Is there a single female author worth reading?>austenWorld view is limited to gentry and naive conjectures about romantic love>eliot/mary ann evansWomen are... LE GOOD AND SELF SACRIFICIAL!!!! And yet, history has shown that men are the first ones to die for women>woolfWomen are only good when they're white and upper class>whartonProgress is... le impossible!!!The closest we get to a talented female author whose entire bibliography isn't a gaslighting attempt at convincing me that women are just as good as men, is the Brontes
>>24815714Emily DickinsonClarice Lispector
>>24815714No.
SapphoMarguerite YourcenarIris MurdochFlannery O'ConnorErnest Hemingway
>>24815714It's weird that you're focused more on content than style, as though Austen and Eliot had nothing to recommend in that respect. But you're also not even right about the content. Austen's not a naive romantic, she's totally grounded, as evident by her depictions of the marriage of Mr. and Mrs. Bennett and the terrible relationship between Lydia and Wickham. And Eliot nowhere praises women just to praise women, you'd have to completely ignore how overtly terrible Rosamond is to Lydgate. You couldn't possibly read either author to form these dumb judgments.But Woolf is a dull snob.
Evelyn Waugh
Apparently Sigrid Undset is good but I have yet to read Kristin Lavransdatter so I should only mention her because nobody else has
ursula k le guin
>>24815992Incredibly overrated>>24815714Dorothy SayersRebecca WestKaren Blixen>>24815819Also, really, there are some diamonds in the rough with WoolfI've also been mentioning Marjorie Garber here recently; she also writes things where one must hold one's nose or roll one's eyes (you'll know it when you see it), but she's sharp and well-read and worthwhile
>>24815810>Marguerite Yourcenar>Iris Murdoch>Flannery O'Connor>>24816038>Karen BlixenCame here to post these + Carson McCullers.
H.D.
ursula le guin
>>24815714>Austen Greatest novelist in the english language. Her irony has defeated you, OP. She is an anti-romantic who places affection above love.>EliotI don't find her to be claiming that all women are good. I find Dorothea's fatal flaw of naïveté to be scathingly critiqued in Middlemarch.>Woolfgenerally overrated but a good prose stylist, I don't know what your comment is referring to>WhartonI love Age of Innocence, not much else to say>>24815797>Emily Dickinsongreat>Clarice LispectorInsanely overrated but not terrible>>24815810>SapphoAbsolutely essential reading. She contains within herself so much of the tradition of lyric poetry that follows. Very few poets can escape her.>Yourcenar, O'Connor, Murdochall good>>24816038>Dorothy SayersAbsolutely, Gaudy Night is incredible. Her notes on Dante are very good as wellOff the top of my head I'd add Murasaki Shikibu, Christina Rossetti, and Helen DeWitt for someone contemporary.Also I agree with >>24815819 in that you're focusing on the content too much, namely what women writers have to say about women. I think this is going to lead to a lot of misreading. Characters in novels are not there to be stand-ins for women or men generally, they are there to be themselves. Likewise, the novel at its best is not solely a vehicle for political or social commentary, despite how many people want it to be.
>>24815797>>24816389What's so great about Emily Dickinson?
>>24816389How on earth is Lispector overrated? Please don't tell me you base this on whatever happened to her sudden reputation spike in the english speaking world (from people who probably only limit themselves to posting out of context "cute" quotes on facebook and the like)
>>24816405>sudden reputation spike in the english speaking world (from people who probably only limit themselves to posting out of context "cute" quotes on facebook and the like)Wut? How the fuck did she get popular? Maybe I'm biased as my only exposure to her was Agua Viva, which I view as a highly experimental surrealist prose poem in the tradition of Rimbaud, but this feels as baffling as if FW suddenly got popular with people quoting it left and right.
Moshfegh is the female Bukowski and I will never understand why she’s so hated around here.
>>24816405I don't think she's bad, but the combination of mysticism and seemingly rushed work (whether actually rushed or simply attempting to appear so) never works for me. I admit I'm in the minority here (I also don't particularly like Dostoyevsky for this same reason). The sudden explosion of her popularity in the anglophone world certainly doesn't help, but I find something like Agua Viva to be a legitimately bad book.
>>24815714Helen DeWitt, Flannery O'Connor, Iris Murdoch, George Eliot, the Brontes, Shirley Jackson, George Eliot, Joan Didion, Hilary MantelHonestly these posts are tired. If you want to let your misogyny fly, just find a female target worthy of scorn and let it loose. Acting like no women writers are worth reading just makes you look like an idiot.
>>24816400From Blank to Blank—A Threadless WayI pushed Mechanical feet—To stop—or perish—or advance—Alike indifferent—If end I gainedIt ends beyondIndefinite disclosed—I shut my eyes—and groped as well'Twas lighter—to be Blind—
>>24815714Steph is pretty based. For a uh.. Mormon.
>>24815714>naive conjectures about romantic loveHoly shit, Anon, if a woman ever has written a book worth reading, you'll never know, because you can't read.
>People saying Helen DeWittI read The Last Samurai when it was being fellated by everyone back in 2016-2017It's not *bad*, but it's very unimpressive, and there's basically no juice to squeeze out of it for an already-cultured manListen to Ravel, go watch Seven Samurai, think about the social developments since then that have wiped out positive depictions of men / male role models and ruined and continue to destroy stable family formation, go familiarize yourself with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_mechanics if you're feeling spicyThere, I saved you a whole lot of time
>>24817015Words of someone who read the book determined not to like it.
>>24815714Lindsey Davis and Colleen McCullough.Both wrote great Roman historical fiction.The Marcus Didius Falco series and the Masters of Rome series.
>>24817025>Pure ad hominemI'm sure that will convince everyone to take you seriously
>>24815714Le Guin
>>24817049Your critique is stupid and not worth refuting. It didn't reference something you weren't already familiar with so it's unimpressive? This is the complaint of someone who disliked the book before he read it.
>>24817100So you've decided to double down on stupid and can't actually provide any reasoning or evidence why the book is worthwhile or significantgg, go back where you came from
>>24817144What am I supposed to say here? That I thought it was clever the way it seamlessly weaved an education into a book that illustrated the need to learn more than academic subjects. That I enjoyed the dark humor sprinkled throughout? That I found the sentences well crafted and the characters well drawn? That I resonated with the greater point that while the media we consume shapes us, it's no substitute for human role models? Would any of this change your mind or is it's just going to be "hurrr durrr I'm so cultured and already know Ravel and Kurosawa."This is just very clearly the complaint of someone looking for something to complain about. Do you complain when male writers reference something you already know? Shut the fuck up.
>>24817168Illustrate with examples from the text, and then others can determine how concordant your claims are with it.>Seamlessly weavedIt's overt and unsubtle: every reference to Seven Samurai isn't a natural or skillful juxtaposition that guides the reader to an organic connection between it and the other text of the novel; it's jammed in.>I enjoyed the dark humorDazzle us with some.>That I resonated with the greater point that while the media we consume shapes us, it's no substitute for human role models?Who didn't already know this, and, more to the point, what about its expression in the novel is compelling or would cause the reader to see any more deeply into this issue?>Complaining about complainingYou are an intellectual vacuum.
Willa Cather
>>24817198>Who didn't already know this, and, more to the point, what about its expression in the novel is compelling or would cause the reader to see any more deeply into this issue?da and i havent read this book but this is a dumb dumb point. lots of great literature covers morals we already know
>>24815714Little Women is a very solid read.
>>24817230>lots of great literature covers morals we already know'Failed to reach the end of the sentence' award:>what about its expression in the novel is compelling or would cause the reader to see any more deeply into this issue?If it's not new information AND the execution is nothing special, where's the merit?
>>24817198>>I enjoyed the dark humor>Dazzle us with some.Not that guy, but that kid mailing the suicide note was hilarious.
>>24815714>Is there a single female author worth reading?From what I've personally read:Carson McCullersFlannery O'ConnorLeonora CarringtonLe GuinWoolf is overrated (IMO). Found her writing overly sentimental and pretentious.
Read Iris Murdoch. The Philosopher's Pupil in particular. You will find one of the most accurate portraits of masculinity ever put to paper.
>>24815714Did you think this wouldn't make you look like a total fucking imbecile?
>>24816438>Acting like no women writers are worth reading just makes you look like an idiotI could beat you up with my pinky. Get back to the kitchen, hole.
i liked emily brontekatherine mansfieldflannery o'connorflannery o'connor is very good and funny
>>24815714haha OP I love froggo XD
>>24817198expecting all this from a 4chan post lol
>>24815714>World view is limited to gentry and naive conjectures about romantic loveAnd?>Women are... LE GOOD AND SELF SACRIFICIALNah that's not what they're about. >Women are only good when they're white and upper classAnd?>Progress is... le impossible!!!And?Like >>24815819 pointed out, you don't need to agree with an author in order to find him worth reading. If you do consider everything you disagree with worthless, that generally just marks you as an autistic brainlet incapable of entertaining a different perspective without succumbing to paroxysms.
>>24817922the silence from the other end proves the point
>>24817951lol yeah annoy people so much they stop arguing with you and you win 100% of the time
>>24817198>Dazzle us with some
>>24817961'Weak cope' award
>>24817964haven't read the book so i have no dog in this fight you're just clearly the faggot here
>>24817965you already got your award, it's okay to stop coping now
>49 replies>nobody mentioned the queen of /lit/
Coming through
>>24817969her best work is her twitter account very pomo of her
>>24817968is this >>24817893 also you? have a feeling it isgonna stop arguing with you now cos you've annoyed me so very much guess you win again at life lol
>>24817969J K Rowling is not worth reading. Her books were shit before her politics, and they havent gone up in quality an iota since she started trolling trannies.
>>24817988her books are primarily for children trannycalm down
>>24817198PROVE YOUR BOOK IS GOOD TO ME
>>24818008>>24817964
>>24815714Cather is the GOAT. here's a passage from One of Ours:>He wondered this afternoon how many discouraged young men had sat here on the State House steps and watched the sun go down behind the mountains. Every one was always saying it was a fine thing to be young; but it was a painful thing, too. He didn't believe older people were ever so wretched. Over there, in the golden light, the mass of mountains was splitting up into four distinct ranges, and as the sun dropped lower the peaks emerged in perspective, one behind the other. It was a lonely splendour that only made the ache in his breast the stronger. What was the matter with him, he asked himself entreatingly. He must answer that question before he went home again.>The statue of Kit Carson on horseback, down in the Square, pointed Westward; but there was no West, in that sense, any more. There was still South America; perhaps he could find something below the Isthmus. Here the sky was like a lid shut down over the world; his mother could see saints and martyrs behind it.>Well, in time he would get over all this, he supposed. Even his father had been restless as a young man, and had run away into a new country. It was a storm that died down at last,—but what a pity not to do anything with it! A waste of power—for it was a kind of power; he sprang to his feet and stood frowning against the ruddy light, so deep in his struggling thoughts that he did not notice a man, mounting from the lower terraces, who stopped to look at him.
>>24818011No one has ever heard of this book, bro. We just know a faggot when we see one.
>>24818016>>24817968
>>24818017Sure, ok. Be sure you use a water based lube.
>>24818019>>24817968
>>24818023Yeah, sure, convincing. Also another poster told you a funny joke from the book and you didn't respond. Guess your silence speaks volumes. Anyway I'm going to leave you spend your day on 4chan, pwning the womens like the champ you are.
>>24818028>>24817968
>>24815714>Is there a single female author worth reading?If you are a woman then there is an ocean of female authors worth reading.
>>24818032this is your mother its time to log off sweetiehave you looked for a job yet?
>>24818044>>24817968
>>24817168>Do you complain when male writers reference something you already know?I'm curious about the answer to this question. I noticed OP deliberately did not answer it.
>>24817198DeWitt fan here - not sure it's worth answering you at this point since you seem insufferable and crazy, but here goes:Compelling is a subjective term and I'm unsure how I would demonstrate to you that something is compelling and that you should find it compelling I could appeal to popularity and say that you're in the minority of not finding this novel compelling, but I suspect that would open me up to you acting like even more of a blowhard than you already are.I'm usually not a fan of the "genius" genre because it's often used to demonstrate the cleverness of its creators, using a string of look- how-smart-this-guy-is! set pieces one after the other but in Last Samurai she shows the struggle and method of learning, not just the impressive end results. The first half of the book educates you alongside Ludo and, for me at least, reignited an interest in learning. You keep harping on about Seventh Samurai, but the language portions were what I found especially stimulating and I even use the color coding now myself. I don't understand how you can say there isn't an organic connection between Seventh Samurai and the book, since the first half of the book informs the second half when the plot changes and becomes about Ludo traversing his potential paternal role models, his real life samurai figures. I thought this was subtle and clever and not at all hamfisted, but again, these are subjective terms and you're predictably just going to fall back on "no u" responses like you've done to all of your critics in this thread. This is turning into a pissing contest and I'm not really interested in engaging you further. I hope this piques some other poster's interest in the book. DeWitt has another book out this week from Dalkey, can't wait to dive into it and spend more time reading and less time talking to you. She's one of the most exciting writers alive.Good luck with your transition, anon.
>>24817971kek. no.
>>24818008Sure feels that way. Oh well, he will die alone.
>>24815714Women are, on a fundamental level, unable to compete with men in the realm of art and literature. But how to explain this? There is the whole IQ bell curve argument (men being the most retarded and the most genius), but I don't think that gets to the heart of things. On a sociological level, they are also less incentivized towards greatness i.e. a “great woman" is not valued as much as a "great man". But this still lacks explanatory power.Women are overly socialized. They are by nature communalistic and consensus-driven. This means that originality is much less likely from a woman. And even the great works written by women (Middlemarch, Virginia Woolf’s works, Jane Austen) are more or less derivative. They are good students, but usually that is all. This is also partly why MFA literature is dominated by women. The most talented women will go to all the “right” institutions, incorporate all the "right" technique, but never innovate beyond this, nor think critically about the world in a truly original way. Their philosophy is always mediated and tempered by what consensus and broader society tells them it should be, by nature of their sex, which possesses a weaker and more cowardly spirit. As a result, women lack true individuality, and therefore their work lacks the originality of perspective required of greatness.Beyond this, women are fundamentally carnal creatures. Men have a carnal side as well, but they also possess a duality inside them (spirit and body), and have the ability to suppress their carnality in favor of a higher ideal. By contrast, women in their very being are ruled by their emotions and sexuality, and therefore lack a true sense of morality, possessing a fundamentally Jewish character. Women cannot know Platonic love, only the fleeting feeling of romantic love. They cannot therefore know the love of an absolute ideal, which is a crucial component of genius.
>>24818559Oh my god, stfu. Shit like "men have souls" almost turns me into a misandrist even though I'm a man. Go jack off into a fleshlight while reading you lol manga, muttering to yourself "men have morality and women are slaves to their sexuality."Fucking unreal that even 4chan retards believe this shit. I just 8% more feminist reading that.
>>24815819People that sperg out about the idpol of the writer are retarded anon, sorry you had to find out this way.
>>24815714You seem to know so much about the subject, I don't know why you're asking for advice.
>>24815714Carson McCullers and Flannery O'ConnorAlso Mary Shelley but she was a one hit wonder and her husband help write the book
>>24818014that looks good, thanks anon
>>24816389What do you think of the Brunties/Brontes?
>>24816652That's some incredible verse
>>24816389What's a translation of Sappho that you recommend?
>>24815714>austen>World view is limited to gentry and naive conjectures about romantic loveI can't tell if this is bait or if you've been filtered to a genuinely staggering degree.
Ayn Rand
>>24819784I like them>>24819836Willis Barnstone is my favorite, but Anne Carson's isn't bad and is easy to find. From Barnstone's Sappho:In pityandtremblingold age nowcovers my flesh.Yet there is chasing and floatingafter a young woman.Pick up your lyreand sing to usof one with violetson her robe, especiallywandering
>>24820118It's only fair, because the average period piece movie scriptwriter is also filtered by Jane Austen and most movies lose that subtle comedy in the novels .
>>24819157happy reading
>>24817951imagine saying this and then not responding to their follow up
>>24820677He caused her to go full retard and then left, lmao
>>24820730no one went full retard besides op, op
>>24820734>thinking I'm OPstay mad lol
>>24820738anyone can open a different browser op?lmao thinking this proves anything you so smart bye chud
>>24820754lol, I'll leave you to your mental illness now like everyone else did
>>24815714Flannery O'Connor
>>24816652>>24819789I don't get it
>>24815714Several, please turn your brain on when on the internet and use google. Women are as good as men and writing and they have been proving this every time we gave them access to education.
Woolfe and O'Connor
>>24815714Getting filtered by Austen is pretty embarrassing. You should delete this.
>>24821475It's an melancholy ode to surrendering to the tide of life and being blind, since all outcomes are bound to end the same.
>>24822222>quints for vapid whore /lit/neat
>>24815714>Women are only good when they're white and upper classThis is true thougheverbeit >Progress is... le impossible!!!This is also true
>>24815714Nope. Despite making up about half the world’s population, there’s not a single woman writer worth reading… can you fucking believe that? What a waste of a thread. You should’ve known the answer before you asked the question. I mean holy tucking shit man, stupid roasties am I right??? Why won’t they fuckbme ?!?!?!?
I'm reading Wuthering Heights right now, it's masterclass literature. Jane Eyre was also fantastic, and I think it was better than this novel.
>>248157143 great poets:>Anna Akhmatova>Marina Tsvetaeva>Alejandra Pizarnik
Flannery O'Connor. That's all.
>>24823434>muh catholicism
>>24822222>Boo hoo my mom and sisters died and I'm and ugly femcel but at least I'm totally better than everyone else and I'm not copingWell at least this poem only wastes like a minute of your life, unlike Shirley.
Jean Rhys hasn't been mentioned yet
>>24818559Your first 2 paragraphs were mostly on point, then you blew it in the 3rd paragraph.
susanna clarke
I love how everyone jacks off Sappho despite barely anything surviving from her while Pindar gets forgotten.
Marguerite Duras
>>24815992>>24816328>>24817088>>24817295unironic "but i didn't have breakfast this morning" autisthttps://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/feb/28/journey-into-space-toby-litt
>>24815714I've yet to find one
>>24815714Ayn Rand is basically "And then I owned the commies with my superior work ethic and integrity and everybody clapped", but she's still better than mostAbsurd sex scenes though
>>24815714>woolf>Women are only good when they're white and upper classHer classist claims about the fair sex are snobby as fuck but they have yet to be refuted, specially if you have been around woman poorer than you (and hopefully fucked because why else would you keep them around) There has never been a muse who sleeps in the gutter unless you're in a edgy mood and feel like writing for emotionally dead inside prostitutes because your dick told you to, something I have done before and it's generally quite a productive activity but I digress The modern upper class woman have lost their class ever since her time specially because of rich idiots marrying peasants which has led to a ton of daddy's girls being overly spoiled, never maturing past high school and generally lacking an idea of life but around her time girls like her were given full education and had fucking manners. It was the peak of enlightened aesthetics and generally very chique. If you don't get turned on by a woman covered in jewels with an extremely expensive designers dress with you dead naked, runty and smelly by her side you aren't a real man
>>24815714of course not, no woman is for listening to, they are for fucking and watching the home and the children and when they get older for making cookies and cleaning up
>>24827098Doesn't make her books good tho. Women's novels are just dollhouses that they fill with their neurotic daydreams
>>24827098Send me $100k on Bitcoin.
