Why is god like this
>>24836004I dunno. Why do you have to ask such retarded questions?
>>24836010t. bald
>>24836022Enjoy being eaten by bears, faggot.
>>24836004give shit, get shit
>>24836004Atheists act like this somehow invalidates God, but they don't have a problem with God destroying Sodom and Gommorah. They don't have a problem with God sending the Flood. They don't have a problem with God sending plagues upon Egypt. They don't have a problem with God sending Jonah to tell the people of Jehosaphat(?) that God will smite them. But this is the hill atheists are going to die one about the Old Testament God? Do atheists not even understand that the covenant between God and man changed with Jesus? The Old Testament God is a spiteful God who is angry that his creation is rebellious and won't respect the covenant established between Him and the Jewish people. The New Testament God is a redeemer, who has realized humans are rebellious and the only way to save them is through Jesus. Are atheists really this willfully ignorant?
>>24836004clearly those kids shouldn't have done that
>>24836004Because the God of the Old Testament isn't the True God, but rather a spiteful lower entity. Christ came from the True God. The Hebrew Apostles didn't understand the distinction, and the Church Fathers were too low IQ to grasp it either.
Isnt there some folklore that demons begin their treck out of hell to earth at "bald mountain"What is it with baldness and evil?
>>24836124Hair repels the influence of the Devil. If you have a bald spot, the Devil can easily get inside your head.
There should be a new christian bible that only contains a few foundational books like genesis and then the four gospels. Jesus is literally the only good part of that religion.
>>24836109you're getting upset at someone who lives exclusively inside your head
>>24836134The first formalized canon of the Christian Bible completely omitted the entire Old Testament and only featured the Gospel of Luke and Paul's Epistles.
>>24836138No I'm not. In the real world atheists always try to get "gotcha" moments by grilling Christians about laws and teachings from the Old Testament. Christians don't live by that covenant anymore. Our pact is with Jesus. But I see this argument coming from atheists all the time. "Hurr the Bible says you should stone people!" "Hurr the Bible says you can beat your wife!" No. That is Jewish law. If that pisses you off, go get mad at Jews. Their covenant hasn't changed in 6,000 years.
>>24836111This. The Old Testament god is Yaldaboath. Anyone with half a brain who has actually read the bible understands this. There is no, and I mean no, reconciling the god of the old testament with the god of Jesus Christ. Jews worship a demon, but what else is new? Anyone I've seen that disagrees with me goes through the most fucking insane mental gymnastics.
>>24836148why do have it in your bible then? obviously you cant enact them in our morally superior world now are you awaiting a time when you can do that. newsflash it aint coming chief, the more people get educated the more your bed time stories die.
>>24836154>Why do you have that in your Bible then?>this is coming from the same person who cries "HISTORY IS IMPORTANT! WE CAN'T FORGET HISTORY! IF WE FORGET OUR HISTORY WE WILL REGRESS!"Wait, so history is important, except for when it comes to Christianity? Can you enlighten me on this position? Or is your position that history isn't important and we should forget history? I'm just confused as to what you are advocating for here. You do realize the Old Testament is included in The Bible is because it is part of Christian history! Should the United States forget about the period where slavery was legal? This is what you're advocating for. You're saying that if we continue to teach about slavery in the U.S. it's because " you awaiting a time when you can do that. newsflash it aint coming chief, the more people get educated the more your bed time stories die." Surely you realize this position is absurd?
>>24836138me and my oneitis
>>24836148>immediately shifts to a completely different pointwhat i was saying is that atheists not having a problem with god's other OT atrocity is a made-up fantasy, and that the bears episode is obscure compared to god killing the entire world with a floodnow you're talking about jewish laws being invalid, which is farcical as well, given that no denomination can agree on which parts of mosaic law still apply and will in any case continue to cherrypick whichever OT verses make them feel good (you would understand this if you went to church)
>>24836153>>24836154It's in the Bible because God incarnated within the Jews for mytho-historical reasons (backwater of the great European Empire at the time, crossroads of trade and commerce and travel, etc, and the Jews had a long history of prophets and future-seers) and Christ quoted from their own prophecies but refuted every step of the way via his miracles and ministries the Judaic Law. The Apostles, being Jews who had grown up infused with this Law, didn't understand that Christ had not come from "their" God but rather the True God. They misinterpreted the message. The Church Fathers of the Early Church era were too low IQ and deluded, wrapped up in Roman rhetoric tactics of easy-wins and dunking on your enemy like an Internet Bloodsports debater, to see the truth as well.Some (the Apostle Paul, Valentinus, Marcion, etc) tried to get the truth out, but they were limited in their understanding and hemmed every step of the way by dumb Judaizers and their descendants: the "orthodox" Christians (who are now the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and majority Protestants.)
>>24836109>but they don't have a problem with ... [list of things they definitely do have a problem with]Do you know what a strawman is?Hint: it's not a character in the Wizard of Oz.
Here is some of the commentary on this verse.For the athiest, nothing can be worse than death and so they, axiomatically assuming the truth of their position, see this as a great affront. But in fact God is correcting the iniquity of the wrongdoers and also stopping them from continuing to grow in iniquity and so mercifully saving them from their sins.
>>24836182This is retarded cope and exactly what Christ incarnated to stop. That "God" isn't the True God. Yahweh is a malevolent spirit tiers lower than the True God.
>>24836182>god orders jews to kill innocent children>uhhmm this is actually good chud, they deserved it and/or went to heaven anyways, you don't get it
>>24836109>Yeah man God just realised one day his approach wasn't working and decided that the only way forward was for him to have himself murdered as a sacrifice to himself so he be nicer to people now but also not really because eternal damnation is still in store for at least 50% of people
>>24836176This sums it up pretty well. Fair play my man
>>24836163yes its part of your heritage, so why are you getting your pussy wet when people point out to your disgusting history kek. surely you realize there are more african christians by now than the educated people outside?>>24836177lmao i know right, why is thing mong doing a word salad of disingenuous arguing when we all have a problem with all those things.>>24836182nobody is scared of death here except the religious tards, they need heaven to feel special and not scared to die ahaha
>>24836188According to your heresy isn't death a release from the evil material world though?
>>24836192Yahweh didn't send Christ. Christ incarnated, the True God pouring Himself into the cup of Man, to liberate us, conquer the power of Death, and demonstrate to us that no sacrifices were necessary to commune with God (nor adherence to arcane laws.) His Incarnation was, specifically, to dispense with the old and tired formula which no longer worked and had become corrupted by malevolent spirits like Yahweh and the Roman Gods. He demonstrated that we have God on speed dial, all the time.The subtext/implications of the ritual sacrifice of the Cross are lost on modern man where this sort of thing doesn't happen anymore. But for Ancients? That's how they "talked" to God. For the Jews, Christ dispels all of their Laws via miracles (showing that their autistic fixation was actually limiting their ability to truly be in unison with God's will.)It's unfortunate few of the Apostles understood the significance of the Logos Made Flesh.
>>24836109If God is so great and perfect why did he suddenly change his mind and entire personality halfway through the Roman empire for no apparent reason? Is he a schizophrenic?
>>24836111Nice head canon
>>24836197The later Gnostics of the Sethian cult and other life-denying movements were inspired by Jewish esotericism that pre-dated Christianity and were thus intertwined with an inherent Jewish view of the Material World. The Material World isn't "evil." It simply IS. Christ's Incarnation can be fully understood when one considers the Hellenic Philosophy of which He brought to full understanding and fulfillment (see: John referring to Christ as the Logos)If anything the "orthodox" Christian view integrated this view of the Material World with Augustinian theology that they have to post on 4chan and cope about "heresies" to deflect from this.
>>24836196>NOOO YOU CANT LIVE BY THE NEW TESTAMENT AS A CHRISTIAN>YOU MUST LIVE BY THE OLD TESTAMENT BECAUSE I SAID SO
>>24836202You're coping. How does your "True God" change his mind? He does this WITHIN the Old Testament multiple times alone, even putting aside the fact that Christ overturns his irrevocable law code that he only bothered to impose on one people.
>>24836163>You do realize the Old Testament is included in The Bible is because it is part of Christian history!By keeping it in you are giving it validity. You are saying "we believe this." if you don't believe it, it should be removed. And placed in a christian history book if it is so important to you.>this is coming from the same personyou are generating imaginary people again
>>24836111yes this is him inquisitor
>>24836223>yes this is him inquisitorGet behind me, Satan.
>>24836109> but they don't have a problem with God destroying Sodom and Gommorah. They don't have a problem with God sending the Flood. You must be the dumbest christnigger on this board. The bear one is popular only because it’s so fucking absurd there’s not even an attempt at a theological defense by the literalist cretins. Of course most of them never read the Bible either so only encounter these problems because someone else brings it up.
>>24836206kek get replaced by african christians silly clown. not taking your shrinking influence of your pedo churches and bigoted dogma well i see ahaha
>>24836109You really triggered the neckbeards with this post. Good job my brother in Christ.
>>24836238I couldn’t care one way or the other. I find the idea that a bald man could get God to punish his bullies to be fucking hilarious.
>>24836238he bore false witness
>>24836233Look dude, it was a time of chaos and weak government for the Israelites, so lions and bears wandered the countryside. When a random person involved in the history died to them people found some past impiety and assumed that was the cause, which it very well could have been. If Dave got mauled by a Lion and you know Dave swore yesterday you, as a bronze age Israelite, would rightly assume he was punished for swearing.Also to my understanding it was young men, not children.Stuff like this is only a problem for folk-sola-scriptura literalists.
>>24836255It's now false witness to say the New Testament did away with the covenant from the Old Testament? Wow, thanks for enlightening me on how Christianity works, Mr. Atheist!
christ isn't sending his best
lol bald people
>>24836237>bigoted dogmahomosexual detected.
>>24836412What are you going to do about it? Lapidate me? I thought Christ welcomes all?
>>24836176excellent post
>>24836436lol I knew it. nobody cares about Christianity being "bigoted" except fags and blacks seething about slavery. anyways, you can live your life, I have no intention to change your mind, if it can even be changed. I just wanted to show that the loudest critics of Christianity on this board have deeply personal hangups and need to get over themselves because nobody's stopping them (you) from your 'lifestyle' except your own discomfort of being judged by others (which you have no control over anyways).
>>24836256>>24836299>>24836454You still don't get it that Yahweh did not send Christ, but rather the True God. You might not look towards the Old Testament but the tradition of "orthodoxy" (regardless if you're Catholic, EO, or Protestant) is intertwined with the implicit understanding that Yahweh is the True God. He is not. Christ came to show us the path to the True God.
>>24836004blessed are the meek (bald, middle aged, attracted to children)
>>24836198What are some texts you would recommend reading? Do you give the green light to all four gospels? What other texts that are presumably absent from the New Testament do you see as truthful?
>>24836457I'm not trying to be critical but I would like to know how you reconcile things such as Moses and Elijah, definite prophets of Yahweh, appearing at the Transfiguration and how Jesus' name literally means Yahweh Saves
>>24836473I'd recommend reading the Gospels and the Letters of Paul with a critical and open mind. The only Gospel I'm not really 100% on is Matthew, because it was obviously written for the Torah-observant Judaizers led by Peter and James. The thing you have to understand, though, is that these aren't infallible accounts. They are, more or less, compilations of eyewitness accounts of a particularly important mytho-historical event (maybe THE most important one.) I'm partial to the Gospels of Thomas and Mary, but I'm skeptical of the more obvious pseudepigraphical Gnostic texts from later in the 2nd century. They were, in my view, wrong and myopic in their desire to reject the material world and see Christ as a purely spiritual entity. It undermines the understanding of the Crucifixion and Resurrection.I would recommend you read into the writings of Plotinus and Porphyry to understand the True God that Christ points us towards.You have to keep an open mind here and realize that Christ's Incarnation wasn't "just" the fulfillment of the predictions of Hebrew future-seers, but also and (maybe more importantly, for us anyway) the entire breadth of Graeco-Roman philosophy and religion.
>>24836478>The TransfigurationEither never happened or did not happen the way they remembered it. John's Gospel does not feature this, even though John (the eyewitness to whom the Gospel was dictated from) was there and witnessed it. You can't square that circle.>Jesus' name literally means Yahweh SavesYeshua means 'He saves.' Not Yahweh Saves. He, as in, "this individual.' This is supported Biblically by the Angel Gabriel who tells Joseph that Jesus will save Man.
>>24836499>Either never happened or did not happen the way they remembered itHow can it be then that it is featured in all three synoptics?
>>24836457Okay Marcionist
>>24836519Then why isn't it in the one Gospel which explicitly claims to be sourced from the ONE guy that would've been there? Either it did not happen, or it happened but not in the way that the people to whom the Gospel writers got their narrative from understood it.>>24836523Okay, and? The "orthodoxy" got their canon from Marcion. You only use Paul's epistles because he put them in the canon.
>>248360042 Kings 2:23-25> Elisha went from that city to Bethel. He was walking up the hill to the city, and some boys were coming down out of the city. They began making fun of him. They said, “Go away, you bald-headed man! Go away, you bald-headed man!”> Elisha looked back and saw them. He asked the Lord to cause bad things to happen to them. Then two bears came out of the forest and attacked the boys. There were 42 boys ripped apart by the bears.
>>24836199He has three personas
>>24836457Who created the Heavens and the Earth, the Sun and Moon, plants and animals, and mankind in Genesis? The Old Testament says it is YHWH. How do you square this with your cope? It sounds like you're just sayin "bad things in OT are not True God but good things in OT are True God" which is just pure cope to ignore parts of the OT.
>>24836654Yahweh didn't. It was created by the True God. Yahweh is a lower spirit which grew to prominence via the henotheism of the Israelites during the Bronze Age. The prophecies of the future-seers of the Jewish people are valid, as they understood (vaguely, through their tradition as a coloring lens) the coming of the Christ, but the overall Tradition is too mired within the negative influence of Yahweh to be of any use whatsoever.You're seeing the OT and NT as being some unified document. They're not. At best the OT is the religious understanding of Israelites held captive by an evil spirit.
>>24836666>YahwehThey say he is the Demiurge
>>24836676The Sethians and other later 2nd and 3rd century Gnostics were wrong. Evil cannot create anything. It can only warp, manipulate, and destroy. This is understood by all philosophies except their own schizophrenic framework which is even more convoluted than the "orthodox."
>>24836454kek you certainly got us man. inshallah your children will be molested by a priest
>>24836131It's the other way around, the devil can hide and fester inside a full head of hair. A gloriously shining dome will repel him with the sharp glare of God.
>>24836709Hmmm, this must be why monks were tonsured.
>>24836666>At best the OT is the religious understanding of Israelites held captive by an evil spirit.So get rid of it. Strange how little this has even been considered in the history of your religion if we‘re to believe your take before the centuries of christoids who treat it as the 80% of biblical canon it seems to be.
>>24836739>So get rid of it.For my own personal practice, I have.>believe your take before the centuries of christoids who treat it as the 80% of biblical canon it seems to be.For those who have ears, let them hear. It's not my fault that for generations Christian theologians were so myopic to lose sight of what was right in front of them. The Apostles didn't comprehend the Incarnation and they were right there. If you read the New Testament, what I am saying is proven true. The "centuries of Christoids" were deluded and too caught up in Judaizing mind games and locked in to a purity spiral. There were many Christians who professed what I am saying today, but they were silenced, sidelined, and sometimes even killed for it.
>>24836739Get rid of teaching about slavery in US history then.
>>24836750>For those who have ears, let them hearAll gnostics and Marcionists will quote this verse until the day of wrath because they use it as a way to say everyone who agrees with their incoherent arguments has magic ears and everyone else does not. It’s an ego-shield that is not an argument.
>>24836940You, like all the "orthodox" "Church Fathers" to whom you'll look to for exegesis, have no argument. I've presented my argument this whole thread. Enough Early Christians believed as I do that Irenaeus (after his whole community, except him somehow [don't question that part!], got fed to lions no less) wrote a massive treatise against Marcion and others. Some of them were wrong, and on the wrong track, but the Church Fathers were myopic and were unto themselves Judaizers because they claimed succession from Peter, who had never recanted of his Judaizing tendencies and led the Church astray on that.
>>24836109based off of a secondary redaction around 800, based off a primary redaction probably around 1000. They’re local folk myths from a time before YHWH lost his wife (his sister btw) and before Jerusalem cult worship lost divine incest, divine women and unic temple prostitutes.We can reconstruct YHWH worship circa 1500:YHWH is a male cow god who loves blood and first born human male children sacrifices. YHWH is married to his Divine Sister Asherah. YHWH loves BBQs, Blood BBQs, human sacrifice, traps (see the unics). YHWH *tolerates* sheep and goat BBQ, and barely tolerates chicken BBQ. YOU DON’T MAKE FRIENDS WITH SALAD. In fact, if you bring salad, sacrifice your first born brother to me. Priests don’t exist at these BBQs yet: priests haven’t captured the divine right to sacrifice, the male head of household sacrifices to YHWH ontop of the hill, next to Asherah’s tree, at the big BBQ before he fucks the traps.So you turn up with your cows at your new city, and sure she’s your wife…but she’s your wife because she’s your sister. Because you are the divine king head of household and you act as YHWH during the sacrifice so you’re ritually married to your sister as a religious necessity.
>>24836004>>24836182The Hebrew phrase "neʿarim qĕṭannim" refers to young adult men who were usually old enough to work and hold the title of military attendant or adult servant, not "children". This is literally an organized mob of 42 men who were well aware of their actions mocking the prophet with hatred towards his religious views and political hostility.
>>24836176This is cool and all except for the fact that God’s plan to intervene in history is a total failure and it all got hijacked by jews and now the only people in the know are like the 12 people who know what marcionism is. This is the cosmic divine plan?
Believe in JesusHe is with us
>>24837254I like this genre of internet posting where you throw low-effort Jesus is king shit onto a comment section or wherever and feel good that you did your part in fishing for men. Actually you probably just annoyed people away from your faith, and God will punish you for posting bad.
>>24837245The Axial Age ended. The Iron Age, with all its ritualisms and retarded morality, has been wiped away. People, by and large, do not sacrifice goats or oxen to speak to God. They do, as Christ taught, go into their rooms and pray to God Himself. You're stuck in this mindset of the "orthodox" where unless you buy into their specific brand of mind virus (changing every day: see the unending purity spirals of their strain since the 300s) you're not doing God's plan. God gave us the tools to approach him DIRECTLY and wiped away the rituals. He cut off the oracles. He silenced the false gods. Because we didn't need them anymore, and probably never did. The entire basis of Western morality has been around the teachings of Christ for nearly 2000 years now. Does anyone who isn't a shut-in loser truly believe in Pagan morality? Even the psychopaths among us who do have to cloak their beliefs because it's so abhorrent to us now. Christ won, and showed us the path to the Truth. But God gave us free will to do whatever we please with it.
>>24837307Hmm today I will look outside and see how christianity as the implicit foundation of our moral conventions is working out
>>24837319>Does anyone who isn't a shut-in loser truly believe in Pagan morality? I already spoke to you here, but just because people abuse the patience and charity doesn't mean that the principle of patience, humility, and charity is wrong.
>>24837319>Looks outside>People are rejecting what the church teaches and now we have widespread fatherlessness, baby-killing, and suicide from hedonism and nihilismKek
The OT is a collation of folk wisdom from Maccabees period. Joshua through Esther are books of ideology created by zealots for the Jerusalem only temple only Priest and Levite only cult. You’ll notice that II Kings and II Chronicles confesses that the Torah was only discovered late in the first temple period “mysteriously discovered.” Kings and Chronicles is full of kings worshipping gods other than YHWH, it is full of the Temple being used for other BBQs and full of prostitutes and traps. It is full of YHWH Patriarch Priest lovers holding BBQs at their local mountain not jerusalem.Most of Joshua – Esther is ideological posturing to make second temple Judaism make sense. They’re not “real” histories, but are rather statements about how men should act.The “Torah” as claimed by 2nd temple priests to have been discovered in the first temple is 5 books, with 4 books being Moses propaganda and compiled from 4 different overlapping sources (which is why you get stories twice, and why you get Kings *and* Chronicles). So you get the first sister fuck story from the E source, then you get the second sister fuck story which is the same sister fuck story from the P source.Genesis is even older, and the result of prior compilations, reordered, etc. Half of Genesis isn’t even about the Israelites as such, but their mates. It is entirely mythical and involves mythic paternal figures originating the world by breeding. Weirdly though the chief breeding fight is between two women and their spare wombs: there is a hidden female aspect of Israelite culture that has been obliterated by 2nd temple priests. Probably to do with Asherah.Everyone knows this. But because they’re so fucking fascinatingly broken as a social system everyone is really interested in the Patriarchal Jerusalem NO TRAPS cult. Or possibly the Samaritan cult who have their own high place and still do more traditional BBQs (not with the traps though).
>>24837345This is all true, and why the "God of the Old Testament" is clearly not the True God. The assemblage of sources, backed up by exegesis of other Near East mythos and archeological finds in the Levant, proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that the God that they describe is their War God who was elevated to prominence during or shortly after their Babylonian Captivity. Their "philosophy" is jury-rigged Zoroastrian concepts into a shoddy frame.People don't want to admit this because it breaks the spell of the orthodox (RC, EO, Prot) continuum which has staked its legitimacy on upholding the continuity as if the OT God is the same as the NT. They simply don't understand, and probably never will.
>>24837338Yes, christianity has long since lost any pretense of a compelling social institution and people are adrift where its weakness has manifested as a long arc of societal occupation, tolerance of decay, and ultimate prolapse.
>>24837354This is my first post ITT, but what draws you to Christ? Much of Jesus' teachings, both the moral and the apocalyptic, are rooted in the prophets of the OT, enough that his gospel seems to lose much of its basis if you discard the OT. If you base your religion on Luke and Paul's letters like Marcion did, what are you left with? A crucified apocalyptic teacher with a moral message dependent upon the apocalyptic, and a collection of practical letters from a fervored follower trying to make sense of the fact that his messiah had been killed? Sure, the theology of such a Christianity can be very interesting and beautiful, and the morals of Jesus were perhaps unparalleled at the time, but neither of these seem significant enough to justify a leap of faith. In my view, the OT alone is barbaric (and perhaps fabricated), the NT baseless, and the two taken together unreconcilable.
>>24837421You can probably scroll up and get a feel for what compels me to Christ. It's not just one thing for me. I've studied Antique philosophy and probably would've been considered a "pagan" (not like the Wiccan types, more chuddy like Tom Rowsell/Survive the Jive) before and all of it feels lacking. They're dead. The rituals do not work, the Gods aren't there. All of the philosophy points towards One God, but I do not believe as the Platonists (or modern Deists, for that matter) do that there is some impersonal God. If there is a True God, then He MUST have a personage. What drew me to Christ was all of these questions, and I found my answers within the Crucifixion and Resurrection. As I've said, to me it is a multi-tiered thing. Christ redeems us and the corrupted nature of our souls through this sacrifice, but more than that he conquers death (Christus Victor, if you want a name for this), but also - and this part is always overlooked - abrogates all of the old rituals and laws. He lays it out, as he does throughout the Gospels, that we don't need to follow Bronze Age formulae. We merely need to open ourselves to God, through Christ, and realize that we were always able to talk to Him.The moral message of Christ is revolutionary. It still is revolutionary. It will always be revolutionary until all men realize and follow it. It is about true humility, patience, understanding, and charity. It isn't about "faith in God alone" nor is it about going to Church on Sunday for the Eucharist (what cathodox mean when they say "works" btw) but a unification of our will and God's will. That is what Christ taught.As I've said I can accept that the Hebrew prophets were given sight-seeing. The oracles and sibyls were given this too. But that doesn't mean that the Mosaic Law came from the True God. All of Christ's miracles and signs were about rejecting and abrogating this Law. He heals on the Sabbath. He allows his Apostles to pick the grain on the Sabbath. He heals the uncleansed. The Hebrews had gotten so wrapped up in their law, just as our (assuming you're European-descendant here) ancestors got wrapped up in our rituals, that we had forgotten God.That is the message of Christ. That is what propels me forward. That is what gives my life meaning. I hope I've answered your question, and I appreciate your respect in asking it.
>>24836004LMAO
>>24836004>whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire (Matthew 5 xxii)4tranny """marcionites""" siding with the prophet-haters gonna get a rude awakening
>>24837444Thanks for the reply -- I may have misinterpreted you as believing the OT to be entirely false rather than merely superseded. But I like that there are new understandings of Christianity that aren't entirely "gnostic."The significance placed upon the crucifixion always felt strange to me, as I tend to see atonement as more of an after-the-fact explanation for the crucifixion vs. a preexisting requirement that must be fulfilled. The moral message of Jesus resonates with me much more, and in comparison, a requirement of crucifixion for salvation almost feels vulgar. Quoting Deuteronomy 21:23 helps Paul justify the necessity of the crucifixion, but that doesn't do much for me. This may all be because I approach Jesus and Christianity from more of a historical perspective, though. I do really like what you said about the moral message of Christ.
>>24836004>Why is god like thisWhy is He based? Because he's the Creator of literally everything. What else but BASED could He be?
>old testament/tanakhYeah that checks outJews are just like that
>>24836175I agree with you that the anon is fighting imaginary people but >which is farcical as well, given that no denomination can agree on which parts of mosaic law still apply and will in any case continue to cherrypick whichever OT verses make them feel goodThis is fake and disproven directly by the Bible itself. Romans 7:"Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him.3So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress.But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.4So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the lawthrough the body of Christ,that you might belong to another,to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.5For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the lawwere at work in us,so that we bore fruit for death.6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the lawso that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
>>24837898NTA, but while Paul is clearly opposed to gentiles following the law, many denominations put a huge emphasis on the Ten Commandments. Christianity would look vastly different if we followed Paul's teachings to the letter.
>>24836004lmao look at these two
>>24837874>>24837874I’ve run out of suitable Jesus paintings for now, but I appreciate your reply as well. I never felt like a Gnostic and I don’t agree with their views on Creation, on Christ’s Incarnation (I will admit, absence of a better formula, that the Council of Chalcedon makes the most sense), or just the general feel of it. Creation was an inherently good thing. As for the Old Testament I know that my views are “eccentric” but I think I have laid out my perspective and argument well enough here. If this thread is still active in the morning I will continue to post. To me the Crucifixion and Resurrection are somewhat misunderstood by people today because the nature of how people approach and worship the Divine has been irrevocably altered by Christ and what happened. In those days, especially for our forefathers, the typical way of approaching the Divine was through ritual sacrifice. Christ’s Sacrifice, God unto God, was the “ultimate sacrifice.” It answers the equation. It completes the formula and shatters it for all time. There’s no need to do rituals. I would argue we never did, but got lost along the way. The Incarnation brought an end to the powers of these false gods to dictate to us. It’s why they only have power now when people give them such power consciously, out of their free will. Redemption and the conquest of Death are integral to it too, but the realization of the sacrifice formula aspect really opened my eyes to Christ.
>>24837898right, but then you have matthew 5:18 saying the law continues to be in effect until the eschaton, or acts 15:20 which gives a much more limited ruleset for the convenience of gentilesthere isn't one central teaching on the law, there are multiple, which makes it a point of contention, and we see this play out in how people selectively appeal to the laws of leviticus, exodus, or what have you and craft their own headcanon that way
>>24837954>I’ve run out of suitable Jesus paintings for nowJust AI him lmfao lol loser furry artcuck
>>24837444You did the rituals wrong if they didn't work. People used them for thousands of years and they worked. when Christians described the rituals of Germanic heathens, they never argued that they didn't work. They said that the idol of Wotan was made to move and that the pagans were able to animate and converse with the dead, which corroborates, not contradicts pagan claims. The Christian argument against Heathenry was that the dead and the gods were neither but were actually the devil in disguise and that the devil was answering their prayers. Your criticism is actually very new age and atheistic and contradicts early Christians who actually witnessed Heathen blot.Never met a single pagan who performed blot properly and said it didn't work (at least most of the time - sometimes gods do not answer)
I think atheists can't grasp what kind of being God is to Christians and other monotheists. Why would the most powerful being, who created reality, the stars, and every single living creature, be bound to human moral standards? To an eternal, all powerful, all knowing being, we are lesser than ants. He can do whatever he wants, he is the absolute master of everything that exists.Ironically, when people make these sorts of moral judgements against God they are using the very same Christian moral framework where you have to be meek, humble and kind to everyone, no matter your post or status in life.
>>24837933Still laughing until the end
>>24836109You really upset them
>>24836176>the Apostles and the Early church fathers misinterpreted Jesus about the True God(tm)weren't they the only 'interpreters'? there is no gospel according to jesus. also why all the need for backtracking and the 'refutations' being very convenient?
>>24836176>>24839074In fact, let me add that what you're suggesting (which seems to be out your ass) is one of two things. That the Judeans planted this Jesus figure in order to propagate a religion of submission in order to gain power for themselves OR God himself planted this fellow down to accelerate the technological singularity by permeating the biggest group-share in human history (a viral vector) via the fateful drive of God as Capital. I want to believe the moral/ethical dramas that play in between (i want to be a good boy too) but you just have to show off and try and fill every historical gap to prove your point which makes your 'faith' suspect
You simply just can't understand Gods will. He was here before any of us
>>24836111I'm very willing to make Gnosticism the board religion.
>>2483610942 little boys being killed by God via bears is a tragedy. Almost all of humanity being killed by God via a worldwide flood is just a statistic. That's the human way. Maybe God should've given us a better number sense.
>>24838599Well that's just my experience. I've seen these things done and it's just LARP. I do believe that there are people who perform these rites and have something happen, but I don't think anything good comes out of it. I've been party to and witness of these groups and the fruit of them is nothing good.>>24839074>>24839123I'm suggesting that the Gospels, which are not infallible but are rather four individual accounts that only one of which claims to be from an eyewitness, are valuable to understand the message and the general Incarnation. The Apostles and the early Church Fathers were inherently tied towards Judaism because of cultural inertia (the Apostles grew up within that tradition, lived in it, infused with it, etc) and the Church Fathers were discipled by some of them. Their understanding was limited. You can tell this because, for instance, Paul was required by Christ to force Peter to stop being a Judaizer and as far as the Epistles are concerned it doesn't appear as though he ever really stopped. I'm not suggesting that Jesus was a mythic figure who did not exist, nor that the Incarnation was purely about some kind of techno leap. Far from that.God took Incarnation to propel us towards unifying our Will with His own. To live as we were supposed to. To wipe away all of the old and tired formulae which we had grown accustomed to, which had shackled us away from the True God and true understanding and true faith.
>>24838866Then you should have no problem with Satanism or Shaivism either
>>24836176Matthew 5:18For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.Mark 7:24-30Jesus refuses to acknolege a goy untouchable woman. His disciples plead with him until he gives in. Your Jewish God loves the Old Testament. He went to the yishuv and became the equivalent of a modern day Rabbi. Your God is a Rabbi...Islam is the non jew worshiping religion you were looking for
>>24839423>all be fulfilledWhich happened with the Crucifixion and Resurrection.
>>24839428i'm gonna have to disagree with thatit's clear that the matthew verse considers heaven and earth passing away to be the event that brings fulfillment, and it is also very clear that this hasn't happened yet
