
The site ad got it onto rising stars where it started getting, literally, 500-1000 followers a day. That doesn't happen besides insane organic success

>>24806616
Yes, that's what I'm referring too. Everyone should be running a site ad so you can actually be seen. Just... please don't expect MLA's success out of the gate.

>>24806620
>Just... please don't expect MLA's success out of the gate.
Even working pros on royalroad don't lol, you would need to be truly delusional.

>>24806621
>you would need to be truly delusional.
I know. But I'm saying it for the anons here, who can be a bit funny in the head sometimes.

>>24806543
I have seen angry ranting over the Japanese and Koreans, even the Philippines, but never India
The only time i've seen a Chinese novel mentioning India they were described as starving brown men that can sell damascus steel for food

Just tried How I Was Accidentally Summoned in a Cult as the Demon Princess and besides it blatantly aping a recent success I don't know how this had found an audience.
Immensely clunky writing that's also pretty juvenile.

>>24806641
Unironically the leviathan's waves created a genre of its own. There's been like 4 mediocre replicants with crazy success despite pretty uninteresting executions.

How are their patreons, anyway? Haven't checked. Is it real success or fake success?

>>24806632
nta but they said "equivalent of"
>sell damascus steel for food
That's not really a racist thing but an observation about how they came up with this special steel but just sold it instead of doing anything cool with it but it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black when it comes to the Chinese and rocketry

>>24806128
Bros... Answer my question

>>24806128
>>24806655
The point of the RR->KU pipeline is that you have a significant audience to boost you up the KU charts and prevent the silent death of 99.9% of self pubbed works. KU is its own audience and RR success doesn't guarantee amazon success, but it at least gives you a fighting chance.
Sounds like you don't have Patreons to convert. So KU is not a viable option.
Patreon is also not an option because it sounds like your serial didn't perform.

Happy to help but first explain your long term goals and how willing you are to conform to the market. At the very least, based on the limited information you gave, a royalroad relaunch sounds in order. But you're off-meta. So I'm not even sure how to advise. If you write off-meta, write for your artistic enjoyment--you aren't going to make money.

>>24806655
Make the patron

>>24806522
I did use AI to check for mistakes like tense, although not as thoroughly as I should. And when I'm stuck with how to word something I sometimes use it as a sounding board, but all the generic and cliche dialogue and situations you mentioned are entirely on me. Even though it's wizards and adventurers, in my head, I was picturing a school bully from a 90s movie placed into a bar fight.

I'm not sure I understand the soulless and generic part correctly. Do you think if there was less prose describing what's going on that it would feel better? Could fit more action (and maybe even emotion) into a similar amount of words.

Eg
>Jake sat at the heart of it all, golden hair shining in the lamplight, as he listened to a boastful tale.
>The robed man advanced, calm and sure-footed.
I use these sentences, these are the kinds of constructions I learned to build with writing exercises.

>>24806670
If it really isn't AI I think you have very solid technical proficiency which means you're performing above 95% of Rising Stars authors and all of this entire thread.
I don't see a point in critiquing the actual quick excerpt you gave--cliche phrasings and behaviors are expected for a quick writing prompt--so feel free to post your actual work and I will.

i've been making less and less mistakes in my writing, it is nice to not see a ton of blue when I check the chapter.

>>24806680
what are you using to check

>>24806686
nta but blue squigglies are a Word thing
though Word is really shit at creative writing, especially with their recent AI additions. I've seen some genuinely funny (and wrong) corrections posted to various chats

>>24806667
> If you write off-meta, write for your artistic enjoyment--you aren't going to make money.
Is the only option really just to write isekai/litRPG slop?

>>24806692
No. If you want to write to wow people artistically, you need to wow people artistically. So just be really stupidly good at writing.
Most people are not phenom talents, though. If you're average, conform to the world's demands. Welcome to being a functional adult. 4chan is pretty abysmal at recognizing this simple truth that most highschoolers can.

>>24806686
i'm dropping it in google docs
not using it for corrections it just tells me if I messed up tense or something, I do my own corrections

>>24806692
You can also write progression fantasy. Just take a gander at rs.

>>24806696
>So just be really stupidly good at writing.
Honestly, get the point but the awkward truth is that general audiences do not actually give a shit about amazing prose. It's not like paintings or art, where if you're good/eye catchy you can farm engagement on Twitter.

>>24806696
Is not even about muh prose or whatever
I just don't get the appeal of those genders and the ones I do like are completely fucking dead

>>24806701
>>24806703
I'm assuming here that anon saying he's writing "off-meta" means not targeted toward an existing genre audience. And is instead writing something somewhat literary. In which case being a phenomenal writer is what matters, and yes, prose (and everything else) matters massively for people seeking higher art
Obviously writing slop to market is what sells, christ, that's so apparent by the discussion exchanged so far. Stop reading one sentence in the chain and replying to me

>>24806698
What even is progression? I've seen people describe it as a lot of different things

>>24806711
Essentially something like Brandon Sanderson writes. Characters start at a baseline of strength and gradually over the story increase their power/mastery, gain new abilities, etc. It has a huge audience, lmao

>>24806711
Best example I've seen is:
B9 protag powerscales above B8 protag
B8 protag powerscales above B7 protag
B7 protag powerscales above B6 protag
Etc
As long as the protag is argumentatively (and definitively) stronger than the previous book, it's progfantasy

The more strict definition is that the story specifically and predominantly focuses on power growth, but that's the truist definition which even reddit tards don't demand

>>24806709
>And is instead writing something somewhat literary
Uh no, I thought off-meta meant a genre that is not popular, my stuff is still genreslop

>>24806721
-.-
so what is offmeta to you? Anything that isn't litrpg isekai?
Stop being vague. Like another anon said, even pure fantasy shit sometimes pops off on royalroad. Just be a good writer

>>24806711
>MC levels up and gets stronger like a video game or DnD character.
That's it mostly it's basically the same as litRPG without the stat dumps. Cultivation is a type of progression I guess but I haven't read enough of it yet to really understand what it's core traits are.

>>24806714
>>24806716
>>24806726
Sounds extremely gay and autistic

>>24806734
You're in the webnovel thread

>>24806725
>Stop being vague.
Nta but huge problem with /wng/ is how terrified anons are of actually showing their stories. Makes it extremely hard to say anything specific, really. It's a wonder we even have a list at all of /wng/ authors.

>>24806738
I don't wanna invite reviewbombing and doxxing, even though I know it's just a 1% chance. More posts like >>24805627 would be cool though, just writing off the cuff.

>>24806738
did some anon just complain about this general being nothing but people shilling their stories and asking redundant questions? I'll gladly share mine, but I don't know if anyone here actually reads the stuff in the list or whats posted

>>24806747
>complain about this general being nothing but people shilling their stories
They would've been referring to kino-man, he's the only one who regularly shills his story. But like, he did it so much people are just reporting it whenever it happens. Nobody would complain though if more people started actually started talking about their stories though (unless they're crabs). Just don't spam it.

Also, yeah, if it's on royal road I'll give it a read and maybe a follow.

How do you guys feel about putting images inside RR chapters?

>>24806795
I haven't read a single story I liked that did it.
I don't have anything against it but good authors just...don't

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>>24806757
alright, well heres mine. https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/77729/progressive-detective-all-over-again
it hasnt been updated on royalroad but ive been spending months rewriting it on docs so the narrative can flow well. the premise is about detectives that solve magic cases but my main problem that was holding me back was making the cases feel "realistic" which was a black hole. so i shifted to a more dramatic approach with the antagonists feeling like something out of No More Heroes, if you know that game

So when does Years of Apocalypse pick up? I'm at chapter 22, around the beginning of the third loop

>>24806811
I liked it right away just because it was written competently at a sentence level.
I think if you don't like it yet, you won't later on.

How do you personally retain readers? I could get people to click on my cover but not read beyond chapter 2.

>>24806815
Be engaging and write competently through all of chapter 1 and end on a clear hook

Anons, have you written a fanfic before? If so, have you published a story on RR? Was your fanfic more popular?

>>24806795
I was thinking about doing it using diagrams for tower defense stories but then I decided it's probably not worth even writing such stories if you need a diagram. It's just not the right medium for it.

>>24806826
i have and it was vastly more popular than any of my stories on RR combined. i wouldnt think of monetizing it though for ethical reasons

>>24806725
>so what is offmeta to you? Anything that isn't litrpg isekai?
Litrpg, isekai, cultivation, progression yeah
>Stop being vague
Detective fiction set in France in the 1900s that follows a detective's efforts to stop a serial killer with supernatural abilities. I haven't published anything yet, I'm building a backlog
> Just be a good writer
But I'm only a mediocre writer at best :(

>>24806847
>But I'm only a mediocre writer at best :(
The more you venture off the well-trodden path, the better your writing needs to be. So in your case, stop expecting royalroad followers (and money) and focus on improving.
Also, it sounds like you don't belong on RR at all. Get roughly pro-level at writing and then seeks agents.

>>24806803
Review's, commented. Nice work!

I still can’t make up my mind on what to write. Right now, I’m experimenting with curse-based story ideas:

A teenage boy is cursed to live a double life. By day, he’s a grumpy noble son with abysmal stats who naps through all his classes. But come nightfall, his power surges and he transforms into the mysterious dark knight who’s famous throughout the kingdom for defeating dangerous monsters and soloing high level dungeons.
But when strange incidents start happening to him during daytime, he suspects somebody out there knows his secret and is aiming to destroy him when he’s most vulnerable.

A teenage boy is cursed to live a double life. By day, he’s a grumpy noble son with abysmal stats who naps through all his classes. But come nightfall, his power surges and he transforms into a “she” -- the legendary heroine admired across the kingdom for slaying powerful monsters and soloing dangerous dungeons.
And if switching sex depending on the sun’s position isn’t already bad enough, when a fellow student catches his female form sneaking into his dorm room at night, rumors spread. Apparently, he’s dating the kingdom’s top adventurer, or worse, blackmailing her to be with him? What?!
Now he’s dodging jealous admirers, obsessive fans, and vengeful enemies who all want a piece of him… or her.

They say the princess is hated by the gods. On the day of her birth, the sky turns green, and she is born with more than a hundred deadly curses on her body. Accused of being the harbinger of doom, she is locked away in the tower, never to feel the warmth of love or sunlight. A tragic figure, cursed to die a lonely death.
What people don’t know is that all her curses are self-inflicted!
For she is actually a reincarnated person from Earth, born with a unique system that grants her great benefits if she chooses to suffer through curses. The more deadly the curse and the longer she suffers through them, the more powerful she becomes.
“I know, I can just curse myself to not be able to feel pain!” She smiles brightly as she charges into the battlefield, slaying countless demons and saving untold lives.
“How can she be so kind after everything we put her through?! Princess, we are not worthy!” Today, the people misunderstand the cursed princess once again.

>>24806851
Nta but
The tradpub industry is completely fucking dead and your best bet is becoming a youtuber or tiktoker, hit it big and the shill your stuff

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uhhhhh cool, I'm like, a quarter there.

>>24806877
Fetish based stories will do better

>>24806869
thanks anon!

>>24806877
Write the third one first it seems more like straightforward isekai progression
First is just batman, I don't even understand how that's a curse. Second one is more of a curse but I would be too embarrassed to write something like that.

>>24806897
The curse is that in the first two ideas, the MC stats are nerfed to hell during daytime and he’s the weakest guy in school. I should probably rewrite the blurbs to make that more clear.

>>24806877
>The writers barely disguised fetish

>>24806897
The second one made me hard

>>24806903
I see, it did seem more like hes just weak compared to the hero version of himself and not in general.
Is the grumpy and lazy version of him the "real" one? It might make it hard to care when hes in trouble and there's people fucking with him. How's he going to outsmart them if hes lazy and presumably has a low int stat.

>>24806918
OK. I really need to rework my blurbs now.
In both scenarios, he’s grumpy and low energy during the day because he’s sleepy, and he’s sleepy because he always goes out at night adventuring. The curse keeps his daytime stats low no matter what he does, and the curse only lifts at night when his true strength -- and form -- is revealed.
So, yes, in the second idea, he’s actually a she all along, even if she doesn’t want to admit it.
His dream is either to lift the curse, or to gain independence and move far away where he can spend all day sleeping and all night adventuring.

fuckin hell, these motherfuckers are making more money in a month than i do in a year...

>>24806954
join the club

>>24806965
i guess i'll give it a shot.

>>24806954
There's like five that make more than 4k a month

>>24806954
I've telling crabs on /lit/ that webnovels are the future for years now. These things are actually legit job in Korea and china because how lucrative they are (that and they have non shit web publishing platform with actual payment system)

>>24807020
Still waiting for an enterprising Korean platform to come and dethrone Royal Retards.

>>24807025
You mean something like Web-toon? That site sucks.

>read novel/web novel
>find good/funny scene or piece of dialogue
>jot it down in my ideas file to later plagiarize
anyone else do this?

>>24807158
Or Novelpia, that site is even worse.

>>24807161
pretty normal thing to do yeah.

>>24807158
That sites Chinese. I wouldn't bother with it unless you're Russian because they don't have other options due to sanctions
>>24807163
Yeah this supposed to be the amazing Korean site that will dethrone RR lmao

>>24806878
Yeah ... advising someone to go trad pub nowadays is maliciously bad advice. I'll give anon the benefit of the doubt and assume he isn't aware, but there's no future in trad pub anymore. It's a dead industry, has been for over a decade now.

>>24807208
Tell that to the author's earning millions. Trad publishing still massively dwarfs the webnovels market.

>>24807210
Almost all of whom got their foot in the door decades ago. You just don't understand the state of the industry now, you were either pre established, or you're never getting established.

>>24807210
name one white male author under the age of 40. Anyone. Doesn't have to be a millionaire. Just name whoever pops into your head.

>>24807215
Not true. Just look at the huge popular romantisy genre, many of the most successful authors there are 'new'. The difference is that what works in trad publishing today isn't what worked in the past and webnovels are filling a niche that doesn't exist elsewhere.

>>24807210
>Gambling doesn't work? Tell that to the guys who won the lottery!

>>24807223
Romantasy is the exception to the rule and even authors like Sarah J Maas got their foot in the door over ten years ago.

>>24807222
So because it's not being written by authors you want to read you think trad pub is failing?

>>24807224
It is just as much gambling as it is trying to make money on RR.

>>24807210
not since the light novel boom

>>24807232
not even remotely but keep that grift going /wg/bro

>>24807229
Not at all. I find it absolutely hilarious that the harbingers of tolerance and diversity are some of the most notorious practitioners of discrimination.

>>24807236
It's not discrimination, it's simple economics. Editors are picking stories that sell. If you want to blame anyone blame the fall in the number of men reading books. But since that's the case ever fewer books for that audience are chosen, so it becomes a vicious cycle.

>>24807235
It's insane seeing someone even suggest that it's less reliable. There's an actual pipeline in RR, actual networks you can use, shout out swap system with authors, even an actual good advertising system on the site.

Flat out, there's no point going to trad pub because they will not advertise your book even if they bother picking it up. The best you'll get is an Instagram post with twenty likes.

there are much better ways to get your work read and paid for now and it makes tradkikes seethe like crazy

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>>24807239
It's open discrimination. All publishers and agents pretty much say "no white men" on their submission pages.