Related: it's baffling how those in the Right idealize the Ancient Greeks and Romans yet look down on the liberal arts. It's a cultural problem I don't know how to fix.

The real reason of course is that males just are not very smart, except for an extreme minority. They are obsessive and impulsive, so they are literally checking out of elevated society with their porn and video game addictions while women, who have more self-control on average are taking the reigns.

>>24817146
Hmm, that's a good hypothesis.

The nature of these responses is part of 'the real reason'

>>24817141
>It's a cultural problem I don't know how to fix.
It’s very easy to fix. Reinstatement of the Western Canon (and mathematics, that was 2-3 of the 7 back in the day) as the core of the liberal arts.

>>24817146
Also most likely why everything is going to shit. Capable men who had the skill set to run things checking out and women juiced up on girl boss propaganda sending everything to hell in a hand basket.

>>24817153
The problem is people on the Right don't seem to think Western culture is still on-going. They'd respect the prospect of reading Plato and Aristotle and Kant, but if you told them to read a philosopher from today, they'd tell you it's a fake job subsidized entirely by taxpayers and the real philosophers are the comedians and podcasters they watch on a daily basis.

>>24817155
All genuine modern philosophers are taboo in universities, whether they're left-wing ones like Zizek or right-wing ones like Moldbug. To say nothing of the interesting-but-freakish ones like Dugin. Universities don't want to talk about actually-interesting modern philosophy, they'd prefer to shill the "philosophers" they have on their payrolls who are Liberalism-approved.

>>24817141
Economic re-enfranchisement would solve the problem. Working class men put out of the job by Bill Clinton and patronized by the words of Obama has alienated them from society and justifiably provoked a ton of anger so furious that even if they are aware that voting for Trump isn’t in their best interests, they do so anyway out of spite. In other words, they’re done with debates, and by extension, an ineffectual liberal class that are incapable of affecting change while simultaneously taking corporate money.

>anon is baiting me to say some regurgitated gay shit about culture wars

>>24817155
>They'd respect the prospect of reading Plato and Aristotle and Kant, but if you told them to read a philosopher from today, they'd tell you
That's not "the right". That's libertarians, a branch of liberals, from fifteen or twenty years ago maybe. The real philosophers however do not get book deals with the big five.

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>>24817146
Women get their porn through "romance" novels. That doesn't make them superior.

>>24817155
Why is that wrong? Look at Islamic societies. Sure they have their modern philosophers but said philosophers themselves would acknowledge that they are merely footnotes to the Quran and Hadiths. Why is it wrong for Westerners to stick to the Bible and the Greco-Roman canon?

>>24817141
it's toxic masculinity

>>24817174
This is a good post. The fact of the matter is that men, especially White men but also some men of other races, basically no longer get any value from our current political, economic, social, and cultural system. It does nothing for them and puts nothing but burdens upon them. So instead of supporting it, they're in favor of burning it down. Men are ready to take their chances in the Abyss, because the System has been so bad to them.

>>24817155
>Western culture is still on-going
it isn't
unless you consider mein kampf asian diasporat roastie edition to be it

>>24817174
Which is why in turn they made it easier to go to college, ideally even free.

>>24817173
here we go. I won't deny this is sometimes the case, but it is by far the exception. Plenty of great philosophers working today, employed at universities.

>>24817180
Because culture is on-going. Just answering the question, anon. Contemporary art, literature, philosophy, culture as a whole is shit? Okay, fix it. But the truth is they dismiss these things because it's easier than having to engage with it.

>>24817188
yeah yeah yeah whatever, easier to dismiss it all than spend time and exercise your mental faculties engaging with it

>>24817199
I refuse to engage with diarrhea.
Western culture has stopped maybe not permanently but it has stopped, I guess it's easier to dismiss it all than spend time and exercise your mental faculties engaging with that reality.

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>>24817203
But how would you know? What contemporary philosophers have you read? How many contemporary novels? How many contemporary poets? But no, you and others like you are afraid to have to think, so you stick with the historical greats, lest you read something that might challenge your worldview and cause you to engage with it.

>>24817210
>How many contemporary novels? How many contemporary poets?
Please.

>>24817155
>Western culture is still on-going
It isn't, although the right seems willing to let it die rather than truly fight the system.

>>24817153
No one's stopping young men on the Right from learning the Liberal Arts on their own

Literally, you can access all the material for free online

>>24817190
>Contemporary art, literature, philosophy, culture as a whole is shit? Okay, fix it
You cannot save the world. The “liberal/woke” wave is going to keep on going and going until it destroys itself, just as the Chinese Cultural Revolution or other similar waves did. In that atmosphere all you can do is read the classics in an isolated environment and wait out the tide.

>>24817220
Plenty of right wing men are doing just that anon. They just aren’t going to be in academia, at least not professionally.

>>24817155
>>24817186
Yep. It is defeatist, and likely suboptimal, but it shows how effective the demoralization has been.

>>24817120
Wouldn't you expect there to be a higher rate of female college enrollment? When most tradespeople, who at most go to trade school, are men?

>>24817146
>women, who have more self-control on average
That's a good one.
Written by a cunt simping, likely feminist, incel.
The main reason why women are so boring to be around is because they're impulsive as all fucking fuck and everything they do is emotion driven. Whatever mood a woman currently is colours her whole perception of reality; in extreme cases, it turns into BPD.
I feel like a fucking pedophile talking to 30+ year old women because the moment they open their mouths it feels like you're listening to a fresh teenager.
Think.
Why do women consume more?
Why do women support retarded genocidal ideologies like feminism?
Why do women suck as lawyers and doctors?
Why do women allow prisoners to escape when working a bodyguard job?
Why do women idolize good looking child beater thugs?
And the last one, if women have more self control, why do they always choose the guy who makes them feel scared-aroused-excited (the mechanism of anxiety and sexual excitement feel subjectively almost identical; a person with an average IQ usually can discern between the two and not mix them them together) instead of some boring but better in rational and evolutionary terms man?
You should also research female aggression (hell hath no fury like a woman scorned) and the problems that come with female addiction (it's more difficult for women to stop being an alcoholic).
The reason why men don't want to go to college is likely because it prioritizes women. Almost all of humanities academic input right now centers on feminist issues. Just read PhD monographs of your choice published in the last few years.

>>24817226
>They just aren’t going to be in academia, at least not professionally.
Which is a problem. Both in regards to rigor and influence.

>>24817146
>while women, who have more self-control on average are taking the reigns.
It's because women play on easy mode. Why check out when you are fated to win just by being born.

>>24817176
I know that by it's structure, substack encourages sophistry more than proper philosophy, but you can still make a decent living philosophy-blogging on the side to help pay your bills

>>24817180
>Why is it wrong for Westerners to stick to the Bible and the Greco-Roman canon?
The last time that happened we got Hegel

>>24817188
>Western culture is dead
>no, I won't try to partake in it or contribute to it

>>24817234
True, especially when it comes to rigor. Not sure how to solve it. The Muslims have madrassas and that sort of thing, but building a Western Civ version of that is going to be hard

>>24817203
Nta, but the issue with this then is exactly that of *letting* institutions and points of culture be overtaken instead of doing the hard work defending them or discovering the root causes instead of bitching about symptoms. But also, how is this not tantamount to intellectual cowardice? No one's asking anyone to wade through every dumb product out there, but no work at all is done by not even countering the most apparently authoritative works.

And, as a partisan of the ancients, I don't think you would actually support them if you read them. The Greek philosophers were constantly mocking rigid tradition and looking forward to men who could go further than what they'd set down.

>>24817246
damn reading is hard

>>24817120
>why aren't guys studying humanities?
why the fuck would they, college is expensive and humanities major jobs suck ass

>>24817120
Women are more willing to take on debt, expecting that either a man will pay it down the line for them as part of a romantic entanglement, or the government will bail it out as another event in a long list of the government subsidizing women. Women understand how to take advantage of the system more than men ever have.

>>24817253
>Nta, but the issue with this then is exactly that of *letting* institutions and points of culture be overtaken instead of doing the hard work defending them or discovering the root causes instead of bitching about symptoms.
anon...this isn't the sixties...

>>24817120
Degrees outside of STEM are fake and gay now. We should cut as much public funding to Arts and Humanities as we can.

>>24817266
what are you talking about anon? a lot of great research is happening like women and leadership in the middle ages, or woman and blacksmithing in the celtic world, or women and war

>>24817226
Independent scholars require rigor which is often lacking in young people. We can make up for this with a healthy amount of humility and willingness to accept criticism from others even if we do not agree with them—which isn't to say you should just roll over when someone tells you to

>>24817146
You are pretending like systems are literally rigged in favour of women, even in law it is absolutely required that many places MUST have a 50/50 split between employees sex.

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>men went to college for guarenteed jobs that paid well and offered stable employment
>college educations no longer guarentee any kind of job
>men stop going to college

>women are taking over "elevated society"
good on them, now they can die alone because they refuse to date down and rich men don't care about rich bitches

>>24817287
>because they refuse to date down
Women dating down (without treating it like an investment and expecting him to become wealthy) would fix 90% of society's relationship problems.

>>24817275
yeah bro nursing is full of men

>>24817305
they only do it when they're almost barren and even then they act like they're being charitable, let them date other women and men can date 3rd worlders

>>24817120
Why would we go to college, to be surrounded by women?

>>24817274
Think really hard about what you've just written
Are interests and abilities uniformly distributed across men and women? Show your work

>>24817266
scum

>>24817120
I think one important factor is economic shit. Men are always expected to provide. Some women can just coast through a shitty lib arts major and find a husband to provide for her. If she makes like 30k a year and her husband makes 70k that’s enough for a modest life (although that’s slowly changing lol). But a man always has to be making enough to provide. He can’t even take the risk of not choosing a solid major. Why are men so dominant in Computer Science and Engineering? Not because they’re better at math (although they are), but because they’re forced to.

>>24817146
The reason men don't want to partake is society is because there is nothing more deflating, emasculating and frankly terrifying as when that society is run by women.

>>24817271
Lol
>>24817320
Fag.

>>24817120
This is actually a good article. Steve the Builder's comment on that article actually explains the same thing in a way that I think is a bit more honest.

>>24817322
anon reason men aren't partaking is because there's no reward at the end of the tunnel, pension ages are being ramped up to provide for aging boomers, women are feminist dykes that expect every guy to shit out gold and conforming only gets you a plate full of shit to swallow
the guys who can make big money will just buy impoverished whores, guys who make ok money just retreat out of the cities to marry 3rd worlders and guys who barely scrape by spend it on hobbies
and all along the way any interaction with local women is just a career disaster waiting to happen, avoid marriage and minimize interaction with women is the best career advice a guy can get now days

>>24817155
That's because there's an increasing disconnect between what living philosophers are writing about and what the lived experience of an average person is like. (That's not to mention the obvious fact of reality that most people spend their time earning a wage so that they can stay alive.) It's too highly specialized and it has the effect of retreating into these obscure, linguistic fortresses where you can't possibly comprehend what these people are talking about. You see it in economics all the time. It's the equivalent to the coded language and excessive etiquette of the French nobles at Versailles. Plato, on the other hand, is very readable.

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>>24817343
I matched with a girl on Tinder who worked in construction management. She was cute but so insufferable I ended up ghosting her after the first date.

>>24817334
Plato was an aristocrat and he barely worked. That was true for almost all philosophers.

>>24817343
doesn't address why students would stop going there, the reason is that the fields that are worth studying for are expensive and gatekept, if you didn't make connections while studying you might as well wipe your ass with that degree
much safer to go to trades or union jobs

>>24817352
Plato wrote easy to understand dialogues that are abundant in insight
You need to be well acquainted with the major figures of the Western canon if you want to read and understand someone like Deleuze

>>24817359
Unions are bullshit.

>>24817376
depends on the country, only work worth doing is trades that eventually lead to freelance/small business, logistics, union jobs etc

>>24817359
Keep telling yourself the reason when the real reason is that the schools, colleges and work force are full of women.

When I go to work I want to get shit done. I don't want to tiptoe around you because I might get sent to HR, I want to tell you when you're doing a shit job not to get one up on your or steal away your man in some subtle manipulative female way but because I want things to be better. And I want to tell you without you exploding in toddler rage or in tears.

Environments full of women SUCK. They're barely sufferable when it's just one of them.

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>>24817120
Cafeteria-tier and yet exquisite bait
>>24817146
Trying too hard bait
>>24817141
The liberal arts have been sissified (by subversive jews allowing the degeneracy of the feminine mind to flourish)
>>24817155
Western culture ISNT ongoing. Read Spengler. Everything for the past hundred years or more has been derivative. The philosophy du jour of postmodernism is cannibalistic. 99.9% of new literature has nothing worthwhile to say. Comedian podcasters are a bit better with only ~90% of their stuff being worthless, so actually I daresay they ARE the new philosophers.

Anyway, dumb thread. Gn

>>24817384
yeah they do, guess what you can spend the years as a student standing on your head if it means you can get a better life out of it, ive been in a school that is filled with women for the past 2-3 years and despite the environment being very much tailored to them you know what i did? what men do, i sucked it up and i'm almost out there door with good grades
as long as your job is not teaching there with the women you can tank through it, wouldn't want a fucking career there though

>>24817178
>That doesn't make them superior
It does, in fact, make them more intelligent. Unless you're willing to argue pornhub is more intellectually stimulating than reading 50 shades of grey?

>>24817380
>depends on the country
Not really. For the most part they're full of commie retards who just want dues. They consistently protect lazy assholes who should be fired while kneecapping standout employees who don't need them to get ahead. I say this as someone who successfully organized 2 unions and sat on a steering committee.

>>24817395
>intellectually stimulating
50 shades of grey is as intellectually stimulating as watching spiderman or any other work of fiction you dunce
>>24817399
>i say this as someone who organized 2 committees and was the problem
lol, lmao even

>>24817390
That doesn't really get to the point, which is that the entire society sucks now because women are everywhere.

At this point I don't even care if it comes across as misogynistic. They're right about the patriarchy and it oppressing them in the past. They're dead wrong about it being a bad thing. Our grandpa's had it right.

>>24817404
have you tried working in a manual labor intensive trade job, those jobs go under if they hire too many women, pick your field better if a girl can do your job you're in the wrong field

The gender stuff is a sideshow at this point. The humanities as academic fields (at least in the present form) will not survive LLMs.

>>24817405
This isn't about me. I'm relatively happy with my current position in life, but to answer your question yes, I did it for 8 years before I was injured.

This is about society as a whole.

>>24817403
>lmao even
I have extensive experience with labour unions and have to point it out because retards who hype them just parrot propaganda and platitudes about elevating workers and their rights. The reality is unions are run by people who have more in common with owners (not even management but the people who own the company) and their middle management frequently consists of ideologues who were involved in communist politics. The most interesting guy who was on the committee I was on fled his country because of his affiliation with communism. His politics were retarded but he was interesting and could hold a conversation without getting emotional when you disagreed with him.

>>24817416
what do you care about "society as a whole"? if women want to get the cushy jobs let them, keep the job that they can't take, marry a 3rd worlder that knows better than to nag you and live your own life
unsustainable system are unsustainable and if nothing else we will finally realize why most places outside the west beat their women

>>24817395
Okay. Reading porn is marginally more intellectually stimulating than watching it. Though men fapping to XVids are not under the delusion that what they are doing is sophisticated. Women and their erotica, not so much. Coombrained activity is motivated by animalistic desires. That smut requires a middle school level reading comprehension doesn’t change that really only the grug part of your brain is being tingled.

>>24817420
Most employed women don’t “work”.
Their jobs are fake. They go to daycare and collect a paycheck.

>>24817227
It's not defeatist at all. It's a spur to action, but that action is destruction. It's war. This is a call to war. We're going to destroy the modern West and build another West, a better West, in the aftermath.

>>24817429
good, let them kill the trees that feed them

>>24817430
all you need to do to "destroy modern west" is not partake in the bullshit

>>24817120
I'm sure if we demonize women so more that will help the situation.

Liberal arts is a scam. The degree is only meant for rich people. That's the only kind of person who should ever get one. People treat it like a status symbol though, so they take out ridiculous loans for it and come out with no direction in life, because their upbringing was working-class, and they often feel scammed once the loan payments kick in.

>>24817444
we need ADL for women so that no one can criticize them anymore and we can all watch the world burn together as a family

>>24817120
They can stop being weak faggot pissbabies blaming women for problems of their own imagining and open a fucking book for once.
>>24817153
You must not have been if you think those are in any way not instantly available at any university.

>>24817436
Not exactly. As the saying goes, "You may not be interested in the system, but the SYSTEM is interested in YOU." We have seen that the libertarian approach doesn't work long-term.

>>24817120
Burn DC down. Close Wall Street. Declare all debts off.

>>24817459
system can spy on my fap material all they want, they can gut the welfare and start taxing out the ass, i picked a field that always has openings and i can just ditch this shit hole if things get too bad
let the vermin feast on the corpse and wonder what to do with the boomers pensions

>>24817420
>what do you care about "society as a whole"?

Because I'm a man

>>24817466
>i am atlas
have fun enabling (((them))) and women with your martyrdom

>>24817343
it's funny read, all this walking on eggshell, you can tell they themselves are very feminized

>>24817469
I care about the quality of society going forward because I love my progeny. That love expands outward to my neighbors.

You wouldn't probably know because the only thing you love are nostalgic braingasms over the uni testicled niece fucker.

>>24817120
University became female coded so men lost interest.

>>24817478
>i want to create a better world
you won't do that by enabling the one in place right now but ok
>i love my kids
most parents do
>i love my neighbors
i hate mine mostly, if i could live in solitude away from cities i would
>strawman
you don't know enough about me to even make a accurate assumption of what i'm about, i'm just the echo of the same ideal every white collar worker has, get the money and if shit gets bad get out
that's all the system is about at the end of the day no, you are useful to them and you get paid for that usefulness, you stop being useful to them and they kick you to the curb, give them the same mentality reflected back and leave the moment the ship starts to take in water
women become uppity bitches? date women from countries where they aren't, government starts to tax you out the ass to fulfill their hollow promises to boomers and hike up pension age? go to a country that doesn't do that
it's all in the game buddy

it's called brain drain for a reason, only retards stay behind

>>24817466
bodied that roastie

>>24817466
Checked. Based.

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>>24817483
Literally this. Universities degrees will eventually lose all value. It's already moving in that direction.

>>24817511
university degrees are only worthless within the country you were born in if you lack connections, you can still move to another country that pays better overall

>>24817516
Of course they are still valuable right now. But there is already evidence of a downward trend.

>>24817490
Ya you're an antisocial forever alone. Who gives a fuck what you think go jerk off to the Fuehrer again

>>24817524
it would have to get pretty bad for college degrees to become worthless, just brain drain to a different country until they realize you can't run a white collar industry with jeets t. AWS
>>24817525
>antisocial
people weren't made to live in crowded cities, even back in the day people preferred to live in countryside
>strawman
your nose is showing

college is a scam

>>24817146
>The real reason of course is that males just are not very smart, except for an extreme minority. They are obsessive and impulsive, so they are literally checking out of elevated society with their porn and video game addictions while women, who have more self-control on average are taking the reigns.
I got meme’d into going to an “Arts” university.
Practically none of the Craft courses teaching how “x” or “y” material was processed actually assigned required books, or even recommended books on the subjects, with a few exceptions, usually for specialty outside work the instructors had little experience with.
The “Ceramics Technology” course, literally offered to the students in the ceramics program, didn’t even recommend any books, despite a book on the subject being published a couple years earlier, by a separate local university press, on the exact subject, and literally written for art and craft students.
The liberal arts courses were less intensive than those I had as a freshman at a high end prep school.
The teachers assigned to teach the subjects were routinely not experienced in the scope of knowledge covered by individual courses.
I literally once mentioned an artist that routinely gets mentioned in association with a period of art, and the response from the professor was, “I am unfamiliar with that artist”.
The professors assigned to give guidance on courses literally had no clue how the college worked, and also what individual courses could be taken and tell you to go ask elsewhere, without instructing where.
The college later failed spectacularly.
An author who occasionally gets discussed on /lit/, taught there, although I never had a course from her.
So if you’re wondering why college enrollment is dropping, maybe it’s because the average male realizes the college educations are expensive shit, routinely taught by bad teachers at poorly run institutions, and the educations cost way too much.

>>24817555
Maybe in America because America is a fucking scam of a country that needs to get nuked already.

>>24817570
if you aren't American i dont care what you think because what you think doesnt matter

>>24817516
The point of going to university is making connections. The problem is that the arts and humanities have been bastardized because far more people attend university. Research the transition between how undergraduate degrees used to be awarded versus how they do things now. I forget which university started it but I think it was Cambridge.

>>24817343
>school teacher
sometimes society's view of these occupations changes, and it's not 'male flight' based on men reaching the lecture theatres for the degree and seeing the gender breakdown of the attendees.
richard reeves, who was talked down about in the article that OP took a screenshot of, has a son who is a school teacher.
reeves' son asked for advice about being a school teacher, and the advice was "get a classroom that has a door with a window in it", i.e. one will be thought of as a pedo for doing this work, and it's up to that person to prove that they are not.
early childhood education would be another example.

>>24817146
>women, who have more self-control on average are taking the reigns.
So how many miles of highway and power cable and piping have women installed this year compared to men?

How well is the Senate and House working now that there are so many women using their time on the floor to make fun of each other's clothes and hair and butch bodies? Oh right, the government is indefinitely shut down.

>>24817155
>The problem is people on the Right don't seem to think Western culture is still on-going. They'd respect the prospect of reading Plato and Aristotle and Kant, but if you told them to read a philosopher from today, they'd tell you it's a fake job subsidized entirely by taxpayers and the real philosophers are the comedians and podcasters they watch on a daily basis.
The term “Philosopher” particularly when applied to the ancient, and even more modern “writers” who are routinely referred to by the term “Philosopher”, covers s wide spectrum of Intellectual examination and sciences, making the term “Philosopher”, somewhat fluid in meaning.
As far as current day “Philosophers”, whether you read their published works, or listen to their lectures/podcasts/whatever, plenty of individuals still do this, including /lit/.
Jordan Peterson seems to be decently read around 4chan, or his lectures listened to, and he is current.
“The 48 Laws of Power” has almost certainly been read by many on /lit/.
Even Joe Rogan could probably have the term “Philosopher” applied to him.

>>24817578
>making connections
That's literally never been the point and the hugest cope ever. You dont need to pay $50,000 a semester to "make connections." I've made more business connections at the gym than I ever did in university. I've made more business connections with my watch collecting hobby than via university. I've made more business connections just going to free conventions than through higher education. Hell, you can email any professor in the world for free, and if you show a little knowledge and initiative, he'll be happy to assist you with whatever, after dealing with zombie students taking notes with AI all year.

Making connections. The only thing you're connecting is your asshole to a twin dildo eggbeater for four years.

>>24817626
>That's literally never been the point and the hugest cope ever
You're retarded. Universities used to be a closed shop for elites to meet and spend a few formative years of their lives together. Now access to higher education has been democratized and with democratization there's always a dip toward the lowest common denominator in terms of quality.
>I've made
Don't care. You're obviously a midwit who shouldn't have been allowed to attend whatever shit school you attended.

>>24817173
Dugin is neither interesting nor freakish. He's basically a stock character. Zizek is hardly a "genuine" philosopher. I don't know anything about Moldbug other than that he looks and acts like he should have been bullied to death decades ago.

>>24817422
>Reading porn is marginally more intellectually stimulating than watching it.
If anything it's worse for your brain, dimwit.

>>24817583
>one will be thought of as a pedo
Unless of course you are a gay man, of which incidentally there are a lot of in those jobs

>>24817146
This is bait but also basically what society thinks. Men dropping out is only a “problem” in as much as the cash cows aren’t providing money for gibs. The incentive to do anything to help, for equality or otherwise is close to nothing.

>>24817155
You are correct. Instead of trying to retake the humanities all the right does is bitch and moan and their “solution” is ending all education that isn’t labour market adjacent. Conservatism is completely uninterested in conserving once again.

>>24817770
Most people who go to university shouldn't be there.

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>we don't need MOIDS
>the word is better off without you CIS WHITE MEN
>No, wait! Come back! We need you!
You need men, but do they need you?

>>24817120
Um books about that?

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>>24817120
It's because of smegma male shitfluencers like Andrew Tate who keep saying that college is useless and you better pay for their courses instead. I know because I have a gen alpha brother brainwashed by the algorithm.

>>24817146
>>24817120
Without engagement bait, this site dies.

>>24817815
the video that ended lit/

>>24817815
Colleges have been failing men for almost 40 years now. The answer isn't keep going to college, but cross your fingers and hope it works out for you.

>>24817120
Men are doing the right thing.

>>24817815
Good. We need more IQ filters in place to gatekeep universities. If anything male college enrollment is too high

>>24817120
Chuds needs safe spaces on campus.

>>24817141
Let's ignore the fact that "liberal arts" just consist of leftist politics veiled as literary theory

>>24817946
It's genuinely horrifying to see the extent to which this has corrupted textbooks and learning materials
I'm in the process of editing and condensing a poetry analysis book for pedagogical use; partly for conciseness, but also to remove the author's outrageous and inappropriate political injections
This shit has been happening on a scale that approaches total ubiquity since the 90s

>>24817946
and so instead of being the change they want to see in the world, what, the Right is conceding the entirety of the humanities to the Left? sad and embarrassing

>>24817141
>those in the Right idealize the Ancient Greeks and Romans
They don't, they fucking hate them. They like the statues, the architecture, the fact that they're white, and larping as them, but that's about as far as it goes. Just look at the average chud here whining about how modern novels are "morally relativistic".

>>24818040
>Just look at the average chud here whining about how modern novels are "morally relativistic".
This shit is so embarrassing

>>24818040
>>24818119
Trump won.

>>24817146
>women, who have more self-control on average are taking the reigns.

Faggot or hole, call it

>>24818156
Why would a faggot be anti-male

>>24818164
Probably a twink.

>>24817120
The problem with the humanities specifically is that getting a degree in it guarantees you'll be stick with a shit salary for the rest of your life unless you go into law or something. I think more people of both sexes would love to study the humanities but unfortunately our spilled post industrial society only cares about practicality.

>>24817180
Because the ontology of Islam and Western civilization and fundamentally different. Islam is, at its core, a religion that anchors itself in the past. History is presented as a long and uninterrupted decline away from the pure revelation of the prophets, which is itself a divine command from Allah whom preceeds form and comprehension. All innovation, bid'ha, is thereby seen as inherently suspiscious and useful novelties at best. All progress takes man progressively farther away from his divinely ordained role.

The history of Western thought is rooted in the idea that man can shape his destiny, that man can improve his condition, and so on. If you look at the Greek religious myths they constantly feature human heros tricking various Gods and demigods and emerging victorious. Man is the measure of all things was the rallying cry for enlightenment thinking. The Wests obsession with Satanic/Lucifarian imagery as a kind of tragic humanistic hero also betrays this essential characteristic (whereas in Islam the figure of Shaiytan is more akin to a malevolent leprechaun type character).

Western thought rests on an extreme subjectivity, the kind that can only exist in a civilization which has been fractured since its conception and never had a centralized authority, think of how many great authors could simply cross the border to France or England and publish their subversive theories. This subjectivity will naturally resist any attempts to establish authority, espescially when that authority is rooted in an intellectual tradition which itself has traditionally resisted established authorities.

>>24817247
The madrassas are a special case because they have a clear legal function when producing scholars. Graduating from the right madrassa is the Islamic equivalent of going to a top Law school in the US or UK. In fact, I highly suspect that medieval western legal systems were themselves directly copied from Islamic madrassas.

The West has law schools, which produce the ruling elites generally in Western countries. So whats the difference? In the pre-modern world law was quite seperate from state power, each ethnic group ad community might have its own village elders who were trusted and respected in handling disputes. In Islamic countries madrassas are such a thorn on the side of state power because they are independent from it. They get their body of rules from the Sharia, so if the king wants to raise taxes past a certain point for example they can simply declare such a thing illegal and the whole community of Muslims will begin to resist what is now seen as a tyrannical overstepping of earthly power.

Such a thing couldnt exist in the west because invariably some rightist/bonapartist will dust off a couple of old tombs on absolutism and use it to label the judges upholding western legal norms and traditions as a bunch of weak libtards to be deposed.

>>24817155
FUCKING TRVKE

Philosophers like Foucault and Derrida stealthily revived Nietzche after WW2 made everyone too pussy to confront his truths yet the right shuns them because le postmodernism.

Shit that Foucault said about power and knowledge literally sounds like something you’d see articulated more retardedly on /pol/ or more intelligently by Yarvin but those faggots shun him for surface level aesthetic reasons.

>>24817120
Male flight is such a hilarious idea, so glad I learned of it. It equates men with whites and wom

>>24818388
>Shit that Foucault said about power and knowledge literally sounds like something you’d see articulated more retardedly on /pol/ or more intelligently by Yarvin but those faggots shun him for surface level aesthetic reasons.
he basically became a full on neolib by the end of his life iirc, his theory is absolutely not inherently leftist and is most useful from the perspective of the powers that be than activists or wannabe revolutionaries

>>24817180
The point he's making is that the only people who expound the need to read the Classics don't actually read or engage in any intellectual exercise more serious than calling people niggers on twitter and /pol/. They are definitely worth studying but Graeco-Roman literature has just become a shibboleth for a kind of person who doesn't actually read or engage with the material directly, only consuming them via comedians on livestreams and podcasts.

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>>24817120
>What can we do to combat male flight away from universities and the humanities more specifically?
Making them useful would be a great way to attract more male students.

>>24817190
>Which is why in turn they made it easier to go to college, ideally even free.
The same is typically true for racial minorities. If their college education is not outright free, they get access to things such as subsidized government loans, pell grants, etc., yet they still report feeling that they don't belong on college campuses. I would assume that the change in environment is too violent for them, so to speak. The same is probably true for those rural men who've seen family members fall into drug addiction and despair in the face of rising healthcare cares and vanishing opportunities for economic mobility. They're more likely to join the military and make a career out of doing trade work than fraternizing with the same people who they feel not only abandoned them but condescend them constantly. Just think of it this way: No matter how many times people try to help the black community, they still feel very mistrustful and apprehensive of accepting help. Apply that logic to rural, white men.

>>24817146
Kek, i'm a straight male and agree with you. Smart bait because it will draw the attention of misogynists to an important topic.
Resentment shouldn't blind men about the virtues of women, today there is an abundance of female scholars in the humanities for a reason. Men prefer videogames, porn, and vanities over literature.
I can't believe you retards will disagree.

>>24818517
you're really bad at this

>>24818538
You are bad at admitting some truths. Be honest and engage with them, for once.

>>24818360
>Because the ontology of Islam and Western civilization and fundamentally different. Islam is, at its core, a religion that anchors itself in the past. History is presented as a long and uninterrupted decline away from the pure revelation of the prophets, which is itself a divine command from Allah whom preceeds form and comprehension. All innovation, bid'ha, is thereby seen as inherently suspiscious and useful novelties at best. All progress takes man progressively farther away from his divinely ordained role.
Would you agree with my claim that increasingly, Western men (at least on the right) have this worldview as well? The whole “Retvrn” meme is a dumbed down way of expressing that sentiment.

>>24818553
you're demented and have no ability to engage in genuine discussion
therefore I laugh at your expense and call it a day

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>>24817120
Ah yes, the Women being paid to write a PHD about how having a sense of smell is racist

>>24817815
Hopefully your based brother beat some sense into you, cuck.

>>24818581
Maybe you think i'm some other anon, but no one has offered any discussion. GTFO though. You clearly need to reassure yourself on the matter, tell yourself that you're right, so that your pride isn't hurt by any minimal objection to your beliefs.
Just the lack of self-responsibility I expected to see in the infantilized male youth.

>>24818156
it's obviously bait you low IQ baboon

>>24818614
God I can only laugh at this.

>>24818622
everyone can see exactly who you are you have posted the same retarded deflection :
>muh you must engage with garbage
multiple times in the thread without addressing a single argument the whole time

>>24818644
>everyone can see exactly who you are
But you can't apparently. My first post is this one. >24818517
Your infantile mind is showing. Not my fault you hear the same motif repeat in your life, which is to grow up :)

>>24817155
>>24817190
>>24818581
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>>24817120
Simply ban women from entry

Women fought for the right to have jobs. If there is a greater indicator of gullibility and retardation I'm all ears.

>>24819085
Men fighting to allow women to vote. If there is a greater indicator of gullibility and retardation I'm all ears.

>>24818027
Why would anyone go into a battle where their enemy gets to choose both the ground and the rules of engagement?

>>24819096
Those weren't men.

>>24819096
I can tell you why. If they didn't they would be denied sexual access by their wives and open violence against women was condemned in the Victorian era.

>>24819113
marital """""""""rape""""""""" didn't exist back then anon

>>24819113
It's ever worse than that. It wasn't some altruistic cause, they wanted to flood the market with cheap labor. Hence, it wasn't an act of stupidity but one of selfishness and treachery. They would be long dead after the negative effects became apparent.

>>24817146
What has come since women took over in social science? Rarely any breakthrough or theories just boring propaganda for the state

I'm a Junior in college with a 4.0 GPA and college has mostly been a waste of time. Very few of my classes have had anything to do with my English major.

>>24817175
Culture wars are important.

>>24817234
>>24817247
Humanities are somewhat less important to be done at a university.
Universities are more important for scientific research.

As others mentioned, all you need is access to literature, opportunity to train on the intellectual/literacy tools necessary to process it, and discussion forums. There are schools like Hillsdale College trying to address this, and Trump's ongoing battle with Ivy Leagues is an attempt to bully them into thawing the intellectual domination of feminist Marxism. But modern information infrastructure enables study of humanities more cheaply than ever before.

What matters far more is the subsequent cultural production, influence in media and so on. Whether that influence goes through universities or not isn't important. The American University system has become bloated and inflated with free money from student loans. There's a need for market correction there, and that will likely come substantially from outside the university system. Conservatives need to move beyond political podcasts and documentaries and aim to produce genuinely entertaining and appealing culture that promotes western values and not globohomo.

>>24817155
>if you told them to read a philosopher from today, they'd tell you it's a fake job subsidized entirely by taxpayers and the real philosophers are the comedians and podcasters they watch on a daily basis.
Can you prove them wrong?

>>24818360
>Western thought rests on an extreme subjectivity
But also the extreme search for truth.

>>24817120
im probably going to say something retarded, but college is not a perfect educational model in the sense that understanding is not prioritized as much as mechanically knowing to solve an equation, they dont prioritize teaching why a formula is the way it is, and if someone tried to learn linear algebra and calculus on their own they could totally do it.

obviously self education is more optimal for computer science and other fields where you dont require a license to work in them, or where people will not die if you mess up, so you still need aspiring doctors and lawyers to go to college, but college is a way to standardize and give structure to professional education, and it is not perfect.

>>24817514
>and that's a good thing!

>>24817146

You mean to write "reins", not "reigns". Disappointed that no one else appears to have recognized this error (which may well have been intentional as part of the troll).

>>24819085
This is nonsense revisionism.
Lower class women always worked.

>>24817565
>So if you’re wondering why college enrollment is dropping, maybe it’s because the average male realizes the college educations are expensive shit, routinely taught by bad teachers at poorly run institutions, and the educations cost way too much.
Correct.
It's the cost factor that really puts it over the edge.

>>24819223
>Can you prove them wrong?
...yes? Plenty of philosophy papers and books being published.

>>24819411
>philosophy papers and books being published
Has nothing to do with real philosophy. Real philosophers are sleeping on benches and masturbating in public a la diogenes

>>24817155
>doesn't understand that people are actually dissenting and do not want to conserve anything
I want to annihilate everything you like because a world in which I am happy can only exist when you cease to be

>>24819432
>>24819434
cringe

This is the wealthiest society in the history of the world. You can get an easy job, live simply, with health insurance, and buy books to read. You will even get laid occasionally if you aren’t a goober. All of this status desperation reeks of jeet, to me. “Need STEM sarrr can you code sarrrrrr? Didn’t tink so that’s why I am rich!”

>>24819439
Pretty sure what you describe is what most /lit/ posters are already doing.

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>>24819437
YWNBAP

>paying 60k a year to get nagged at
lmao

>>24817210
Make a suggestion

I'd get a humanities degree if it could be done at a reasonable price. Form education just isn't accessible enough for most to participate.

>>24817120
You already know, Anon. Browns out, screeching feminists out, LGBT out. Do it and you'll get the (white) men back, but not before.

>>24819520
Did you just admit you never went to university?
Why the fuck would anyone want to kick femoids out?
The only thing that sucks is humanities bullshit like sex and then having no job options which isnt fully yiur schools fault.

>>24819524
Anon... people posting like that usually aren't interacting with women in the first place. He would lose nothing if they were all kicked out tomorrow

>>24817120
Humanities/liberal arts don't exist anymore. The fundamental culture of the west was changed over the course of the 20th by various social manipulation schemes. The net result is that education exists to create socially reliable people. People aren't taught rhetoric, logic, or even decent reading. Instead taught what to think, or a narrow range of intellectual tools designed to make the learner reach the intended conclusion while thinking it was their own conclusion. This is the operation of a system which views people as interchangeable blank slates.

I think for most normal people who are conservative are in unconscious rebellion against this system. There are left wing types who rebel too, but I think the basic perspectives and postulates of leftism tend to align more with those of the system so most of them don't. Now of course many of the rebellious tendencies of the right are irrational, they know something is wrong, but they don't know precisely what the root cause is. So they lash out at symptoms of the problem such as trans-shit, abortion, and vaccines. Not to say that they shouldn't be pissed about those things, but that they are only manifestations of the primary cause, so attacking them will not fundamentally fix the problem. The root cause is that our whole civilization has been subverted into a machine that perversely warps human nature and that virtually all our politicians and leaders are willing participants. There is no easy solution to that problem, so I really don't mind conservatives and MAGAs ignorantly groping for a solution. Their disobedience itself may lead to a solution.

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My English professor is literally teaching us about Critical Race Theory right now, and she even posted a NYTimes like to stress its importance.

Societal problem affects women = sexism, discrimination, grave injustice

Societal problem affects men = they're just lazy lol, get your act together

Men bad, women good
Men bad, women good
Men bad, women good
Men bad, women good
Men bad, women good
Men bad, women good

>>24818563
No. For the simple reason that Islam represents a continuous tradition of debate and interpretation around a clearly defined body of work (or several, when you consider different hadith collections being considered sahih by different denominations). The only Westerners I can think of who would be analogous would be the Amish, but even they can only vaguely gesture at tradition as their rational.

The Western men seeking to RETVRN are a distinctly modern phenomenon, which is evident from the fact that the idealized past state they seek to return to is an entirely contemporary invention which always redefines itself in reaction to current events.

Think of it in terms of Plato's ideal State, an ordering of affairs where ethics becomes virtue becomes codified laws and people are rightly guided. For Muslims, such a State existed for roughly three generations before falling apart to internal schisms. Any attempt to return to this perfect city is impossible, and even believing such a thing is possible is tantamount to blasphemy. At best we can rest in the shade of revelation, and study the past in order to better arrange our own lives (while fully aware that we will never fully approach the glories of an epoch where God directly intervened in the affairs of man). Plato also believed that his state could not last for more than a generation or two before progressively degenerating into oligarchy.

Right Wingers use the past as an "old skin for new ideas" in the words of Karl Marx. With the exception of (what I would term) aesthetic conservatives like Spengler and maybe Borges, men attracted to conservative ideas because of the inherent pathos of decline moreso than any political convictions, most conservatives start from the belief that they can change or improve society through some new law or policy or idea, then give a cursory glance over a history textbook to search for evidence that might support their idea. Thats why right wingers of the militant type will idolize Spartan society while demonizing homosexuality, for example. Picking and chosing things you like from the past isn't conserving anything its building a Frankenstein monster and I worry what will happen when that monster is fully loosed on the world.

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>>24819662
>The Western men seeking to RETVRN are a distinctly modern phenomenon
No it isn't.

>>24819673
Modern in the sense of happening after 1789, not in whatever meaning you're trying to ascribe to it.

If you cannot see how a genre like sword and sorcery is actually a subversion of the past then idk what to tell you.

>>24819625
You should feel licky my ENGLISH 102 teacher was more concerned about making us read about how faghots cruises for gay sex aim the 50s and 70s than you know reading researching writing and composition.

>>24819694
>If you cannot see how a genre like sword and sorcery is actually a subversion of the past then idk what to tell you.

Bait.

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Male enrollment started slipping because of poorer male performance in school overall, and men feeling that academia wasn't their thing. Then add on to this, men have an easier time finding good paying work without a college degree, so that's another slice of young men taken away from college enrollment. Then after these two factors are already eating away at the gender ratio, you have MeToo and Title 9, which turn colleges into openly hostile environments for young men.

And now after these cumulative effects, we have reached a tipping point where women significantly outnumber men, and that is a very, very dangerous thing. Historically, whenever women outnumber men in any institution or profession, men abandon it very quickly so that it goes from being a female majority to being almost totally female. See: nursing, interior design, secretary work, and so on. All of these areas were male dominated originally. Women made headway, then achieved parity, then tipped over to majority, and men abandoned it.

This is what is known as the "pink collar ghetto". Once a profession or institution is seen as "for women" men avoid it as a general rule. It's seen as "unmanly" and there's very little you can do to bring men back in once this happens, as the chronic shortage of male primary school teachers and therapists can attest to. It's not that there is no demand for men in these spaces, it's that men simply don't want to be associated with work that is perceived as womanly. Because men still, even to this day, control a great deal of the cultural capital of the western world, losing value to men is synonymous with losing all social value. Being an interior designer used to be extremely prestigious back when men were the only ones doing it, now if a man pursued that career they'd be called a homosexual or looked down. All of its old social prestige is gone, now that it's a "woman's job".

And that's the fate awaiting universities. As men increasingly see college as not worth their time, so too will society at large adopt the same mindset. Highly technical fields will still require advanced education, but new institutions will be founded to provide the necessary credentials, as men forsake universities forever.

>>24818614
>Caring about what a xitter user with a gay Nazi pfp has to say about anything
You people should be banned from the internet for your own and for society's personal safety

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>>24817388
>Comedian podcasters are a bit better with only ~90% of their stuff being worthless, so actually I daresay they ARE the new philosophers.

>>24819262
>Lower class women always worked.
At women's jobs. Not the same ones men had, and not for the same pay. Women were paid less and given only the most menial chores wherever they could find employment, and said employment would have to be based around their domestic responsibilities rather than in lieu of them.

>>24819223
>Trump's ongoing battle with Ivy Leagues is an attempt to bully them into thawing the intellectual domination of feminist Marxism.
You don't actually believe this do you?

>>24818360
>extreme subjectivity, the kind that can only exist in a civilization which has been fractured since its conception and never had a centralized authority
Disagree, it's entirely because of the centralized authority of the middle ages that the modern west is so splintered.
The islamic world was fairly diverse, different sets of practice, many schools of thought, minority abrahamic groups were often tolerated, and while the post-rashidun caliphs were influential they didn't hold the all-encompassing power which the roman curia had in western christendom.
The backlash to the centuries of the church's rigidity led to the protestant reformation and enlightenment, while islams (relative) flexibility and room for disagreement allowed it to endure.

>>24819641
>men
surely you mean boys :^)

>>24817120
>What can we do to combat male flight away from universities and the humanities more specifically?
Gotta make is more economical and you probably need some sort of affirmative action to balance things out.

Also boys get discriminated against in education starting at the grade school level. Should probably fix that

>>24817146
It's reins, dumbass.

>>24819662
>Picking and chosing things you like from the past isn't conserving anything its building a Frankenstein monster and I worry what will happen when that monster is fully loosed on the world
How could it be worse than the present day Western culture?

>>24819882
*rains

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>>24817388
thanks for the qrd, baitman

>>24817155
>but if you told them to read a philosopher from today
Bronze Age Pervert?

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>>24817120
This is also male flight away from unreasonable levels of student loan debt.

Probably the right move, desu.

>>24817146
moids absolutely seething over this TRVKE

>>24820161
they are SEEEEETHING, absolutely seeething. we clocked them queen. birth control and chappell roan btw.

>>24820000
Because its being sewn together from the ugliest parts of western history by mad occultists who don't even believe in it themselves, and animated with the lightening of thousands of twitter normies caught up in cheap rage bait and tribalism.

Speaking of voodoo, Liberia's civil war is a good example of what's in store for the West. The folly of youth given access to modern military equiptment and pointed in the direction of their "enemies".

/pol/ isnt exactly subtle about what they have planned for people like me and I don't exactly trust the migrant gangs that seem to be accumulating either. In some games the only winning move is not to play so I'm preparing to jump ship once things get really bad.

>>24820170
>In some games the only winning move is not to play so I'm preparing to jump ship once things get really bad.
Your winning move is using this time to build up enough financial capital to grant you the social mobility to jump ship when that time comes. So many anon seem to have permanent blinders on about the fact that withdrawal costs money. Even retreat is expensive.

>>24819729
Good post
>Because men still, even to this day, control a great deal of the cultural capital of the western world, losing value to men is synonymous with losing all social value.
women will insist that this is cope and untrue, then slowly start to join and insist upon themselves wherever men congregate next.

>>24817146
trvke

>>24817233
>Almost all of humanities academic input right now centers on feminist issues.
I'd love to call you wrong, but you're not.
I'm friends with an aspie girl who ventured to study literature. In her first year, she saw
>Transvestite literature
>Queer theory
>Sexual dissidence
>Interviews and reports (which probably were on the same topics)
The only real "literature" centered education she got, was an introductory course to latin, but they probably didn't teach her why latin is an important thing to learn.

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>>24817146
women are just midwits which is arguably worse than being an idiot

also college isn't hard or impressive

>>24819729
>It's not that there is no demand for men in these spaces, it's that men simply don't want to be associated with work that is perceived as womanly.
the much bigger elephant is
>openly hostile environments for young men
which is definitely not just college, but every workplace with a female + gay dominated HR
I couldn't give less of a fuck about the nature of any type of work, but I refuse to be tone-policed or harassed or retaliated against or falsely accused, nor will I be held responsible for matters that I have neither control nor authority over, nor will I accede to literal demands that I 'form friendly relationships and spend time with' co-workers outside of work
This soft-coercion shit is unacceptable and unendurable

>>24820095
you will pay that debt off whether you go or not

>>24820170
>ugliest parts of western history
What do you mean?
>people like me
Like you how?

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>>24817815
>posting the edit

>>24820403
Well said. I remember orientation, all the freshmen gathered together in the auditorium to be immediately accused of rape by the faculty. They literally did the "ladies, look to your right, look to your left, one of these guys will rape you" speech. I remember looking forward to meeting girls and finding a girlfriend my first day of college, but not after that. Not after the faculty accused me of being a rapist. Gee, you really cant figure out why men arent coming to college to be accused of pre-crime?

>>24817815
Not a single person has taken anything Andrew Tate has said seriously since at least like 2022 or maybe quite possibly ever. This is the millennial libfoid version of clutching pearls over how DnD is turning kids to satanism.

>>24820797
He's not entirely wrong about women. But mostly everything else that comes out of his mouth is trash. Its like finding a pearl in a big pile of pigshit.

>>24817388
>sissified by subversive jews
i'm also not a fan of what christcucks have done to the academy, but sissification isn't the problem if we observe the much more manly scholarship of the islamic world (dumb and retarded)

>>24819729
Great post. Let's not forget that there are countless scholarships for having a vagina, a black vagina, for sucking dicks, etc and for every variety of STEM. If you are a white male in the humanities and refuse to suck cocks or put on a dress, it's likely going to be a financial burden in non-european countries.

>>24817120
Get more women to not bother with either and instead get married and have kids earlier
Then the relative drop will be lessened

Academia was mostly fine until post-modernism became the dominant school of thought in it. Foucault and later Bell Hooks did damage to academics so severe that its effects are still being felt.

>>24819751
Believe what?
I can tell you first hand that the strong-arming of academia is happening. It doesn't get much coverage because the Sorosphere is far more focused on immigration.
What the result will look like in 10 years, I cannot say. But if you think Trump is only bluffing at Harvard, etc. you are factually incorrect.

>>24820934
How does it feel to parrot the same retarded opinion again, retard?

neurodivergentphobic nazi nigger

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>>24817173
I want to like Moldbug, I like his entropy rants, "Cathulu swims to the left", and some of his US history tellings.

But for all his good points there's bad points. He's a bit conspiratorial, but that might not be wrongdoing. Now Urbit is a grade A grift and shit economic design. His patchwork idea is incoherent. But worst of all, he has an irrational hatred of left talking points but in life debates he pushes and holds on to clearly illogical talking point. Hearing him argue with another person, every time I heard him, makes him come off as just dumb. I don't even know how that works in light of his history rants being quite entertaining.

>>24820247
it spills over everywhere
I will present this as an example (timestamp)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xnr-ST6ITo&t=988s
>muh sexist language!
show of hands for anyone who believes he'd have said that if the translation read 'woman' instead of 'man'
this one-sided perversity is total in anything involving language, and should have been shouted down and corrected decades ago
'gendered' language is not the same thing as 'sexist' language
see also 'masculine' and 'feminine' endings in verse, which is similarly deemed inherently 'sexist'

>you now need to take college level mathematics, logic and geometry at the start of every humanities course like back in Rome and Greece
There I fixed the curriculum

>>24822323
This would indeed reduce the amount women studying them drastically, but keep the amount men similar if not more.

>>24817141
Chuddites are inherently anti-intellectual. The core of the ideology is worship of power, and the poor and stupid are easier to subjugate.

Eliminate all affirmative action. Done.

>controls the education system for decades
>everyone is reading at a 5th grade level and consuming dog porn
kek

>>24822411
Is it intellectual to lie down and take it?

>>24820871
Studying shit all day is for effeminate faggots. It has been from ancient China to today. Masculine men build and conquer.

>>24817146
The amount of seething such a simple truth has caused.

the following idea above every other: make it easier for private universities, those run by people who loathe all that explains the fact and subject being discussed here, to flourish.
allow the taxpayer to fund these universities with his taxes.

defund the educational architecture of leftism.

>>24817173
What makes a modern philosophy "interesting?"
Philosophy is supposed to be useful.
Too much modern philosophy is only "useful" for confusing (manipulating) people and obfuscating truth.
Philosophy of science -- the evolution of Aristotle's philosophy to the modern era, has completely crushed all other competition in terms of determining truth about the physical world, and continues its inexorable advance (albeit under attack from regressive postmodernism). Even many of the classical theories on topics like human nature are being absorbed by scientific fields like evolutionary psychology. You might say Locke was closer to the mark than Rousseau but ultimately to understand human nature-- you study humans scientifically.
Kant has yet to be refuted on the pointlessness of reasoning about metaphysics.

That leaves philosophies of governance, morality, and religion.

Overwhelmingly, most of the value of modern study of philosophy comes from learning the concepts of epistemology and the intellectual toolset for determining truth in everyday life, primarily derived from western philosophers although it can help to learn alternate techniques such as the tibetan buddhist dabate method).

By far one of the most influential modern philosophers isn't thought of as a philosopher at all: It's George Soros. And it's specifically how his ideals about morality and a democratic "open society" have been tainted with a fanatical distrust of nationalism and the nation-state. This philosophy thus undermines the basis of all modern government and has caused untold harm.

>>24822627
>goy, you have to give us your tax money to fight the evil leftists!!
Jew begone

>>24817120
You need to tackle the underlying issue of treating women as equals for the purpose of burdening them with debt for a liberal arts degree that won't be of any use to them at Starbucks so that they never settle down and have families to justify importing the third world for slave labor to suppress wages and prices so boomers can enjoy 20 years of retirement on other people's tax dollars.

Basically what I'm saying is we need another Holocaust but for real this time.

>>24819729
Agree with others saying this is a good post, but with one major caveat:
>Once a profession or institution is seen as "for women" men avoid it as a general rule. It's seen as "unmanly" and there's very little you can do to bring men back in once this happens [...] it's that men simply don't want to be associated with work that is perceived as womanly.
It's not just that.
It's that men often just don't like working in a female-dominated environment and especially don't like being subordinate to one. It's not just the "perception" it's the actual reality dealing with female co-workers all day long. If you ever have the opportunity to see an environment shift from male-dominated to female-dominated I guarantee you will see what I mean.

This also why you can see fields that retain reasonably high standards of rigor or professionalism (law, finance, medicine) tend to do a better job retaining male interest despite being full of women.

Speaking as a man who abandoned a career in academia to spend his time posting on 4chan, there are a couple reasons why I dropped it, money being the main one. If I had got my doctorate at Harvard in a humanities field, I would be lucky to get a job teaching at a state school. For both biological and cultural reasons men are generally wired to be providers. In the past, a job as a literature professor was a comfortable and respected job; these days, a man who is trying to attract a wife or support a family will likely nope out of a low-paying, low-prestige job as a humanities prof.
The cultural-political atmosphere is sometimes exaggerated by conservatives, but it's true that there's a prejudice against right-leaning people in academia. This prejudice ranges from the usual liberal autism where they can't possibly comprehend that anyone is a conservative to straight-up attempts to destroy people's careers. This is going to deter a significant portion of men. Similarly, the liberal environment is going to actively encourage women to take more and more roles.
>>24822707
> If you ever have the opportunity to see an environment shift from male-dominated to female-dominated I guarantee you will see what I mean.
Present-day academia tends to be very "feminine" in the sense of promoting conformity, not rocking the boat, passive-aggressive office politics etc. This is again going to turn off a lot of men, especially the turboautists who do not deal well with these kinds of interactions.
Finally, there's a lack of rigor in many humanities disciplines that is off-putting to male turboautists. A lot of the undergrad lit classes I took focused on abstract or touchy-feely stuff instead of brass tacks close reading or analysis.
So in conclusion, I could choose to go into a profession where I have to deal with passive aggressive BS, touchy-feely woo woo garbage, low pay, and liberal retards, or I could do literally anything else. It's a no-brainer.

>>24822843
>Speaking as a man who abandoned a career in academia to spend his time posting on 4chan, there are a couple reasons why I dropped it, money being the main one. If I had got my doctorate at Harvard in a humanities field, I would be lucky to get a job teaching at a state school.

I got my PhD in a STEM field from an Ivy League university. At no point did academia seem like a plausible career path for me. I can only imagine how much tougher it is for the humanities.

>>24822892
It's just about logistics. Those who have a brain know that humanities is a dead end unless you can snag a rich/about to be rich husband. Otherwise you watch the departments burn from afar and jokah laugh.

>>24822897
I often (only half jokingly) say that I will never recover financially from getting a PhD. Instead of working a real job, I earned poverty wages for five (ish) years and came out with no solid job prospects and ended up working jobs that I could have done right out of undergrad.

Things eventually worked out for me, but it was a close call and due more to dumb luck than anything else.

>>24817751
I agree. I both read smut and watch porn. Smut is more addicting, more powerful, and warps your views of other people and relationships more than video porn does. The fact that it takes longer to go through and that it requires you to engage actively is also probably not a good thing when it comes to this.

>>24817146
Very shallow understanding. Women are conformist, socially suave and extremely alert to social status. Men are individualistic, risk-reward wired and tool oriented. Colleges are now a scam marketing themselves exclusively to women as a giant social club where they are promised social status. There is very little incentive for men to participate in society any more but for women, superficial displays of status are everything.

>>24820170
>/pol/ isnt exactly subtle about what they have planned for people like me and I don't exactly trust the migrant gangs that seem to be accumulating either. In some games the only winning move is not to play so I'm preparing to jump ship once things get really bad.

You're the only high IQ Muslim I’ve seen on this website. I don’t know what to look to either. The right wants me dead, the left wants me gay, and my fellow muslims want to turn me into a superstitious, lifeless, and stupid peasant. There’s nowhere to turn.

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>>24823463
>the left wants me gay
No, that would be your forefathers. Retvrn to tradition

>>24823463
>The right wants me dead
The right wants you to stay in Muzlim countries and to leave Israel alone.

>>24822666
>Too much modern philosophy is only "useful" for confusing (manipulating) people and obfuscating truth.
The irony of your post is that morality, governance and religion are the three big obfuscators that stand against philosophical inquiry. Postmodern "regression" stands against these by observing how these pervasive lies seep into even the ostensibly pure truth-seeking of scientific inquiry. The easiest examples are suppression of biological research of race/ethnic science, stem cells, or even positively the kinds of nonsense/pseudoscientific inquiry into things like "man's brain in a woman's body", etc.

>>24824000
Postmodernism does no such thing.

>>24824006
it does, and you'd know it does if you read actual postmodernist thinkers instead of assuming that screeching moralfags and disciplinary corporatists are representative of the views in question

>>24817348
>Construction management
>Sits in the AC and yells out the window at the mexicans.

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>>24817120
Men have a much higher impetus for the accumulation of money.

Universities are becoming places to go into debt, not make money.

Men need money to reproduce, so, they're avoiding universities. Mystery solved. This thread is now fucked by me, and every discussion that carries forward is conducted with the full knowledge that every argument is inferior to my own inference.

>>24817141
>it's baffling how those in the Right idealize the Ancient Greeks and Romans
They don't

>>24817120
is it because women dominated spaces are low prestige?

>>24823463
>my fellow muslims want to turn me into a superstitious, lifeless, and stupid peasant
That is what Islam is all about, why are you bothered by that? If you want intellectual freedom abandon your faith.

>>24824321
not that anon but intellectual freedom is always maximally painful. beyond something as dumb as faith, there are countless ways ways someone can succumb to nonsense to avoid having to think

>>24824030
>The irony of your post is that morality, governance and religion are the three big obfuscators that stand against philosophical inquiry.
There's no irony, and you don't seem to know what 'obfuscate' means either.
Science explicitly does not and CAN NOT provide all the answers in morality and government. Because those deal (at least in part) with what SHOULD BE rather than what IS.
>The easiest examples are suppression of biological research of race/ethnic science, stem cells
This is not "obfuscation" you dumb fuck (nor are the two issues equivalent).
>Stem Cell research
was controversial due to an ethical dilemma about terminating life that no amount of philosophy will ever conclusively solve, even though scientists came up with workarounds to accommodate the moral qualms of the people who objected to the destruction of human embryos. It's really important to note here that the content of research itself was not viewed as threatening, the specific methods were deemed immoral.
>race science
Is routinely attacked BY POSTMODERNISTS because it threatens their blank slate, social constructionist dogma.

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>>24824321
He might get killed for abandoning Islam.

>>24824377
I will never understand why leftists are so fond of Islam

>inb4 “we don’t like Islam we’re just anti-imperialist”
Saudi Arabia is an American ally and leftists never criticize them either

>>24820232
hiroshima sized trvth nuke

The above men currently have my cock, pictured here >>24824182 inside their mouths, fighting over who gets to suck it.

Continue.

An answered question necessitates the thread be deleted and all responders perma-banned.

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>>24824480
>I will never understand why leftists are so fond of Islam
Taqqiyah was made for them.

>>24819118
Regardless it was still in poor taste

>>24824182
Fair, but it goes back to the one anon talking about how women refuse to date down.