https://youtu.be/DrMEL20o5KE?si=FWzh7pUL0-ICF8vz
maybe ill watch this if im bored. I dont like alex oconnors videos for some reason
Why has this guy been showing up in my YouTube feed so much over the last few days?
>>24852168Why do we have a ketchup thread every other day?Idealism is silly--the universe is clearly more than what's going on in our heads, despite our inability to prove it with anything but our heads
>>24852813>despite our inability to prove it with anything but our headsWhat if you were to have a dream you never truly awoke from? How would you know? The material world is a complete illusionary hall of mirrors for all we truly know.
Neither materiality nor mind exists.
Eh. He ignores the idea that consciousness might not even exist from the start and honestly, seems to be retrofitting a convenient philosophy that immediately answers all the unsolvable questions and doesn't even question how this might be a bit idealistic.
>>24852168if that's true why can't he debate any materialist without crying?
>>24852168Wow he's got a huge forehead, he must be smart
>>24852845If everything is illusion, nothing is. The illusion itself constitutes all reality and pragmatically you interact with the world no differently than the bald realist position.
>>24852853mind is the only thing that exists
>>24852976>doesn't even question how this might be a bit idealistic.That's the point. It's idealism. It's a comforting fairy tale for people with money.
The problem with materialism is that it posits an unobservable susbstance
>>24852168Huh, I thought /lit/ hated analytic philosophy. Especially the guys who constantly whine about soience and materialism, who seem to be Kastrup's target grift. I guess as long as it has the word "idealism" next to it you guys will swallow any kind of inconsistent ideology.
>>24853383just believe in mind at large bro. BELIEVE
>>24852845Right, for all we know, so drawing a steadfast conclusion that's that is all it is is kinda retarded, don't you think? We don't know either way
>>24853182This too, it's like the simulation argument is so fucking dumb for precisely this reason. Oh you can simulate an exact replica of reality? Well then it's indistinguishable from reality and is in fact reality, isn't it? Silliness.
>>24852845> The material world is a complete illusionary hall of mirrors for all we truly know.I think the best response to this is actually “so what”. Seriously, what effective change can you make assuming reality is illusory? How does your life change practically? What do you do differently? What conclusions can you draw and predictions make?The answer will be nothing changes. You still go about life as if there is an objective materialist reality, it’s the only thing that will produce testable claims and progress. The illusion supposition is just mental wank, a Matrix fanfic to make you go “woah” but then when it comes to it having any significance at all it doesn’t and the most ardent defender of the view does fuckall as a result of said belief. So who cares?
>>24853648>You still go about life as if there is an objective materialist reality, it’s the only thing that will produce testable claims and progress.I also don't like idealism but this isn't true. materialism doesn't produce or even say anything about progress or any claims. for that you have to give a value to progress that can't be based in materialism at all
>>24853648Because life is just a dream and death isn’t to be feared because of it. Every materialist nihilist is just jumping out of their skin over death anxiety and filling that hole with hedonism and cope, missing out on the good life entirely thanks to their necrotic worldview with is completely false.
>>24853672Sure it can, limit entropy to the maximal extent for the longest possible time. Boom, you've quantified basically life's entire purpose.
>>24853770you're talking from the point of view of already assuming life has intrinsic value. explain that source of value in materialistic terms
>>24852976About 6 minutes into this interview, he just comes out and says materialism would mean his consciousness ends at his death and he doesn't like that idea, therefore materialism is false.
>>24852776He's a cumwad
>>24852776He is overly institutionalised and doesn't seem to have any life experience.
>>24853648materialism is so philosophically indefensible now, that we need people like you defending it for pragmatic purposes lol
>>24853770>Sure it can, limit entropy to the maximal extent for the longest possible time. Boom, you've quantified basically life's entire purpose.This is word salad.
>>24853383>griftbuzzword beloved by jews who refuse to believe anyone can sincerely believe in anything at all.
>ITS UP!
>>24854891Learn some engrish before coming to this board, m8.>>24853770Sadly this anon >>24853798 is correct. That being said nothing speaks against simply recognizing that life having inherent meaning is a personal assumption.I think that this whole race for the objective truth has not gotten us anywhere, we can make assumptions though. When you look at any ethical system they have hundreds of presumptions. More often than not the credibility of these frameworks rely on the charisma of their proponents. There is nothing wrong in assuming one or two statements to be true, considering that in a human context that already is a lot closer to the objective truth than any other ideology.Heck, I'd go further than that and even say that the mere fact that one presumes there to be an objective truth at all or that we as humans are capable of comprehending it, is assuming a whole lot.
