>anon, the first sales_numbers of your book just came in>3342 sold in total. 520 were prints, 2670 in audiobooks and 152 ebooks>80% of consoomers *listened* to my writings.>copyofacopyofacopy.wavHow will I cope with the fact that the numbers point out that the audience treated my work as slop? Obviously audiobooks are a lesser form of art than actually reading a book, right? Not that I would know because I do not consume either of those.The irony here is that in my script I went on a rant calling the "reader" a consumer who "reads" and most likely 80% of the faggots *listened* how I call them out for *reading*. They are now to think of me as a fucking tool. It's over.
>>24832900There is one thing. You made away with their money.
Learn to write poetry.
>>24832904As if being a legitimized thief is something to be proud of.
>>24832904I have not seen a penny yet, and I do not expect the amount to be a life-changer.
>>24832900Humble bragger, congrats on selling anything in today's economy, I'm convinced half of LIT would be published if this was the 70's.
>>24832916I admit of that. I crumble before all of you, but my subject is still open:Does /lit/ think audiobooks are lesser than actual books?
The idea that reading is some kind of special achievement you have to suffer for and then get a reward is for people who don't actually like reading. So no I don't think audiobooks are inferior, people can do whatever the fuck they like.
>>24832920I've listened to Nabokov and Jane Austen audiobooks before and those aren't sloppa. I wouldn't think too much about it.
>>24832944I think of it more as the consumer working or doing chores while listening to the book, and so they are paying less attention to it. Paying less attention to the book leads them to thinking less of it, and so the text becomes slop no matter if its good or not.>>24832949As I mentioned, I have not really listened to ABs, so I have no reference to what makes one good.
>>24832920Anything that gets the youth to stop gooning and vidya scrolling is nothing but positive in the world. Thinking and human creativity being honored is all that matters.
>>24832976Thanks anon
>>24832979Have a small, good thing.https://www.classicshorts.com/stories/sgthing.html
>>24832920Lesser nothing—different, but it just so happens that one of the big features of typography is that you can pace it exactly as you like at all times, with frictionless movement across each page. Audio is probably better for e.g. immersion or so. Depends on what you value, but I value highly the effort and focus required to read.Ignoring technological development and production talent, video games are better than movies are better than books at projecting a fictional world. As if writing about the twitch of an eye and sort of ponderous look in some heavy moment of introspection is fundamentally more evocative or informative than expertly filming it and showing this inherently visual thing visually. Speech too, is obviously most accurately portrayed with... speech. But it depends on what you value. If you /want/ to externalize things and to not bother the audience with internal requirements.
>>24832965I am never really doing any chores unless it is something extremely easy, driving a car for hours or working on something that is mechanically and mentally numbing. I listen to audiobooks all the time, probably 'read' much more and with much greater enthusiasm while doing so.
>>24832900>turn own book into audioslop for money>"the audience treated my work as slop"
>>24833314I had no say in that. It was a part of the contract, and was gonna be done anyway.
>>24832995That was sad, my man
>>24833427surely the contract was forced on you by a higher power and wasn't a conscious decision by you to agree to and signyou've made slop, another self-publication in a sea of same stuff that's dime a dozen that doesn't distinguish itself against it, a grain of flour in a cakeinstead of despairing over it, see how much more you've done than 99% of /lit/ by not only publishing, but getting people to pay for it, even if only to train their shitty LLMs
>>24833519Ok man, I had my fun. The thing is, I came to /lit/ after my first publication, which is this one. I'm genuinely freakishly new to this board. I'm also planning on linking my 300+ page script on here free to read at some point. Would someone like you read it? It matters way more to me what imageboard users think about it than what the public has to say.
>>24833849>>24832900All industries are heavily slop oriented. Since you'te thinking in numbers, sales, consoomers, just lean into the slop. The hordes are too retarded by industrial life to sit down and read. You should also forget about trying to write artistically
>>24832900For me>anon, the first sales_numbers of your book just came in>0 sold in total. 0 were prints, 0 in audiobooks and 0 ebooks>0 consoomers *listened* to my writings.that's just the way it is
>>24833465Raymond Carver, the American GOAT of heavy drinking and sad stories of simple people.
>>24832913Plenty of people do it regardless
>>24832900Don’t let your ambitions devalue what you have achieved, desu. It’s ok to want more, but having hundreds of people read your work is huge.
>>24832900>>24832920audiobooks are fine, truckers listen to them on the road because you can't read while driving. the oral tradition is long and rich. you should be proud.
>>24834188>>24834310Thanks for the important lessons. I have learned plenty from this thread
>>24832900just an opinion; if the medium matters more to you than the message you're writing for the wrong reasons.
>>24832900Not fair anon, you don't hit us with that prose, so we can see what sells 3342 units these days.We gave you our best, now give us yours.
>>24832920Audiobooks are fine, but they're also not books, and listening to them is not the same as reading. They're adaptationsI don't look down on someone who experienced LotR via the Peter Jackson films, but I'm also not going to take anything they say about the books seriously.
>>24832900Here is how I know you are lying: Unknown authors don't get audiobooks unless they self-publish and have AI read it. No publisher would invest money into an audiobook reading for an unknown work by an unproven author that they have no idea will sell well.
>>24834310>implying that truckers don't zone out and let it just be background noise
Not only did they only listen to your book they did it while folding their laundry. You were background noise. But 500 people presumably read it, and there is no vindication in a number just because it's bigger. Maybe 500 people on this planet are walking around thinking about words you wrote that wouldn't have been. Would that sound better if it were 1,000, 5,000... The number is ultimately pointless unless you do in fact care about the money. Then take what little money there is and run.
>>24835652My actual reason was far worse and I'm ashamed of telling it because I can not pinpoint exactly what it was. Lack of getting enough attention I think. Maybe it was validation. The medium is important, because I'm afraid the message will land wrong or not at all if it's adapted into a form as simple as "a guy reading". I didn't want that to be a part of the IP but wasn't gonna stop 'em if they were keen on doing so. In the end the audience liked the readers performance, but I didn't find it to be anything special. - Unlike my script, which was fire. Oh yeah the studio flat-out refused to read the N-word which was in there like 6 times >>24835696The books subjects were very trendy and that's why it sold, let alone was picked up by the publisher. Speaking of which:>>24836147>No publisher would invest money into an audiobook reading for an unknown work by an unproven author that they have no idea will sell well.My publisher is 'a major one' and they themselves said doing an audiobook is standard practice in their field. Didn't matter was I known beforehand or not, albeit we began working with a /ghost rider/. After seeing the first draft look nothing like my vision, I took responsibility and started over. Like straight from 0-over. Publisher liked what I came up with, so it wasn't ever a problem.>no idea will sellThere was also marketing, so technically they had an educated guess it was gonna sell at least something.>>24836119Good point.>>24836391>Would that sound better if it were 1,000, 5,000... I'm a sucker for milestones, but I don't fundamentally write for money. You got me thinking how long I've come from being the sole reader of my own stuff. Guess you too caught me taking things for granted. There's gonna be a single paycheck which I will go and invest poorly. Hoping to buy a gun out of that, but I might have to compromise and get a van instead so I can drive away from my problems. Shit, maybe I could write on the road for bread.
>>24834165If you genuinely made something, why didn't you at least shill it on the internet or summin?
>>24836147they are just having the authors read their own books. there's basically no investment in it at all
>>24837355nah that's rarely the case. they pay a stable of B-listers actors and the math works best if they're reading constantly, even if it's authors or books people haven't heard ofas OP has seen the barrier for people to try a new audiobook - or at least buy it and maybe listen to it one day - is much lower than a real book.
>>24837252>>24832900If you can perform the VA reading the audiobook, you should. Leaving money on the table.
>>24837285i did.
>>24832920Have you never listened to a loved one read to you?
>>24832900>>80% of consoomers *listened* to my writings.based. I love piping my own writing into TTS it fills me with joy
>>24832900>Complaining that people consume your slopAre all writers this retarded?What's your book, OP? Let us decide if you're slop
>>24832920I’m a tourist but I don’t think it’s a lesser form. It’s a different way to experience it. I would consider listening to an audiobook “reading,” though. If the purpose is leisure or genuine personal growth, I insist on physical copies. It’s more of a philosophical choice though. Digital books are too easy to alter. Either the ebooks themselves or the population of ebooks. At least with physical, propaganda through change is much slower.
If I had those kinds of sales numbers, I'd be ecstatic. All my novels put together have sold less than 50 copies over the 3 years they've been out.
How the fuck did you get a publisher?
>>24832900You justified the purpose of someone else. A guy who records himself reading books.Or is it already all done by AI now?
>>24838076as soon as i detect AI voiceover of anything i shut it off
>>24837436I don't mind if you toss it here. Go on.
>>24837449I prefer to answer 'no'.>>24837739It's not available in english, until I translate it. Maybe next month? In good faith I think it's far above slop. And yes I am very retarded. Like you have no idea.>>24838006 check>>24837252>>24837884I was a bit tonedeaf the way I OP'd. Sorry for the 5th time
