ye olde: >>24835665Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs).https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Thread Question:What's your favourite decade of sci-fi?
The Lord of the Rings is not merely a story about good triumphing over evil — it is a theological fever dream of racial purification masquerading as high fantasy. Beneath the pastoral pipe-weed and the quaint Shire cheer lies a myth of moral and racial hygiene so absolute that it annihilates nuance itself. Tolkien’s world is divided not by ideology or class, but by blood and essence. Elves are angelic, Men are fallible but redeemable, Dwarves are stubborn craftsmen — and Orcs? Orcs are the damned: industrial, faceless, and irredeemably other.The orcs are the colonized, the enslaved, the dark-skinned laborers of Middle-earth’s moral economy. Created through torture and corruption — a mythic eugenics parable — they are denied even the possibility of grace. Their every act is wicked by nature, their voices a cacophony, their speech mocked as gibberish. They are the brown masses upon which the shining West defines itself. When the “Free Peoples” march to destroy Sauron, they are not liberating Middle-earth; they are enacting a crusade of cleansing, a pogrom sanctified by divine light.The destruction of the Ring — the so-called victory of Good — is the moment of absolute spiritual colonization. The Ring, symbol of power, desire, and autonomy, is cast into the fire not to save the world but to reaffirm that no subaltern hand may ever wield mastery. Power itself must be destroyed rather than allowed to fall into the “wrong” hands, meaning of course, the hands of the impure. Frodo’s journey is not redemptive; it is penitential, a pilgrimage of racial purity culminating in the ritual erasure of the very possibility of orcish sovereignty.And the aftermath? Mordor burns, its peoples slaughtered without mercy. The text offers no mourning, no remembrance, no funerary honor — because in Tolkien’s theology, the orc is not a being but a blasphemy. The “new age” of Men is nothing less than the triumph of a monotheistic, agrarian, Euro-Christian order over the polytheistic, industrial, and “sin-stained” pagan realm. The orcs’ defeat is genocide written as eschatology — the total obliteration of the racialized Other as the final step toward divine harmony.The world ends in pastoral silence, the machines stopped, the forges quenched, the “monstrous” races vanished. It is the peace of the grave — the dream of a racially and spiritually pure world. And in that silence, one can almost hear the ghosts of the orcs whispering: We were here! You just called it evil.
are all the eragon books good or do they drop off?just started reading the first book and is pleasantly surprised
MALAZAN IS DOGSHIT
>>24846313 Based
>>24846291 The fist one released when I was in middle school and I enjoyed reading them every release. Can’t say I’m looking to read them again as an adult.
>>24846313I disagree but let’s move on to another topic. How’s your mother?
>>24846313filtered
>>24846281SAM
>>24846291They are derivative slop but they can be enjoyable if you switch your mind off to it. They do improve a bit but not massively.
>>24845931>YA? But it wasn't told from first-person perspectivewhat does that have to do with anything>good half of the words in the books are Jordan describing clothes or the environment with autistic detailDescribing things is not a criteria. Not only that, I didn’t even notice the descriptions being excessive. Redwall describes food in autistic detail and it is made of children (though Redwall was actually a good YA book)>You can call it derivative or boringYes >hardly YAIt’s literally teen angst chosen one but also your teen angst friends are also powerful chosen ones complete with push pull teen romance and does (s)he like me omg and also your whole small town is secretly badass and your dad was a master swordsman and I just don’t care. If it’s not made for children then that’s a major fuckup because there is no subject I could care less about than teenagers trying to figure out how to talk to girls.
>>24846281what’s that hook thing on the spas 12?
>>24846291Theyre books for children, do you enjoy reading YA? If you do youll enjoy them.
>>24846384I'm still reading the first book (19/24). I pretty much enjoy itIt's a fun and easy (compared to the main ten and those Tiste books) read so far. The Teblor POV is very goodThe new marines are funny, though some of the jokes didn't land on meNew lore on the Jheck. A brief glimpse of Icarium's new warren. Also, new godsSometimes he went a bit too far with the fanservice imo but ehh some may enjoy itI haven't got to the war stuff yet, but it's SE's strong point so I don't think it will disappoint methe book is also self-contained. So far there is only one "the fuck does that even mean" scene
I like D&D novels
>>24846387folding stock
>>24846291I reread them ahead of the new one (Murtagh) last year and the first two were still comfy and fun slop. The third and fourth one made me want to kms with how atrociously bad and bloated they were. Murtagh was shit as well, had to force myself to finish it.
fantasy for this feel?
Im not enjoying this book. Im at page 200 and almost nothing has happened and he could have easily summarised those 200 pages in around 40. Are all Iain M Bank's books as boring and disorganised as this one?
>>24846313It's worse than dogshit.
>>24846481Ok so Iain M Banks 'scifis' are mostly an excerise in world building with a bit of character development, and he does tend to meander a bit. Also I have a feeling that his later book were edited a lot less. Consider Phlebas and Player of Games most likely had editors that chopped off a lot of the chaff, and The Algebraist was written on the cusp of this stopping. If you want to continue I think the Algebraist picks up about half way through if I recall. The needle like ships which mechanically compact down with crew safely inside to traverse wormholes a few metres across, and the ensuing chaos when they arrive is a memorable moment.
I finished A Night in the Lonesome October. Lots of fun and lots of references to uncover, as expected of Zelazny, although it made me realise that reading one chapter a day is really not for me. I really enjoyed Snuff as our POV, especially when he tried to pretend he was a dumb dog or discovered incredible human tricks like opening doors (like a dumb dog). The Great Detective was an unexpected favourite as well, seeing how I never cared about Holmes. I enjoyed the chapter about Snuff's kidnapping and the one featuring Kadath the best. Great way of combining dark comedy with genuine tense moments and a dash of the surreal. The ending felt a bit abrupt, but it was worth it for the dumb pun.
>>24846655Im halfway through so I might as well continue. His prose isnt bad at all, and he is quite funny but the book could have benefited from a good editor.
Any recommendations for books like Reverend Insanity?>>24846281the spas 12 is a total piece of shit I don't know why it's so popular
>>24846751cause it looks cool genius
>>24846856It looks like the piece of shit it is.
>>24846751>the spas 12 is a total piece of shit I don't know why it's so popularSaid the RIfag.
Why is wng being repeatedly nuked?
>>24846913Probably some new janny going above and beyond for their pay, or they really hate webnovels for done reason
>>24846700I finished it yesterday too! It will be my go to yearly October read.
>>24846481if you can't make it through the algebraist of all things, you just shouldn't be reading. shouldn't be allowed to read. or do much of anything.
>>24847021>Probably some new janny going above and beyond for their payHow much do they get paid?
What am I in for? I hear from the ether that it's peak modern fantasy. Whatever '" peak modern fantasy written post 2010s" means. I take that with a handful of salt.
>>248470430 dollars
>>24847045>peak modern fantasy written post 2010s" means.trash. it means trash.
>>24846289orcs are supposed to be asians
>>24846289imagine publicly identifying yourself as an orc
>>24847028Its Banks' worst book. 500 pages could have been summarized into 50.
>>24847045>>24847050is it pozzed?
>>24847144It is Banks' best book by a longshot.
>>24847149
>>24846289Are the Orcs meant to be German, because there is nothing industrious about blacks or browns...
>>24847049what is that in pesos
>>24846481>Im at page 200 and almost nothing has happenedAre you me? The only SF book by him I liked was Feersum Endjinn although I skipped the TXT chapters.Anyway, Brits can't write space opera and Banks is a good example of it.
>>24846655>Consider Phlebas and Player of Games most likely had editors that chopped off a lot of the chaff>mfw those two books already had a lot of chaff
>>24847189While I agree with you on The Algebraist being trash, I think some British SF authors cab write decent space opera , e.g. Reynolds and Adam Roberts.
>>24847191Should The Culture novels be read in order of publication? Ive been told you can start anywhere with them and theyre not really related.
>>24847237I haven't read them and I don't think I'll like them. Stephen Baxter I want to read, since he's a disciple of Arthur C. Clarke and that makes me hopeful.>>24847243No idea, but do that just in case.
Hey again /sffg/. Been out a while. What's new with you?You all up on the Feral Historian? Really love his takes.
>>24847272Ron Howard?
Is it worth the read?
>>24847315Never heard of it. Hope this helps.
>>24847315((Silverberg)) Is generally really good. And he's written like 3 great sff
>>24847152>containment thread for litrpg indian botnet posts totally irrelevant to a dead board and a dead medium>thread regulars read at a 5th grade levelchecks out, but sometimes I forget.
>>24846374That guy doesn't know what YA is, but neither do you. It's really telling that you can read 2 books of Wheel of Time and the only thing you take away from it is "angst" and "teen romance" when 90% of the book is adventure.
>>24847315dont know but the cover looks kino
>>24847315 Overrated and is only famous because he's jewish.
>>24847315It's great, short and pyschedelic but it doesn't go totally off the deep end like his Son of Man
Anyone read his new novella?
>>24846313TRVKE. It's entirely a vehicle for 1) the author's trash D&D setting all his friends were obviously tired of hearing about and 2) his fat fetish.
>>24846289>Tolkien’s world is divided not by ideology or class, but by blood and essence.Just like real life, you fucking retarded communist.
>>24847417>it’s adventure For children.
>>24847514https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24767428#p24774827
>>248473151960s and 1970s Silverberg is great.
>>24846913>mod deleting generalsHe'll probably lose his mod status for actually enforcing quality on this website. Like modcat. If only he'd do the same to /sffg/.
>>24846913One spamtranny from here started creating duplicate threads so now janny is banning them on sight
>>24847810>enforcing qualityFrog posts still stay up. You have to be kidding me.
Have you considered Red Rising?
>>24847514Just finished it. Liked it a lot. But I'm a sucker for feudal future/ancient relics.
>>24848534WHAT'S IN THE BOX?!
>>24848568 https://youtu.be/Rt0spqQtMKg
>>24847315kino
I always see this guy in the b section on used book stores while I look Bakker stuff. Is his stuff any good?
>>24846418same
>>24846387>A unique feature of the folding-stock variants is the butt hook. With the stock extended, the hook can be pushed in and turned 90 degrees to the left or right, to fit under the user's forearm. This is to enable the shotgun to be fired with one hand; e.g. while abseiling/rappelling, or from a vehicle window while driving. The hook can be released from the buttplate completely by turning 180 degrees. it's a pistol brace
I’m almost done writing my first novel and my biggest fear is that when it’s done, and out in the world, nobody will care.
>>24849087>writing for others and commercial success/recognitionngmi
>>24848246Kys
I finished Dogsbody. It was all right, definitely a children's book, so not for me. It started off strong and the beginning where we see the world through dog eyes was interesting and touching, but then the story lost its charm to me and I can't even tell why. While it did touch on some serious topics, I feel that it was limited by its intended readership, so the writer couldn't really explore them as they deserved to be.I didn't really care about those topics myself, but enjoyed the concept of the luminaries, their relation to Earth, the nature-mythology connection. Pity it was underused, but then again, the focus was on something else. Who knows, maybe I would have enjoyed it more if I were younger.
Looking for some good short story collection recommendations. Fantasy and Scfi
>>24849311Arcanum UnboundedBy Brandon "Lord Ruler" Sandersson
>>24849311The Cosmere by Brandon Sanderson(PBUH).
>>24849311Picrel is kino scifi, all short stories.
>>24849087You shouldn't worry about that - it's almost assuredly the case. Unless you're incredibly lucky, your first book will launch to only a handful of readers, even if you do all the marketing right. If you do it right, the next one will launch to more, and the one after that even more, and your backbook will grow in popularity with each release as well.You'll likely never make more than pocket change with it, even if traditionally published.
>>24848907 Not sure if the author is a man or a woman.
>>24849311pick up anything edited by Gardner Dozois with the word "best" in the title and you're probably in for kino
>>24846289One of the most ringing endorsements of Tolkien ever written. Let us not forget that in his much-vaunted response to Nazi Germany, his FIRST action was to scrupulously deny Jewish ancestry before protesting the question having ever been asked.Tolkien truly was the Sam Hyde of the 20th century, complete with developing a secret language only he and his select few friends could speak.
>>24846289Any books where orcs/orc-like creatures rape whitx women? Looking for a new book to goon to
Is it weird to want to put science (not like twenty page long explanations of how elf sperm is different than human sperm), but stuff where your noggin might jog for a second, in fantasy?
>>24849984Supplementary question to this one, any books where male humans wrestle and dominate orc women who are bigger than them? Bonus points if they are short kings.
Should I give Tawny Man a shot if I enjoyed most of the Farseer trilogy but hated the ending?
>>24849984Mary Gentle's Grunts has orcs stealing cursed weapons from a dead dragon's horde. The curse turns the thieves into the people the dragon stole the weapons from. The weapons were stolen from the United States Marine Corps. The orcs proceed to rape every elf and halfling woman and child they encounter, as the story spirals out of control and peters out most unsatisfyingly, but you do get your cuck fantasy, so don't complain to me about the rest of it.
>>24850055I'd say so but I liked the whole Fitz series. The last trilogy is a bit shit though
>>24850074Elves are immortal Aryan warriors, one should be worth ten or fifteen piggers in a fair fight.
>Niven will die before we ever get another Ringworld novel
Just finished this book, only took about 2 or so hours. I enjoyed the imagery of the mythological creatures and how it intertwined with the characters and all, but it wasn't my thing. Good short read though.
>>24850424movie is cool check it out. Especially the effects and yellow face. Was same guys that did the Star Wars effects a few years later.
>>24849311The Martian Chronicles are great if you've never read it.
>>24850423I hope he doesn't.
Why do I never see /sffg/ talk about Weis+Hickman? Are they really that obscure?
>>24850423This was the comfiest scifi novel I've read in a very long time.
>>24850457I've read the Bronze Canticles by Tracy and Laura Hickman. It was a long time ago, now. I thought it was very cool to tell a story across 3 different worlds which were layered over one another.
>>24847532Most of his readership, which numbers in the millions, are adults who read him as adults. His books are also marketed to adults. So you're wrong in every sense, but undoubtedly in the character of this place you will insist you are correct regardless of objective reality. You call his books childish based on nothing but your own warped view of maturity which is likely so laughable you will not dare articulate it here.
>>24850457If it's not on tik-tok it doesn't get discusses.
>>24850423what is there left to write about the thing?
>>24850479Ummm... it's literally absurdly, insanely massive. You could make any story about exploring it and finding weird, interesting shit on it.
>>24850487don't make me tap the sign
>>24850495What sign? There is no sign.
>>24850503>>24850487someday I'll finally get around to writing my magnum opus about a company of batshit crazy mercenaries exploring a ringworld built by aboleths.
>>24850217tfw ten elves, who have collectively trained for like three hundred years, die to a single musket shot
>>24850423Niven is still alive? Holy shit. I read that one where the guy gets put in a new body and shot off into space but intentionally fucks up his trajectory, so they Email his manager's soul to him and it ends up possessing the ship and then they crash back on Earth 10 billion years in the future and it's like Lord of the Flies but with more sex.Thought it was pretty cool, always upset he didn't continue that one.
>>24850531>D&D slop mentioned Lame.
>>24850540Plunging fire wasn't really a thing until cartridge rifles entered the scene, a musket might (rarely) kill two guys standing in a row. Musketeers stood in ranks.Now while we would assume that an elf with a bow would mog a musketeer absolutely, it would depend, obviously. The duskier and browner the musketeer, the more extreme his mogging would necessarily be. Swarthoids are notoriously inept marksmen, and worse, notoriously prone to panic and flight, because the melanin in their skin seeps into their amygdala and causes increased cortisol release in stressful situations. Ever seen a brown person reload a musket quickly? No of course not, and this is for a good reason.Orcs, obviously being swarthy and dark in countenance, could not possibly be expected to lay down continuous and effective fire. Especially not against Elves, who are white, and thus emit a racism field that oppresses swarthoids, filling them with a fear of work, and a desire to steal and play loud music.
>>24850551there are some D&D slop settings capable of hosting kino, but if it's not to your taste I can't say I blame you.
Does Severian's Bizarre Adventure actually get a plot at some point? I'll accept one in the later books if I have to.
Are there good audiobooks that make me feel the same way that hearing Darkest Dungeon Narration does?
>>24850576Most plebs finish the book and say "THERE WAS NO PLOT WTF"Real high iq niggas know there was an insane plot there the entire timeDon't be the former but if you are a plotfag there might be little hope
>>24850613Blood Meridian might be the closest in tone and content. I don't know if anyone has attempted it in the guttural throat-cancer mode of darkest dungeon.
>>24850621>dude the SUBTEXTqueer response
>>24850576Maybe the real plot was the stories we told along the way.
>>24850645It's not subtext. The reason the events aren't super obvious is that Severian is very very oblivious. If you're paying any attention at all it's really clear what's going on, the narrator is just autistic.
>>24850576>>24850663Don't get me wrong, the world is interesting, the vibes are on point, and I'm really into it. I'm just past the avern duel and I predicted who the opponent was, but I just expected a normal book.
>>24850669It's not a normal book. It's more like a puzzle, where you have to take what you've observed throughout the story and use it to fill in the blanks that Severian is too autistic to put together himself. It takes a bit of getting used to but once you actually start realizing what's happening you'll get moments where a bunch of stuff that already happened is recontextualized into something completely different.You're also very early in, just keep going. I ended up reading the first book three times before I started the second.
>>24850669>I just expected a normal bookwhat
>>24850663It's dishonest literature. I will never understand this fellating of authors who obfuscate the "real story" behind deliberately obtuse and uninteresting dreck. It must be a kind of Stockholm syndrome, where every person who has gone through the intellectual labor of figuring out what the author said then feels obligated to defend the story as an astounding feat of writing to justify the time he wasted on this endeavor. Actually telling people what happened in plain English? Plebeian! Pedestrian! Telling the story through an "unreliable narrator" so you can waste pages upon pages on frivolous nonsense while leaving a trail of breadcrumbs to follow for people so bored with the story they're desperate to eke out any kind of enjoyment from it? Pure genius! Bravo!
>>24850723The sensation you are experiencing is called "being filtered." We use this term often so you've probably encountered it before, but likely in those contexts you were not filtered, and as such, did not think much of it.What it means is that the story actually required that you read it, and you were not capable of doing that, so you could not enjoy it properly. Fortunately our friend here appears to have an IQ with three entire digits, and thus likely can, with some scrutiny, read the book. You might find an infusion of ginko biloba and improving your sleep hygeine helpful in improving your short-term memory and unburdoning your higher reasoning abilities, then you would be able to actually read and enjoy books also.
>>24849311A Second Chance at Eden
>>24849311Anything by Robert Sheckley, such as "Untouched by Human Hands".
>>24850746>>The sensation you are experiencing is called "being filtered."Yes I see this phrase used a lot by people suffering from literary Stockholm syndrome. It's like the braying of a donkey at anyone who tries to coax him out of the rain. HEE-HAW! he cries, stubbornly defending his muddy patch of ground. HEE-HAW.
>>24850669Maybe Brandon Sanderson would be more to your taste.
>>24850838You are simply upset that you are not intelligent enough to enjoy the book, sir. For you reading is a painful thing which requires something of you, rather than providing something for you. You imagine having to read a book as being equivalent to being taken hostage, when in fact it is more like a journey or an adventure. This is a problem I have often observed in young children and people of African and Southwest Asian extraction, and I have just the solution for you.May I recommend GraphicAudio's fine selection of dramatized audiobooks? the Brent Weeks "Night Angel" series has a particularly good one with sound effects and voice actors, and even music! There is no risk of you becoming bored or confused in such a story, though there are literary references therein which may challenge you, such as "Two handfuls of tit" or "A wetboy's life isn't worth shit," I urge you to keep your cellular phone close at hand in case you need to look up a particularly esoteric word.Moreover, you can listen to them whilst playing Fortnite or Battlefield XIX, or Star Fox 64, to eliminate any possibility of being left with only the chasmic abyss of your inner monologue to entertain you.
>>24850846before he fell off
>>24850723puzzles are fun. His books you read multiple times and get something completely new out of it each time. That's amazing and not many authors have or could ever replicate that. That is obviously not going to be for everyone and that's fine. I dislike King, sanderson, etc, but I'm not a hater people can like what they like jk fuck whoever likes that slop
>>24850468And Harry Potter and Star Wars fans are mostly in their 30s-50s, what’s your point?> you won’t articulate it hereAnon I’ve already presented my reasoning. Your children’s book sucks so much it’s absolutely unreal. How can you like it? Where is your taste? Where is your self respect? all your little formulaic chosen one characters and their little chosen one town and botched character interactions, and awful character. Who am I supposed to like? Which character do people gravitate towards? They all suck is it Egwain because she is probably the most forced character in the books with no personality other than “no fair me too” I can’t read this filth.>b-but adventureOh wow yeah cursed treasure! and an adopted chosen one secret prince who is called the dragon! Wow! Magic school! WOW! Man holy shit that’s such a good point but I hear me out. What if there were other authors who were good writers with fun characters that had those exact plot points. This series is a mess. It wants to be everything and it does nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Ok but seriously though, what's a good follow up to Reverend Insanity?
>>24851050Diarrhea
>>24851129why do you keep posting this? It looks like a screenshot from a bottom of the barrel thing you'd find on f95zone.
>>24851144Nobody cared about the book until the cover art changed.
>>24851144spam bot or autism, take your pick
>>24851157>you're autistic if you want to discuss books that are not AAA traditional-published megapopular bestsellersAbout what I expect from the average /lit/ poster.
>>24851166Nothing wrong with discussing new books. Spamming the same trash in every thread for a year is not.
>>24851254>new books???>is notIs not what???????newfagGPT acting up
>>24850457Death gate cycle 9/10Very engrossing original fantasy Star of the Guardians 10/10Excellent space opera that borrows some elements from star wars like "lazer swords". Cool space mercenary shitRose of the Prophet 7/10 Surprised this doesn't get talked about more in [current year]. Pretty progressive ideas for the era. Arabian Nights inspired fantasy setting Darksword 8/10Coming of age sword and sorcery. Big magic sword. Interesting magic taboo fantasy setting Sovereign Stone 10/10Unique magic system. Really engaging tragic story Dragonvarld 4/10Dragon human hybrids. Dragon shapeshifters. Dragon sexual assault. Pretty weak
>>24851279esl?
>>24851279chiming in to agree you're ESL lol
If you were going to create a four year course of fantasy books/series, what would you put where?
boys are there any scifi books that feature the Third Eye as a major part of the book? or fantasy or thriller. a physical third eye or gland
>>24851414Year 1>Bible>QuranYear 2>BOTNSYear 3 and 4>Dungeon Crawler Carl
>>24851520>quran>fantasyit is is 100% real history. wash your mouth out with soup.
>>24851050read ISSTH and LOTM
just picked up The Sword of Shannara for $2 at a thrift store. I vaguely recognized the name (from this thread maybe?) but am otherwise not familiar with it. About to start reading it.What do I think of it?
>>24851619It's bad, like shockingly bad for such a famous series. The plot is worse than generic and the writing is even worse and full of lore dumps. But as bad as it is, by some miracle the second book is amazing - the author fixed everything he did wrong. Unfortunately you need to have read the first for it to make sense.
>>24851653I don't even have the second book so I guess I get the worst of both worlds. I'll see if it's at the library later.
>>24850074Hot
>buy a book because it’s cheap and description interests me >look up info about book>it’s one of the last in a series Every time.
>>24851619Could be worse, at least it isn't Sword of Truth. I don't know what the link is between being named Terry and being an insufferable redditor, but there's just too many for it to be coincidence: Brooks, Goodkind, Pratchett, etc.
>>24851301>Dragon sexual assault[Desire to know more intensifies]
>>24846289The worst A.I. slop I've seen this week.
>>24847147Yes.
>>24847357Why do you post like you're in a TikTok video's comments?
>>24851817funnily enough they also had 2 copies of Stone of Tears (second book in that series), but none of the first. otherwise i would've got that too
>>24851889You dodged a bullet there. Goodkind is every sort of bad it's possible to be: poor writing, incredibly derivative, and far too willing to use his books to preach his shitty opinions. I read all 11 books when I was young and didn't know better than to waste my time on slop; I think it was the first time I'd ever read a novel and thought to myself "holy shit, this is awful."
>>24850457i'm reading Darksword right now, it's pretty good and the mc is a bitter volcel so the average /sffg/ poster will probably like him
>>24851619I gave up after about 50 pages because the writing and pacing was so bad. And this was years ago when I had more time and rarely dropped anything.
/wng/ is kill so I am here nowWeekly chapter reviewPale Lights (patreon) : Well , that's not gonna help Myria with her Grasp problems.Years of the Apocalypse : So I guess plan 9 is to create an antimagic rocket? Also I am starting to think she needs to focus on automaton defence in order to stop the invasion disruptions. She can't be everywhere at once.Objects in Motion : Good chapter. Yeah Smokeshow , you are defenetly brainwashed to like him.Player 0.4 : meh , slow chapter.Apocalypse Reborn : meh , I am not reading this series for serious character action drama. Zenith of Sorcery : mid chapter
>>24851922>I think it was the first time I'd ever read a novel and thought to myself "holy shit, this is awful."ha, I had the same reaction to reading Goodkind. I have read fantasy novels that left me underwhelmed, or bored me, but never before had I read something I found repulsive.
>>24851603>wash your mouth out with soup.Tomato soup okay? I'll make a grilled cheese to go with it. Yum.
>>24851047>And Harry Potter and Star Wars fans are mostly in their 30s-50s, what’s your point?Harry Potter readers were originally kids, and the books were marketed to kids. Star Wars films were marketed to all audiences, and had fans of all ages. Jordan's audience has always been predominately adult, at no point were his books marketed as young adult and at no point was his audience predominately children. >suck sucks sucksYeah that's about what I expected from you. You don't like prophesy as a concept, I gather, but you can't explain what's wrong with it. You just say it's bad and then expect people to agree with you, apropos of nothing. >an adopted chosen one secret prince who is called the dragon! Wow! Magic school! What a string of verbal diarrhea. This makes me now firmly believe you listened to an audio book reading while you were playing video games or something, because this is a totally garbled up version of the plot and shows bizarre preoccupation with broadly generalized descriptions of the plot rather than particulars of the story. It shows a lack of comprehension or retention.
>>24851619Probably the worst book i've read in current memory. The writing is beyond amateurish and it boggles the mind this was ever published by a professional publisher. There are some unintentionally hilarious moments, like when the main character looks at a fortified stone town and says he prefers the "pregnability" of his home woods, but most of it is just tedious nonsense filled with disjointed adjectives. The plot and the world are bereft of any fantasy whatsoever. The world consists of northland, southland, westland, and eastland, with the evil warlock lord living up north in skull mountain, in the fucking skull kingdom. If this sounds like it could be fun in a classic camp way, you are right, it could. But it isn't, because the author is a teenager still in highschool and this is his very first embarrassing attempt at writing something. At least that's the impression the text gives off, and i will stick to it in an attempt to be generous towards the poor lad.The sequels are somewhat better, but Brooks' high points will always be other writers' mediocrity, and i don't think he will ever stop writing about people sitting "aboard" horses.I picked it up because it seemed like one of those popular works that make up the history of fantasy literature, and i have kept at it until the end of, i think, Scions of Shannara. Shockingly underwhelming. Makes it difficult to argue when people claim fantasy fans lack even rudimentary taste in literature.1/10 bretty pregnable
>>24852049NTA but WoT is very much YA fantasy. It simply was published before "YA" became an industrial slopmachine concept. >It shows a lack of comprehension or retention.Not much to comprehend about WoT tho. It is legitimately a coming of age story for youths, with some will-they-won't-they and BDSM sprinkled on top. The rest is literal padding.
>>24850457I really liked their older Dragonlance stuff. Chronicles and Legends especially.
>>24846751>>24846859you are gay and retarded
>>24851603BAHAHAHHAHA
>>24852077I picked up like 10 Dragonlance books at a yard sale for about 5 bucks and I tried reading Dragons of Autumn Twilight about a month ago. I got about halfway before I had to put it down due to just how atrociously bad it was. The characters were stale as shit, plot was just random thing happening into next random thing happening and the writing was just generally dogshit. Do they get better or is it just nostalgia from people reading them as teens? I've got all of Chronicles, Legends and Tales.
>>24852182It is nostalgia. Hell, I was something like 14 when I tried to read them and I already thought it was retarded. It felt like someone was playing a D&D campaign with a retard DM and writing a let's play as they went along with zero editing, which is probably exactly what happened.
>>24852100the spas 12 is dogshit, you know it's dogshit, you just want to believe it's good because it's in muh bideo games
>>24852261it is not "dogshit">you just want to believe it's good because it's in muh bideo gamesprojection of your past thoughts?
>>24851382>>24851401newfagGPT still acting upsad D:
Are there any Fantasy books written by people who are experts, or at least well versed in, any fields like theology, history, folklore etc?I want some fantasy story that I can learn stuff from.
>>24852575the lords of the rings
>>24852575Stuff by Umberto Eco
>>24852575Malazan was written by an archaeologist and anthropologist and it shows. Large amounts of the text are dedicated to autistic language breakdowns, physiological evolution etc.
>>24851817>>24851922>>24852038NTA, but I'm through the first three books of this series and while it definitely gets derivative and the characters are pretty simplistic, I really didn't see it as an awful read. I found some of the characters to be enjoyable and certainly there were good moments in each book. What parts of it or what themes did you find repulsive or truly awful? Maybe I just didn't pick up on it or something.
>>24852575SF but Arkady Martine is a PHD historiani dunno how much you'd learn from Space Aztecs though
>>24852636The first few books are mostly just bland and derivative. The insufferable preachiness ramps up along the way, it's not until the last 3 or 4 books that he reaches the point where he's beating the audience over the head with it. It's been long enough that I don't think I'd be giving him a fair shake if I tried to sum up his beliefs. If you keep going with him, report back and let us know what you thought.
You guys read on an ebook or physical copies?
>>24852702Physical. Ebooks are cringe
>>24852702Ebook. Physicals are cringe
>>24852702Both are cringe so I read both.
>>24852702Ebook for general books, physical for series I love. My kindle has made reading more enjoyable for me. Books are cheap or free and I like the features like the x-ray function or fan dictionaries when reading bigger series.
>>24852702Audiobooks. Print is cringe
>>24852702my reading is 90% pirated ebooks 5% library 5% used bookstore. yes i am a NEET with no money
>>24852702Ebooks are what work for me. Free, can be acquired almost instantly, don't take space and don't need to worry about damaging them.
>>24852702Physical so my kids might one day pick them off the shelf.
>>24852702I only really prefer physical for stuff where there's a reason to go back and forth like non-fic or short story collections.These days my physical purchases are mainly just books on/of folklore.
>>24852702I buy every book I read in physical and then I also pirate the ebook and audiobook. I mostly read the physical but I listen to the audiobook when going to the gym and doing chores, and ebook a couple pages in bed after I've put the physical book down and turned off the light or when working at the office and don't have anything to do.
>>24850074>The orcs proceed to rape every elf and halfling woman and childAlready ordered it on Amazon. I hope the latter one is detailed for my gooning sesh.
>>24852702i pirate both my books and my video games
>>24852656 Shes a woman and jewish, dont expect to learn anything from her.
>>24852662I'll go ahead and give the 4th book a go and report back. It'll probably be a bit, though, because I'm on a different book right now.
>>24852916sure thing cletus
>>24852636Goodkind is a huge and very vocal fan of Ayn Rand, he's the kind of guy that read Atlas Shrugged in high school and then immediately based his entire personality and worldview around it. SoT is basically a fantasy-themed homage to Rand, with the occasional detour to make sure none of the female characters go unraped.
>>24852924>t. jamal
>>24852946>make sure none of the female characters go unrapedPicked up
>>24850423He literally already wrote the "slice of day-to-day life ringworldside story back in 1996 with Ringworld Throne and it's easily the worst book in the series.It's all already been done mate.
I lost my copy of Frederik Pohl's Gateway and I had to order another copy from Thriftbooks because it's almost impossible to find a copy of it anywhere other than ebay because it's supposedly out of print and every cunt on ebay of course wants an absurd amount of money for an old paperback scifi novel so it's on backorder and I don't really know if I'll ever actually get it.NO, there are no ebook versions of it available in my neck of the woods and NO I don't want to pirate it and read it on readera because that's what literal brainlet brownoid APES do.Suffering. I had started it but never got around to finishing it but it seemed like a GOAT and I wanted to wait until the opportune time to read it so I could savor it.
>>24853023>NO, there are no ebook versions of it available in my neck of the woodsWhat do you mean there are no ebook versions of it near you. It's the internet nigga
>>24853030Look it up. The availability of ebook copies of it have been notoriously spotty for ages because of publisher bullshit.If I lived in Kangarooland or Bongniggerstan I might be able to acquire a copy via normal channels but alas, I am a burger and it's not available in my region for gay, bullshit kike-ish reasons.
>>24853023>>24853039>(((They))) won't sell it to me and I won't get a copy from someone they will sell it to because only brown people don't obey their Jewish overlordsThen I'll guess you'll never read it again. Deal with it.
>>24853054>UMMMM... TEH JOOS!!!Niggers like (You) are why the economy keeps collapsing.
>>24853023Have you tried abebooks or even etsy? There's a store there selling old books and it has a sci-fi and fantasy category.
>>24853023>NO I don't want to pirate itTotal brainlet take.
>>24853057I wasn't the one that brought up Jews, retard.
>>24853023>NO I don't want to pirate it and read it on readera because that's what literal brainlet brownoid APES do.Congratulations, you played by the rules of a system that was designed from the top down to fuck you.
>>24853067>>24853076>t.thief
>>24853081t.poor
>>24853081Better than being a cuck.
>Thread will now become/pol/ tier dipshits justifying theft due to some shadowy cabal conspiracy theory SHUT UP, SHUT THE FUCK UP! STOP IT!! STAY ON TOPIC YOU MOTHERFUCKING MEME-SPEWING RATS!!!
>>24853096Your fault for moralfagging about piracy, if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.
>>24853102Enjoy burning in hell, thief.
I like sci-fi at a surface level but I struggle to identify what would interest me the same way I can for fantasy. Is there a good reference point for identifying which stories are about exotic places, aliens, and space life; and which stories are about humans struggling to make space as boring as possible?The presence of the author's barely disguised fetish is a plus as long as its not Heinlein's essays on the importance of spanking naughty boys.Picrel I really like System Shock 2 as a scifi aesthetic.
>>24853119Scifi is full of interesting concepts and big thinks to life's big philisophical questions. Fantasy is sword slashy comfort slop for brainlets.
>you're not allowed to discuss nonpopular books>you can only read books through a physical format>you HAVE to give money to a jewish publishing house to read a dead author's works or you're not allowed to read booksWhat other middle-of-the-bell-curve forms of rhetoric will normalfags employ?
>>24850074Love to see this book mentioned. It's a really fucking weird ride, leans in to its intentional scope creep, and comes off as a weird satire of sword & sorcery, epic fantasy, and Vietnam war books. With gratuitous sex and violence.It's the most masculine book any woman has ever written, to boot. Go in as blind as you can, and just enjoy the ride. Maybe slam a shot every chapter, that'd probably enhance the experience.
>>24853194Ebooks are far more eco-friendly on both a micro and macro scale, downsize the impact of the middle man, and are the ideal way to consume the written word. They should be purchased only for living authors who self publish, and otherwise should be pirated. You should always leave a rating or review of books you like, somewhere, which is worth more than the $0.30 an author would have put towards offsetting their advance if you choose to buy it.It was actually the eternal Anglo that designed the system, it was just Jews that perfected it, then handed it off to women and academics to maintain.
>>24853194Redditrisingtranny BTFO
I finished rereading the Kingkiller books a few hours ago and I can't help but remember over a decade ago when there was still hope for the third book and there wee talks about a TV series, movies and even video games lmao)The thing that struck me the most from the reread, though, was how weirdly dated these books feel. Rothfuss does a great jow hiding it with nice prose and clever writing, but you can feel the faint stench of millenial irony and archaic r*dditisms coming from underneath. The whole 'deconstructing the classic male hero' and those 'strong, self sufficient, female characters', so typical of the late 10's era. small details, but can really tell the current state of affairs brewing in there
>>24853096copying is not stealing. and in fact, buying a digital file 'legitimately' never confers ownership either.
>>24852702>pirate ebooks>if I like them I buy a physical copyI won't buy ASOIAF until the whole series is finished though
>>24853126Stop hogging the lonely space vixens and point me to the skin tight body suits damnit.
>>24853246There's very little of that in the first book, and the second is such overwhelming redditslop that it would have been instantly recognizable as such even before the existence of reddit.
>>24853318>ME WANT READ ABOUT SEX! SEEEEEX!>t.Thirty-something with the mind of a sixteen year old
>>24851144I read it (and the entire trilogy) earlier this year. It's actually really good, not in an "objectively good" sort of way, but more like "does something weird and different and creative, but still very accessible", which is a genuine feat
I read do androids dream of electric sheep because of bladerunners 1982 Roy Batty, he waas such a cool character. In the book was an android with the same name but not the same character and none of the themes or concepts i loved the movies Roy for. Still a really cool book!
>>24853119SF, more than fantasy, requires you to look at the secondary subjectfor example, SF: Big Dumb Object, or SF: Colony Ship, or SF: Space OperaA good rule of thumb if you're looking for exoticism is to look for SF that is also marked as Weird Fiction and to avoid anything marked as Hard SF. It's not a perfect solution but it works.
>>24852702Google. Play. Books.
hybrid between Tolkienesque fantasy, technologically oriented "hard" science fiction, and steampunk
>>24853379I think I lack the proper vocabulary for secondary subjects and the descriptors to help narrow that down.Like for apocalypse scifi there has to be some way people differentiate there will come soft rains, and world war z. Like there are clear signs those are not alike, but I don't know how you would go looking for one without getting the other (and many like it) in the mix.
>>24853549What is?
>>24853583Hard fantasy according to Gardner Dozois.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy#Other_uses
I love Space Elves and Space Orcs.
>>24853591Warhammer is fucking SHIT
>>24852731Listening to an audiobook is too passive an experience for me to really savor the story. Old-fashioned reading ensured one's undivided attention.
>>24853587>Hard fantasyFantasy that makes you hard?
>>24846281Can I have a story about a grandmother searching the stars to try and find her lost grandchildren who disappeared when her sons wife's boyfriend took all of them somewhere?
>>24853623Only if she's a cyborg or android.
>>24853345I find it mysterious and deeply irritating how few SF books have actual good romancenot woman-targeted romance, or fetish shit, or damsel in distressjust two people, one of which can be an alien or robot as long as it's not too weird, and they fall in love like normal people do
>>24853549that's just Fullmetal Alchemist
>>24853640>normal people fall in lovelol, lmao "normal people" fall into situationships and unhappy marriages. No one "falls in love" anymore. It's a Disney fairytale myth. Isn't real.
>>24853557For whatever it's worth I struggle with the same thing, even after many years.Something like Storygraph is a tool intended to solve this problem, but it's a tough nut to crack regardless.
>>24853640>Expecting nerdcel writers to know what love is like.Be realistic.
>>24853655>those grapes were sour anyway
>>24853655nah, variations of this meme have circulated since the 70s (and probably earlier), but it's never been true. or rather it's true for a small, vocal minority, and shouldn't be seen as the normI've been married myself 12 years now, and I have many friends and family members who are happily married and have very normal (and good) stories
>>24853680>My friends are lying to me about how happy they areMany such cases.
>>24853596Warhammer is far from the only setting to have them, it's just the laziest with them.
>>24853677>Real life is just like an aesop bro!Consider killing yourself.
>>24853721Hit the nail on the head, I see.
