Sff (self-important belief that ornate construction is good artistry and petulant frustration at not being taken seriously.)

>>24841921
the MFA

>>24841921
the autofellatio dude is fucking hilarious though. the op is clearly in the wrong and butthurt

>>24841921
Tolkein's resentment of Dune. He got filtered by its spartan prose and moral ambiguity in the same way OP is filtered by the autofellatio statue.

>>24841921
Oh hey someone made a statue of op

>>24841938
fpbp
/thread

>>24841921
>you can cause more asshurt by sucking yourself off than by fucking someone else
deep

>>24841921
OPs sculpture sucks

>>24841921
The left mogs his generic LOTR fantasy shit.

>>24841921
Childhood is seeing this as a deep commentary on the poor taste of liberal art curators.
Adulthood is knowing that he should be grateful for having his unfinished piece displayed at all.

>>24841921
when a culture values wierd uglly sutff , they do this type of stuff , this type of stuff is beutifull because of the retards that enjoy it.

its like a secret circus

>>24841921
>vulgar and autofellating
You're looking for Ulysses by James Joyce

One guy is trying to make people feel something with little thought put into it and the other guy used technical skill to create a dragon which is also uninspired just a harder thing to do. As far as artistic merit goes they deserve to be next to each other.

>>24841921
Finnegan's Wake

>>24841938
>Sff
What's that

>>24842252
Lol, okay

>>24841921
autofellatio piece is unironically way better. pose is dynamic, it's saying something even if you don't like it, but most importantly it's actually FINISHED.

>>24841921
The goal of modern art is to be destructive. Why has nobody told this poor faggot?

>>24842076
Real. OP didn't even finish and he thinks he has legs to stand on. I much rather observe the guy sucking himself off rather than the unfinished tree branch and clearly OP feels the same.

>>24842104
Oh fuck off

This thread is absolutely hilarious, not just because the lil sucky guy is funny but because /lit/ has just contrarianed itself into being the John Ruskin to its William Turner. Simply because of the way its circumstances have been presented to you.

The same great intellects that tell you to read utter shit like Moby Dick and Ulysses are telling you the crude autofellatio statue is meaningful art. Marvellous.

>>24842858
>i smeared shit on my face and you had a reaction
>this means I’m a Real Artist (tm)
You know if that was actually the point of art all the best art would just be unironic Hitler propaganda and violent videos of women being raped, because the reaction to either of those from the mainstream art goer is going to be magnitudes beyond what cans of shit or a pissoir or a white painting or a painting with a hole in it or whatever other dull trite “DUDE ANYTHING CAN BE ART, DID I SHOCK YOU???” genre content.
But then suddenly you’re not actually allowed to shock people.

Autofellatio guy didn't quite manage to reach the tip to so that he can suck himself off.
Dragon carver OP didn't quite manage to reach the tip so that he can suck himself off.
There's a reason the artworks are displayed in proximity.

No wonder he hates symbolism.

>>24843976
I'm saying they're both shallow.

>/lit/ cant appreciate craftmanship for the sake of craftmanship, but puts some value in the idea guy (fellatio statue)
I should have not been surprised, yet somehow I am.

>>24844340
Is art without craft/skill (ars) even art?

>>24844340
I can appreciate it. I don't appreciate the faggot in the image getting on his high horse over symbolism because for his art exhibit he made a pwetty dwagon.

>>24843888
>are telling you the crude autofellatio statue is meaningful art
Who is saying that?

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>>24842134
Can't /thread your own post, mon frere.

>>24843816
Nta but lel

>>24844340
I dont appreciate a half-finished job. No

>>24843888
>the crude autofellatio statue is meaningful art.
Nobody's saying that. People ITT are saying that carving a big dumbfuck dragon Because It Looks Cool isn't meaningful art either.
>>24844340
>craftmanship for the sake of craftmanship
It's wank. Art "criticism" that begins and ends with aesthetics and technical proficiency is for people without an internal monologue.

>>24844034
underrated

>>24844701
the meaning is on beauty itself, you sub-neanderthal

>>24844340
The end of the dragon's tail is the right shape and anyone could easily think that it isn't supposed to have scales.
If Tawm simply called his work finished no one would be using that as a reason why a gay porn statue is "better." >>24844437

>>24844819
>emotionally vacuous art is valuable because "Pretty thing GUD"
>calling anyone else a "sub-neanderthal"
We're reaching levels of midwit that shouldn't even be possible

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>>24842104
We'll never know exactly why Tolkien disliked Dune, all we have is speculation
Tolkien had a maddening habit of not disclosing his reasoning about many things

>>24841921
>>24843347
Paddy babble in general

>>24841921
>What’s the literary equivalent of this
Every fucking time I make a great, funny post, something that 10 years ago would've bathed me in keks and (you)s, but someone immediately after posts some bot tier thing and everyone replies to that post instead. Every single day this happens and it drives me so fucking mad. It's like everyone is out to bait a good post from me and then pretend they're ignoring my great post to reply to the most retarded bot post just to make me mad.

>>24841921
The Brothers Karamazov

>>24842104
Dune is entirely carried by its story. It fails at pretty much everything else that makes up literature, which is what Tolkien actually cares about. It's obvious to anyone who understands literature why he wasn't impressed.
I hear it also has good worldbuilding but I've never read anything beyond the first book.

>contrarians now start praising the shit on a canvas piece
I hope all the art you will get to enjoy in your lifetime will be AI generated LGBT propaganda of niggers with vitiligo eating tampons.

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>contrarians now start praising the shit on a canvas piece
I hope all the art you will get to enjoy in your lifetime will be AI generated LGBT propaganda of niggers with vitiligo eating tampons.

>>24845596
>It fails at pretty much everything else that makes up literature
Saying this simply exposes the total worthlessness of your opinion
Describe some of the color symbolism in Dune
Describe some of Dune's references to Shakespeare, Roman history, and the book of Ezekiel (that are not the product of you searching Reddit)
Expound on two references to Archimedes in Dune
Imagine being you, missing all of this (and probably everything else) in the book, yet somehow feeling qualified to judge something you don't even dimly understand

>>24846617
That's what I'm confused about. Why are these people here? They clearly hate art and only love being right. There's nothing of value here, or on the internet, and never again will be. Fuck all of you absolute cretins.

>>24846617
Who is praising it?

>>24846617
>>24846656
Go back to /v/. Shoo.

>>24846790
Never been. You /are/ aware that this place has been in free fall regarding quality discourse for years? Sure, 2017 might've been the end, but it's been getting worse faster than ever for the past couple. It's fucking over.

>>24846656
>>24846675
>>24846790
>all quoted me instead of the actual poster
ratiod

>>24844949
How do you know it's emotionally vacuous? You can't even see it

>>24841921
Morning Glory Milking Farm versus Ada or Ardor
>>24842736
>>24843347
>>24843888
People who missed the point.
All the books you mentioned are akin to the unfinished dragon: meticulously and impeccably written. People, especially people aspiring to be writers, should read them in order to see what's possible to do with language, instead of enjoying masturbatory, fellating, uroborically replicating crude slop.

>>24842104
>spartan prose
not only is it empty prose, it's bordering on purple when it chooses to be descriptive

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>>24843888
>>24843976
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>>24846617
Well well well looks like someone's failed to listen to Aristotle's principles on mimesis and general artistry again...
The guy sucking himself off is infinitly more beautiful and soulful because it reaches back towards actual lived human experience, filth, needless self pride and the constant high of validating oneself in a comical display of the soul, while dragons are just goofy little things from made up fantasy stories that people sculpt because they think it looks cool and nothing more. Platoists btfod again, welcome to the real world little twink my cock is actually the closest to its imaginary ideal form in the entirety of mankind rn and your mom, quite off shape from the ideal of a woman, is drooling all over it!!
>>24842717
As opposed to valuing shit that's not real? Dragons are weird and ugly too man I think they're gross ew lizards. What kind of retard would clap at a big flying lizard thing that barks fire that's so childish I would rather clap at the bloke sucking himself than an unfinished work (if you ever met an artist you would know their work is unfinished because actually OP was too busy doing stupid shit with his free time like drugs and chasing worthless woman instead of sculpting)

>>24847131
while I agree with you, you KNOW the museum set up the sculpture as a serious art piece in a way completely devoid of the comic reality. The people gently strolling through the displays are arent howling with laughter at the self-suckery, and would be likely removed from the galley if they dared display the emotions it was meant to evoke.

>>24847131
>anime pfp
>shit taste
Classic. For real though, the self-suck is cheap and lazy and is art in the same way that a kick to the balls is. That is to say: not at all.

>>24847131
>Platoists btfod again, welcome to the real world little twink my cock is actually the closest to its imaginary ideal form in the entirety of mankind rn and your mom, quite off shape from the ideal of a woman, is drooling all over it!!
Why are aristotelians like this? Why are they amongst some of the most schizophrenic, degenerate, offputting and outright alarming posters on this board?

>>24847156
I think it wouldn't be as comical if it wasn't taken as a serious art piece, if anything the fact the museum staff being partially oblivious and believing the statue represents some shit about capitalism or whatever the fuck only makes it even fucking funnier, I even doubt it would be funny if it was included in a proper comedic context instesd of a serious art gallery managed by snobs and halflings
>>24847172
It is cheap and lazy, I ain't saying it's profound, but it is art
Trying to put a label on what is art and what is not is redundant and starts needless bullshit discussions on the nature of art, just say it's bad shitty meaningless art it spares everyone mental headaches and gymnastics, specially since the most uncultured ungrateful distasteful slob of the barn drowning in shit swines are the ones who always claiming "X is not art" while having no understanding of art history. Claiming something is bad art is actually more meaningful than claiming it's not art because it's easier to set a standart on what's good and bad art to what art even is
The fact that the dicksuck sculpture is lazy and shit only makes the dragon seethe even more hilarious and his uneven (and quite frankly SHIT) artwork look even worst. Dicksuck guy obviously didn't have a compromise with realism or proportions while anon brags about scales and the time he took on them WHILE THEY STILL LOOK LIKE UNEVEN SHIT. Like cmon if you're doing a "craftsmanship for craftsmanship's sake" sculpture ya better be fucking great at said craftsmanship you set yourself for standarts you can't even achieve. Dicksuck is both pretentious, simple, cheap and self aware while OP brags about things that aren't even real be it dragons or his sculpting skills
>pfp
Of course it's always the tourists saying this shit, anime website fuckboy come lay on my lap I will do ya a real nice introduction on the racist mongolian eagle training website while your bumhole's out
>>24847175
Big dick is still in town

>>24847175
Because they didnt read him.

>>24847131
anime avatar creep actually makes a good point for once wow

>>24847219
Yeah unfortunately

>>24842858
This, it was actually a brilliant artistic choice juxtaposing the two pieces. It's like the professor knew that faggot OP was a tryhard who couldn't see the artistic forest for the trees and so shoved it in is face, only for OP to throw a tantrum and prove the professor correct.

>>24847229
Kek

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>>24842858
There's something expressive about the autofellating guy, even if it's crude. The hapless, awkward position matching the clumsiness of the technique would be hard to recapture. Sometimes it's more impressive when someone captures the essence of something simply than a skilled artist producing something detailed and ornate.

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>>24847249
the technique is actually underrated. look how the left knee is not touching the ground. look at the contorted position. if u've been to the met, they have a cabinet of studies from rodin's workshop and there's some stuff in it that has a similar texture. it's obv partly an homage to rodin.

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>>24847131
As expected of homosexual, likely transexual, cock gobbler.
Art is etymologically related to craft.
There's more craft in that unfinished dragon tail than in the disgusting shapeless object that makes your dick go boing boing because it reminds of things that happen on Berghain's dancefloor or the thing your father made you watch when you a toddler.
A traditionalist will understand that makes art art is beauty and skill. There's a reason why the majority of educated and retarded people enjoy art made before the 20th century rather than the mental contortions of homosexual academics. Even homosexual men would rather look at Greek sculptures and Renaissance painting and pre-modern Japanese pictures than look at that kitsch and style-less and ugly filth (that only an anime watching troon like you, hating beauty because you're uglier than Jeet shit, can actually enjoy).
A postmodern artist, lacking IQ for skillfull execuation, carrying a wound that does not heal between his legs, makes shit and then manipulates, in true mentally ill BPD troon fashion, the words art and museum and beauty to fit his object of "art" into a museum.

>>24847351
>father made you watch when you a toddler
Kek, what?

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>>24847351
>buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword I spend a fuck load of time online and don't have a proper vocabulary because the only things I read are on twitter buzzword buzzword
>Immediatly taking it personally and insulting me based on his own delusions
>AI google search
>Beauty is le objective
If you appreciated form so much I think ya would recognise the dragon is pretty shit looking, all the rough edges and uneven ends remind me of african or american indian tribal tools they made when bored because they had a good hunt. The cocksuck artist ironically has a better understanding of form and sculpting than dragon tree man and the way he shaped hos sculpture fits perfectly with the type of archetype he is attempting to produce, a dim witted, shallow, crude and simple man sucking his own dick violently and haphazardly, it invokes exactly what the artist meant it should invoke and twists shapes into a mirror of the mental image of said self fellating bloke much like expressionist art should, it ultimately captured said archetype better than if it actually was a full blown realistic sculpture.
>beauty and skill. There's a reason why the majority of educated and retarded people enjoy art made before the 20th century rather than the mental contortions of homosexual academics.
Most people prefer Starry Night over the Mona Lisa. People love impressionism and expressionism way more than hyper realism. Contemporary art is filled with hhacks who try to make everyday objects art for money laundering, true, but that doesn't take it away from the fact that realism is really boring to some people. There are a fuckload of chinese artists out there who can paint a dress down to it's fabric but doesn't seem to evoke as much praise from people as partially out of shape and emotionally strong figures like those from the 20th century expressionists or the surrealists
Im a straight french man by the way sweetheart im sorry you're too online and spend way too much time thinking about obnoxious trans people when most people, myself included, have never even met one. Skillful execution doesn't make one's art immediatly good specially if said skill is as half assed as dragon "missing in technical skills" guy's, who somehow got bested by a cheap marble slop sculpture from some dude who likely does heroine or something in a cubicle apartment while jerking off all day, it's profoundly embarassing really.

>>24847351
NTA. I have no background in painting or sculpture but it seems to me that the two pieces are trying to do different things. The self suck sculpture "means" something or can be interpreted as expressing ideas, just as symbols do. One interpretation might be that art is a form of masturbation. I might disagree or dislike the piece but I can see that is a statement of some sort. On the other hand, the dragon tail is seemingly not made to express something but to be beautiful or show craftsmanship. Meaning, beauty, and craftsmanship each have their merits and are complementary but are not necessarily mutually dependent. The intent of the two pieces seem different so why judge them by the same criteria? The tail is made to be beautiful so judge it on the basis of its beauty, the self suck is made to express an idea so judge it on the merit of the idea and its execution, imo. What do you think?

>>24847351
that nonce jacks off to furry shit. dont waste time

>>24847439
>straight french man
Nta but there is no such thing kek

>dicksucker team
>well-reasoned, articulate posts, possess a sense of humor, genuine artists and woodworkers (obvious to them why the dragon is unimpressive)
>dwagon team
>histrionic whining, repressed sexuality, bitter posts oozing with cross-board language, have never stepped foot in a lumber yard

>>24841921
>symbolism as a concept just PISSES ME OFF
this is a guy who studied art history

wonder where he is now

>>24841921
David Foster Wallace

>people calling the dragon shit
>can't even actually see the dragon
Why?

>>24847794
Having a real job, hopefully.

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Wow this is literally art

Literally says alot about our society

>>24844984
how does a wooden dragon represent an autobiography?
in this metaphor the dragon would be a real, non-porn fantasy novel

>>24841921
Books like this?

>>24846643
>there's some references and pretty descriptions in it so it must have literary value or something
This is the guy calling your favorite book shit

>>24847842
You chuds are STILL seething about this

The purpose of art is to communicate beauty. Just as prose and imagery are the most important parts of any written work, so too is visual appeal the most important part of sculpture. The dicksucking statue fails as art because it's ugly. There's no point in taking its symbolism into consideration because it's ugly, and by this token we may rest assured that any deeper meaning it might contain will be bad for the mind and soul. Even if by some small chance this wasn't the case, it would be far more rewarding to find a work that actually possesses beauty and consider that work's meaning instead.
The dragon may be shallow, but because it possesses more visual beauty it comes nearer to the purpose of art and is thus the better work. You wouldn't spend much time considering it, but that time would be considerably more enjoyable for any well-ordered mind than looking at the dicksucking statue.
The /lit/ equivalent to this is therefore the fact that GRRM and Dunsany are both classified within the same "fantasy" genre. On the one hand you have GRRM's sparse, ugly prose designed to carry a bleak, ugly message. You spend several years on his books only to realize that they'll never come to a point that was worth all the effort. On the other hand we have Dunsany's short works of prose poetry: too short and simple to contain any but the most basic messages, but written in beautiful language and conveying imagery which genuinely delight and edify the mind's eye and ear to behold.

People underrate art's possibilities for humor. It doesn't even factor into their brain that not everything is meant to be taken 100% seriously.

>>24848276
>can't faithfully represent a position
you are shit

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>>24848541
Putting a bunch of aimless references doesn't make a book good retard. I read Hunchback of Notre-Dame a while ago and it was beaming with quality even though all the references went over my head. Now that's fucking literature. Dune is a gay hylic attempt at religious criticism and is entirely carried by its story ideas. Its vague inclusion of Islamic concepts also reminds me of Evangelion, another overrated piece of shit, and its aimless use of Christian symbolism. You're supposed to know what you're writing about, you know?

>>24848420
I think the problem is that we just don't expect "art" (painting and sculpture) to be comedic. Sure, we hear about how postmodernism uses parody and irony constantly, but it's always presented as if the art is still supposed to be deep (even intentional lack of depth is presented as depth). And so a huge problem with all traditional visual arts becomes that they're detached from contemporary culture. A painting can't just be funny or pretty or cool, it has to be "meaningful". Meanwhile, nontraditional art that people post on twitter and even ai art gets appreciated by the wider public. This appreciation might be extremely surface level, but still.
I guess it's hard to laugh at a sculpture of guy sucking himself off in a gallery unless you know that you're allowed to.

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A lot of people are equating the dragon tail with craftsmanship/quality but it doesn't even look particularly good. Sure it took more time but both of those sculptures look like students with a similar level of expertise made it. Why are we mistaking ambition with technical prowess? If anything the autofellatio guy succeeded in creating his vision and seems to understand more about himself and his art than OP.

>>24841921
My reaction to both pieces :

1. Dragon's Tail : I don't understand the appeal of the fantasy world, including dragons. I don't read books that have made up worlds or dictionaries and glossaries in the back. Isn't the real world varied enough to be interesting? Why make up stories about creatures that don't exist. And certainly why would someone spend all that time whittling away some intricate FAKE tail.

2.The naked dude makes me feel like crap. You see...my dick is about 4 3/4 inches. Sure, I round up and call it average. Now, not being as dick-aware as the average male today, I thought everyone masturbated with a thumb and two fingers. To see someone use a hand to grasp half their dick and still have more dick showing makes me feel INADEQUATE - OK. And then what's even more inadequate is that even if I gave up pursuing girls (probably should) and studied Harry Karishna YOGA - I would still NEVER be able to suck my own dick.

The only solution is for someone to pull down that FAKE tail and use it to chop that dick off like early Christians did to all those Roman statues.

>>24847774
We are all dicksuckers aspiring to become or viewing ourselves as dwagons...

>>24848306
In a thousand years people will read about crap like that and deny that it even happened and call it low IQ anti-liberal propaganda spread by people like me wanting to heap abuse on the preceding failed state by making things up which are clearly absurd. I seethe about it now, but you will be seething about it until the ends of time when it delegitimises the liberal and postmodern project forever.

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>>24849225
Ya know artstyles don't just fade away, right? There are still countless incredibly skilled hyper realist artists who get attention in the right circles and have their work sold and out out into exhibits for critics and the like to see the same way there are impressionist artists, baroque leaning artists and the like, right? The real issue here is that postmodern art, particulary object art, those goofy paintings of someone who just draws a circle or something and the like all make for extraordinarily easy ways for money laundering specially for people who invest in imaginary capital and need somewhere physical and reliable to dump it on that isn't necessarily property given those require a higher cost to maintain. Some people eat that shit up. The art world is full of hacks who make money off posing objects as art, something Duchamp himself mocked and made fun of but people are too dense to realise that. I feel the artworld is slowly moving away from those as im seeing more and more expressionist works, though that might just be me looking for my particular areas of interest, as the goofy exhibits with like idk coke cans or plastic bottles are completely empty. Personally I don't think art will forget this movement because I have seen some genuinenly neat object artwork here and there but it will become stale and inevitably make way for the NEW BIG THING when a group of artists starts the NEW BIG THING, likely opposing the CURRENT BIG THING thematically because everyone sensible in the artworld is tired of this nonsensical nonsense, these types of artwork will still stick around but probably receive a quality filter nkw that they're no longer the norm

>>24848642
Gross gif dude

>>24848642
>You're supposed to know what you're writing about, you know?
you clearly don't, but Herbert did
there's more than one scholarly paper detailing his use of Arabic terminology, including a linguistic joke that wouldn't be seen without investigation
and, apart from his well-known borrowings from Sabres of Paradise, it is possible to trace at least three other books he read about Islam from the medieval period to the present, and also the exact printing of the Qur'an he used as a reference
you're a fucking retard

>>24849225
Clueless

>>24848712
>If anything the autofellatio guy succeeded in creating his vision and seems to understand more about himself and his art than OP.
Pseudbabble

>>24841938
You take the other sculpture seriously? Also, what is good art?

>>24842717
Maybe. But it's also driven largely by egalitaian massification and the meaningless human impetus for recognition. This leads to competition and people will constantly seek to change the game so as to milk more recognition from more people with the least amount of difficulty and little artistic skill. Skill is now something relegated more to industry than art.

>>24844701
>Art "criticism"
Is meaningless drivel written by people who are just trying to come up with the most ridiculous takes and theses possible which will give them the recognition needed to stroke their worthless egos, despite the fact that they ultimately have nothing to offer and one could theoretically kill them and it would be as ethically inconsequential as putting a piece of loaf in the oven.

>>24848712
Ambition?
1. What is the ambition in sculpting a guy fellating himself
2. Why does ambition matter at all to art? Ambition for what? Stroking one's ego?

>>24847131
In the time of the ancient greeks, "art" meant "skill" and it did not have the puffed up definition it has now for the purpose of stroking off the egos of some unskillful hacks who just want recognition with minimal effort.

>>24849612
Good art is anything which strikes out against beauty and degrades the so-called "culture".
That self suck sculpture is exemplary, and ideally placed! It reveals the dragon-sculptor as the ineffectual pseud cuck that he is. A brilliant commentary worthy of True Art!

>>24849645
>Good art is anything which strikes out against beauty and degrades the so-called "culture".
How do you know this? Also, are you saying that the sculpture is not beautiful and uncultural? Do you think that it is not acceptable for you to suck your small penis?

>>24849645
>Good art is anything which strikes out against beauty and degrades the so-called "culture".
What a non-definition.
Here is the only workable definition for art which can be tested and proven

Art (n.): a temporarily tolerated inefficiency in the process of converting sentient matter into marketable distraction

>>24849666
>distraction
No

>>24843353
Lurk nore

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>>24844701
>Because It Looks Cool isn't meaningful art either.
That's where you're wrong, kiddo

>>24849677
Yes. Art is nothing more than mindless entertainment for animals who crave it.

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>>24849627
BRVTAL TRVKE
>>24849644
I ain't talking linguistics im talking Aristotle and even though he wrote those principles in regards mainly to theater and poetry he also cleared out they should be applied to painting, sculpting and hell even music. Read champ
>>24849645
Boriiiiiiiiiing and stupiiiiiiiid definition!! Good art is when an artwork achieves what it's meant to evoke and display while great art is not only good but also directly replicates that which is key to human experience in an insightful way making us grow as people by reflecting what the world and it's people are via the artist's personal vision, it adds to us. The dragon is none of the above while the cocksucker achieves it's intent and speaks to the human condition but it does so in a superficial and shockjockey way, it's as if I started a exhibition making cum tributes out of paintings of all the greek muses and putting them in a line. Sure I achieved my intention and spoke something about the experience of what artistry (specially female focused art) is but I didn't really say anything profound or great. These simple definitions have been set for thousands of years and have been objectivly right in defining every last one of the greats be it in literature, cinema, art, sculpting and so on but yall still decide to stick to "muh beauty" and "muh anti beauty", so close minded you foul lot
>>24848719
Profound and thought provoking, thank you

>>24849585
if you're not a creative then you wouldn't get it.
>>24849634
You seemed to misunderstand, I'm call the dragon ambitious but amateurish, and yes we agree, ambition doesn't equal quality which is why OP should get off his high horse about comparing his sculpture to the other.

People who say
>duh, but real life is already betterer and more various than the sff
Have never read A Voyage to Arcturus. SFF can actually get at more fundamental things that is concealed by the mundane.

>>24849917
I'm an actual (good) creative which is how I know you have no idea what you're talking about kek

>>24849938
please share

>>24848712
>A lot of people are equating the dragon tail with craftsmanship/quality
I assumed there was a whole ass dragon outside of the picture and we were just seeing the tail / a branch?

The left is more interesting than the boring ass dragon

>>24841921
every feminist that gets published

>>24850314
yeah, interesting is a code word for garbage

Dragon: Dune
Dick sucking guy: Game of Thrones

>>24849612
I didn‘t say that and the implications of you mentally inserting that I did are funny.

>>24849776
HARUHI WAS A BORING SHOW ABOUT A STUCK UP CUNT AND LUCKY STAR IS FUCKING SHIT FOR REFERENCING IT

>>24850314
its not even a dragon, its just a dragon tail LMAO

>>24849258
Is that why he so embarrassingly couldn't figure out that the pre-deterministic nature of the world repeated ad infinitum in Islam made it impossible for such a force of nature religion to go off the rails? That alone threw his attempt at sounding like a big boy out the fucking window.

>>24850959
Not just Islam but pretty much every religion out there I should say.

>>24841921
Fun but crude web novels VS Artistic but pretentious trad pub

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>>24841921
When I am Emperor, I will have every left wing pig dragged from his home and beaten to death with an oar. Every tooth, every bone, broken. If there are children or women in the house, they will be made to watch as the men are savagely, viciously beaten to death while they blubber and plead for their lives. Then, the corpses will be decapitated, and their heads will be transported all to a single place, somewhere tectonically stable, arid--maybe Nevada, or Utah. And the skulls will be stacked in a great pyramid, fixed in place with mortar. And this pile by my estimation will contain (eventually) some 50-million-odd skulls, which would make it somewhere in the region of 250,000 cubic meters in size which would be approximately the size of the Pyramid of Menkure. The women will then be sold into sex slavery and the children given over to the military to be sterilized and raised as shock troops for my vast armies.

Now, when this is done, we will institute new and important laws, the first of which is that anyone producing any art of any kind which is exposed to the public may be sued if it is ugly, and there shall be councils, made up exclusively of white male bodybuilders who have written doctorate level dissertations on Schiller's Aesthetics, who will sit on these councils, and if they should find that a piece of artwork is degenerate or ugly, the artist will be ritually beaten to death on the spot with oars kept in storage from the initial purge. This will also apply to music, video games, poetry, and of course literature.

Of course additional Left Wing Pigs (male) will eventually be born or develop as a result of child abuse or hormone imbalances. These will be kept in special camps, so that whenever any person runs for political office, or is made an officer of the law or in the military, they may ritually kill a Left Wing Pig with a knife as proof of their commitment to the nation and to beauty.

>>24851337
Imagine typing all that thinking someone's going to read it. I shiggy diggy.

>>24851351
I read it.

>>24851337
If you made a concrete pyramid and then faced it with skulls you could probably get it up to the size of the GPG. You want it to be visible from space I assume, so maybe space them a bit.

>>24849644
after the industrial revolution, craftsmen and artisans were not as needed to create basic goods and so they turned their attention to intellectual/aesthetic goals. The focus of art became conceptual rather than purely about the techinal skill of the craftsmanship. Of course this resulted in a ton of pretentious wankery, but I don't think it's a bad thing that art has more conceptual aims now

>>24843976
You're acting like no artist believes those things.
You don't remember the claim that 9/11 was art in the most technical sense of the word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Stockhausen#11_September_attacks
>Well, what happened there is, of course – now all of you must adjust your brains – the biggest work of art there has ever been. The fact that spirits achieve with one act something which we in music could never dream of, that people practise ten years madly, fanatically for a concert. And then die. [Hesitantly.] And that is the greatest work of art that exists for the whole Cosmos. Just imagine what happened there. There are people who are so concentrated on this single performance, and then five thousand people are driven to Resurrection. In one moment. I couldn't do that. Compared to that, we are nothing, as composers. [...] It is a crime, you know of course, because the people did not agree to it. They did not come to the "concert". That is obvious. And nobody had told them: "You could be killed in the process."

>Litizens unironically defending and even praising the crude sculpture of a guy sucking his own dick
Pottery

>>24851610
These are the sorts of people who enjoy webnovels.

>>24844034
Finally someone with something novel to say