>>24862922
this is not the philosophy board take it to >>>/his/

>>24862922
for the human race at large; the world does require a certain number of good people to stop the land slipping into the ocean.

>>24862922
What do you mean by "being a good person?"

>>24862927
that board sucks.

>>24862922
Since before the invention of language, the simple truth of love and the Golden Rule have been proven right countless times. Why must we belabor the point?

>>24862922
Mr. Skelelstein can fuck one extra child whore on his island thanks to your contribution

feels good man

>>24862957
think you’ll find that’s a more recent view than you think

>not literature
>picture of an icky f*id for no reason at all
Fuck off, nigger.

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define value

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM

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>>24862969
No.
Mothers have told this to their children in every language to have ever been invented. And because they always wanted to convey it.
You think because some will forget it, fight it, try to erase it, that a later iteration was its start? No.

"Don't hit your brother or he will learn to hit you too. It is better to love him so that he returns that love" That sentiment is almost as old as fight-or-flight.

>>24863003
Faggot

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>>24863003
I hate women as much as the next guy but you're gay, bro

>>24863065
you're not a real woman hater.

>>24863049
sorry, but you’re wrong. jesus’ ‘do unto others…’ was the first time it was expressed universally and positively. ‘be good’ was never a cosmic moral truth before that. you’ll find the more ancient gods were pretty mean.

>>24863074
LOL. I see. You're making a joke.

>>24863122
only as much as life is a joke. like homer or (later) shakespeare or cervantes: tragedy salted with humour.

that you may become closer to God Almighty

>>24863143
god helps those who help themself.

>>24863148
do you not help yourself when you put yourself closer to God?

>>24863154
the whole point of that (ancient) phrase is: no. it’s about agency.

>>24863074
The rough idea was common when Christ was born. Both monotheistic Judaism and what we call "Platonic" philosophy with its ideas of good developed in the same period and we know they interacted to some degree, probably a lot more than is now generally thought.
>>24863049
"Hit your younger brother to teach him to obey you" is older and still taught in harsher environments. Puppies do this.

>>24863352
people knew civic virtue. but nobody packaged universal kindness as the highest law for all humanity until jesus. historically, it’s a brand new idea.

>>24863074
>>24863375
The Golden Rule predates Jah.

>>24863382
not really, it was always situation till jc

>>24863402
situational*

Doesnt take much effort to observe that there really isn't. Even on a small scale employers treat employees as completely interchangeable, disposable units of labour... Completely dehumanizing. The second you try to assert yourself, ask for raise, refuse certain tasks, you get fired instantly. That is not what good people do but they get rich from acting that way and so it is "good" for them.

Basically you have to act with complete self interest. Cheat on your gf, work multiple remote jobs, lie, cheat, and steal everything you can get away with.

>>24863402
>not really
yes really

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>>24863420

>>24863435
ancient ethics were conditional: ‘do
this for those like you.’ the golden rule is unconditional.

>>24863441
Yeah and the golden rule predates hayzeus

>>24862922
The value is that it aligns you with the fundamental nature of reality, which is connection, not separation. When you are cruel, selfish, or tribal, you are living according to a lie, the lie that you are a separate fragment fighting against other fragments. This creates a constant, low-level friction with the way things actually are. It is a state of dissonance, and that dissonance is its own punishment. It feels like being a wrong note in a symphony, constantly straining against the harmony of the whole piece.

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The value is improving the world vs being neutral, or what is hateful to witness.

>>24863447
reciprocity does. the barter version of ethics is ancient. the gift version is new.

>>24863420
Acting in self interest requires harmony with the whole

>>24863074
This isn't true at all Greek and Ancient Chinese philosophers expressed this often just with more complexity

>>24863375
Under Plato and Akhenaten the distinction becomes blurred as they approach the idea that there is some highest law at all that binds even the lowest spirits.
If that highest law was something like genocidal war as was commonly believed to be the greatest source of power, comparatively weak creatures like humans would already be wiped out, by God. The fact that at least some survived lifts love above war as the closest human analogy for the highest law that all creation springs from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWdIzA1SuC0

>>24862922
>doesn't define "good person"
Soft-headed humanities graduate detected.

>>24863458
rong bich

>>24863465
philosophers framed reciprocity as social wisdom, not universal love. balance, not benevolence. & it ended at the city wall.

>>24863468
plato’s good was pure reason, not mercy. both seem more about divine order rather than love-as-law.

>>24863488
>splitting hairs this hard
Sounds like this Mr. Christ was a slight step forward at best, not the herald of a revolutionary mindset.

>>24863066
I've had seven ex-girlfriends and roughed up a few because they wanted to leave me. I don't like being abandoned so I get violent. But they cheat on me regardless so i keep lashing out. Is that hatred enough for you.

>>24863465
All in the explosion around 800-300BC. Akhenaten is around 1300BC, Hammurabi around 2000BC.
>>24863488
>divine order rather than love-as-law
If the divine order calls for love that's love-as-law.

>>24863491
if mercy replaced power as the image of the divine, that’s no small step.
it’s a new axis for the human heart.

>>24863503
>if [unfounded assertion] then [my headcanon is real]

>>24863488
Plato's forms wasn't supposed to be taken literally

>>24863503
Mercy is just someone with power choosing not to use it to help someone weaker then them

>>24863517
That's how babby is formed.

>>24863517
if this were true jesus’ life would make no sense.

>>24863509
cards on the table i personally invented the shift from power to mercy as divine ideal, my fault for positing such an unheard, contested idea. & mr christ’s small step held half the planet’s moral vocabulary for two thousand years.

>>24863529
Actually >>24863517 is right but for the wrong reason. As God Jesus had supreme power and chose mercy.
From a secular standpoint yes he makes no sense.

>>24862969
It’s just “tit for tat” codified and that rule is so basic we find it in most animals with a complex social hierarchy. Even outside of mammals where it’s most well developed. Cetaceans and corvids play by “the golden rule” in social interaction.

>>24863074
Delusional christfag protests his own delusion by never reading books, including the bible (it’s in the OT you dumb fuck).

>>24862922
The value of being a good person is in itself. Only a nigger would bother to even ask this question

>>24863594
think you actually missed my point there. jesus was weak, persecuted and executed. the crucified, not the conqueror, becomes the model of mercy.

>>24863619
as strategy, not law.
& the point of the golden rule is its unconditional.

>>24863628
Really he is both, so it does work both ways, but only from a secular standpoint he makes no sense.
Even from a secular standpoint imo it makes more sense to believe than not, but I only engaged with the argument as it was stated so I didn't get into that.

>>24863511
Sure thing, Leo.

>>24863352
The fathers that hit their children gave them brain damage. You can clearly teach without hitting. Love>Abuse
Sorry to hear about your brain damage.

Ephesians 2:8-10
>For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Also refer to Romans 6.

>>24864038
i used to wonder why people felt the need to include chapter & verse numbers in bible quotes. why not treat them like normal quotes, which you can just say on their own. then i thought, they would just look fucking stupid and nonsensical on their own. the fact that it's in the bible is what's important, not what's being said.

Well I am a believer in natural law. Which makes me believe being a good person is not just doing things that your society for the moment happens to consider good, but is also living harmoniously with the world and with nature, being satisfied, happy, in peace.

>>24862922
just read the Republic

>>24864049
dude these "Christian" guys are all raiding trannies shitting up the threads. Not that I believe Christians have a brain in general but these LARPers on 4chan are definitely just autistic faggots getting a kick out of doing this and taking screencaps, it's their life
do you really believe that anyone would make these "repent and join Jesus Christ our Lord" on fucking 4chan, unironically

>>24864049
It is a Protestant thing, mostly.

>>24864297
What is this schizo crap?

>>24864297
oh yeah no i know that. they’re ironically some of the most argumentative and un-christlike people here as well.