It's not bad but its beyond delusional to put this on the same level as hamlet or faust
>>24821877Read Bloom's thoughts on it
>>24821877Yeah, I never got the appeal. Sure, the way part 2 plays on part 1 and Avellaneda's Quixote is clever, and the image of an idealist fighting realism is potent, but in the end it feels like just another novel to me. And I don't really get why people like novels, I'd much rather just keep reading poetry, plays and maybe throw in a Menippean satire or two.
>>24821877>It's not badIt's not good either
>>24821877A cruel and crude old book.
A Confederacy of Dunces is the superior modern version
Argh! I simply m-MUST rank EVERYTHING! OHHHH GOD THIS ISN'T AS GOOD AS THAT I ENJOY THIS A LITTLE MORE OHHH FUCK MY OPINIONS AREN'T WELL THOUGHT OUT SO I JUST RANK RANK RANK IT'S THIS OR THAT BINARY THOUGHT I'M TEAM JACOB GOODREADS THREE STAR AHHHHHH! oooh, oh shit...
>>24821877Apples and oranges.
Plotfags deserve the most painful death fuck you
>>24822003Are you having a stroke?
>>24822073He's quoting the OP. You must have had the thread muted so you didn't hear OP say all that into the mic, but he did.
>>24822065I don't think a plotfag would be able to appreciate Faust.
>>24821877>hamlet or faustPeople definitely just parrot these are the greatest things ever because no one actually reads them and goes wow it was so touching when Shakespeare made everyone monologue incoherently and go insane then die or when Goethe powerfully explored the pressing question of whether sitting in a dim room reading all day is all it's cracked up to be.
>>24822141Maybe just stick to films anon, especially those from 90s onwards.
>>24821877Yes, It's better
>>24822156No, he has a point
>>24822166>heH and m are pretty far in the keyboard
>>24822141>Goethe powerfully explored the pressing question of whether sitting in a dim room reading all day is all it's cracked up to be.>she hasn't read Faust part 2, the actual masterpieceNot that it applies to part 1 much either, a few scenes at most.
>>24822173Nice cope
>>24821877I'm going to read this soon :)What am I in for?
>>24821877>buy smooth-brained Penguin version>complainLol
>>24821877I think it's wonderful. Its uniqueness feel watered down now though by all its imitations that proceeded it. Also translations...
>>24821877Yeah it's fairly patronizing in a sense, Spaniards were the original DEI participation trophy recipients.
Don Quicks-Oat
>monolingual anon on 4chinz calls it mid >romantics call it KINO whomst has the correct verdict I dare ask
>>24821877Absolutely. Neither hamlet or faust can hold a candle to the absolute masterpiece that is the Quixote, it’s an unfair comparison
>>24821877Name one scene in Hamlet as affecting as when Don Quixote vomited into Sancho's mouth.
>>24822156Which ones have the highest rotten tomatoes rating? Gotta know which are the best
>>24822912Type of reet who judges a book by its goodreads reviews. Couldn't be me.
>>24821877Why are you such a pleb? The only other book that is comparable to Don Quixote is the Divine Comedy. And the only other book that is equal to Don Quixote was also written Cervantes, Persiles and Sigismunda.
>>24821877>See the protagonist, he's something of an odity, quixotic if you will. His name? Don Quixote.>He's always tilting at windmills. Like this scene here, where he literally goes and attacks some windmills. Haha, get it?>"it is like la pot said to el kettle, get out of here burnt ass"Why are old authors always forcing these scenes that are obviously just a dramatization of some old idiom? Its so hackneyed and forced but they act like its the cleverist thing ever. Shakespeare does this all the time too, its really annoying.
>>24822183You don't need to provide your diary desu
>>24822912Just type in the name of popular films on YouTube and watch the uploaded scenes. If it wasn't uploaded it was probably not important.
>>24823509Woah, wait, what? Wow, look what I found! Can you believe this is on there?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo7VlD66ISMSee, now this? This is quality. Why can't Sir Vantes write this good?
>>24823506Just wait till you read Hamlet. It was just one long string of famous idioms and quotations. "To be or not to be"? Fucking really? How cliche can you get?
>>24821904>throw a maninpeepeen satire or twoInto what?You motherfuckerThrow it into what?Asshole!
>>24823506Say that again.
>>24823554...that?
>>24823569that again.
>>24822098It's true, I can recognize that Faust is a major accomplishment in tard wrangling the disgusting Germoid language but it didn't really interest me or stick with me much. Apparently not even people in Germany care about the shitty second part.
For me, the fact that I can read a book exactly as it was written in the 1600s and find it interesting, funny, relatable and modern is enough to praise it as one of the best books ever. Quijote is immortal. But maybe you need to be a Spaniard and read it in the original Spanish to get that feeling. Reading a translation or adaptation of Quijote is like listening to the cover of a song instead of the original.
>>24822141why is it that i so frequently see this projection from people that simply find it unbelievable that people are engaged in stuff that you yourself am not into? just because you yourself struggled with faust and shakespeare does not mean that everyone is like that. you are a slave to the algorithm bubble, my friend.
>>24821877Schopenhauer called it one of the "immortal romances", together with other 3 novels. Hamlet is a melodrama for bored housewives, not actual literature.
>>24822003Total ranker death.
>>24821877>beyond delusionalpun intended?
>>24821877It's delusional to think that you understood it in the first place.
>>24824053DQ is pretty easy to understand, just like Tolstoy and Dickens.
>>24821877I actually think it's ridiculous to imply to put hamlet on the same level as faust but that's not what the thread is about so I'll just keep it to myself
It's the most profoundly hispanic book, you can't read it in english and get the same experience. Im assuming you're a monolingual anglo who read the translation from the fact you thinking particularly highly of Hamlet and putting it on the same tier as Faust in which case don't even bother with literature if you're of the american or australian variety because you're far too spiritually dead to understand it
>>24824068Most classics are easy to read on surface level, but difficult to understand.
obligatory neet commentary:>Faust—for those who instinctively know the earthy scent of the German language, for the poet of Zarathustra, this is an unparalleled pleasure. It is not for the artist that I am, who, with Faust, was given patchwork after patchwork. It is even less so for the philosopher, who is repugnant to the completely arbitrary and random—that is, the contingent cultural accidents—in all the types and problems of Goethe's work.>One studies the eighteenth century when one reads "Faust," one studies Goethe: one is a thousand miles away from the essential types and problems.Linguistically exciting, but otherwise a shallow pastiche of cultural contingencies.t. Nietzsche
>>24824290did Nietzsche just spend his entire life seething over men greater than him? Was he like this before wagner mindbroke him?
>>24821877I read part 1 years ago and never got around to part 2. But your post actually inspired me to read part 2 now. (Part 1 is easily among the best books I’ve ever read btw)
>>24822911When Hamlet laid his head on Ophelia's lap and made a bunch of sex jokes.
>>24823837>you are a slave to the algorithm bubble, my friendWouldn't saying they're the greatest things ever written indicate a more severe slavery to social conformity and suggestion? Out of the millions of works ever your favorite happen to be the two most critically celebrated?Also everyone struggles with them, that's part of their problem
>>24824191I disagree. It's pretty easy to tell what the author is on about, whether it's social critique, philosophising, or just plain love of language and whimsy. The case where I know what the author is trying to say but the language used to convey it is difficult is much more common. The Divine Comedy, most Shakespeare plays, the Sound and the Fury, Gravity's Rainbow etc are all difficult to read on a surface level but their themes are crystal clear. The only two books where I had trouble understanding them, as in pinning down their themes and meaning, were Pierre; or, the Ambiguities (go figure) and Faust part 2.
>>24823528>The lady doth protest too much, methinksCringe. Imagine actually saying this unironically and putting it in a play.EDIT: Wait hold up, AND Hamlet has that lame trope where the guy acts out a stage murder to force a confession for a real one??? Yeah, okay, like I haven't seen that plot twist a hundred times already. Wtf I thought Shakespeare was supposed to be some kind of literary icon. More like 18th century scooby doo, methinks.
>>24821877>Faust>HamletThese are plays sweaty you are supposed to watch them at a theater.
>>24824847faust was written as a closet drama thoughbeit
I love the part when the otomans kidnap a young guy and a young girl and the guy crossdresses because they lust more after boys than young girls o_O
>>24822911Ventriloquism scene with Yorick.Alas, this made Doomers (Danish oomers) piss and shit themselves with laughter.
>>24824976That's the plot of like twelve Shakespeares at least though.
Any Maestro enjoyer?
>>24825152NO ME DA LA GANA
First part or second part? Which one did you enjoy more?
>>24826304Nobody prefers Part 2 but it has cool meta moments for a book that's more than 400 years old, and also a nice ending.
>>24826304>>24826369The humiliations he receives in part 2 are pretty sad. They don't have that naïvete of part 1.
>>24826369Wot? Part 1 sucks, it's an obsolete, no longer relevant parody of the Chivalric Romance, a dead genre. Part 2 is where DQ gains actual depth, both as a character and as a novel.
>>24826448>an obsolete, no longer relevant parody of the Chivalric Romance, a dead genreAre you fucking mental? Are you accusing a book from the 1600s of being obsolete?
>>24824183is it difficult in spanish? i had a dominican friend say they tried and it was basically incomprehensible.
>>24828198Depends on your Spanish level I guess. I'm a Spaniard so it wasn't difficult for me but I definitely needed a dictionary here and there. And I guess there's a lot of historical context I didn't get but whatever. Also, the version I read was just the book, no notes, no annexes or filler bullshit where they interpret the book for you. It may also be a different experience for Spaniards and Hispanics.
>>24828188The Iliad is just as relevant now as it was 3000 years ago. DQ part 1 on its own, apart from a few decent goofs and gags, is not a good or important read. All the thematic depth comes from part 2.
>>24828282I disagree and you sound insufferable and pretentious.
>>24828198Beyond a couple specific terms for hyper specific stuff like armor pieces, certain terms for organizations or people from the time it was written, general context and a fuck load of name dropping knights and characters from other books I didn't find the language particularly difficult at all and my native language ain't even spanish (though it's portuguese which is pretty close)Both tomes are really long though and the semi antiquated spanish can be a bit of a pain if you don't like that type of language, which I fortunatly love. Spanish and portuguese in general aged a lot better compared to english given that if you compare a text in spanish and one in english from around the same time period (1620s) the spanish one seems way more acessible than the english one, I don't know why english changes so much as a language compared to other ones but old timey spanish, while feeling a little antiquated, doesn't feel as old as english and is still pretty readable
