Could you guys recommend some good books discussing the corruption and history of the CIA? Obviously when discussing something so inherently antithetical to truth like an intelligence agency there's going to be difficulty finding evidence of stated truth, but that's what I'm looking for (or something as close to that as I can get) (p.s. sorry if that sounded retarded, the captcha has failed 4 times and i've given up on wording that perfectly).
>>24839935don't be a hero mate just live normally
>>24839943??? I just want to inform myself better on something I'm interested in.
Also, I've heard that pic rel is a good source for the history, but I'm particularly interested in material on the 2000's to present day.
>>24839935Agents of Repression: The FBI's Secret Wars against the Black Panther Party & the American Indian MovementThe Cultural Cold War: The CIA and the World of Arts and LettersThe Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret GovernmentThe Franklin ScandalChaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the SixtiesAberration in the Heartland of the Real: The Secret Lives of Timothy McVeighPoisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind ControlKilling Hope: U.S. Military and C.I.A. Interventions Since World War II
>>24840225Thanks!
>>24839935do your own internet searchinghttps://www.bing.com/search?q=books+cia+history
>>24840483youre welcome have fun anon. i would also recommend you look into david myatt, o9a, joshua sutter, and the atomwaffen division if you want to read about modern examples of three letter agencies infiltrating and entrapping/subverting extremist groups. https://www.unz.com/estriker/national-justice-exclusive-notorious-nazi-satanic-group-is-an-illegal-counter-intelligence-operation-controlled-by-two-career-fbi-informants/this article is a decent starting point.
>>24839943Australians are such pathetic conformist bootlickers. Tall poppy syndrome.
>>24839935Read Dulles' memoirs and histories focused around OSS, the transition and Truman.
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>>24839935This book by Dave McGowan on the Hippie era
>>24839935Who joins the CIA?Is it some legacy Washington elite that ensures their perpetual control over this Gestapo and relies on the political universities and the military to get their minions who do their grunt work?Its 100% not a independent compartment self-managing organization but hierarchical as the military. Are there known Skull and Bones type societies that probably overlap with the CIA elites as well?
>>24839935John Prados - Presidents' Secret Wars
Will try to discuss in this thread since I just get schizoposting on /x/ and /his/.John Gittinger, a psychologist employed by the CIA, developed a personality system in the 60's, which they based on the Wechsler IQ Scale. The system was apparently used to recruit spies and manipulate enemies.Do any anons with insight into the history of psychology or the CIA know anything about this?>During the Cuban missile crisis, it was Gittinger (CIA psychologist) who was summoned to the White House to give his advice on how Khrushchev would react to American pressure.Source:https://greenfieldlab.psych.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/168/2019/01/02marksgreenfield1984.pdfThey have a website, although some of the material is locked behind membership.https://www.pasf.org/index.phpThey also have an experimental online test:https://www.pasf.org/pasq/index.htm
>>24841072Usually they poach top students out of Ivy League schools in degrees like IR, Law, PolSci, Economics and such. And then you indeed have the 'military branch' so to speak, because they already have a military training. And then again only an elite few get poached.
>>24839935Conversations with the Crowhttps://archive.org/details/conversations-with-the-crow-pdf
>>24839935Sorry for hijacking this thread a little but i've been toying with this question a lot and figured this is an appropriate place to ask it. There are dozens of books about the CIA's MKUltra project and the agencies attempts to study mind control & brainwashing, and even more about potential victims of the CIA's brainwashing shenanigans (Jack Ruby, Charles Manson, Jimmy Shaver, Timothy Mcveigh to name a few.) However I hardly ever see anyone discussing modern examples of CIA brainwashing & mind control. People ITT who believe MKUltra was successfully able to create Manchurian candidates, what are potential modern examples of the CIA using the knowledge & experience gained from MKultra on individuals? The rise in lone mass shooters comes to mind as a potential example, but I fail to really see what scrambling some poor kids brain into committing random acts of violence on his community really accomplishes.
>>24841072>Who joins the CIA?Mormons. The grunts are overwhelmingly Mormons. For potential leadership, they do >>24841262, only anon overtunes it with "elite". They approach a lot of students, but very few take the offer, because the pay is actually unironically pretty damn bad.
>>24841326> but I fail to really see what scrambling some poor kids brain into committing random acts of violence on his community really accomplishes.Instituting pre-crime lawsGetting people more used to things like militarization of the police, and various busy areas (whether security at schools or at train stations or wherever)
>>24841351>only anon overtunes it with "elite"If you don't believe there are cults, societies, families that want to use the power of an agency like the CIA for its benefit or as a simple power and wealth tool you are retarded. Even the political class is rife with these groups.No "ivy league" (and you really mean Georgetown, George Washington, Harvard Tufts school ) grad gets to the top. They are the grunts doing the heavy lifting no different than any Goldman Sachs risk analyst who will never get to a genuine corporate power position.
>>24841072Read Family of Secrets about the Bush family, George sr was Cia affiliated way before what's typically known, many skull x bones types in the old guard. There was a point where the agency had a shift towards younger military guys, away from the suits of Ivy Leagues, Tim Weiner touches on this in the book that's already been posted.Are we hyped about Vollmanns 3000 page Cia novel next year?
>>24841459>Instituting pre-crime lawsPre-crime programs** at minimum I mean, new software to help law enforcement and intelligence profile citizens. Preemptive taking away of guns of certain people flagged as a “mental health” or “domestic terrorist” risk. Etc. I imagine. You got a degree of this with Palantir, and there was also some Israeli tech startup the Israeli founder went on Fox News bragging about shortly after Charlie Kirk’s assassination & explicitly in the light of it, a software system similar to Palantir, which he said “could’ve helped prevent this.” Combing through social media & the Internet to flag these threats and predict violence or shootings.
>>24841605>There was a point where the agency had a shift towards younger military guys, away from the suits of Ivy Leaguespeople genuinely believe this obvious PR story?
I'm really impressed that you guys are also experts on internal CIA matters.
>>24841326Assassinations of dissidents, potentially ones we have never even heard, along with sleeper agent politicians.
>>24839935Crossing the Rubicon - book about the history of the CIA, their involvement in 9/11. Amazing book. White out - book about CIA involvement in drug running
>>24839935I read that book. It's a good intro to the CIA, but does not go into any detail about more covert actions from them. That Weiner guy is a spook himself
>>24839935Do you guys seriously think half the stuff in these books are true and not disinformation by bad faith actors (CIA themselves or others?)
>>24841892Thats what I meant with discerning truth in the first post, how can you determine whats what? And if you can't how can you sift through the bullshit?
>>24841326The main purpose i can see is a push for more gun control leading to militarization of police, increased government military authority over the people, and overall getting the public comfortable with such things
>>24841911You can't. That's the truth. This is just slop for spooky fun. I enjoy it as such but wouldn't bet my horses based on it.
>>24840506Whoa I didn't think abt that, thanks anon!!
>>24841924But at a certain point that way of thinking kind of becomes the sunk cost fallacy:"Theres no way to know for sure whats what so we sure give up trying"I would at least like to know more than nothing
>>24841934Than stay vigilant at exercise 150IQ moves, believe in all possibilities and none at the same time and move as if they are all false and all true. Make some historical connections of your own. Don't believe what any group, however niche, believes. Only unpopular ideas have bandwidth to be true.
>>24842043Real shit, thanks for the encouragement!
>>24842087Two more things: whenever something changes your mind think long and hard who it helps for you to believe it. And read intelligence defectors first, they could be disinfo but many of their predictions become true.
>>24842100>many of their predictions become true.Qrd?
>>24841924Read Lying and Politics by Hannah Arendt. This kind of acceptance of ignorance is the goal of every lying and corrupt government. It is possible to determine some truth and have an idea of events, it's just a pain in the ass and more work than most people want to do.
>>24842284I agree, I'm not saying no one should look into it but only a fraction of a fraction can put something together productively, those few cannot be discouraged from my comments, if it didn't come across, I'm one of them myself.
>>24840225A lot of those titles seem kind of alarmist. Not that the CIA isnt like to do dirty shit, just that I wouldn't suppose book titles like that to have even handed analysis.
>>24842433NTA, don’t be so epistemologically nihilistic, this is why scholarship across universities, private/gov institutions, private citizens, etc and archives exist. Sure there are plenty of epistemological gaps, but even at that gaps have outlines and said outlines point towards what’s missing/are the smoke from the missing gun. Simple inductive reasoning comes into play here and is the source of why people think Kennedy got killed by the CIA/mob for example. It’s only under Orwellian totalitarianism where true information is actively being destroyed and replace with trash that the floor of truth is destroyed
>>24842461This is my point personified, nothing any a significant group of people believe is accurate. Kennedy, afaicg, was killed for a good reason.
>>24840558Ironic considering their origins
>>24841021I wanted that. How good is it?
>>24841195You ever look into Harold Laswell's stuff
>>24839935Start with Wikileaks.
>>24843329I haven't read it yet, however I hope to get to it once I'm in the mood for additional CIA literature. What I can say though is that All the Shah's men (about the CIA coup in Iran in 1953) was written by the same author and that book is excellent, not too long and easy to read.
>>24839935not really CIA exclusive but Peter Dale Scott is one of the best I've read concerning parapolitics
>>24841326jeffrey epstein and sabrina carpenter
Understanding Power by Chomsky
Bump
>>24841326>but I fail to really see what scrambling some poor kids brain into committing random acts of violence on his community really accomplishes.The entire purpose of the Gladio years in europe (70s-90s) using both communist & neofash elements, 'serial killers' (mythological modern monsters), islamic terrorism (gladio B) in europe from the 90s onwards and school shooters once the serial killer well dried up is to prop up the idea that america & western europe are under siege, that you, your family and your neighbours could be killed at any moment. Same goes on today with these refugee and homeless negroes killing and raping left & right. Everything is done to usher in authoritarian and surveillance practices. Obviously nowadays it's ubiquitous and there's not much left for them to spy on since we all have a little tool in our pockets enabling the social media panopticon but talk to old guys about how free society used to be in the 60s-70s compared to now, from a surveillance and security standpoint. I know this might seem insane, our own states willingly engineering a series of barbaric events using people they've trained and mindbroken into being fall guys but in the grand scheme of things it makes perfect sense. If you poll people outside today I'm sure a majority would be down with having a chip implant or a China like social credit system if it meant less crime outside. This is what decades of manufactured terror led to
>>24846509well here's the problem with that thesis, America is kind of under siege currently, but not in the way you think it is.
>>24846534care to expand or you're just going to keep speaking in riddles
>>24846537you should read my blog, its riddles all the way downbut what I'm trying to say is look up collateral damage. the reason the west supports Israeli expansion is the same reason racists use to support tax cuts and driving up property values. I hate the left honestly, I'm reasonably racist myself but the only reason these two things are implemented is because the censors of history, the linguists and literary critics have made dust out of the Klan and the Nazis so bringing those back to solve modern day problems is politically verboten.
>>24841459>>24841724>>24841920>>24843884>>24846509Thanks for the input you all successfully talked me down from my schizo ledge. I no longer believe MKUltra managed to achieve anything beyond killing an elephant and melting a few brains here and there.
>>24847354You ought to read Dave McGowan's Programmed To Kill, the introduction is about mind control
>>24839935The CIA begins with the invention of nuclear weapons, I would start at the cold war. Historically subterfuge has always been a weapon in an army's arsenal, for example Phillip II paying off people to leave gates open and the khans spreading rumors that a opposing king has abondoned the city. But with atomic weapons subterfuge becomes the only weapon in your arsenal you can use without mutual annihilation. So I would start by studying the cold war and especially proxy wars like Korea and Vietnam, it should make it easier to spot today.
