These authors are dangerous and drive people to suicide. Why would anyone read them?
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>>24834337They are so childish.I don't get how people unironically read Beckett or Cioran.
whats wrong with suicide? dont we all have the right to die
all of them are déconneurs, save for Pessoathe fuck are you talking about
I've read books from all four and I'm alive still
Whom have they driven to suicide?
>>24834366Suicide necessarily causes a death spiral. It makes sense for a society to decry it.
>>24835059It was often considered tragic in antiquity but seldom decried, especially if it was to save face or honor or because the be was so old as to be sick of life. Most people don’t decry Mishima’s suicide. It is decried today because the act is pointless violence. When life has no meaning, death has no purpose. No one has any honor to lose and age is not a decline from any past glory or beauty, so suicide becomes an act of revolt against life itself which it was no considered in prior ages. I actually want death—not because I think life is bad, just because I think death is better. However I haven’t committed suicide because even if life is not as good as death, it is still a novelty, and so I live for the novelty of living. I think people seem to miss in the Book of Disquiet that even misery and loneliness are embraced for their novelty and aesthetic potential
I think it is good to feel hungry. You can use it as a locus for your attention and a constant reminder to detach from the body. It becomes pleasant.
>>24835115What are your favorite books?
>>24835140Mostly hentai desu
>>24835115>However I haven’t committed suicide because even if life is not as good as death, it is still a noveltyYou probably will once your life becomes constant pain, boredom and misery
>>24834678Then you’re just a poser. Nothing to be proud of
>BeckettWould probably drive someone to suicide out of boredom, not out of some existential crisis>SuicideMost people dislike suicide because it reminds them that life is temporary, or they get mad because the suicidee has left them behind in this mess that they also hate deep down. But we really shouldn't treat it as such a bad thing. I mean, the dead person is no longer suffering and is at peace.
Some people just aren't able to tell themselves the lies necessary to live a normie life, or they have genetic deficiencies in their brain chemistry. To me this is no different than being born with a life threatening disease like cancer. You wouldn't blame a cancer patient for dying.
>>24834337Kafka is more of a threat tobehonestwithyousenpai
Cioran was pretty funny from what I remember. need to try him in froganese
>>24834337Tf? Pessoa helped me feel less suicidal. His writing offered a sense of relief, knowing I wasn’t alone in my schizo autistic thoughts. Also, it was clear that he saw a lot of beauty in life. He wrote about it a lot. Cioran, I never got. A Short history of Decay read like teenage angst sprinkled with a thick layer of pseudo intellectualism to confirm pre-conceived, weak and hopeless notions.
Suicide is bad because it rips me of economic benefit the suiciders could generate, improving my life. They often become a net negative.If you're going to kill yourself then at least give back the society what it expended on your ass by working hard for a few years, selfish snobs
>>24834373Why are you calling them jokesters? I mean, yeah Beckett is a jokester, but he's a very abnormal jokester. He's like a Norm MacDonald style jokester. I don't think Bernhard is a jokester but I've only read The Loser. I assume you're calling Cioran a jokester because "he didn't actually believe what he wrote." Explain yourself.
>>24836094fuck europoors and you much more
>>24834337Imagine being such a mentally ill weak willed faggot that you're driven to suicide by mere words. Grow up.
>>24834337Unironically reading Schopenhauer can really induce suicide and i'm not even kidding
>>24836094trvke, unironically this should explain why suicide is the best choice to the sissyphean plebs that infest this world
>>24835169>Being alive is poserishPowerful.
>>24834337Beckett is a beacon of hope, not a wallower, even in his book all about wallowing in mud.
>>24834337if some whiny pseud can drive you to suicide maybe you should do it
>>24834353NAS brimstone.
>>24834353Darkest coal known to man
>>24835176>and is at peaceThis is a leap. Where can that peace occur if there is no spatial or temporal dimension in death for an absence of suffering to be perceived?
>>24836278If a person is drawn to Schopenhauer and willing to read all he wrote, they already had something morbid and pessimistic within them in the first place. He just gives lucid expression to those dark feelings
Risk of suicide goes up when a person is no longer capable of telling themselves the comfortable lies needed to stay sane. The truth is terrifying. Ignorance and happiness are synonyms.
>>24836949Not interested in semantics. The being is no longer suffering.
>>24836970People used to read philosophers just to develop their own worldviews through opposition. Such work can be meaningful regardless if you agree with its author. What happened?
>>24836949>>24837000Checked and btfo
pessoa is a real danger. you can be bored to death.
>>24835140Kafka, Shakespeare, Dante, Homer, Ralph Ellison>>24835163My life already is and has been for some time, my memories, feelings and physical sensations are mostly a fluctuation between boredom and agony. I only find solace in classical music, literature and sleep, and whenever I sleep I reminded of that line from the Odyssey in which Homer says Odysseus fell into the sweetest of sleeps, very like death. My life, you see, is more lonely than even the character of Pessoa, since I remain alone in my dreams. Whenever I close my eyes and let my mind or perhaps soul roam where it will, I am alone there too. Among dogs, trees and insects, I remain alone. Because if I were not alone, abjectly alone and utterly lonely, I would not be myself but someone else entirely.
>>24834353Glittering gemerald blessed by the gods.
>>24837007I hear you. Maybe people are attracted more to the temperament and style of an author than to the content itself. It’s the warmth and wittiness of Hume and the sarcasm and eloquence of Schopenhauer that keep me coming back to them even though I already know their arguments and teachings. That’s why I said people probably already have a darkness lurking within if Schopenhauer’s darkness strikes a chord with them. Even if a person is consciously seeking authors of the opposite party or position, we can’t help but be drawn to personalities similar to our own.
god blessed this planet with selection mechanisms
>>24835163>”And these men, for whom life has no repose, live at times in their rare moments of happiness with such strength and indescribable beauty, the spray of their moment’s happiness is flung so high and dazzlingly over the wide sea of suffering…”
>>24834337They are goofy
>>24834337Bernhard had tuberculosis as a child and his doctors thought he wouldn't live to be older than a teenager. He claimed somewhere that lying in bed struggling to breath was his inspiration for writing since he thought it was a way to get rid of thoughts. This is a frequently occurring theme in his works. In Concrete the guy talks about research being cathartic and how others were trying to annihilate him. In another book of his one of his characters conjectures Nietzsche was trying to do the same thing and couldn't get rid of thoughts fast enough and that's why he went mad. In his later works he claimed somewhere that attempts to annihilate the self were just attempts to find childhood before self realization of the futility of finding self approval through others. Overall I would say Bernhard was a guy who had numerous opportunities to die conveniently but decided to just continue. He's frequently seen as someone who refused to accept life could be good but that's not really a fair characterization. Cioran will try to talk you out of it, not sure why, I suspect it's just for the purposes of complaining. No idea on the other 2.
>>24834337And yet none of these authors committed suicide themselves InterestingAnd you don't believe the same to be true of Hemmingway, Woolf, DFW, Plath Dazai, Mishima, , etc...
>>24835115>I haven’t committed suicide becauseYou're a faggot scared of death >t. Suicidechad that is now haunting a laptop
>>24838772How did you upload your consciousness? Please respond.
Beckett is hilarious and made the most purest literature, stripped bare. You could live the lightest life by him. Cioran is simpy right about everything. The vanity of ideology, the burden of eternity and nothing lifted from our shoulders. We can go on, fansinated and irresponsibly worthy.Pessoa is a bore and I dunno who the fuck the other guy is but if that is Benatar well all utilitarians can kts to ease my suffering they hold so dear
>>24834337As someone mentioned in this threadSchopenhauer could influence you into suicide more vaguely than these writers (Although Emil Cioran is close on the spectrum)But Philip Mainlander is the true suicide inducer
>>24839039>I dunno who the fuck the other guy isThomas Bernhard
>>24838783I didn't, my parents were stupid enough to circumcise me, which put me on a pact with the caanaite god YHVH and as punishment for committing suicide, he trapped my consciousness in this shitty website
>>24839574>Bern HardHe should Burn Local instead of Burning Hard imo
>>24838424Their nihilistic pessimism unironically saved them
>>24835169"No position so false as having UNDERSTOOD and still remaining alive." -Cioran He was aware that he implicated himself with this remark, sort of the point, really
>>24835115>the Book of Disquiet that even misery and loneliness are embraced for their novelty and aesthetic potentialwell said. luv Pessoa
>>24839039>Beckett is hilariousHe is cringe. Not funny in the slightest
>>24834353kek
>>24834337People are scared about confronting the aspects of their life that would lead them to actual growth. Instead they wish to see themselves but performed from a more hidden angle to feel as if their current realm of consciousness is infinitely deep and further worth exploring, they can't see through performative drivel and think fancy new ways to describe what they already know will solve their current condition, they refuse to admit that its actually the easier path in life, they are deluded because society keeps reinforcing that wallowing in depression is painful and difficult. They repress the pang that they know deep down, that escaping their depression is the more painful path.
>>24834337literally who
>>24834354>>24840300Beckett is goodWtf are you talking about>>24840934Back to r*ddit
>>24841007Being good and being funny are two different things
>>24834337I have read all of them yet I am still alive. I read them in my most darkest years. It is crazy that I survived those years. Now I watch YouTube shorts all day and have stopped reading literature 1 years ago. Sometimes I feel like I should have died at the peak of my intensity, it would have been romantic and vital. Now I am a squeezed husk, a leaf in the wind.
>>24841607You are already dead.
>>24841614Because I watch YouTube shorts all day?
>>24841633Because they successfully managed to make you romanticize depression to the point that you don't know that you were never actually romantic and vital, you just retroactively wrote that into your narrative. I guess there is some truth in the relativity to the now though.
>>24841675You're right. But back than I had something very real. I even created art projects based on that "darkness" but now I have nothing. Literally no foundation, I just exist. So I don't know if forcing something into your life is good or no. Now I am just waiting for death maybe, before this I craved it and holy shit it was suck a melodramatic experience.
>>24841693>Now I am just waiting for deathWhat's the difference between that and being dead? That's what he meant, you can't even read anymore, sad.
>>24841723I would agree with him but here's the thing: that's not because of these thinkers because I don't read anymore. When I was reading these thinkers my all senses were on fire, whole creation pulsated with a negative meaning.
>>24841732What does that have to do with anything? All you basically said is that they made you feel and look how you changed after those feelings, if not a literal death, a spiritual one, who cares about those feelings. Deny the causation all you want, I don't care, fucking your mom.
>>24841758>Deny the causation all you want,I don't see any problem with the argument that things can pop out from nothing.
>>24841773You didn't pop out of nothing, you just forgot you're a thing.
>>24841778>>You didn't pop out of nothing,Why I should believe that? "Reality" could have been created in the last second for all that I "know"
