>>24813564
i recommend the third edition of the norton anthology of poetry
>why not a more modern edition?
the lunatics took control of the asylum since then. the third edition still has the hiccups and burps of the drunken canon

>>24813564
I was going to say this pic was unrelated, but then you said it.

>>24813587
Glad I was able to help. Have a blessed day.

>>24813564
Chronologically.
>The Epic of Gilgamesh (c. 2000 BC)
>Homer – The Iliad and The Odyssey (c. 800 BC)
>Greek Lyricists – [Greek Lyrics trans. Richard Lattimore] (c. 600 BC)
>Horace – The Odes (65-68 BC)
>Beowulf (c. 1000)
>Dante Alighieri – Inferno (1265-1321)
>Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (c. 1350)
>Geoffrey Chaucer – The Canterbury Tales (c. 1343-1400)
>William Shakespeare – Sonnets (1564-1616)
>John Donne (1572-1631)
>King James Bible – Psalms (1611)
>John Milton – Paradise Lost (1608-1674)
>William Blake – Songs of Innocence and of Experience (1757-1827)
>Williams Wordsworth (1770-1850)
>Samuel Taylor Coleridge (1772-1834)
>John Keats (1795-1821)
>Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807-1882)
>Alfred, Lord Tennyson (1809-1892)
>Walt Whitman (1819-1892)
>Emily Dickinson (1830-1886)
>Christina Rossetti (1830-1894)
>Gerard Manley Hopkins (1844-1889)
>William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)
>Paul Laurence Dunbar (1872-1906)
>Robert Frost (1874-1963)
>Carl Sandburg (1878-1967)
>William Carlos Williams (1883-1963)
>Ezra Pound (1885-1972)
>T.S. Eliot (1888-1965)
>Langston Hughes (1902-1967)
>W.H. Auden (1907-1973)
>Philip Larkin (1922-1985)
>Allen Ginsberg (1926-1997)
>Adrienne Rich (1929-2012)
>Sylvia Plath (1932-1963)
>Mark Strand (1934-2014)
>Mary Oliver (1935- 2019)
>Seamus Heaney (1939-2013)
>Robert Pinsky (1940- )
>Robert Haas (1941- )
>Jane Kenyon (1947-1995)
>Rita Dove (1952- )

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>>24813580
I thought you were exaggerating but amazon has subtly revealed the truth

>>24813605
Looks young for a holocaust survivor

>>24813605
I have this one, what's wrong with it

>>24813839
It means you're malnourished

>>24813839
they removed geniuses for being white and replaced them with idiots for being brown.
also, there are fewer entries.
the same thing has happened to dictionaries. you control the language by which the people think, speak, and act, and you control the people themselves.
>>24813605
holy shit, lmao. i wasn't exaggerating, but good grief.

>>24814010
so what year is the cutoff point? 2010?

>>24814013
hard to say, it really depends on the thing in question. control was wrested from the torchbearers unevenly across the arts. just read the descriptions of the changes made in the new editions. if you read anything like "a more diverse array of authors have been added to represent..." or any claptrap like that, it's probably too late.

>>24813594
One should read the whole comedy, not just inferno. And vita nouva too.

>>24813564
Try the Oxford Book of English Verse for English-language poetry.

>>24814491
Any editions I should avoid?

>>24813564
In English? Get a used Quiller-Couch for like 3 bucks because literal millions of that thing were sold back in your great-great grandpa's day, then maybe get something alongside with it that introduces you to the more technical side of things, like Elizabeth Drew's Discovering Poetry or Fussell's Poetic Form and Poetic Meter.

>>24813564
thought this was a good thread to ask.
I was going to get into poetry by starting with the Greeks, Sappho seemed good but then I learned translators are deliberately changing her poetry into gendered versions.
Giving her either a heterosexual or gay twist, translating the word youth to a girl or a boy for example.
This seemed very disingenuous, is there a translation that doesn't do this? If there's a greek word they can't translate they should just say that instead of changing the meaning of it.

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>>24815426
Not that I know of but I'm not an expert on the editions.

>>24815897
It's hard to be truly gender-neutral in Greek, since even if the word itself is gender-neutral adjectives, participles etc. agreeing with it will show gender.

>>24816333
then why are her poems gendered differently by equally respected translators, if there is a clear suggested gender through participles as you suggest?

>>24816425
Because some of them are straightwashing her.

>>24816428
That's what I said, they're either gay or straight washing her so I want a proper translation. As far as I can tell, there is no clear gender for the youth she is referring to in her most famous "yearning for" poem.

>>24816778
Which poem is that?

>>24816785
Most of her poems are untitled, hence why I said her most famous one. The "yearning for" poem with Aphrodite.
It is gendered in all the translations I've found, but she is yearning for a youth according to the Ancient Greek.
I guess I'll just have to learn Ancient Greek if I want to actually read her work instead of some modern translation obsessed with gender. Haven't found a book I can trust so far.

Anyways, since I can't start with Sappho who from the 9 lyric poets should I begin with instead?

>>24816799
I'm asking if you can post the Greek.

>>24816814
Know that you are asking a person who is asking the questions originally though, if you're not well learned in this area there's no need in replying to me. I just assume with my modern western education that everything I was taught as a child is fake, and go from there. Usually it's the correct method.
I do not know if this is accurate to the original greek but it is what I found. But there seemed to be others too.
γλύκηα μᾶτερ, οὔτοι δύναμαι κρέκην τὸν ἴστονπόθῳ δάμεισα παῖδος βραδίναν δι᾽ Ἀφροδίταν
https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/pais

my shoulder
my knee
it's over
for me

>>24818813
That was beautiful anon

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>>24814013
broadly:
you should have extreme suspicion for anything after 1989
you should have moderate suspicion for anything 1954-1988
mild suspicion, 1924-1953
known or self-described Marxists (and other usual suspects) should cause you to increase your level of scrutiny

>>24813564
Seuss. He’s a doctor ffs.

>>24818955
It was ableist

>>24818813
an arrow
a knee
a traveler
used to be

>>24813564
Oxford has some great collections. Their collection of Yeats' major works eased me in, though I had already read the great epics.
Dickinson is also a good start. Maybe Donne?