Does capitalism suck?
Yes, one of the four great evils of history along with America, Christianity, and white men.
>>24836241>Capitalism is destructive to culture, it turns everything into slop.Yes, true. What is the alternative? Under socialism you get the same sort of thing (see labubus).
>>24836241>negligible meme author who killed himselfYou should too.
>>24836241Not really. People who say usually don't have jobs. Neither did its founder. For a philosophy that spoke so negatively of private charity its founder really seemed to depend on it quite a bit. I figure that if people want to mock Ayn Rand for being on social security, I guess fair is fair.
>>24836241Yes, it sucks the most out of any economic system except from all the others.
>>24836327>China>Socialist
>>24836241stop using buzzwords you don't understand
>>24836249>AmericaWell, you got one right.
>>24836327>Under socialism you get the same sort of thingRight...>labubus???>Hong Kong>socialistChoose one, retard.
>>24836522Okay then, Genshin Impact is the same sort of dreck and it’s produced in Shanghai. My point is that socialist countries produce the same stuff as capitalist ones when it comes to culture.
>>24836241Yes, and socialism sucks just as much. Mankind is doomed.
>>24836241It’s like this guy had never once opened a pre-19th century history book. The vast majority of human history we were beating each other with clubs and slaving and raping other tribes but he’s worried about a tv commercial and no the hordes of blacks and browns flooding into his country. KWAB
>>24836241Not understanding and distinguishing crony capitalism is a sign of economic illiteracy. >>24836405Ayn Rand isn't a "founder" of capitalism. There were people who argued for it before she did, people who weren't on welfare.
>>24836241Does crapitalism suck? Yes, it sucks. That's what the book is about and it's objectively correct.
>>24836241It has its positives and negatives.>>24836522>Right...https://youtu.be/LKfL1V5yRQo
>>24836522>???
>>24836522China only recently modernized, and their youth unemployment is at like ~fifteen percent. Why do people view them as any different from western economies when they're clearly caught in the middle income trap?
>>24837282It got you to respond though. Anyways modern capitalism as we know it is a product of Adam Smith. Regardless, don't speak of oppressed "proletariat" when you don't even have a job. Simple as.
>>24836512Its amazing they haven't rangebanned China here
>>24837404There are some cultish Marxist-Leninists who have taken to viewing China as like Wakanda. It's the result of some terrible boredom. I don't think it's going to collapse in two weeks and it's stable enough, but it's pretty obvious that there has been a clear deterioration in the Chinese economy over the past two years. This has had a massive impact on state-driven investment and spending which has spared the favored high-tech industries but is felt very strongly everywhere else. Deflation caused by insufficient aggregate demand really sucks.
>>24836241CAPITALISM IS THE BEST
That book is about neoliberalism not capitalism
>>24836241Yes, it does.
>>24836241It is being by the modified "own nussing" system, and that IS a good thing.The problem with capitalism is that while it allows the best freedom to improve society, it severely, SEVERLY punishes retards.The society of credit is the society of the future.In such a society, ones degree of financial autonomy is determined by their ability to demonstrate an ability to handle that autonomy responsibly. This leaves the best unrestrained, and at the same time constrains the degree to which retards can self harm, while still leaving it ultimately in their hands.
>>24836241Capitalism is just the default state of economics. Occasionally certain parties get so greedy that the majority loses faith in it and clamor for socialism and eventually communism but this can be avoided if you punish the people gaming the system. The problem is those people usually are the system at that point.
>>24836241the problem is that it's a system that tells you greed is good, compassion is weakness, everyone who didn't make it was lazy and accumulating wealth is the highest measure of a good citizenthen it breeds corruption on systemic unsustainable level, outsources labor opportunities to their biggest rival, makes a retard loop of nepotism over generation that makes monarchy blush (monarchy at least purges tards by rivals(family that isn't and political)) and funds itself by ripping off of the income of the few ones still workingit's unsustainable and silly system in which the inherent flaws are painted as few bad apples and that claims that the reactionary movement to it that is just a soft system reset is its only alternativemonarchs are easier to depose and held accountable than faceless people with indirect power, the twice removed nature of the people the system puts in charge of handling power and their near total unaccountability because of it makes cocky tards that believe their own hype to the point that they saw down the tree that feeds them while pointing to the people eating the apple peels for fault
>>24836249I'd widen the net to say Abrahamic religions more broadly
>>24836327Alternative is becoming a more ahistorical species and burning the records once every few centuries to keep things fresh, as Alan Watts suggested
>>24836249>white men are.. le badare you thinking of jews, the anglo-saxons, the french or "elite" in general?
>>24836241Maybe.The ultimate truth that emerges from recorded history is that, much in the same way evolution reliably trends towards the same features, human civilization trends towards feudalism and oligarchy."Capitalism" is merely a new path towards these same things. What people call "late stage capitalism" is in fact clear as day feudalism and oligarchy.The only argument to be made is whether capitalism has bred a more dangerous strain of these than before. If capitalism is indeed the most all encompassing pervasive system that has ever existed then a believable case could be made for that.
>>24838269As objectively foolish as it is, I find myself sympathising with the "we should return to hunter-gatherer" idea more and more. It seems that with agriculture, settlement and the concentration of wealth and administrative power in the hands of a small elite, societies tend inevitably towards feudalism and oligarchy as you said. Not to romanticise the hunter-gatherer lifestyle. I suppose there is no winning either way.
>>24837433What does that have to do with my post, anon?
>>24836548>My point is that socialist countries produce the same stuff as capitalist ones when it comes to cultureYes, your point ultimately comes from the popular midwit mantra "everything is the same and no nuance exists", which is stupid and false.>>24837396>>24837402>>24837404China today is best described as politically communist, economically capitalist, and ideologically socialist. In practice, since the 1970s, it has functioned as a state-capitalist authoritarian regime that maintains socialist rhetoric and institutions.
There's no such thing as "capitalism". Thinking of things in those ways shows arrested intellectual development.
>>24836241No. It has its limits.
>>24838797>There's no such thing as "capitalism". Thinking of things in those ways shows arrested intellectual development.pls set my wayward mind on the right path. what do you mean by this? (is it just idle trolling?) obviously in response to any attempt to discuss the world you could say, 'well the world is really all just an accumulation of atoms and forces and mental states, nothing more abstract exists.' but you wouldn't get very far running a contemporary firm like that, or even making a cup of coffee. society itself wouldn't function if people couldn't depend on deep, self-stabilising dynamics beneath it.why would a manufacturer produce goods if they couldn't trust a capitalistic market to buy them at a reliable price? how do governments budget if not by accounting for taxation of the future economic activity that will result from capitalist profit-maximisation? what keeps people from dropping out of school, or quitting their jobs, if not the inevitability of the misery that will fall on their heads? it seems to me that all these activities presuppose the existence of large-scale and inescapable abstract dynamics, and 'capitalism' is the name for those dynamics.
>>24837393Mark Fisher was an insane retard, so no.>>24838339to get you to respond. and it looks like it worked.
>>24838269> much in the same way evolution reliably trends towards the same featuresUm no
>>24836249fpbp
It's all there in Burroughs but people can't see past the peepee and fart jokes. Degrade the consumer/citizen, those that control language (ie. Information) control the narrative, abstraction via technology to the point of floating speculation/gamble, etc. Doesn't matter what system or ideology, the squishy body complex or the idiosyncratic sex fantasy. Something alien has a hold on you and is only fortuitously beneficial.
