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Why does this nigga hate everything that is good about the Greeks?

>homer bad
>drama bad
>poetry bad
>sophistry bad
>music bad
>democracy bad


He is the ancient version of bitter old man yelling at clouds
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>>24808723
and hear ewe are bitching about hymn
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>>24808723
consider the fact one of the main reasons you think those are all good is because of all the people telling you
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>>24808723
You forgot
>homosex bad
Truly this guy was a Jew
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>>24808753
yeah I did forget about that one.
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>>24808723
The best thing about the Greeks was their truth, and Plato stood for that eternal truth.
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>>24808741
a single poet's life is worth infinitely more than bugmen like plato, tranny
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>>24808933
Based asf. William Blake contains way more wisdom than any philosopher because the Poetic Genius is the source of philosophy
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>>24808723
He lived in a time when all these things were in some way weakening Greece. What he didnt understand was it would still happen without all those things, probably.
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>>24808981
the wisdom is just gnostic larping
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>>24808723
He was right.
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>>24808753
Are jews bad because they abolish homosex or they promote it?
It cant be both.
Pick one.
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>>24808723
I think you need to read more if those are your takeaways.
>>homer bad
>>poetry bad
Clearly he holds a high degree of respect for both Homer and other poets as evidenced by, on one hand, the incessant quoting of Homer can be found in much of his work and, on the other hand, from passages like the one in Protagoras where during his deep analysis of one of Simonides poems, he (or at least Socrates) expresses admiration towards the artistry.
>>music bad
The story of Plato berating the slave girl for a poor sense of rhythm implies he had a liking for music as well.
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>>24809659
they're bad. Homosex is one of the few things jews fear the most. It can defeat them
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>>24810032
It's because homosex is a bypass of Judaism. All throughout the tanakh/Old Testament, the people of Israel are symbolically depicted as God's wife, slave, and child. Sodomy bypasses that on a spiritual level
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>>24810421
Fuck the desert trannies and their stupid sadistic god
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>>24808723
>why do niggers call white people niggas??
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>>24808723
Plato was severely mentally ill. Once you understand this, you start to see the strings that control the world. There is a malicious entity controlling the minds of people like Plato and making them the way they are. They aren't humans, they are puppets.
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>>24809478
>>24808981
>>24808933
>people who write love letters are more wise than people whose ideas underpinned the greatest social and technological leap in human history since the discovery of fire
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>>24808981
>the Poetic Genius is the source of philosophy
Where is the lie?
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>>24811973
>>people who write love letters are more wise than people whose ideas underpinned the greatest social and technological leap in human history since the discovery of fire
Yes. Technologically advanced societies are worthless without community, camaraderie, and charitable commitment. But I don't expect a soulless bugman like you to understand.
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all of those things except for music actively contributed to the annhilation of the greco-roman world. homer, the dramatists and poets abused greek religious material and provoked enormous amounts of intellectual polemic, which christians exploited ruthlessly.
democracy was factually bad (although a lot better than modern "democracy")

music is fine. plato liked music.
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>>24809659
Bad because they try to hoard all the bussy for themselves.
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>>24811973
Plato's politics and metaphysics are both cancer. They should've hemlocked him too.
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>>24808723
It's been a while since I've read Plato, but in one dialogue, doesn't he say that the foremost goal of artistic endeavors is to morally instruct, which is different outright condemning it?
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>>24811973
Plato was a bad scientist
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>>24808723
Autistic man who doesn't understand feelings and things that rule should go to smart people. An idealist without soul who thinks that the utopia will be attained if you just man into a cog in the machine and not actually a person. So yeah, probably just autistic
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obligatory neet-commentary
>Ultimately, my mistrust in the case of Plato reaches into the depths; I find him so divergent from all the fundamental instincts of the Hellenes, so overmoralized, such a Christian before his time—he already takes the concept “good” to be the highest concept— that in regards to the whole Plato phenomenon I would rather use the harsh expression “exalted swindle”—or, if it sounds better, idealism— than any other. We have paid dearly for the fact that this Athenian went to school with the Egyptians (or with the Jews in Egypt? . . .). In the great disaster of Christianity, Plato is that ambiguity and fascination called an “ideal” which made it possible for the nobler natures of antiquity to misunderstand themselves and to step on the bridge that led to the “cross” . . . And how much Plato there still is in the concept “Church,” in the structure, system, and practice of the Church!— My recreation, my predilection, my cure for all Platonism has always been Thucydides.
t. nietzsche - twilight of idols
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>>24812593
Fucking based.
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>>24808741
i just watched Troy (2004). Homer is good
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>>24812248
Well, in the Republic book 2, when they're setting up the city in speech, they get to talking about what would be necessary in education for the formation of a military caste, and censored poetry comes out of that in the recognition that poetry was already a factor in the formation of character. But that gets complicated, since at the start of book 10, *all* poetry is banned as both imitative and conducive to unwarranted excessively felt emotions, but that's in light of books 5-7 on philosophy, and that all gets tied to answering Glaucon's question on the opening page of book 2. Another anon pointed out it may not be so decisive, since Plato quotes the poets all the time, including in dialogues "later" than the Republic, so his precise view of poetry has to be worked out more.

>>24812485
If they're talking about the effluvia passage in Meno, Socrates makes fun of it as an answer, and if they're talking about perception as discussed in the Theaetetus, that view is attributed to Protagoras and criticized. This is like saying Plato admired the Macedonian king Archelaus, and citing as evidence Polus' speeches in the Gorgias.
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Plato idealizes ant-colonies
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>>24812593
As usual big N is right
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>>24808723
Seems based along with Socrates, Aristotle, Aquinas.


Cope harder Leftoid Atheist
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>>24812485
It's pretty difficult to know what he's trying to say here... Is this an attempt to disprove Whitehead's quote? If so, then firstly, its not philosophy so I can't see how it matters. Secondly, I don't see how that would be more than footnote worthy as it would hardly be the main subject of Plato's dialogue
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>>24808723
>nigga
Kill yourself.
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>>24811988
>he said online
its not either/or.



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