>most pleasurable experience in life just happens to be the same experience which binds further souls to earthly sufferingAny novels where the antagonist makes his plans just a little *too* obvious?
>>24830701so we're just gonna ignore sophia?
why do all of the fun things in life have to be bad for you? this is kind of weird
Someone redpill me on gnosticism. Every time I watch a yyoutube video about it, it comes off as childish and struggling to understand nuance
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>>24830785It's a retarded cope belief system for junkies that never want to improve their lives to cling onto>this world is a false fallen world created by Le Demiurge>therefore all suffering is because of Le Demiurge>stacy not dating me, me stubbing my toe, me being fat, my friends ditching me because they don't want to hear about DMT and shrooms, all the fault of Le Demiurge>if anyone criticises you or your gnostic beliefs then they're a hylic and will never understandWith these two combos, you never have to improve because why bother when Le Demiurge is causing your suffering, and you never have to listen to others because they're ignorant hylics
>>24832225>me because they don't want to hear about DMT and shroomslmfoa
>>24832225not seeing any arguments.
>>24830785The core of their beliefs, historically, was the “secret knowledge” (gnosis literally means knowledge btw) that the Creator of the Material World was at best an ignorant retard and at worse a malicious and malevolent entity, and that the “point” was to GTFO because this isn’t the real world. They believed that the Christ was sent to guide us out of here.This is broad strokes by the way. This belief ranges from the relatively sane and probably more widely accepted now than ever (Marcionism, where it’s basically Christianity but totally rejecting the Old Testament and Yahweh) to total schizophrenia (Sethism, where the third child of Adam and Eve, formed an initiatic tradition from Sophia and the Pleroma, etc etc)
>>24832217Post the rest
>>24832480The guy who made it never made more than this. I think he did another comic comparing pneumatics, psychics, and hylics, but he never wrapped it up.The tldr of the rest would be Christ’s Incarnation, but as I mentioned above the Gnostics themselves didn’t wholly agree on what the details of this was. Some held to the essential story you know, just that the Father that sent him was the Monad. Others believed that he never went to the Cross, he laughed at the disciples who believed he did, and comes back as a spiritual aether to mock Peter. They weren’t exactly consistent. The most likely beliefs of the ones who had the most staying power would be the “essentially the same story but Yahweh is a demon and Christ is sent from the Pleroma.” Marcionites maintained a church presence in Asia Minor up to the 7th century.
>>24830701It's heretical nonsense.
>>24832492Thanks for the contributions, anon.
>>24832512The thing to remember is that they were a diverse thing that existed in parallel with orthodoxy for a long time. Guys like Irenaeus and Tertullian used the term for anyone they didn’t like as well. People these days get confused about the Gnosis thing and think it’s about some mystical experience and it’s possible that this was a part of it, but to me the “knowledge” seems to be what I said earlier: that Yahweh/the Demiurge is imperfect/evil and Christ came to liberate us from the material world.
>>24830785You can't convert to Gnosticism. They don't even allow intermarriage. Neognostics lack any initiatory chain to connect them to divine revelation
an orgasm isn't the most pleasurable experience in life.
