How do you refute him?
>>24831090Any refutation you try to give him will be met with you being hogtied to his roach infested moldy bed while he fucks your ass repeatedly between binges of meth and ketamine. All you can do is silently nod yes or no as expected and hope he finds a younger and more feminine male to sodomize before he cuts you into various sizes of cubes to store in his freezer to be disposed of somewhere along Alaska Route 11.
>>24831090Why doesn't he suicide? It's easier than ever to kill yourself these days.
you just can't. the future is elfilist
With pic related. Suffering is just a chemical reaction in your brain, so there's no reason why it couldn't be curable. Biotechnology will abolish suffering.
>>24831109>efilists don't reproduce by definition>the future will be efilist because... IT JUST WILL BE OKAY
>>24831090Physiognomy. End of.
>>24831090Where I come from, dig up his corpse and behead it.
>>24831505>he thinks technology will fix everything
Reminder that anti-natalists are likely to be mentally ill and have a personality disorder
>>24831526This doesn't mean that anti-natalist arguments can be dismissed solely due to this fact (inb4 crying about ad hom); it does however add context to why autists make these threads and are completely unable to understand why they are wrong. It also has direct implications regarding Benatar's quality of life argument (i.e. anti-natalists are stuck in a rigid ideological system as a cope for to sustain their defective worldview).Say you're designing a logo and you want to market test for the most appealing shade of red. Would you want most of those in your sample population to suffer from protanopia?
>>24831526Anti-natalists are at a complete poverty when it comes to weighing quality of life. Their defective nature simply precludes them from accepting any rationalization outside of their own self-indoctrination. They don't necessarily mean to be disingenuous because such is simply written into their nature.Also note that the more you talk to them the more you'll realize a sick fascination with harm, violence, and death. These people don't want to reduce harm, they want to justify their resentment and spread their misery.
>>24831090His ideology incubates people like Adam Lanza.>I mean I basically support the Efilists because I do hate life and value, but um ... it’s just that I have several problems with them ... and also the same applies to Gary there are a lot of things I disagree with him about but listening to his rants are kind of my idea of pornography. It’s just fun to listen to.
>>24831526That's not true. People like Tolstoy and Schopenhauer were antinatalists
>>24831542Even if many anti-natalists happen to be depressed or disillusioned that fact alone doesn't logically invalidate their position. That's like saying theism is false because believers tend to be anxious about death.
>>24831569The average antinatalist is far from being a Tolstoy or Schopenhauer, retard.
>>24831581That fact, even taken alone, demonstrates an emotionally based bias indicating their pretentious pronouncements don't come from a place of rationality.
>>24831090Once you accept "life is suffering" and "suffering is bad" as truth, then the slippery slope to efilism (which includes pessimism and antinatalism) is inevitable. It is the logical conclusion.
>>24831594That's not what he said. You explicitly rely on the "average" of a group which is just plain poor integrity. Try something more sophisticated if you're capable of it. Even, daring, to address the central point of the philosophy! But relax
>>24831773>That's not what he said.Cry all you want but no one gives a fuck if some depressive midwit sperglord thinks he's identifying with a dead intellectual when the reality is he's a depressive midwit sperglord. Stop trying to make the fact you're a loser someone else's problem.
>>24831090I can tell by his mannerisms that he's a flaming homo. Gay as hell.
yes yes you make these threads so you can dump your gay little "reminder:" posts
>>24832095>seething>>24831526>>24831530>>24831533Never stop posting these.
>The retard posting his debunked ad-hom study is back.Feel sorry for the little guy. Must be tough with a double digit IQ.
>>24832169>debunkedLol>ad-homKeep seething.
>>24831526>>24831530>>24831533>>24832172>https://osf.io/pj5wt/The study used jeet ESLs that didn't even know what anti-natalism is. Picrel is an example of some of the nonsensical ESL answers given in the study results (link above).It's also an attack on character and not the philosophy itself. Only a midwit would even consider using that argument.
>>24831526The study was replicated again by yet another research group. This time they linked antinatalist beliefs to >antagonistic narcissism, psychopathic meanness, psychopathic disinhibition, and antagonistic MachiavellianismAntagonistic narcissism explains why they have trouble understanding when they lose arguments, psychopathic meanness explains their fixation on violence, psychopathic disinhibition explains why they post gore and sperg about misery, and antagonistic Machiavellianism explains the manipulative behavior they exhibit in these threads. >>24832190>The study used jeet ESLsNo it didn't and it was replicated. >didn't even know what anti-natalism isDoesn't matter. The study tested alignment with antinatalist beliefs and preponderance of dark triad traits. >Picrel is an example of some of the nonsensical ESL answers given in the study resultsFirst, that's a different study. Second, it replicated the results found in the first study. Third, you're cherry picking from the data set. >It's also an attack on characterCorrect. It's an attack on the character of antinataltards who post ITTs. >not the philosophy itselfYour pity parties aren't philosophy.
>>24832215>Correct. It's an attack on the character of antinataltards who post ITTs.Well, that's that then. Thanks for admitting it. I get it though, the only way you can come at the anti-natalist argument is through attacks on character, because the logic is too bulletproof.
>>24832235Just because something is damning to your character doesn't mean it isn't also damning to your beliefs, retard. Thanks for demonstrating antagonistic Machiavellianism by lying about the study, retard.>the only way you can come at the anti-natalist argument is through attacks on characterNot my fault your beliefs are tainted by being mentally ill and having a personality disorder, anon. Fruit from a poison tree. >because the logic is too bulletproofLol, thanks for demonstrating antagonistic narcissism.
>>24832280>Just because something is damning to your character doesn't mean it isn't also damning to your beliefs, retard.What the fuck does this even mean? Are you saying that the reason you posted the study was JUST to attack the character of AN's? Why do it then, for fun?>lying about the studyI did no such thing, It's all there in the link. Both the Initial and the follow up, of which is also filled with trash answers from ESL jeets bought wholesale.Picrel is from the follow up. >GOOD THINGS WITH THE BAD THINGS ARE THE PLEASURE AND PAIN THINGS.THE ABSENSE OF PLEASURE AND PAIN BAD THINGSLMAO. Very professional. They couldn't even go to a university and survey students, used Sanjeet Kumar from Delhi instead.>antagonistic Machiavellianism>antagonistic narcissismDear god you are retarded.
>ad-homs are valid, retardlol
>>24832326>What the fuck does this even mean?The fact multiple replicated studies have found that those who profess antinatalist beliefs are likely to be mentally ill and have personality disorders (i.e. of shitty character) leads naturally to the fact that they champion antinatalism due to having a mental illness/personality disorder that taints their worldview. >Are you saying that the reason you posted the study was JUST to attack the character of AN's? Nope. I read the study because I wanted to understand why retards would get continuously BTFO in philosophical debates, not be able to understand they were BTFO in said debates, and repeat that cycle ad infinitum. It also shed light on why you guys are obsessed with violence/gore, make laughably pretentious proclamations as if you've weighed the sum total of existence, and maintain ideological possession despite the fact you're repeatedly annihilated ITTs. >I did no such thingOh, so you were just ignorant of the methodology then? If so that indicates you're not very bright. So which is it: are you lying (manipulative) or ignorant but unwilling to admit it (narcissistic)?>Picrel is from the follow up.Why are you making shit up? You know you're not convincing anyone other than those that want to cope with your silly ideology, right?>Dear god you are retardedNo you.
>antinatalismatheist drivel, but funnily enough irrefutable if you accept the lack of god or divine agency as a given.
>>24831090>inmendhambiggest sperg imaginablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffje5NmZ4EA
>>24832576What God do you believe in?
>>24831090A mirror.
>>24832356>why retards would get continuously BTFO in philosophical debates, not be able to understand they were BTFO in said debatesBiggest cope i've seen this year. I don't think I've seen someone debunk the asymmetry argument even once yet.In fact, all I ever see is the midwit "why don't they kill themselves then" angle, from people who have obviously never even skimmed the Benatar book.Seems to me like you just pivot to ad-hom attacks on character because you are intellectually lazy.
This guy is an "efilist," aka a pro-mortalist, they want to actually render the human race extinct by force. Antinatalists don't associate with them.
Asmongold wrote a book?
>>24831533>self indoctrinationPresumptuous.
>>24831090he’s vegan, right?obviously anyone who’s malnourished will be unhappy.
>>24832791here’s my thinkpiece on antinatalism:all your parents really did was put you in the right room to be born. the sperm (which is you, already half of you) raced towards the egg. you wanted to be born.
>>24831090I don't know who that is, looks just like any old bum. Does he want money for drugs or something? There, there's my refutation.
>>24832791> I don't think I've seen someone debunk the asymmetry argument even once yet.It gets debunked in every thread. There are pastas as to why anti-natalists are filtered and can't respond.>In fact, all I ever see is the midwit "why don't they kill themselves then" angleThat's because you're retarded and people know that triggers you. >In fact, all I ever see is the midwit "why don't they kill themselves then" angleAnti-natalists are thin-skinned (i.e. vulnerable narcissism). One can lay out a valid multiple point argument that attacks the anti-natalist position from various angles but you guys won't understand it. Thereby, it makes sense to point out you're retarded because, as evidenced by your crying about being told to kys and sperging about ad homs instead of ignoring them, you are in fact retarded.
>>24831090>there is no watcher in the heavens>morality doesn't exist>nothing really matters>but also suffering is bad>there is in fact no good at all, just the absence of suffering hehe>let's kill everything to eliminate sufferingIs this guy for real? How does he not see the blatant contradiction in his own thinking?>oh also I am a foreveralone and clinically depressed>brokey with nothing to his name>no job, makes thousands of youtube videos>obvious victim of extreme childhood trauma
My refutation is that morality is a spook, so the asymmetry argument means nothing to me.
>>24831569Tolstoy had 13 childrenWas he a hypocrite
>>24833250This implies that sperms have agency and assumes that you are the sperm for no real reason.
>>24833349>One can lay out a valid multiple point argument that attacks the anti-natalist position from various anglesI have never actually seen this in all tge times I've lurked in these threads. Again, just people dehumanizing antinatalists by labeling them a bunch of things I'm not even sure have a real or substantial existence.
Some people call efilism "satanic" but I don't see it.Maybe "surturian" is a better label, but Surtr at least came from another primordial realm of existence. So, more of a gnostic character, I guess.
What if suffering is good because it has the capacity to enlighten people to the sordidness of the world?
>>24834125https://poets.org/poem/children-darkness
>>24834146This poem does not really adress the points in my post. The problem with thinking that sperms have agency or personality is that it turns men into walking killing machines, as every waking hour their balls create and destroy milions of sperm cells.
>>24831530Is there any arguments that support natalism in the hopes of causing pain?
>>24834155the poem is about our hypothetical children’s desire for life being already in us as the urge to create. we’re pushed along by the unborn.in the symposium, diotima tells socrates that love’s deepest impulse is the desire to beget in beauty - the future longs for existence.
>>24831512He looks like a rock musician honestly
>>24831542I still doubt he was a real person. Most kids his age aren't intelligent enough to entertain higher order concepts.
>>24834160And none of this addresses my points in any philosophocal manner. Also, Diotima was a retard, like Socrates, who at least knew he was a retard
>>24834160See, this does not resonate at all with me. And when I read this to the youngsters I oversee, it does not resonate at all with them. They think it is laughable nonsense written by some retard.As for me, I am filled with nothing but a desire to inflict a lot of pain and suffering for the good of mankind or just to effectively crush people's egos and have them shut up and cease their pathetic and meaningless gripings and moanings and whinings.Hell, if Surtur were to come to me in the night and ask me "would you like to join the son's of Muspel?" I would gladly endure the scorching of his sword and take on a swarthy charred form and march along with him to lay waste to the bumbling idiot gods and their rotting carcass of creation.
>>24834176i think i am addressing your point - metaphysically.
>>24834196I don't think you are. You just threw some poem at me and now assume, without any coherent reason, that sperms are causing people to have sex.
>>24834210think you’re a bit mixed up. but also - what would you say is causing people to have sex? to want it more than anything else? the reproductive instinct, yes, except that doesn’t benefit us directly. it benefits the species, or more directly, the child. Down towards the light his way he bent To kingdoms of more ample space.
>>24834229>what would you say is causing people to have sex?Would you be angry if I told you that it was just mindless lust?>to want it more than anything else?Prove it>except that doesn’t benefit us directly.Hence, people use contraceptives and generally do everything in their power to attain the high without the baggage of having to care for a child, which is steadily becoming very unpopular with the advent of education and the continuous refinement of humanity's liberation fetish, making women realize that they do not actually want to chose the crying kid over worldly achievement, and men just generally not giving a shit.
>>24834229Also, birth does nor benefit the child in any conceivable way, hence, they have to be forced out kicking and screaming.The sooner you realize the fundamental sordidness of the world, the sooner we can bring about fascism and give Arendt a heart attack by forcing people to be more than lesser humans.
>>24833813>obvious victim of extreme childhood traumawhat kind of trauma must he have gone through?
>>24834463huh?
>>24834489Verbal abuse at the least, perhaps physical or worse, who knows. The guy is an admitted almost pure avoidant, which is almost always caused by trauma
>>24834463whenever you want to be intimate with someone, it’s your body wanting to make babies. the instinct is pre-rational, supra-rational. the individual here is acting, without knowing it, by order of something higher than himself.
>>24834507No. This is debunked by simply observing a man say "I want to have sex but not kids".Here you have a body that clearly seperates the two. You are just philosophically retarded.
>>24834516your body doesn’t know it’s using protection. i don’t think in being contentious here. what is the object of love, from the lowest to the highest forms of being, if not the perpetuation of the species?
>>24834463But I thought the biological imperative to reproduce is the most powerful driver of the species? If not, then the premise behind stopping reproduction, willed anti-natalism, is already happening. So all you're doing is applauding the plane crash. WHat kind of a philosophy is that?
>>24834516The reason sex is awesome is to get you to reproduce, retard.
>>24833349>vulnerable narcissismokay, that's a funny one. maybe you are trolling after all
>>24833349>my argument is so good, as you can see by this soijakretarded man child
>>24834773Antinatalists are ideologically possessed vulnerable narcissists. This is why they can't respond to arguments that rebut their framing of a given issue and have melties when they're called out for being dumb. >>24834788>your "argument" is bad as you can see by this soijakFTFY
>>24834130>I have never actually seen this in all tge times I've lurked in these threadsThat's because you're ideologically possessed and likely not very bright. >Again, just people dehumanizing antinatalists Pic-related.
>>24831090Am I supposed to know who this is?
>>24835123He's a YouTuber and not a writer, so no. It's off topic and the mods don't care. And the OP is a gay nigger with aids that creates anti-natalism threads every day so that he can spam his gay nigger copy pasta.
Life is inherently evil (and that’s a good thing)
>>24832356>So which is it: are you lying (manipulative) or ignorant but unwilling to admit it (narcissistic)?Seeing as he couldn't answer the question it's vulnerable narcissism. He did get caught in a few lies too though.
>>24835151What's this guy's best work?
>>24835151>Life is uncaring violence and suffering>The cycle of violence can only end by our handSeemingly agrees with Immendham
>>24834141plenty of Franciscan monks didn't have kids but they also didn't urge those outside the mendicant orders to sterilize themselves.
>>24834155NTA but plenty of women view men as walking hunks of meat who shoot white liquid out of their dicks like a soap dispenser.
>>24835131I thought he was the writer behind the Hedonistic Imperative or something?
>>24835218Considerations On France
>>24835363His youtube name is Inmendham and he posts hour long rants every day.
>>24833349>You see I drew you as this basedjak therefore I win/lit/ is truly the stupidest board in this website
>>24833224Vegans are malnourished only if they don't plan correctly or if they're supremely retarded like the raw vegan hippie types.
>>24835585 ever looked at the bioavailability of nutrients in plant-foods?
>>24834709No. There in fact is no real reason. The order in creation is that which you have simply put there arbitrarily.
>>24834528Now you are assuming that a mindless body as something dofferent from one's own mind has intentionality.Again, you people are just philosophocally retarded. One could kill you and it would be as ethically inconsequential as putting bread in the oven
>>24834597What the hell are you talking about? You mumble something about biological imperative but when shown clear examples of people actively avoiding reproduction you just turn into an inane parrot. You do not actually know what you are talking about. You are a retarded teen who is probably still in high school
>>24834850>That's because you're ideologically possessedNo. It is more likely just because antinatalism causes a lot of seethe in a lot of very emotional people who suddenly feel the need to justify their hedonistic lifestyles.
>>24831090Why refute him? He's correct. https://youtu.be/iP2WAXdr9NQ
Do you guys ever think just how ridiculous of an existence male birds of paradise have? Their entire existence is predicated upon impressing and pleasing females under fierce competition and danger and all just so they can gain a few seconds of pleasure.
>>24835941talking about the instinctive drives that operate prior to reflective awareness - our conscious mind often serves impulses it didn’t choose. for schopenhauer it was the Will. intentionality in philosophy doesn’t require thought or awareness.
>>24835947>It is more likely just because antinatalism causes a lot of seetheThat's your vulnerable narcissism talking, anon. People aren't upset by some truth you see yourselves as discovering and accepting. People are annoyed because antinatalists are preachy ideologically possessed sad sacks.
>>24835409>big mad about a memeThat's because it points out how you retards attempt to monopolize the parameters of debate and makes fun of you for it.
>>24836191>HEH BIG MAD ABOUT THE MEEM AREN'T U? XDD
>>24836222I'd advise you to touch grass but, seeing as you're antinatalist, it would just give you a panic attack, lol.
>>24835151>writes all that shit just to end up being a catholic-flavored humanistabrahamism is so cringe lol
>>24836258>t. picrel
Antinatalists wish they were never born yet somehow think they can still land insults, lol.
