Why did it destroy Russian literature?
muh bourgeoisie
to forge the steel
>>24838983It had to be destroyed in order to create the objectively superior Soviet literature
movies > books
>>24838983Probably one of my only gripes with the soviet union and their leaders. I believe it was a necessary tradeoff for citizens to live well— even if it was unnecessary to do so.
Was it because they politicised everything? Short of burning the book off the face of the planet (plenty of 'civilisations' have succeeded in this) pure litetature will rape any dumb ideology and spring new tyrannical ones. Language is a bioweapon.
>>24838997>objectively superior Soviet literatureEvery person on Earth in every country can name a pre-revolution Russian author. Hardly anyone outside of Russia can name a soviet author (and those that do can only name those who lived in the 1920s and not after WW2), and nobody can name a post-soviet author (showing the "magnificent" legacy of the ussr)
>>24839000Outside of Tarkovsky and Come and See nobody watched any of these. Also, we're talking about literature, not cinema.
>>24838983Because it destroyed Russian authors.
>>24838983left wing ideology is counter to creativity and art.
>>24838983The Germanic nobility got exiled.
>>24839098but art is for gays.
>>24839100I'm polish and trans btw not sure if that matters
>>24838983>Communist art isn't marketed in capitalist countriesPaint me suprised. I bet subversive art that came from the USSR is deepthroated by the US intelligentia.>>24839000Пeтp пepвый was ass.Дeмидoвы was better.Джeнтльмeны yдaчи is peak sovl, recommended if someone wants to get into soviet movies.t. Soviet movie autist
>>24839023>Also, we're talking about literatureBarely because OP is a retarded /pol/ baiting faggot
>>24839106Only if you approach art in the faggy childish self-obsessed "I have to express my feelings and everyone should look at me" way. Every intelligent mature person understands (even if It's just by intuition) that beauty as a practical thing with high levels of aesthetics and complexity combined with showcasing high levels of craft containing ethic and moral values is immensely valuable thing, and it's good to have it in your society.
>>24839160Sounds like you're projecting here.
>>24839255Sadly no, you simply are a faggot
>>24838983>russian lit pre communism:>guy trying to fuck a little girl>guy turning into a bug>russian lit after communism:>GUIDE TO UTOPIA ON EARTH
>>24839284Well you put it like that...
>>24839284>80iq commie thinks kafka was russian and that lolita was written before the bolshevik revolutiongrim outlook for your movement, comrade
>>24838983Master and the Margarita is pretty good.
The bolsheviks destroyed essentially all of Russian culture, not just literature. They destroyed the church, the family, education, all of it. They are the primary reason that Russia is such a vacuous shithole today. They did this because they were a fundamentally evil and Satanic movement.
>>24839122She is looking for a Germanic noble to serve.
>>24839284>russian lit>guy turning into a bugKafka was a czech/german jew living in prague
>>24838983Well, the Soviet state did a pretty good job of suppressing creative and potentially subversive literature. But once the files were released and the censorship lifted, the West could access a generation of Soviet writers that had been forgotten, like Andrey Platonov, Sokolov, Babel, and Ivan Bunin.
>>24838983The same reason TV destroyed literature everywhere else, dumbass.
>>24839284>guide to utopia on earth>turns your country into hell on earth
>>24839284most intelligent and cultured commie
>>24839551I agree it was a stupid post but Dostoevsky and Tolstoy are both some form of spiritual communists
>>24839527Jews are spiritually russian
>>24839284Nabokov is post communism
>>24839572>post communismAnti-soviet dissentient*He died before the soviet union fell.
>>24838997I know this is bait, but name some examples. The only Soviet authors that come to my mind without using google are Gorki and Bulgakow, and I don't even know if they count.
>>24839160Yeah, I'm with >>24839255. You're definitely mad because you think /lit/ is le safe space that should cater to you.
>>24839284bait/10.
>>24839014>Was it because they politicised everything?"A good textbook is more valuable than any novel." -- TitoBut yeah. Actually think different analogies are needed like the Rule of the Saints during the English Civil War when Cromwell and his Puritans ran the country (complete with "witchcraft" trials in the 1930s in the Russian case). Like, combine the dogmatic exclusiveness of the Puritans with the political intolerance of the Jacobins and you get the Bolsheviks. But instead of believing in the Bible they believe in Science, and you give them 20th-century technology. They were like priests who were also the police and simultaneously the owners of all media (the press, the movies, the radio, the television, the book publishing industry, etc.) and everything you needed to keep you alive down to the food you ate and the roof over your head.They expended a lot of effort on preventing the development of any consciousness or the expression of any ideas contrary to the official one. Problem is that this tends to lead to retardation in everything. No free literature, no free circulation of ideas, means no creativity. No creativity means no innovation anywhere else so the whole thing stagnates sooner or later.>>24839284>russian lit after communism:>GUIDE TO UTOPIA ON EARTH"The conviction of the Communist leaders that they were on the path leading to the creation of absolute happiness and an ideal society grew in proportion to the growth of their power. It has been said in jest that the Communist leaders created a Communist society - for themselves. In fact, they do identify themselves with society and its aspirations. Absolute despotism equates itself with the belief in absolute human happiness, though it is an all-inclusive and universal tyranny."-- Milovan Djilas
>>24839023your missing out on Ivan the Terrible
>>24839140>Posting the Cyrillic titles on an English-language website to be more 'authentic'Vile
>>24839015>Every person on Earth in every country can name a pre-revolution Russian author. Hardly anyone outside of Russia can name a soviet author Filtering plebs is a key characteristic of good literature. >>24839601>The only Soviet authors that come to my mind without using google are Gorki and BulgakowNot knowing even Sholokhov proves beyond any doubt that you are way below even plebs.
>>24839023>Outside of Tarkovsky and Come and See nobody watched any of these.>nobody has watched moscow does not believe in tears>nobody has watched irony of fate
>>24838983It didn't. It just went underground for a bit.
>>24840672>Sholokhovstole a book written by a white officer and bastardised it into commie propagandakek gommunists aren't sending their best
>>24840769Here, here
>>24839571But Russians are metaphysically Chinese
>>24839015All flies love dogshit but none of them love normal healthy food.
>>24840769>stole a book[citation needed]>bastardised it into commie propagandaFor anyone who actually read Quiet Don, the issue with this lies in Quiet Don being fundamentally a story of tragic, but long overdue death of Cossackdom and Tsardom. It's in every theme, it's in every character from their most basic elements, it's in the story's very structure. One cannot conceive a Quiet Don that is not about Cossacks going extinct.
>>24840769>AYO MUHFUGGA DEM GOMMIES BE STEALIN DA SHIT WE MADE CUZ WE WUZ TSAARZ N SHIET
>>24838990yeah pretty much... You have time to write you must be part of the bourgeoisie... your write isnt sucking poiltburo dick, straight to the gulag
>>24840713Platonov is Soviet lit. Anti-Soviet lit in general is Soviet lit - same as anti--Imperial Russian lit is still Russian lit, or similarly with any other society.
>>24840791>>24840798>PROLETARIAT OF THE WORLD UNITE-AACKK!!!!
>>24840807Concession accepted.
>>24840807soviet union moved from moscow to brussels so nothing was lost
>>24840672>Filtering plebs is a key characteristic of good literature.>n-no it's not that my books are so shit nobody wants to read them, you just got filtered!!Kek
>>24840089>VileYes, yes indeed.I do avoid forgetting the cyrillic script by using it pseudly on the pseud board. How could you tell?
>>24840816>soviet union moved from moscow to brusselsRetard
>>24840847>Putin in the 70s watching thatHe's literally mehttps://youtu.be/1RGJGF1mYZ0
>>24840845>it's not that my books are so shit nobody wants to read them, you just got filteredAnon where do you think you are?
>>24840848nice to meet you, retard, but why did you announce your presence? any arguments?
>>24840978If you think Brussels is like Moscow and the EU is like the USSR, go back to /pol/ retard
>>24840998Well duh, they are way worse.
>>24840998you definitely know more than that fool Gorbachev, comrade
>>24838983The Soviet Union did more for human literacy than any other country on the planet.
>>24841117Well maybe giving literacy to the lowest common denominator wasn't such a good idea in hindsight...
>>24841117It's true that literacy increased, but that's a massive exageration.But that also doesn't matter anyway, the soviet state ideology and the artists who submitted to it produced nothing of note. All of the worthwhile literature produced in this period was written by dissidents who had their works censored or who got thrown in a gulag for banal reasons. And if you compared it to the artistic output that Russia had in the 19th century, under the Tsar, people like Turgenev, Chekov, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, Rimsky-Korsakov, Mussorgsky, etc, it's really kind of embarassing. Soviet intellectual life and culture was surviving entirely on the last embers of the culture they've burned down. And then they censored/killed anyone with any kind of genius.
>>24841164>the soviet state ideology and the artists who submitted to it produced nothing of note
>>24841169Not a soviet author
>>24838983Censors. They had existed before the soviet union but it got ratcheted up to 10 with them.
>>24838983Real question: What was the deal with Russian lit? Like, from what I understand, they never had a large literary tradition, more poetry etc, then for about 50 years, they produce some of the great works of literature, and then it kinda stops.
>>24839000I watched War and Peace last winter and it was incredible. Highly recommend it to any anons.
The funniest thing is that nineteenth-century Russian writers didn’t exactly live in a democratic country.Censorship was brutal, and many writers were sent into exile, yet they produced some of the greatest books in history.So it’s not really about whether they lived under a democracy or a totalitarian regime, it’s just that the commies sucked, and their attempt to change the Russian soul ultimately led to an artistic sterilization.
>>24841362>it’s just that the commies sucked, and their attempt to change the Russian soul ultimately led to an artistic sterilizationbut muh denprogas o algo
>>24838983They deliberately attacked the intelligensia to the point of having no doctors to treat old Man of Steel when he stroked out. Remember that their big problem was trying to catch up to Europe while having a retarded peasant class that couldn’t do industrialism. Under communism education was still suspect. Free thinking forbidden. Ideologically approved ideas like Lysenkonism could dominate and destroy agriculture even though it was obviously wrong and produced shit results. It’s as bad as putting creationists in charge of policy and having them decide god will fix the problem of nutrient depletion. Even after the fall of communism Russia never really modernized fully. The autocratic regime still punishes wrongthinkers and being too clever about anything is risking your life. Better to keep your head down and mouth shut. Educational systems trumpet out regime approved nonsense or is just woefully underfunded to begin with. Where are the idea men supposed to come from?
>>24841261>it kinda stopslol. pretty much all the famous russian novelists you've heard of were either wealthy aristocrats or at least had aristocratic roots, often with family ties to the nobilities of europe. it "stops" because bolshevik dysgenics severed those bloodlines. they all ended up dead or destitute or writing in exile like nabokov. this can never be undone because it's not just culture that was destroyed but blood.as to where it came from, it was really the same literary movements that shaped the rest of europe. those aristocrats often travelled or studied in the west, highly influential russian translations of western classics were published in the early 19th century and so on. the whole meme about russian lit being THE literature seems to originate in an early 20th century period of british russophilia that invented the whole "russian soul" wankfest and made crime and punishment or war and peace the default "serious" novels to every normie with no real opinions.
>>24841449Fair enough. They are great novels, but it always felt like its been amplified by people wanting something exotic and different, kinda like when people did the same thing with asia and india.
>>24841449Sorry, and as to the "russian soul", i am truly waiting for people to do the same for the Victorian British lol>Have you ever read Dickens? The Victorian soul was incredible etc etc
>>24839284>This is the average /lit/ communistThey're not sending their best...
>>24838990The Soviet Union was always a Bourgeois and even quasi-Fascist state as it employed monetary currency which circulated much like the current Russian federation does.>> The ruble or rouble (/ˈruːbəl/; Russian: pyбль, romanized: rubl', IPA: [rublʲ]) was the currency of the Soviet Union. It was introduced in 1922 and replaced the Imperial Russian ruble. One ruble was divided into 100 kopecks (кoпeйкa, pl. кoпeйки – kopeyka, kopeyki). Soviet banknotes and coins were produced by the Federal State Unitary Enterprise (or Goznak) in Moscow and Leningrad.Only states like Maoist China and Khmer Rouge which use labor vouchers and work points are real existing Socialism.
>>24840791What? Flies aalways try to land on my food
>>24841362The Soviet Union was worse I think when it came to repressing ideas. This isn't intended as apologia for Tsarism but the totalitarian state was no joke, and it ruled by fear to a considerable extent, and ideas are the biggest thing such regimes try to control. If you said certain things in the wrong place at the wrong time, there would be people waiting for you with a car to take you away and your family might not ever see you again. That doesn't mean they were ever able to control people's inner worlds though. Russians are not people I'd ever want to go up against at a poker table. They're adaptive survivalists and they're really good at hiding what they're really thinking, they're masters of the pokerface:https://youtu.be/RhMYBfF7-hE
>>24838983The answer starts with a "J" and ends with an "ew".I'm reminded however of this american writer who said that the lack of censorship in the US compared to the USSR is basically a subtle insult towards its artists. When the government does not feel the need to impose censorship on a field of culture that is basically because it doesn't feel like it has anything to fear from it. If modern tankies ever stopped to think for a moment they'd be forced to realize that wearing hammer and sickle T-shirts and shit like that isn't sticking it to the man in the least, it's basically willingly advertising to the world how neutered you are.
>>24840796>Quiet DonWe wuz Cossacks n sheet
>>24840781Yeah and Chinese are honourarily Jewish. That's why Chinese businessmen read the Talmud. Therefore Russians are metaphysically honourary Jews (and Jews are spiritually Russian)
Everything written by russians and slavs in general is just pretentious dogshit and not worth reading
>>24843873>t. finnish bumpkin
>>24844280I don't think Russians are in any position to call people bumpkins, most of you live in sheds. In the west, pigs and cattle are better housed than you lot.
>>24840781Yes but the Chinese are teleologically automatonic. Hence their confusion for being insectoid. They are only similar to insects and literally consume insects, they aren't cannibalistic in a literal sense, whereas robots would logically be iterative and derive new parts from inferior versions of themselves in a way that would be symbolical cannibalism.t. has a PhD in racism with a concentration in Chinese racism
>>24844289How'd a /pol/tard like you end up on a board about literature anyways?
>>24838983Why do I have the feeling you haven't read any 20th century russian literature?
>>24838983>why is 19th century literature better than 20th century literature
>>24839000A great example of mess inside the commoners' heads, where banned and officially shat on films are lumped together with 100% politically correct and toothless war [fantasy] movies, and something that could only become possible in latest Perestroyka years is still listed as “Soviet” because that place of production still existed.People who can only discern the words on the director's passport will gladly tell you about the good old times.
The outlawed wisdom concentrated elsewhere.https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_jokes&oldid=1166941059https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_political_jokes&oldid=1275072071Chose some old versions because of editors deleting jokes they call unsuitable.
>>24839284Yes such classique authors as Mamleev and V. Erofeev both great examples of such a statement, guide to utopia of sorts.
>>24839322>my sides
>>24838983The Gulags elevated the worst in humanity and debased the rest. It became systemic. Danzig Baldaev's Drawings from the Gulag is a graphic historical record. He was the son of a anthropologist who became a jail guard, ironically after his parents were denounced.Publicly it's a very homophobic society today, where men would chimp out like niggers and try to beat you up for even potentially suggesting that they might not be against gays. While behind closed doors more than 30% (some would say 50%+) of men fuckin' with men, despite claiming to be straight, having wives, families and so on. It's too much of lore dump for 4chang post, but basically the most recent reason for this (there were before) was the soviet gulag shit:- tens of millions of people thrown with hardcore criminals;- hardcore criminals used as enforcers inside by the regime;- those thugs start fuckin' men because they have no way for sexual release, invent a bullshit reasoning system why it's okay and totally straight, conveying their status and such;- then people get out from gulag and take a piece of gulag with them back into normal life, some take the buttsex with them;- initially the buttsex and sodomy was used only as torture by NKVD/KGB staff inside the army;- then WW2 happens and mass mobilization happens, including of those who did time in the gulags, so they bring in the buttsex practice with themselves;- on top of that, criminals from inside the gulag also have to be mobilized, take piece of buttsex with them as well;- war ends, army starts going back to normal;- demography is fucked, have to have mandatory conscription (3 years in the army) for even "men of lower quality" (those who did time), then you get another dose of buttsex culture into the army;- army reform, conscription time moves from 3 years to 2 years, which creates a giant schism of "old severs" and "young servers", basically some guys have served 1 years already and still have 2 years to serve (because they were conscripted under old rules), while these older guys didn't serve shit and still have only the same 2 years to serve (because they were conscripted under new rules);1/2
>>24847587- the "old servers" start to impose master and slave relations on the "young servers", which includes everything from having to do their work to yes, you've guessed it, serving them sexually, this is from where the term dedovshchina (dead-ov-sh-ch-ee-na) comes from ("rule of the grandfathers", where "grandfather" is the "old server");- this schism basically gets put into a replicating system, so that even 10 years after it it, when everybody is serving 2 years now for quite a while, it still works like that, "hurr-durr i'm already served 1 years, i am older server, now these young servers will do things for us", then a year goes by and the repressed and raped "young servers" elevate to the "old server" status and start doing the same to the new batch, as in "we had it rough, now it your turn";- doesn't help that most of the conscripted are 18 y.o. hormonal boys, jerked away from society and girl into some bumfucked base in the middle of nowhere (unless you serve in some elite detachment with a base close to a town where you can go AWOL once a week), nor does it help that there is no porn, no women, little to no privacy and so on;- this conscription was more or less universal during soviet times, 90%+ of men go through the system, dodging in significant numbers doesn't start before the Afghanistan war, so you have a society where most men went through a quasi-prison army buttsex complex;- many people try to forget that as something which never happened, but a sizable chunk gets hooked in and continues the homoshit after leaving the army;- thus you have 1/3 of male society running around behind the backs of their wives and families and fucking each other, sometimes they use the cover of "going fishing" or "going hunting" and stuff like that, but many just say they went out for smokes and meet randoms in a staircase of the commieblock for a quick fuck;- the 1990s refreshed the cycle all over again: gangsters got rich and everyone else starved, and the newly rich of the 90s became the new elites of the 2000s and 2010s 2/2
>>24847597https://archive.org/details/drawings-from-the-gulag-danzig-baldaev_202412/mode/2up
>>24838983ReadIt Happens In Russia: Seven Years Forced Labour in the Siberian Goldfields, 1951. Vladimir Petrov.The USSR was an anti-human horror.
