why has the term “uncle tom” become a derogatory term in the black community? Tom was a man of God whose faith and kindness wouldn’t be crushed, even when faced with death.what does that have to do with being a self loathing black?Did they just not read the book?
blacks are classic example of crabs in a bucket
>>24839672youre not wrong, but one of the first positive depictions of african American figures in literature is derided by blacks today? It makes no sense
>>24839664It was the plays and minstrel shows of the book that changed perception
>>24839680That doesnt explain how the term has survived to today considering the minstrel shows havent been a thing for over 100 years yet the book itself still survives
>>24839664Because Uncle Tom's Cabin was enormously popular in 19th-century America (and abroad), leading to plays, musicals, and all kinds of stuff based on the book and its characters that began changing Uncle Tom's character to the extent that their version replaced the original in the popular understanding.
Shouldn't you go some place where the negro congregates? Black people twitter or some such? It's strange to think there'll be more than token and his halfbreed brother here.
>>24839686Like i said here >>24839682 though The derogatory term lives on even today, many decades after the minstrel shows died It makes no sense to me
>>24839682negro tradition is oral, not written.
>>24839664Because white people enslaved and then brutalized black people for about 400 years give or take, then some dumb white bitch wrote a novel about how the sappy black guy who said sentimental bullshit and wasn't mad at white people for doing this was the hero. So they use this term to make fun of people who remind them of this dumb book written by a dumb bitch from the race that committed atrocities against them for multiple centuries
>>24839699When a popular culture phenomenon is so influential across multiple forms of media for decades, it simply has a more lasting effect than the original work even if it contradicts it and can be accessed long after the other derivative works fade. Culture is not primarily transmitted through words on a page.We can think of other examples, albeit less striking, of things that have assumed greater cultural importance from derivative works that are not in the original works, such as from Tarzan, Dracula, or Robinson Crusoe.
>>24839715you havent even read the book have you, tyqueerius?
>>24839672You can literally apply this concept to any so-called "disenfranchised minority", women, gays, transgenders, jews, foreign born brown people - etc, the ontology remains the same as before. Only white/European male heterosexuals believe in any actual concept of meritocracy. The idea that people can achieve things through voluntary effort. No other group seems to see it that way, however, and see any attempts at trying to transcend their identity as betrayal of its pre-packaged "core values" of what it means to be female, black, gay, et. You can see this kind of self-involved solipsism in the academic world where any person of "minority" identity does research, it all circles back.
>>24839664Because Uncle Tom's cabin is what Northerners read that gave them the view on blacks as angelic child like beings that were hurt and beaten by evil racist hillbilly nazis in the south
>>24839682The same reason “philistine” is still used for someone anti culture though absolutely no one recalls the context
>>24839724Frankenstein would be a better example. The monster in the book is very physically limber and quite articulate and loves to read, but whenever there is a popular image of Frankenstein’s monster it is based on the 1930’s film not the book, to such an extent that even the monster is just called Frankenstein now
>>24839677he's famous and black. That's the reason.
>>24839715>Because white people enslaved and then brutalized black people for about 400 years give or take, then somee have to at least be historically accurate. Everyone acts as if white "slavers" sailed to africa, and hunted and captured negroes to bring them back to be slaves. Its simply not true.in Africa, one tribe of negroes would capture the enemy, and sell them ito slavery. This is blacks enslaving and selling other blacks. Without this? We would not have the first negroe slave in america. Next up, "whites" did not own "blacks". Anyone who had the cash? Could and did purchase slaves. It was as normal as buying farm equipment today. And yes, there were *many* cases of b-l-a-c-k people with money, who bought and owned other blacks, as slaves. It was not a white-back thing, it was a rich-poor thing.FInally, we come to the image of cruel whites, whipping and branding black slaves. While it did happen, it was by far the exception rather than the norm. Why? Simple math. Go to any working farm, even a relatively small one. You will see some equipment around. Go look what it costs, new. Even used, its ridiculous. No sane farmer takes a SLEDGEHAMMER to his ridiculously expensive machinery. The Muslims (Barbary coast pirates) were enslaving so many WHITES, that we had to fight a small war to get them to tone it down a few notches. Its fairly recent in human history, that we view slavery as morally wrong. Since the beginning of time, "slavery" was about synonymous to what we today call "the very poor". Once freed? Most blacks didn't even want to *leave* their white owners. They had a job they couldn;t get fired from, they had a little house, a wife and kids. The white owners would generally try to teach the young black kids to read with their own white children, because they were so much more valuable when literate. This was a time, when "educated" upper crust whites? performed like second grade reading and writing and arithmetic. The shitty little dirty cabin you see the poor black negroes in? That's the same conditions any poor free white family lived in. The labor those slaves performed? Was the *same* labor anyone did on their own land if they couldn't afford to hire/own workers. Did you know there were white slaves too? Most people didn't know that. Also, the majority of slave owners would allow a black to purchase his own self (freedom). The slave is worth X dollars. Give me X dollars, plus a little more? I'll go buy a younger one of you, and come and visit if you live nearby. Go adjust the cost of a good healthy strong mandingo to today's money? And tell me you wouldn't take good care of that thing you paid so much money for. In 1860, average auction price was 800 to 1500 USD. that's 62 *thousand* in today's money. Would you buy a brand new sports car, and take a hammer to it? No. You'd shine it up all pretty, and give it the best oil, gas, etc.
>>24840651I ain't reading all that, white Americans are stained with evil and they will all burn in hell forever for the sins of their fathers.
>>24840675Find me any human who is without sin.
>>24840675>>24841611Forget about that miserable nigger. I truly am an uncle tom.
>>24839878>>24840651based>>24840675nigger (jew)
>>24839664>>24839699https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_show
>>24839878It's amazing how little history you'd need to learn to disprove this.A determined 5 year old could refute it.
>>24839699People still say “peanut gallery” tbf
>>24839664Are you a nig OP? Why do you care? Btw the reason is that nogs hate anyone trying to elevate themselves
>>24841746Go ahead and do it then
>>24840675whatever you need to tell yourself buck!
>>24840675fine bait
>>24840651No amount of pedantic waffle can justify the religious worship of usury and extortion required to uphold slavery. Harper's Ferry was the product of one man realizing that half of his countrymen were worshipping satan and attempting to alert the rest before it was too late.
>>24839878I feel like both the British and the Russians prove that even Europeans fall victim to this mentality.
>>24839694>t./lit/homosexual>>24839664As you stated most Black Americans are not aware of the character of Uncle Tom from the novel, but rather the behavior associated with the term currently. Uncle Tom although being described with numerous positive qualities, was seen as tolerable negro, loyal, feeble and appreciative of the White man. This belief system was favored by white audiences for obvious reasoning, but also demonstrates favor towards Whites over Uncle Tom’s own Black community despite the fact that during this time in America history Black Americans were being treated with high amounts of prejudice and racism.>t.one of three black anons on /lit/
>>24840675Very astute observation, Miguel. Got denied for a green card again?
>>24841746Yeah well that hardly matters and I've probably read more than you, Tristan.
>>24842767He won't. He just wanted to give me lip like the faggot he is.
>>24845410*American*
>>24845422I'm gonna rape you
>>24845458A underdeveloped /lit/izen would have no chance of overcoming me
>>24840585If that were the case blacks would only listen to underground rap and not shit like Cardi B
>>24839664He doesn't fight on his own behalf. He's the ideal black man for a lot of whites and unwittingly exposes a gross double standard.>Uncle Tom's character is sketched with great power and rare religious perception. It triumphantly exemplifies the nature, tendency, and results of Christian non-resistance. We are curious to know whether Mrs. Stowe is a believer in the duty of non-resistance for the white man, under all possible outrage and peril, as for the black man ... [For whites in parallel circumstances, it is often said] Talk not of overcoming evil with good – it is madness! Talk not of peacefully submitting to chains and stripes – it is base servility! Talk not of servants being obedient to their masters – let the blood of tyrants flow! How is this to be explained or reconciled? Is there one law of submission and non-resistance for the black man, and another of rebellion and conflict for the white man? When it is the whites who are trodden in the dust, does Christ justify them in taking up arms to vindicate their rights? And when it is the blacks who are thus treated, does Christ require them to be patient, harmless, long-suffering, and forgiving? Are there two Christs? - anonymous 1852 reviewer for William Lloyd Garrison's publication, The Liberator,
>>24845464I'm a 43 year old man you are a toddler to me
>>24845584Oldfaggot spending time on a Mongolian weaving forum directed towards young adults
>>24839664>why has the term “uncle tom” become a derogatory term in the black community?Basically, uh, slave owners spent 200+ years breeeding blacks to be strong but dumb.This is why when Nigerians and Ethiopians immigrate to the US they do extremely well and also develop mutual hatred with the generational blacks descended from slaves.
>>24839664>faith and kindness wouldn’t be crushedthose are not good qualities
>>24845410No wonder why I've been called a coconut.t. One of the other 3 black anons
