>>24827463
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

>>24827463
>spend the next 10 to 15 years getting revenge
how much time did the person who wronged you take? don't take more time than that

>>24827479
This, literally just put some drugs in their drink and then report to their work that they did drugs on the job. Then they will get drug tested and fired. It's that easy.

>>24827463
>why shouldn't I spend the next 10 to 15 years getting revenge
Huge waste of time. A year or two, go for it. Any more than that and you're hurting yourself more than you will end up hurting them

>>24827463
Isn't one. Go for it. Dig two graves, btw. No reason, maybe you have to kill them twice or something. Have fun!

>>24827463
You should but don't spend 15 years on it.

>>24827463
Okay, how does getting revenge actually help you?
I'm assuming you're doing it for psychological reasons, but if you're strong then you're in control of your psychology.

>>24827463
A fart for a fart makes the whole world smelly

>>24827463
Vengeance is the opiate of the uncivilized, anon. The serious wrong done to you's on him ultimately, or them, or her. Walk away. Get fit. Attempt to become a better person. It'll be hard at first but it really is the best way to use the demonic energy that now both oppresses and possesses you

In my experience either the revenge isn't really that satisfying and doesn't help me to heal or the revenge doesn't even really work or backfires in some way and now I'm even deeper in the hole and I have to accept that I was simply outplayed.

Hate is poison, it literally kills you, the best revenge is letting go and living a good life, this has been demonstrably true for thousands of years across the wildly different living conditions of all human groups to ever exist.

>>24827463
The energy, focus and drive you put toward spite and vengeance could be better funneled into pursuits that better you rather than seek to degrade others.

Why are asian women obsessed with skinwalking as white women?

If you're going to spend that much time getting revenge, turn to black magic. It'll help you bury them in a pit of despair and failure that they'll never recover from.
>>24827555
I know of a better use for that demonic energy.

In a non-atomized society, the deterrent is that their family or community will go after you.

In a society with a functioning justice system, the deterrent is the state will go after you.

We are an atomized society with a non functioning justice system. Go on your Monte Cristo adventure, anon. Good hunting.

>>24827579
Nah, never worth it. In the end it's becoming what you hated to begin with

>>24827472
Two eyes for an eye leaves your enemy blind while you still have one eye.

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>>24827596
Not at all. I'm still not an abusive, thoughtless, self-centered bully. And they've been taken down several pegs. As we learned from the Clark vs. Superman fight in "Superman III", good triumphs over evil, but only if good is more violent and even nastier than evil.

>>24827611
I don't disagree, but the issue's personal vengeance, not law v. lawlessness, anon

>>24827555
>>24827568
Forgive and forget is the philosophy of the oppressors. Why would they want to encourage a culture of retaliation? When people commit harmful acts and aren’t punished, they’re encouraged to continue. By punishing someone who did you wrong, the experience will serve as a deterrent, and you’ll potentially reduce the number of future victims.

>>24827510
If you get revenge, the person who hurt you will be wary of hurting you again

>>24827463
Just rape them

>>24827666
Based Satan sticking with the oldies but goodies

>>24827570
they want more attention and the white women get it

>>24827463
How did they wrong you?

>>24827636
Who said anything about lawlessness? I use black magic for the purposes of personal vengeance. Evil cucked good by trying to make us follow rules, when they follow no rules at all. Nothing scares evil more than good acting without restraint, fueled by righteous indignation. You should try it sometime.

>>24827744
Follow natural law dummy

>>24827759
t. sucker
You will never get me to restrain myself. That way lies loserdom.

how do i get revenge when i don't know the identity of the person who wronged me?

someone sent an anonymous tip to the police with private details from my medical records. i didn't do anything wrong, i wasn't putting anyone in danger. some Karen illegally shared my private mental health data with the police, and i got kicked out of college for it.

she made the tip anonymously, so i can't get revenge against her specifically. is my only option to go after someone who's only tangentially related to the incident to sate my desire for revenge? for example, i could go out of my way to report every brown person and female to the police, to increase the overall amount of unfairness in the world. i could become the ultimate snitch.

>OMG JUST LIVE YOUR BEST LIFE SISTER, THAT'S THE BEST KIND OF REVENGE!
this is the most female-coded advice i've ever heard. living your best life is what you should be doing by default. it's not revenge in any capacity.

>>24827611
You're just evil.

>>24827463
>So what's the argument against revenge?
Revenge is not physically but psychologically pleasurable. Revenge is less tasty than a steak and less pleasurable than sex. Emotional pleasures are not lesser goods but ultimately "revenge" is just feeling personally, or culturally in the case of justice, justified in hurting someone. In a literal sense, how many people are unraped because of every night someone sleeps in jail? How many people are unmurdered because of the electric chair? Ultimately, it requires the belief that bad people are statistically bad and will be bad again and that we can someone create a calculus of "wrongness." Should you slap or whip someone for slapping you? Should you jail them? Should they lose their job? It's ultimately meaningless and basically the original pain no longer hurts but it uses revenge to hurt you into hurting someone else. In the end, revenge is not only a purely psychological pleasure, but one that is totally without rationality or limit.

>>24827744
>magic
Cursing people is gravely sinful and using magic to do so is as well. Moreover, it's obviously pointless.

To anyone dissing my methods: show me something that ACTUALLY WORKS and I will listen. And no, "living well" doesn't work; that's just a cop-out.
>>24827777
You couldn't possibly be missing the point more. Evil people act out of cowardice and greed. I act out of righteous indignation.
>>24827786
My experience says otherwise. Enjoy being a cuck. I refuse to be one.

>>24827801
The most harmful, truly evil people act out of what they call righteous indignation.

>>24827463
Collateral will always include yourself
Even iron age dystopias had to cultivate means to inhibit revenge.

>>24827463
Good luck bro!

Dont get caught

>>24827463
It's a recourse for damned souls and never has a happy ending, if all the stories and wisdom are to go by.

>>24827463
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

>>24827463
They seriously wronged you so you are now going to let them waste 15 years of your life

>>24827463
Dont listen to the fags, revenge is a noble pursuit.
Think of the greatests literary masterpieces, how many of them are revenge stories - Monte Cristo, Iliad, Odyssey, Hamlet. Those who cause evil deserve to be destroyed, to decline doing so is to tacitly affirm their evils and become complicit in them.

>>24827764
Who said anything about restrain? And its not about you or have you forgotten who You truly are?

>>24827463
Revenge is a jewish game. Look at how horrible the world is because kikes are still seeking revenge against whites for (rightfully) oppressing them.

>>24828217
The world is horrible because whites aren't seeking revenge for what is being done to them right now. The accepted their humiliation and turned the other buttcheek

>>24827463
If you enjoy the process then why the fuck not? It's 2025 after all.

>>24827472
He never said that Gandhi did.

>>24827744
Does God always win? I would imagine not. Every life He turns away at heaven must anguish a lot.

>>24828238
And these are the messages the Protestant sunday school has been teaching.

>>24828238
I swear to you I have passion.

>>24828258
Go to bed

>>24828144
>Think of the greatests literary masterpieces, how many of them are revenge stories
>Odyssey
How so?

>>24827472
*makes the whole world a better place

>>24827463
Cute Finnish girl

>>24827776
Anon, I do not condone what happened to you, but I must know, was it because you're a pedophile and you talked to it with a psychologist/psychiatrist so it got added to your medical record?

>>24827472
That's not true. There'll be one guy with one eye left

>>24827801
The main issue is that you rely on the existence of bad people for your outlook on life. Good does not require the bad to exist nor evil methods to exist for good to flourish, but merely the good is existent in itself. Do you need to beat cheaters so that people get married? No. If there was no one to curse, would you pray? If there was no one stealing food, would you share bread? The basic error you have is one of parasitic charity which is similar to how gay charities rely on gay people getting bullied and hated to justify their existence; in fact, the worst thing for them is if the Christians who condemned sodomy were saintly to gays. Moreover, the other issue is likely something that isn't your fault which is that our culture conflates power with evil. Power is good and goodness is totally powerful. What is more powerful, the mutual desire of two people to get married or kidnapping someone's child to enslave them as a sex slave? Even in a amoral culture, you needed to be an emperor to get away with that, whereas many a pauper "stole" the emperors' kids via love. Point being, evil is weak, self-defeating, and makes you stupid--good is strong, self-referential, and makes you smart.

>>24827463
Read this: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/67650/67650-h/67650-h.htm#Page_3

>>24827463
look up the history of the balkans and decide for yourself

>>24828281
The suitors would have killed him if he walked in as himself

>>24827657
Exactly right. The propaganda against revenge is the instrument of he who seeks to harm with impunity.

>>24827463
>So what's the argument against revenge?
The Icelandic sagas.

>>24827463
>revenge
If you take it to the logical extreme you'll have to go after the people who own monopoly on violence. All argumentation against it is self-preservation done subconsciously by your brain and encouraged by the GREAT LEADERs.

For example, there is lead inbetween your bones. There is in fact, lead inbetween the bones of a freshly-born infant. This has been the case for the past eighty years worldwide. We can't measure the effects it has on the populace, because there isn't a control group with which we could compare. We know who is responsible for this, and we know who their descendants are. If you advocated for reperations for MILLIONS of stillbirths, genetic disorders, and the epidemic of serial killers of the 80s, you'd be labeled a terrorist, and shot dead by a lawman.

On a smaller scale however? I guess nothing, other than it'd be hard to evade the law in modern day and age. Even then, most normoids agree that killing a rapist is just, for example. So is stealing from a thief.
It's only legislated against so that vigilantism doesn't reach it's logical extreme. Once people saw it do the job on the local scale, they'd wonder if it could be implemented against people who's malice and cruelty far outweigh that of an average rapist.

>>24827808
Cope more. You have nothing to fear if you don't go out of your way to stab innocent people in the back.
>>24828194
Could you be more vague if you tried?
>>24828238
God forsaked me a long time ago. His will is as utterly irrelevant to my calculations as He is.
>>24828716
Huh? I've seen jumping to conclusions, but you really take the cake. I don't rely on the existence of bad people at all; I'd be perfectly happy if there weren't any, or barring that, if they left me alone. But evil people seem intent on getting all up in my business, and when they do, I curse them hard.

>>24829012
Those who harm with impunity do not give a fuck about spreading anti-revenge propaganda, only propaganda for not breaking the law.
See all the news stories about Luigi. None of them say or care about the harm he did to himself, or about living his best life, or anything else you might have read in this thread.

>>24827463
Is she Asian or Finnish or some shit? I can't tell.

>>24827776
Bro your therapist snitched you out. Also, the cops know that every brown is crime, that's why they protect them, snitching just draws attention to you. Kill your therapist, you stupid fag, and stop whining about how unfair life is. You're a white man, if the whole world wasn't aligned against you, it'd be too easy and you'd get bored.
Kill the bitch with a sword. If you decapitate her clean enough, you have two more holes to rape. Once the body has your seed in every orifice, natural and artificial, soak it in accelerant and burn her on a pile of her own books. Do it faggot. Stop being a pussy.

>>24827472
not if you crush your enemies completely

>>24828522
And he'll be the winner, and also the king.

>>24829041
This news article I read doesn't condemn revenge, therefore such a condemnation isn't culturally widespread. Good one.

>>24827657
the thing that works "as a deterrent" is immediate retribution in the context of the original offense, ie punching back when punched. "revenge" of the type described by the op is a solipsistic endeavor that only ever makes sense in the head of the one pursuing it.
>haha finally you pay!
>what?
>this is for having sex with my becky that fateful night five years ago!
>who?

>>24827776
>in order to not be female-coded i will devote my life to snitching

AND WHAT BOOK ARE YOU DISCUSSING? KILL YOURSELF AND GO BACK TO /ADV/

>>24829038
>But evil people seem intent on getting all up in my business, and when they do, I curse them hard.
This is literally evil. This is neither confusing, ambiguous, nor nuanced--you are simply incorrect per your own admission.

>>24829078
Are we talking about propaganda or not?
As far as being "culturally widespread" justified revenge "Just Desserts" is widely accepted, stories of petty revenge in particular are very popular (ex. My boss was being an asshole so I quit at an inopportune time, etc.)
Furthermore, the idea that those who harm with impunity have any sort of philosophy at all is inherently flawed, they harm simply because they wish to or because they derive some sort of benefit (usually monetary) from it. It is not carefully reasoned, it does not have any sort of school of thought behind it.
The case of Luigi in particular should show that there is a popular acceptance of revenge, it was not only the news that discussed it.

>>24827463
>against
waste of your time & energy

Hebrews 10:30-39
King James Version
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

if you think hurting people would feel good, why not just do it? why do you have to invent some cope that you're "allowed" because they gave you a wedgie in middle school or whatever?

>>24829099
A conclusion with no evidence. Revenge against evil people who try to screw me over is perfectly justified, and I see no reason why I shouldn't use tactics that they're perfectly comfortable using against me.
>>24829102
Your God gave up on me decades ago. I see no reason to give him or his ideas any deference.

>>24829038
>>24829119
incredibly tranny-coded posting. "god forsook me... evil people wouldn't leave me alone... until i became a badass WITCH named LILITH RAVENSOUL (she/they)"

>>24829162
Cope more. Not tranny in the slightest. You sound exactly like the insufferable sort of asshole I end up cursing. No wonder you rail against my tactics.

>>24829193
>i cast magic missile on everyone who notices i'm a ridiculous faggot
well then we're all in trouble it seems

>>24829200
>deliberately missing the point
This is why I won't miss any of you when you're gone. You're a waste of oxygen.

>>24829214
calm down, lilith, you might accidentally cast "stinking cloud" and there will be even less oxygen available

>>24829102
I don’t get it. Is God saying he will compensate those who want revenge? So then don’t get revenge?

>>24829239
Your fear is showing. You realize that, if you crossed me in real life, you'd be in for a world of hurt, and you wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Not only have you cucked yourself by not believing in what I do, but no earthly authority would do anything about it. You're just biding your time, treating strangers like shit, unaware of the invisible hammer hovering over your head, and unable to stop yourself.

>>24829273
lol

>>24829273
this spell made me cut my dick off

>>24827463

This has nothing to do with literature.

>>24829283
I haven't done anything to you. You're schizo.

>>24829119
>A conclusion with no evidence
>Revenge against evil people who try to screw me over is perfectly justified
FWIW, typically those who struggle with evil or are under its thumb intellectually make these obvious conflations. Truth is its own evidence but the belief in Truth does require reasons and evidences.

>>24829969
>>24829119
Obvious conflation = you contradict yourself immediately

>>24827488
>Huge waste of time. A year or two, go for it. Any more than that and you're hurting yourself more than you will end up hurting them
Wrong
You have to play the long game in getting revenge so they don't know it's you
15 years is great
They will rack their brains trying to figure out who is doing the bad things to them

>>24827463
Nothing wrong with revenge at all

Ignore the kikestians and moralfags itt if someone does you wrong and gets away with it then people will learn from that example

>>24829995
Exactly. The modern nihilist/atheist affectation may lead the weak-minded into outright evil, but it also means that many of the evil people that cross me don't believe in curses. They will literally rationalize what's happening to them with every other explanation under the sun, including "bad luck", which only accelerates their downward spiral. Once I give them a "push", they cave themselves in quite nicely. Frankly, I wish I had turned to this earlier, like in grade school.

aaah, yes. fingolian girls...

there's nothing wrong morally but I doubt it's healthy

but I thought hecking based mustache man said ressentiment is slave morality???

>>24827472
no, it only makes criminals blind
which is a good thing

>>24829982
Can't help but feel that it would interfere (rather stupidly) with my actual projects; why would I deign make some idiot feel 'special' that I'd allow him mental space, 'rent free,' for 15 freaking years of my further life? Rather dumb 'advice,' anon, in far more than a single respect.
OTOH if you're obsessed, then I guess that there's nothing else that YOU can really do; kind of a sad trap to be caught up in, though

>>24830241
What a moronic, pussy response
Now go be a nice little pussy and let people treat you like shit
So brave

>>24830241
You can get revenge and go back to your lifelong "project" of being a useless, nameless nobody, whom no one will remember or give a shit that you ever lived or died

>>24827463
>next 10 to 15 years getting revenge
They're enjoying life while you've spent a good portion of your life with some schizophrenic goal

Also it's hard to do a 1:1 revenge. What was devastating to you might not be as bad to them and it's easy to overdo it and make you look like the psycho
>they fired me from my job
>so I took their puppy and threw it in a trash compacter and recorded its barks

>>24827463
Seeking revenge requires seething for a prolonged period of time and tilts your character toward pettiness. Also, revenge isn't the same thing as reversing injustice.

>>24830262
>>24830262
Yawn

>>24830357
>>24830297
>>24830241
You niggas think we "obsess" about revenge, as it's the only thing we think about
No, we have careers, we get married, have kids
It's just something in the back of our minds
But we do not forgive or forget until we get even

>>24827463
How did they wrong you?