/ourgirl/ has a new video about the importance of reading aimed at the gym bros and incels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoYRSybAtOM
>>24837718I'm sure this woman has important and valuable insights into literature, like all women.
>>24837718Its just not going to work unfortunately on me. I'm 43. I'm already tired of several womens' shit.
>>24837718The case for dem's good tiddies, despite her being a YouTube shithead dressed as a medieval wench3/10 would still doink
>>24837718Her tattoos are terrible and make my dick hard
>>24837718What a fucking whore
>>24837718>covered in shitty tats>shitty fake hair color>shitty clown makeup caked on face>shitty depressingly small and saggy tits>shitty fashion sense>veganShe's just as obnoxious as the incels she's complaining about.
>>24837894Hairy forearms and armpits though.
>>24837718>/ourgirl/No. That's a Jew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8J9K8njT0oShe's got a really good and insightful discussion in the comments about the male book loneliness epidemic too.
>>24837905the "male loneliness epidemic" is an invention by women, I've never once seen a man bring it up
>>24837912Well, I'm lonely, and there are no books for me, and no book related jobs for me, so...
reading and Christianity did pull me out of my decade long /pol/ phase
>>24838007Mine was when I got a gf and she laughed condescendingly at pretty much every idea I ever expressed to her.
>>24837718She needs a better mike. It's awful.
>>24837905Where's a nafri when humanity needs one
>>24838112Imagine entertaining women's opinions. Fucking cuck.
>>24837718>tattoosNot my girl.
>>24837718>tattoosopinion disregarded
>>24838112>having a gf who doesn't dump you for being a chud but just verbally humiliates youH-hot
Unironically looks like a tranny. No thanks. I'll stick to the one and only /ourgirl/, Dakota.
>>24837718I have read a lot of literature and it only made me more of the kind of person she would detest on an instinctual level.
>>24838285Dakota has thick thighs, but is her poetry actually any good?
>>24838289Of course it's not.
>>24837894>>veganWell, at least she got something right. Purely by accident, I'm sure.
>>24837894>refusing to pay for animals to be tortured and murdered because they taste good is just as bad as calling all women whores and shooting up schools
>>24837718I'm not sure what /YOURgirl/ has besides skanky tattoos, but /MYgirl/ and I are deeply in love and read to each other in bedWe need to wind down after our nightly 3-hour love making
>>24838362Animals are soulless automata and cannot experience suffering. God gave all animals to man as food.
>>24837718Who is this person and why is she /ourgirl/?
>>24838376So at some point a soulless automaton hominid suddenly gave birth to a fully-ensouled one? Did Neanderthals have souls? What about half-sapiens half-neanderthal mixes?
>>24838385Neanderthals were just men with rickets who died in the Flood.
>>24838285chubby and annoying.ugly australian accent.just can’t do it
>>24838376you are the soulless automata and deserve to be beaten to death and eaten.
>>24838395So at some point a soulless automaton hominid suddenly gave birth to a fully-ensouled one? Or was there a period where hominids had part of a soul? Is there a gene that codes for it?
>>24838399"If they hate you, know that they hated me first". I'll pray for you.
>>24838401not to defend bucktooth jew-god worship anon but i don’t think anyone who is christian believes in any of the phenomena your talking about and the existence of neanderthals is not something christian scientists generally subscribe to. not a great argument when the scripture they believe as truth fundamentally disagrees with the basis of your question.
>>24838408>not to defend bucktooth jew-god worship anon but i don’t think anyone who is christian believes in any of the phenomena your talking aboutThe overwhelming body of evidence points to evolution, to deny it is to call God a liar, i.e. blasphemy.>and the existence of neanderthals is not something christian scientists generally subscribe toHow can you "not subscribe to" the existence of neanderthals? We have fossils and DNA.>not a great argument when the scripture they believe as truth fundamentally disagrees with the basis of your question.A poetic account of the creation of the world, written by human beings who were inspired by the holy spirit but not themselves omniscient, is not a higher authority on points of natural history than the evidence of the natural world itself. Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks.
>>24838403yes please quote the bible at me and don’t engage with what i wrote. you are not a very smart ape. the point retard-chan was to say if you treat other creatures like this what’s to stop someone else from treat you like this. if you can look a suffering dying animal in the eyes and tell me it doesn’t have a soul why shouldn’t i say the same of you?
>>24838414> if you treat other creatures like this what’s to stop someone else from treat you like this.GOD gave animals to people as food. Philosophy has shown that animals don't have souls or consciousness (see Descartes). Man is made in GOD's image.Your only argument is appealing to your own feelings, while my authority is the Word of the Living God and the words of eminent thinkers in the Western tradition.
>>24838007So we can be friends again?t.blackanon
>>24838418>Philosophy has shown that animals don't have souls or consciousness (see Descartes).How?
>>24838422How about you do your own research by reading parts of this Wikipedia article (not the ones with the criticisms)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_machine
>>24838418philophy hasn’t shown shit and your again and again proving your a dim witted knuckle dragging fool by continuing to quote and reference other things (the bible, descartes) because you can’t think up an argument yourself. you can not be counted as a human being if the suffering of living things means nothing to you. i made me made in the image of god but you were made in the image of bonobos and therefore have no soul.
>>24838432>proving your a dim witted knuckle dragging fool by continuing to quote and reference other things (the bible, descartes) because you can’t think up an argument yourself.Sir, this is the /lit/ board.
>>24838428I'm asking why you, specifically, believe that non-human animals aren't conscious, and at what point and in what manner you believe humans began being conscious.
>>24838428again cannot use his micro brain to type out anything of meaning himself. must quote. must link. must reference.
>>24838435he believes god blew the breath of life into our nostrils and we gained souls. god didn’t do this to anything but man in the bible. not agreeing with him but if you want to argue with these people about it you should read genesis.
>>24838440To take Genesis literally would be to call God a liar for making the world to look exactly as though it's 4.5 billion years old even though it's only 6,000.
>>24838444huh ? what does this have to with my explanation of the christian understanding of human consciousness relative to animals?
>>24838447My point is that even if you think Genesis is divinely inspired, evolution is still a fact.
>>24838418Many ancients and even his contemporaries disagree with the concept of animals being soulless automata. Sure we can argue about their functional relationship with us humans, but that is an entirely different question with different outcomes.
>>24838453yes very very true.some christian anons might find this interesting, or maybe not but i definitely did.
>>248384442006 youtube atheism is so cringe, please stop.
>>24837718Let me guess, she's gonna say something along the lines of :>Reading increases your capacity for empathy and increases your emotional intelligencewhich is girl-speak for:>Reading increases your empathy for ME and your ability to care about MY problems.
>>24838469Not an argument.
>>24838472Yeah I'm not arguing with you, just asking you to grow out of that phase
>>24838473You can't give an actual reason why I'm wrong so you're trying to shut me up by associating me with low-status people, that's bad epistemology.
>>24838469post 2020 chida deciding to be christian because it’s on trend and atheism is too reddit for them are the most braindead follower faggots. atheism being out of style at the moment doesn’t mean it can’t be right. please form an opinion that isn’t based on whatever random twitter influencers you worship deciding something isn’t cool anymore.
>>24837905I don't watch these videos anymore. It always ends in victim blaming.
>>24838479I'm still not arguing with you, just asking you to behave less like a 14-year-old kid who discovered thunderf00t and Coctopus Prime and other cringe youtube atheists >>24838482You too, enough with the fedora. It's time to grow up an accept that you're not cool for calling Christians bad names.
>>24838459The argument lies in this. What is the nature of the soul? Is the soul unconditioned (it does not take upon its own attributes) And plato, Aristotle, plotinus and early christian writers did wrestle and posit a 'hierarchy' of sorts on the 'triplicate' part of the Soul. One irrational, instinctive, reactive, clinging and 'lost' so to speak in multiplicity or the 'world', appetitive. One of spirit and the cultivation of virtue and can help or hinder with the guidance of reason, and the latter rational. But this irrationality wasnt a denial but a potential for said being to cultivate rationality and reason to 'guide' the soul towards Itself and Nous. The idea of god creating a 'soullless' husk of corpse will run into deeper problems and contradictions. Descartes seems to mistake function with essence. Im not a huge animal lover by the way but irrationality, instincts themselves were not considered an absence of the Soul, merely potential. For an animal mm.
>poetrylet asking me to read more fictionpls stop
>>24838488That's because men need to get their shit together. You can't expect anyone else to do it for you. You're lonely? Go make some friends. Nobody's writing books for you? Write some yourself. Nobody publishing your books? Publish them yourself.MEN crossed the Atlantic on rickety boats to conquer the New World, now their descendants cry online that girls are mean to them?
>>24838490Sorry tripartite
>>24838492And this mindset would be find if the sentiment was also given to women when they express their problems and issues.>wage gap? pull your bootstraps up girl!Dated example, but you get it.
>>24838498fine*
>>24838498There's a reason for this. Everyone understand on an intuitive, instinctual, biological level that women are inferior to men and thus cannot be expected to care for themselves. This attitude implies a deep-rooted understanding of sex differences that's completely contradictory to the explicitly expressed ideas of equality that are socially acceptable.This kind of cognitive dissonance must cause great distress to those who hold it.
>>24838362Blow your moralizing out your ass, faggot. All animals eat each other for sustenance. That's life. You and I will be eaten too.
>>24838504>biological level that women are inferior to menIt's not true anymore, yes physically, but young women are outperforming young men in academia and in the workplace. The new feminist goal should be to lift men up because they're struggling, and finger wagging and lecturing is not going to work.
>>24838507Animals also rape, steal, cannibalize, etc, they're not a guide to morality.
>>24838509>young women are outperforming young men in academiaCorrect, they happen to respond better to how academia is structured - sit in class for hours, obey, then regurgitate. Majors that demand nothing more than this are filled with women to the brim.>outperforming young men ... in the workplaceWhich famously reverses down the line.Having said that, I hate the idea that one gender is "inferior" to the other. We respond to different things.
Are we still arguing whether animals have 'souls' or culture war bullshit?
>>24838470kek, I was right.
>>24838515>won't someone think of the raping, stealing, cannibalizing, amoral animals!You have no moral compass. You're a limp-wristed, undernourished queer who lives day to day based on feels. Your world view is a shockumentary you saw in high school and that's been your whole personality ever since.
>>24838507the question is not of eating animal meat for me but the systematize mass suffering of animals at the hands of man. what we do to them on factory farms is so much worse in terms of scale and cruelty than a tiger killing a gazelle or a hunter gatherer killing a deer. cows are often bred in captivity, seperated from their family at birth and kept in cages the size of their bodies their entire lives so the meat can be more tender. intentionally bringing creatures into the world and never even giving them the right to walk before murdering them is nothing but evil in my eyes.
>>24838470I do disagree on the idea that reading increases empathy. By what metric? I dont think empathy equates to feeling intensely about things, especially imagined, although i wont deny emotions do have a role.
>>24838528Nta, but i ask you what would you consider 'ethical' killing of animals for the purpose of eating?
>>24837905Shit opinions, nice armpit hair though.
>>24838532I can see how people would develop new mindsets on social issues if they can experience another point of vew through fiction. But that can also happen when watching movies. Even video games. The written word is not some special exception.
>>24838528There is no difference between an animal living its life on a farm before being turned into meat and an animal living its life on a plain before being turned into meat.It lives, it eats, it shits, it fucks, it suffers all the unpleasantness of life to varying qualities and degrees whether it's living in a pen or catching a disease or getting maimed by other wildlife, or whatever, and then it dies.Your conception of good and evil is hilarious and doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
>>24838538I agree. So I wonder what truly is the nature of empathy? I dont think its merely because I feel passion for things, no matter how intensely. Im suspicious of emotive use of language and only appealing to emotions alone, this doesnt mean emotions themselves are problematic.
>>24838547>So I wonder what truly is the nature of empathy?I think in this context it means that you care about the wellbeing of another person or group of people. And are more charitable to them in your speech and actions.
>>24838536hunting is often quite humane and quick. an animal lives its life free and is shot once through the head, never has time to realize its dying. mostly it’s about the life they lead more than the death. factory farmed animals suffer for their whole existence. hunted animals suffer for seconds( given the hunter knows what their doing). though obviously en mass this isn’t realistic as there are too many humans to be supported on naturally occurring fauna. so the solution is to make the factory farms less horrific. encourage pasture raising and strict standards for care the way we do with dog breeders and horse breeders. give the cattle the same right to a good live as a domestic animal. if we as a society could recognize the inherent value in the life of a pig as a cat people would be scandalized by their treatment in 1st world countries. its gross and we’re too advanced of a society to be acting like barbarians.
>>24838492Nah.
>>24838376>>24838507Science and ethics already debunked this nonsense, Mr. Descartes. Sorry, you're either intellectually dishonest or evil. I hope you find love in your heart.
>>24838544nature having its horrors doesn’t mean we should strive to replicate them. in fact we’re not replicating but one upping them. a factory farmed pig lives a very different life than a wild one. please put some research into what is actually done to the animals at these places. they are by and large not roaming the farms before being pulled aside for processing. they are kept in boxes and are often not given even enough room to turn around. it is evil and quite obviously so.
>>24838555Thats a fair assessment. I, as a South African, have never been to America or any western country. I dont claim to know or understand their experience or situation but I do feel for them (and it has little to do with politics). Assuming you are part of the western world, besides ancient greek texts lol, do you think reading contemporary authors and (which ones) will naturally improve empathy or would it just make things muddy? What/ who or why do you empathize with certain perspectives, or is it more generalized?
>>24838573had no idea tolstoy was so based
>>24838523Yes. What else would we do? Talk about books? I don't read books. That's gay.
>>24838563Do you think its mainly political inertia and economic incentives as a major contributor?
>>24838573I'll be enjoying a juicy steak later in your honor.>>24838576You're projecting humanity onto lesser lifeforms. Your moral compass is fucked.
>>24838528>the systematize mass suffering of animals at the hands of man. what we do to them on factory farms is so much worse in terms of scale and cruelty than a tiger killing a gazelle or a hunter gatherer killing a deerIt's also completely needless and contributes to the destruction of the environment and the entire planet, but they'll never admit it. People go through all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify it, or they react in hilariously childish ways. It really is similar to listening to toddlers having tantrums or to drug addicts. The more rational ones are very critical of any kind of disapproving analysis of this barbarism. If only they had the capacity to be this critical of what they believe in.>>24838579Yep.
>>24838507>>24838526You sound very emotional for someone who thinks they're just "accepting nature." People lash out like this when they know, deep down, they're in the wrong.
>>24838610Have you stopped beating your wife?
>>24838585i think it’s 100% economic. it only continues because people don’t really care that much. puppy mills are much cheaper for dog breeders than the way we breed them now but they are routinely shut down and barely exist in the usa anymore because people think it’s horrible how their treated. i agree of course but nobody has the same emotional reaction to cattle that they do dogs so nothing changes for them. the way westerners react to seeing dogs tied up in trucks for food in china is the way we should be reacting to the treatment of cattle in the west.
>>24838603Why should I care about the suffering of animals tho? Like what obligation do I have to them?
>>24838638what obligation do you have towards anything retard? why should you care about anything? things suffering is bad and contributing to it is bad. it’s really that simple. have some humanity.
>>24838619How would your wife feel if you hadn't beat her this morning?
>>248386401. Animals cannot suffer because they have no consciousness2. You should care about human suffering because Man is made in the image of God3. Animals are not made in the image of God, they were given to Man as food and Man was given dominion over them
>>24838640I care about other humans, because I believe in a broader society, that is mutually beneficial for multiple parties what benefit do animals contribute besides short term, shallow companionship. I’m consistent tho, like I don’t care if someone in China eats dog meat. I think modern western dog culture is Talmudic trickery.
>>24838652>they have no consciousnessAnd you know this because?
Why does this shit ass board post a new mid bitch every other day calling her /ourgirl/. You know damn well we don't know who this is.
>>24838715Now you do :)
>>24838526Animals do not have the mental capacity to be moral subjects, but they can still be moral patients because they are conscious and capable of suffering.
Simps allow this horror to continue
>>24838376I disagree intensely, Descartes
>>24838396Sorry to hear you was molested by your dad and are now a homosexual.
>>24838899Sure, and after I've finished asking the cow how it feels about its life in the barn, I'll be sure to ask the goldfish how it feels about its tank, the grass how it feels about being cut, and the microbes on my kitchen counter how they feel about being genocided.
>>24837718>>24837821>>24838175>>24838241>>24838373I think it's great when women get tattoos and piercings, because it makes it so easy to know who to avoid. The non tattooed or pierced women make it a little harder but they will give you reason soon enough.
>>24837718>starts swearing within 20 seconds of the videoYeah, immediately stopped watching there. That behavior is degenerate. Also as the other anons have pointed out>unnatural hair color>piercings >excessive makeup>TATTOOS
lol
>>24838112>mine was when a woman took control of my mind
>>24837912Anons have talked about being lonely on 4chimps for 20 fucking years and you never once saw it? Did you teleport in from tiktok?
>>24838498Women have no agency. This is why “society” has to fix their problems. Men have agency and thus have to fix their own. This solves all apparent contradictions like how two equally drunk people can have sex but it’s the man who is the rapist. Women are literally objects acted upon and this is what feminism actually teaches not in word but deed.
>>24838715Zero quality control is free advertising for every OF bitch. And that’s what these all are even if they don’t literally have one. It’s why a woman Youtuber playing piano is doing it in “cosplay” fetish gear two years later. A woman into the “maker” sphere is licking her phallic rocket as a subscriber extra. Booktokers advertise sex toys and get increasingly skimpy if they stumble into a male viewership. It’s all tails of the same culture. It’s that one girl whining about thirstposting women one year and farting into a microphone on stream a couple of years later.
>>24840016>It’s that one girl whining about thirstposting women one year and farting into a microphone on stream a couple of years later.Holy unc remembers indiefoxx
>>24840016>Booktokers advertise sex toysI fucking hated it when Izzzyzzz started advertising that shit. I jerked to her facial hair and armpit hair and forearm hair so much before that but now I dropped her entirely.
>>24840003A bunch of spergs talking about being lonely on the 'chinz isn't the same as a worldwide epidemic dickface. That gay term is used by insufferable women to pretend they're girlbosses ending the ebul patriarchy.
Why does everyone on this website have such shit taste in women lmao>h-how dare this vile wench have tattoos and dyed hair and makeup! i need a good little submissive virgin christian girl who only speaks when spoken to and keeps her ankles coveredImagine your shock when you realize that all the depraved porn shit you're into is completely off limits with the virgin Christian girl, who will only be down for starfish missionary. And yes, I know for a fact that you're into depraved porn shit. You're posting on 4chan.org.
>>24839148There is nothing it's like to be a plant. The obvious separating point is possession of a central nervous system.
>>24840233>who will only be down for starfish missionary
>>24840233>And yes, I know for a fact that you're into depraved porn shit. You're posting on 4chan.org.So are you
>>24840439Exactly. I'm into depraved porn shit. That's why my type is BPD girls with dyed hair and tattoos. It would be ludicrously hypocritical for me to seek out good Christian girls who don't swear or use makeup when I myself post on such a filthy, degenerate website.
>>24840465I dunno sometimes being a hypocrite kicks ass
>>24840256Which i tend to think is only wired in women for the most basest of instincts. Anything involving higher level concepts is completely off limits to them.
>>24840233she won't hold hands with me?
>>24840481So what of all the great female authors, poets, philosophers?
>>24840233Why does being adventurous and fun in bed with the person you love and marry somehow mean that you have to be a whore whoring it up with everyone?
>>24839732christ that bookshelf. is there really any lower form of life than a fantasy-pleeb?
>>24840915But I like Realm of the Elderlings...
>>24837718I thought /ourgirl/ was that other red haired bitch?
>>24840256How do you know? Plants react to external stimuli. How do you know you aren't causing kale tremendous suffering? Besides even if we accept your "obvious separating point" that doesn't mean all creatures with a central nervous system are subject to the same moral treatment. Forcibly castrating people without their consent is evil but when it's done to dogs and cats it's called being a good pet owner.
>>24840987Because the alternative is lots of puppies and kittens being born and becoming strays, whereas humans have the mental and physical wherewithal to put a condom on.
>>24841002Whatever your justification for it is, it doesn't change the fact that they are subject to different moral treatment than humans are.
>>24841002>whereas humans have the mental and physical wherewithal to put a condom on.I could point to many places where this is not the case but don't know how to do it without coming off as racist lol
>>24838362>true absolute statement>false absolute statementHave you tried being honest for a change? Are you able?
>>24837727You are the common denominator of all your broken relationships.
>>24837905I write but I don't publish beacuse I'm an alcoholic and I get too drunk before I can send anything to any publisher and later on I don't give a damn :3 Also, I'm a raging misanthrope but I like WOMEN,albeit not as masculine as the one on the video :(
>having empathy for people outside your friend/family/racial circle Why would I?
>>24837718>ugly or mid woman talking
>>24842010As in, all vegans do the former but not all incels do the latter? Or am I misunderstanding you?
>>24837718I only read star wars books and coptic chirstian books
>>24840912Most women who are willing to be adventurous (consistently) are going to have a high sex drive. A high sex drive usually means they're whores, especially today. It's just their biology. They are more willing to say "yes" to things, risky behaviour included, and will relentlessly shit test their men, and also handle the truth much betterOn the other hand, low sex drive women will be feminine, compassionate etc, appear as the perfect virgin wife, but wont really be interested in sex that much. One day you'll roll her over in bed and kiss her, and she'll give you a look of disgust because she's "not in the mood". Also she wont be able to handle the truth as wellPick your poison. No woman is perfect. The perfect virgin girl who's gonna be willing to be a depraved slut just for you, doesnt exist, and is nothing more than a childish fantasy.
>OP posts about booktuber human containing XX chromosomes>Thread immediately derails into the same old vegan non-vegan argument whereby the vegan argues with the ontological surety you will only also find in religious zealots, and the non-vegans, annoyed with the self-righteousness of the vegans, get hooked onto their bait like a fish
>>24842964Tell me how you can know other humans are conscious without it leading to the conclusion that other animals are conscious. Protip, you can't.
>>24842989That other humans are conscious?
>>24842970>Tell me how you can know rocks will fall to the ground if pushed off a height without it leading to the conclusion that a feather will also do so? Protip, you can’t.
>>24843002But a feather WILL ultimately fall to the ground, even if it takes longer. (How DO you know other humans are conscious, though?)
>>24843007>vegan reveals itself to be a solipsist in an attempt to make another argument “owning” the carnie many such cases
>>24843013I believe other humans are conscious. I'm asking how you, specifically, claim to know that they're conscious.
>>24837905How to get hairy book waifu? I don't care about political opinions as long as she lets me lick her hairy legs, pits, ass, and pusspuss.
>>24837718the more you install the stereotypes (in the original Lipman sense) from novels into your brain, the less able to you will be to see people for what they are, a jumbled contradictory mess whose identity is mostly situational/opportunistic. a human mind, even a very large and wrinkled one, cannot do even a passingly decent simulation of another human mind, even a very small and smooth one. all it can do is twist oversimplified stereotypes in new and inventive ways for your entertainment, which is what a novel is good for at least, and indeed at most.
>>24842914I play a dumb Star Wars game and am in a discord server because I'm in a guildThe only books those nerds ever read are Star Wars slopBunch of nerds
>>24843093Perhaps in France?
>>24843426I wish.
>>24840233>if a woman doesn't have tattoos that look like gangrene, she's an Amish hyper-prudeYeah man, those are the only options, you've convinced me and everyone else that you are NOT a retard.
