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REFORGED FROM RUIN Edition

Stubbed >>24854248

>What is /wng/ - Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>/wng/ authors.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNZali-jIk2MASsAWVf8N7A8BlSyzPbAFV_BhsA5Ip3SWfMPWKxaXf8Pdb7f0TgFyWis31BzirtPeR/pubhtml


>Advice for Noobs!

##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##

Running your story like the business it is:
www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing web serials:
alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY [Embed]

Recommended web novels
rentry.co/d2yvczro

Anon's guide to success
rentry.co/RRBasicGuide

FAQ
rentry.co/pytefpxn
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Read the best webnovel ever written, Reverend Insanity.
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> 'web novels', serialized English fiction
RI is offtopic in current /wng/, sorry rifag it's time to go
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>anon thinks he will get rich off of his generic webslop
humans die for wealth, birds die for food...
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Sky Pride anyone? I liked the last chapter.
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Any novel length fantasy progression stories that are good? I don't want to read 800k words of text. 80k-150k preferred.
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>>24860518
>current /wng/,
it said English fiction since the start im pretty sure
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>>24860518
>Daoist Gu
>web novel
>serialized
> English
>fiction
Daoist Gu meets all the criteria (it exceeds them).
Daoist Gu is here to stay.
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>>24860532
i don't even understand how you could write a compelling progfantasy in 80k words. The whole point is the slow and steady movement from zero to hero where you thoroughly experience each stage
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>>24860595
Reminder, if something sounds too good to be true, it likely isn't.
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>>24860595
>webtoon
wtf is a webtoon?
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>>24860614
a comic book, but published on the web
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>>24860614
like a comic but incredibly shitty
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>>24860539
Not exactly progfantasy like the other anon but I'm 52k words into a planned, outlined standalone story. It's doable desu
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>>24860603
how does it sound too good to be true? They're like any publishing company: they're looking for a successful story to steal and make money off of. They're going to reject 99.99% of submissions
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>>24860673
>Nero cried out "The Giant's Hand!"
do you really have to say "the"
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>>24860614
korean version of manga, designed with long vertically-scrolling images for zoomers to read on their phone instead of a normal screen or page layout.
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>>24860679
No, he just said it that way because he thought it sounded cooler.
There's no need to call out move names when using techniques in the first place.
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Five Finger Fist Heart Sword is objectively the coolest killer move in Reverend Insanity
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>>24860667
Quality webnovel.
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>>24855494
I wrote it :) hope you check it out. And for what it’s worth, I don't know what >>24855776 is talking about. I think I only wrote a single rape scene?
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>rape
what's the benefit in that
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>>24860723
Moral of the story, don't get roofied. I based the scene off something that happened to me in Japan. (I got raped)
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>>24860673
reverend insanity has catboys? I think I'll give it a chance now
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>>24860532
i liked blood eagle
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>>24860532
The Rage of Dragons was someone pretty blatantly taking prog fantasy tropes and making them palatable for a publisher and its fine
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>action scene begins
>multiple paragraphs of superfluous descriptions and psychology
why does xhe do this?
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>>24860945
Action with a massively OP protagonist sucks so you have to go for psychology
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>>24860945
action is boring as hell
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I like maybe <1% of action scenes in novels
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>>24860949
yeah but most of the time it's restating shit we already read in previous scenes
like every time there's an action scene the author is so insecure we need him to restate all of her character motivations in detail just so we know there's a really good reason why she's not ending the fight right now
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>>24860945
padding
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I wrote this yesterday, r8?

https://controlc.com/68056a87
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>>24861041
It's ok, I am not gonna read it though because femc and other things (0chako lol) however

>She could just... Not go back after class, and no one would notice.
>A friend... Sort of.
>It... Probably wasn't a joke.
>...
>...
>...
What the fuck is this "..." shit? Everyone one of those sentences is perfectly fine without the retarded "...". Why write like this?
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>>24860920
That's not RI, it's the russian novel anon linked last thread. Dragon Heart.
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>>24860970
>like every time there's an action scene the author is so insecure we need him to restate all of her character motivations in detail just so we know there's a really good reason why she's not ending the fight right now
its a pretty common issue with some authors who let the endless nitpicking of commenters get to them. they start to treat their audience like the tards many of them are
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>>24861061
not saying its a pleasant technique to use more than very rarely, but those sentences definitely read differently in tone with the ellipses
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>>24861061
well thanks for responding anyway
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>>24861097
Yeah, they read like garbage
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>>24861142
that's not nice
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>>24860528
>tfw read the patreon chapters and now have to wait even longer to build up more
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>>24861147
It's the truth. You're welcome.
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>>24861153
>>24861041
>A friend... Sort of.
Works because it's used as a sort of comedic device but the other ones are superfluous. You're trying to force the reader to read it how you want them to but you have to let go of that impulse because it just makes it sound unnatural.
In any case didn't anyone ever tell you that honesty without kindness is cruelty?
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>>24861041
melikes
i do qi gong
& tai chi
so this touches on things
i am personally
& directly
familiar with &
i also like the aspects
of frugality & efficiency
so the whole thing
2 me is breddy gud
& i have nothing
negative 2 say
@ all
melikes
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>>24861041
>chest fell, fell slow, chest tightened
>ellipses x 52
Oh Dear Lord, our Savior
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a lot of evil chuds here trampling a vulnerable transwxmxn's dreams right now
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>>24861164
>...Sort of
>a comedic device
but it's not funny

>In any case didn't anyone ever tell you that honesty without kindness is cruelty?
First time I am hearing this. Is this another literary "device" of yours?
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>>24861197
>t.
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>>24861206
KEK
E
KEKKKkkk

nailed
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>>24861181
I am so sorry, I love trans women and frankly her writing style is not bad (other than ellipses), it more or less flows and it's not jarring, however the story is clearly targeted at female audiences.
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>>24861142
I think they're fine for a specific type of character and narration style, if used in moderation. Almost nothing is objectively and always bad
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>>24861178
what is this?
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>great disability rep!
>finally a female character written properly
>fresh new feel
>subverts tired tropes
>very respectful of LGBTQA+ themes
>subverts tropes of the genre
>deep philosophical exploration
>BIPOC friendly
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thoughts?
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>>24861206
Lovely pic :^) Thanks
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>>24861224
it's so funny when tradpub tards try to make fun of RR with tradpub problems lol
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>>24861233
won't read it out of spite over the monstergirl spam
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>>24861270
making up scenarios in your head to get mad about again are we
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>>24861281
none of >>24861224 applies to RR. it was clearly written by a tradpub seether who doesn't know anything about RR
/wg/ still butthurt the slopchads invaded their thread and gave it life for a day or two
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schizobabble
take a walk freak
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>>24860667
this is right after Fang Yuan brutally murders and eats the lesbian and her straight(?) gf
btw
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absolutely fuming
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if you want to bait it has to be less obvious or the fish don't take it
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I made an ad but RR warned me not to do an ad until I have 20k words written. Do campaigns really do better with 20k words posted? I could force myself to hit that number in two days, maybe three, but is it worth holding off?
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>>24861335
you can choose not to be yet another obnoxious schizo who shitposts here, it's literally a choice
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>>24861342
If I clicked your ad and saw that you didn't have enough of a backlog to be worth reading why would I remember you and wait around to see if you're worth my time months later?
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>>24861335
Make his skin brown so he looks more like the chink spammer.
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>>24859382
Akasofag, you told me your mc was not a grill or a femboy
Why the fuck does "he" have childbearing hips, generic anime woman face and itty-bitty tits?
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>>24861041
>"I told you I had a theory about quirks, right?" Miya said, her voice calm, precise.
>QUIRKS
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>>24861372
That's just a stolen picture from deviantart
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>>24861385
I don't get it.
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>>24861342
Advertising 6 chapters of a story is really kinda silly. I would honestly advise more like 30-40k words AT LEAST so people who actually follow through and click have something tiny to bite into
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>>24861403
Come on now, that's 100% AI slop he prompted himself
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>>24861385
I remember when halfway into like the 6th or 7th season the translation abruptly changed to terms like meta and it was just so bewildering. I stopped watching after the finale when Stain came up again, but it wasn't because of the change in translation(never did look into it thinking about it now), just long series fatigue, I was following it since the 1st ep and then the friend I was bingeing it with drifted away. thanks for coming to my ted talk, you can unsubcribe and untick the bell button.
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>>24861372
i'd fuck him
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Would it be considered false advertising for the summary blurb to be a complete fabrication in order to lure/trap the Reader?
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>>24861461
That can literally get you banned
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>>24860518
RIfag has been spamming /lit/ for over 6 years, along with Bakkerfag from /sffg/ where RIfag originated. He is your typical newfag with some bitch cluster b disorder and refuses to listen to any reason or rationale. Remember to report and ignore spam posts on the board. :)
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>>24861461
so like every japanese light novel title?
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>>24861467
I'm still pissed that To Another World... with Land Mines! was about crazy isekai people instead of literal land mines as a power
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>>24861356
I'm posting daily so I figured after five chapters someone who started reading from the ad would just follow and go from there.
But I can wait until 20k words, just didn't know people thought like that.

>>24861407
Well it's a writathon project getting 1-2 chapters a day, I'm just sad to see such pathetic view numbers compared to my more established long running title. I did NOT get much conversion from my established readers at all.

It could be the sharp tonal shift and different subject matter. I'm locking down my upcoming big project and that I'm going to aim more towards the big RR likes: isekai, progression, litrpg, staboxes, system autism, soft love interests, male mc, and a few other things. Only things I refuse to do are time loops and cultivation.
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>>24861477
lmao I was expecting throwing landmines at tanks, too. But then it turned into a comfy slow paced slice of life story so I've been following it since volume 1 on JNC.
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>>24861489
one day I'll finish writing my timeloop litrpg
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wow claude ripped apart my outline for the third act of the story and shit tough shit you gotta cut so many interesting things, it kept berating me for forgetting to brinch back a few secondary characters and was angry I left one kinda just hanging forever. maybe it is back to the drawing board with the last act... I wonder if we'll have our own Butlerian Jihad in our lifetime?
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>Give the it 3 samples of my prose and 1 written by AI. It says the AI sample is the best.
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>>24861631
>getting critique from an AI chatbot
You might as well be rolling yahtzee dice to critique your work.
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>>24861675
no humamn bean is ever going to read it, on the contrary.
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>>24861278
she's not even a real monstergirl just a human with funny ears.
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>>24861372
he posted about it in a previous thread
he and his proomptmaster friend couldn't get the slopmachine to generate a skinny twink without big chad muscles so they told it to make a flat girl
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>>24861729
AI art wins another one
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>>24861694
the AI won't either.
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>>24861784
at least they pretebd to... :'*(
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I just want to write the story I want to read.
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>>24861372 the answer is >>24861729

i got a better result since that post
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>>24861867
It's a lot better but...
>tags:imminent gangbang
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>>24861867
i also contacted another friend to see if he could help and ended up getting stuff like this lol
which isn't bad but i might as well do femc if i want to use it
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>>24861869
Why didn't you do femc? Isn't hyperviolent women your niche or something. I've heard that ssf writers should remain within their niche and use an alt pen name if they go outside it since their name is a brand.
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>>24861871
my writing also has major male supporting characters
I started with the concept for the MC where I tossed in the things I hadn't been able to do but wanted to do, and I ended up feeling that such a MC should be male
that's all there is to it really
this time i just invert it to where the violence woman is the supporting character
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>>24861867
show us the failed gens to see how badly the AI communicates your concepts for the character
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Take your AI spam elsewhere, fucking faggots
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>>24861886
i use an instance running on perchance and don't really save the bad ones
it usually "checks the boxes" in most of them and it just doesn't quite look right
similar for my friends they just send a collage of lowres gens and i pick which ones to upscale

on my end, the most common mistake is the ai making the puppets into bobble headed children or having the bodysuit weirdly segmented like this
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>>24861900
if only there was a program that let you edit photos and images.
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>>24861914
only real images get real editing
i won't waste my time editing ai slop that's only good for an ad when i can just run the gen again
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wanting to write fmc girlboss and instead writing mmc fakeboyboss because of societal pressure is maybe more trans than trans
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>>24861939
Nta but murderous girly boy boss is trad
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>>24860595
Where did you find this? I looked on their website and couldn't see anything like it. Always nice to find another Webtoon producer to pitch to at a later date
>>24861631
Genre?
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>>24861233
It's ok. There's an atmosphere, and the background is nice. The title and author name are clear and unobtrusive. Personally I feel her pose is a stiff, and while she's cute I feel like her expression could show more personality. She could be surprised like "whoa! This book is magic! I dont believe it!" or mischievous like "Hahaha, I'm gonna cause all sorts of trouble." I'm just not seeing a personality. Also, her ears should be bigger and fluffier.
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>>24861843
Give me money, I'll critique your outline.
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>>24861233
>>24862013
Also, I would zoom in more. Get a clearer look at her face. Put the title and author over her skirt.
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>>24860513
Has this endless, shameless shilling attracted any readers or patrons ever? Seeing someone acting like this, seemingly desperate, makes me assume the story cant stand on its own two feet and ignore it completely. I didnt even read whats on your image.
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>>24862031
>patrons
None, I earned 0 dollars from this story.
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>>24861991
>Where did you find this?
Got it in a discord cabal from someone who claims they got it from their agent.
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>>24862031
In my country there's a saying, "fools' joys are cheap; madmen's, free."
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>>24862061
Kys, please.
>>24862081
Please tell me your interpretation of this proverb before I ask the AI.
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>>24862132
>your interpretation of this proverb
It's simple. An idiot will find anything amusing and is easily entertained. Meanwhile, crazy people typically laugh for no reason at all, crazy as they are. The saying is usually in response to a person laughing at comments and situations that nobody else finds funny.

In this vein, RIanon is a nutcase who finds joy in endless shitposting even without getting anything out of it. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>24861224
Isn't the most popular RR novel Primal Hunter? Where the MC is an autistic sociopath having no problems genociding people, is allied with an evil cult, and is a basically a dictator?
Iirc the only "woke" thing is his hatred of slavery and even then he hates slaves almost as much as the slavers because of his power.
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>>24862158
Thank you for a quality post. They are so rare and far between these days.
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>>24862185
It was good until the end of the first book when he met the other people from earth. That whole interaction was poorly written and just cringe, it immediatelly ruined the first 80% of the book.
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>>24862158
>An idiot
>is easily entertained
/wg/ fags are easily entertained.
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>>24862326
what's wrong with /wg/? lol
for what I've seen wg is the exact same as wng, but different genres are discussed.
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>7th
>4k words
>15k word deadline for the 15th
im not gonna make it... this is hard...
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Is medieval litRPG fantasy the only genre that sells and has the potential to last for hundreds of chapters? Beware of Chicken, Primal Hunter, He who fights with Monsters... all medieval sword&sandal fantasy. It does make sense that you need to introduce magic/extremely advance technology at some point to keep things interesting, but I dont see why a story devoided of any supernatural elements couldnt keep itself interesting that long.
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>>24862539
Sir? Your Xianxia?
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>>24862539
don't even remember when I consumed the last medieval ANYTHING
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Where can you read leaked patreon content?
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>>24862031
>patrons
it has long finished publishing. canceled by the CCP even.
anon is shilling just for the love of the game.
he probably got 1 or 2 anons in /sffg/ to read it.
>>24862677
kemono.cr
beware. this website contains copious pornography
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I'm driving myself up the fucking wall going in circles because I'm dissatisfied with the name I came up for a thing

What do I call a robot skeleton covered in protrusions of high grade armor, specifically designed to fuck with bladed weapons? It's fast and has a boxer type stance cos it has small shields on its arms and spikes inside them (pilebunkers)
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>>24862946
ask chatgpt
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>>24862948
that does it I'll just translate something vaguely relevant to german
i'm calling it Wurger
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I just can't commit myself to 3 years of weekly uploads.
If I am successful then I have an obligation to my readers to always deliver.
If I am unsuccessful then I will waste years of life and time.
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>>24862946
anti-blade roboskeleton
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>>24862966
I could probably make that sound like not reddit shit, let me see
Anti-Blade Robot Skeleton->ABRS->Abras
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What are some webnovels that focus on a fun group of characters not just the MC? Ave Xia being an example of one I read that I liked. No stat screens and such allowed.
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>>24862946
There's a type of beetle called tortoise beetle, one specific species where the males duel with these shield like protrusions is Acromis Spinifex
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>>24863133
sky pride I guess
the thing about "fun group of characters" is that that's usually found family bullshit and I don't have much tolerance for that
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>>24861991
>Genre?
military space opera tragedy
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>>24861342
Yes it is worth holding back. Two reasons.

>1 - Ads Are Already Annoying
Nobody likes ads. Ads are annoying by nature, even when it's for something we like, want, or even need. So when someone clicks on an ad, they're giving you a chance but they're already frowning. We stop hating the ad when the product advertised is actually good. In your case, that product is your wn. If I click an ad and see it has 3 chapters, I'm not going to read them and say "Hey, this is neat, I should keep an eye on this!" What I'm thinking is "You dragged me here to look at this? Why did I waste my fucking time, ugh! Time to scroll tiktok instead."

When someone clicks an ad, you have One Chance to make them stay. You need to pitch them a good product. That means quality, yes, but you need quantity too. Think of it like a dish; If you serve me the best food of my life, but all you have for me is a teeny tiny bite-sized sampling, I'm going to want more. And if I can't have it or have to wait for it, I'm not going to say "Well, what I had was good at least", I'll say "Well now I'm STILL hungry, so I guess I'll go somewhere else to eat my fill."

>2 - Sunk Cost Fallacy
Have you ever read something that's kind of mediocre, not bad but not amazing either, but it has potential so you keep reading and even if you run out of chapters, you STILL check in for the next release cause you're already 60 chapters in?

You want this effect when someone reads your wn.

If someone clicks on your ad, then ideally, you want them to get invested. Let them lay down their roots so they don't leave. If the soil's too shallow, they'll uproot themselves easily.

Give them enough to chew on when they arrive before you put an ad up. That way, they're more likely to stick around. They're already 30 chapters in, might as well keep going. If you're thinking "B-but my storytelling is amazing! They'll want to stick around even if they only have 15 chapters to read for now!", slap yourself. Firstly because your writing is never as good OR as bad as you think it is. But second, because this effect works even better if your story is actually good. Weak roots can still keep the tree upright in a storm if they're deep enough, but even the strongest roots in the world won't keep the tree anchored if they only go down a few inches.

Give them enough to get invested in, so they'll come back. If your story is mediocre to okay-ish, at least you got them to lay their roots down. If your story is amazing, congrats, they're DEFINITELY invested now. You gain more by waiting until you have a decent amount to show before you get eyes on your story than you do from rushing to get eyes on it before there's enough to show.
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>>24863239
>Sunk Cost Fallacy
This is a completely foreign mentality to me. If I read something for 300 chapters and it's not paying off, then the pressure to stop wasting my time just gets higher.
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>>24862946
>What do I call a robot skeleton covered in protrusions of high grade armor, specifically designed to fuck with bladed weapons? It's fast and has a boxer type stance cos it has small shields on its arms and spikes inside them (pilebunkers)

"bullshit"
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I really like the bit at the start of some litrpg/progression novels where they're a really weak blank slate improving but most of them lose me once a "build" gets locked in
Are there any where the protag has like an infinite number of things to get better at and use?
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>>24863379
chatgpt recommends the wandering inn
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>>24863379
May I recommend Gu Zhen Ren? It's sometimes called Reverend Insanity by others.
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>>24863423
that is one of the strongest things about RI actually, he continually gets his progress reset and has to start over, smarter
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what happens if you fail the writeathon do they delete your story?
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So! I'm working on a bavklog of chapters for my first webnovel. I won't be able to get an ad, so I'll have to market it myself. Where are some good places you can advertise your webnovel? I'm planning to throw everything I can into this, so I'm hoping to get enough eyes on my WN to hit rising stars.
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>>24863526
You can do that here. You can start by posting a chapter.
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>>24863526
you have to suck cocks in discords to get shoutouts
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>>24863486
yes, and you get IP banned
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>>24863526
there are no good places to advertise and expect real follow through. but the best are facebook and reddit communities
running an ad or getting shoutouts from other authors is the only semi-consistent way to launch and get onto RS
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>>24863526
lol
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I just h*cking love when an author has a shoutout on every chapter
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>>24863604
It's the new norm.
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>>24863604
better a shoutout than a crashout
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Shoutouts seem like a waste of time unless you get one from someone who already has a decently size fanbase. If you have 30 followers and swap with someone with 50 followers how many new readers do you think you're going to pick up?
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>>24863641
>If you have 30 followers and swap with someone with 50 followers how many new readers do you think you're going to pick up?
maybe one or two, and if you do that 50 times that's not negligible for trying to get onto Rising Stars
but you're obviously right that if you get a shoutout from a 10k story, that's gonna do way more.
Sometimes you just have to settle for what you can get. Part of the hope is that one of those 50 smaller stories hits rising stars themselves and blows up, and then that shoutout will drive a lot more traffic
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>>24863641
about 6 or 7
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>>24863563
thats not fair!
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>>24863641
I got a pretty hefty boost by shouting out someone who was just starting out, then they suddenly exploded in popularity.
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Thoughts on this harem composition?
>Main lead: human priestess, secretly leader of the thieves' guild, a robinhood type
>Dwarf: daughter of blacksmith, intelligent and skilled at mechanical contraptions
>Half-elf half-vampire: sexy (large breasts, not a loli), seductive, slightly haughty, but has a inferiority complex over being half-undead
>Panda beastkin: she is plain and has next to no sex drive, is lazy, but is skilled in calligraphy and martial arts
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>>24863674
stop being a dumb cuck
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>>24863674
lol
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>>24863674
How would RR feel about futa twin incest for a story's main couple?
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>>24863674
This bro is spending more time designing his pokemon than on his actual writing. Though I guess he knows his target audience.
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>>24863708
We have enough ying-yang imbalances as is senior...
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>>24863674
>harem
raising a mistress is like raising a gu
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man, the Ren Zu story gets real later on, especially the chapter about fate gu
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>>24863755
Ren Zu is the real reason CCP shut it down
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>>24863561
Which discords?
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>>24863561
Which cocks?
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>>24863868
mine :). I guarantee at least 1.2k followers in my shoutouts (checked it myself)
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>>24863812
Immersive Ink primarily
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>>24863641
that's why they say to discord dicksuck. there are a number of authors with decently sized fanbases who shove a new shotout to some literalwho at the top of every new chapter because they wanna help out the cute newbies. and you find those authors through discord.
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>>24863674
>furry
perish.
>>24863708
is there some big chinese twincest novel i missed or pic unrelated?



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