We should follow Mark Fisher. He seems smart.
>>24863777he's on par with Aleister Crowley and Juan Posadas.
this lad took joy division way too seriously
>>24863777That is the worst writing I have read probably all week, congrats Marky
>>24863777>Ian Curtis lacked the language to articulate his sense of melancholy in easily understandable material terms, so I can only assume that he was cut-off from a source of self-knowledge unlike Iggy Pop and Jagger and Lou ReedAm I reading this right? I guess have an idea of what MF is hinting at, but what person in their late teens could point to something as abstract as the economic stagflation that was occurring at the time as the source of their pessimism? Not only that, but the UK was suffering from declining influence abroad. To anyone who wasn't aware of that to the extent that we are now thanks to hindsight, it doesn't seem surprising that Ian Curtis hung himself. There had to have a lot of uncertainty during that time.
>>24863861the average person does feel the impact of economic downturns, yes. i doubt they give a fuck about "declining influence"
>>24863870You're right. I'm just trying to work out what MF is trying to say here. Was he really expecting someone with poetic sensibilities to outright say why they were pessimistic?
>>24863875you can say that when mick jagger wrote satisfaction or iggy pop 1969 it was because of socioeconomic motives. but i dont think that is a good analysis. i think he is wrong when he assume that explain something in "easily understandable material terms" is coherent with more self knowdledge. is so stupid and wrong that he literally close himself in a dead end and is splashing his head against the wall just for a premise this wrong. obviously ian curtis is more elusive than jagger iggy etc because the guy have an emotional spectrum of another caliber.
>>24863875It's Marxian autism
>>24863884>obviously ian curtis is more elusive than jagger iggy etc because the guy have an emotional spectrum of another caliber.But why did that hit the culture and become mainstream then when it didn't before? Obviously, it could be argued this is not meaningful (regular variation in taste) or just a random thing, not indicative of anything.
>>24863926when exactly joy division became mainstream?. not in his time. you would have to analyze why joy division have icon status more in the 00´s than in 1979.
>>24863777Using parentheses more than once per paragraph (really more than once every two paragraphs) should warrant your hands being chopped off.Also New Order >>> Joy Division.
>>24863777this is why I hate media theorists, it's not Joy Division, it's Ian Curtis, New Order is not depressing.And why was Ian Curtis sad? He had epilepsy and had many untreated mental illnesses, it's like asking how Van Gogh was sad, some brains are wired differently
>>24864298I always thought it was funny how bleak Joy Division was and how poppy New Order is. Really underlines who the party pooper was.
>>24864298>New Order is not depressingIt's danceable depression anon
>>24863777nice digits btw
I love Joy Division>Here are the young men, the weight on their shoulders>Here are the young men, well where have they been?>We knocked on the doors of Hell's darker chamber>Pushed to the limit, we dragged ourselves in>Watched from the wings as the scenes were replaying>We saw ourselves now as we never had seen>Portrayal of the trauma and degeneration>The sorrows we suffered and never were free>Weary inside, now our heart's lost forever>Can't replace the fear, or the thrill of the chase>Each ritual showed up the door for our wanderings>Open then shut, then slammed in our face
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x-Nl3_L1pA>But if you could just see the beauty>These things I could never describe>These pleasure's a wayward distraction>This is my one lucky prizeI resonate with the lyrics of Isolation a lot
>>24864298>New Order is not depressing
>>24864894Tbf that is the first album after JD and the singer is just doing an Ian Curtis impression to probably use up some unrecorded materialNone of their subsequent albums.sound like that
>>24863944Marxists are poor cultural meteorologists
>>24864385That just made me think of Sprockets with Mike Myers
>>24863777>We should follow Mark FisherAll his fans should follow him, and kill themselves.
>>24863789It's hard to take Joy Division frivolously.
>>24863944>when exactly joy division became mainstream?. not in his time.There's a reason for that. Dying young is always a good career move.
Gee no wonder this dude hung himself.
>>24863777Fisher is only interesting for his music musings. His take on Sonic Youth was incredibly bad though.
>>24864414What did he mean by that?
>>24863777The hell is he talking about? They literally grew up in 1970s Manchester.
