How do I really get into neoplatonism?I want to be a wizard.
>>24863820The complete works of Plato and Plotinus.
>>24863860Yeah but what's a good read order?
>>24863820>Plotinus, Enneads>Iambichus, Theurgy and the Soul>Iambichus, De Anima>Iambichus, De Mysteriis>Proclus, The Elements of Theology>Sallust, On the Gods and the World>Chaldean Oracles>The Emerald Tablet>Corpus HermeticumRead these and you will become a theurgist
>>24863867Thanks anon, time to start wizardmaxxing
>>24863820Go backwards from Plethon, Mirandola and Ficino.
>>24863874Also listen to dungeon synth
>>24863874Keep us posted Wizanon
>>24863867To add to this, consider reading Porphyry's Isagoge then at the minimum select works of Aristotle's Oreganon, Physics, and Metaphysics. Plotinus assumes you're familiar with and uses Peripatetic terminology throughout the Enneads. You'll be thoroughly lost without at least some familiarization with Aristotle's jargon.>Emerald Tabletskip>Chaldean OraclesSpecifically Proclus' commentary, if only because the full Chaldean Oracles is lost.>SallustRead before Plotinus to get a high level overview of Neoplatonism. This is a very short text.>IamblichusI suggest reading Gregory Shaw's Theurgy and the Soul before tackling Iamblichus since he's a difficult thinker.
>>248642311. Platonism by Mauro Bonazzi (or any other good introduction and overview of (neo)platonism2. Symposium, Eutyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo, Republic, Timaeus and Parmenides by Plato (in that order)3. Enneads by Plotinus>>24863867if you want to get into hermetism, skip the emerald tablet and do not forget to read Asclepius after Corpus Hermeticum (Brian Copenhaver translation is good)
I know it probably isn’t what you want to hear but you need to know Aristotle thoroughly. Hegel himself said that Neoplatonism might as well be called Neoaristotelianism. It’s not just a matter of “jargon”, his thought is everywhere in these guys, and anyone who reads Iamblichus or Proclus without Aristotle, they might have some feels or deep thots, but they’ll basically have no idea what this kind of philosophy is about. On /lit/ most of the people into Neoplatonism are lazy dilettantes and stoners who think this stuff is spooky and kewl. So master Aristotle - this takes at least a year - read his books over and over and over again. Then read Plotinus. If you find Aristotle boring, this isn’t the hobby for you. Anyone itt not recommending Aristotle is an absolute pseud. Oh yeah and read Plato too.
>all these recs for Hermeticism etcAbsolute rubbish. Philosophy is a science, it demands clear thinking, not muddy pictures. Hegel also mocks his contemporaries for gushing over these myths when what’s really interesting is to be found in the turbo-autism of Plato’s Parmenides and the esoteric works of Aristotle. Again if you think this is all too much work you should find another hobby.
>he hasn't transcended monkey tier rationalism Ἵπποι ταί με φέρουσιν, ὅσον τ' ἐπὶ θυμὸς ἱκάνοι,πέμπον
>>24865879Yes, here we go. “I don’t need your thinking mannn I have some super profound emotions.” You don’t understand this tradition and never will because you are lazy and retarded. It’s hard to believe that what people like this get from Plato is “thinking is le bad, eat shrooms instead”, but so it is, this is the world we live in now.
>>24865867>esoteric works of Aristotle Like what? I'm asking genuinely.
so this is how quadrupeds express their thoughts
>>24865916A lot of the greek philosophers were initiated into the Eleusian Mysteries
>>24865834Seconding this. For Neoplatonism, you need to have a decent grasp on Aristotle's nomenclature, and Plotinus' interpretation of Platonism. You almost don't really even need to read Plato himself unless you want to test their interpretations.>>24865927He means the Aristotelian works that everyone reads. They're "esoteric" insofar as they're more difficult and precise than his popular works (which only fragments and paraphrases attest to now), and because they weren't really meant to be published outside of his school, they're specifically for his students and associates.>>24865947Plato gives the side eye to the Mysteries; if you read Phaedo, he tells you that all they amount to is "be virtuous", and if you think the letters are genuine, he faults his friend Dion for grounding his friendships with his eventual murderers in things like the Mysteries instead of in philosophy. Don't forget that Alcibiades was made leader of the procession of the Mysteries after he was reconciled to Athens, and one of the most important figures in running the Mysteries during Plato's youth was Callias III, the one who spent lots of money on the sophists in the Protagoras. Plato knew the Mysteries were infected by politics.
Geometry, don't be ignorant of it
>>24865834>On /lit/ most of the people into Neoplatonism are lazy dilettantes and stoners who think this stuff is spooky and kewl.Plato never read Plato. He's literally me. Based on absolutely nothing I think knowledge is innate, anything Plato might have said is already buried in my "soul" as I like to call it.
>>24863860Plato has nothing to do with Neo-Platonism.>>24863863ProclusOlympidorusPlotinus>>24864231Aristotle is not Neo-Platonism.>>24865879Have you actually read Plethon?
>>24866268>Aristotle is not Neo-Platonism.Not what he said.>Plotinus assumes you're familiar with and uses Peripatetic terminology throughout the Enneads. You'll be thoroughly lost without at least some familiarization with Aristotle's jargon.Which is true, and goes for reading Proclus and etc. as well.
@24866300>jargon>gives me an undergrad run-down of what his professor told him>discards Aristotle commentary, such as Alexander, Philoponus, Ammonius, and Simplicius as its own genreDo not speak to me, creature.
>Ἄγετε δὴ, ὦ θεοὶ λόγιοι, οἵτινές τε καὶ ὅσοι ἐστὲ, oἱ ἐπιστήμας τὲ καὶ δόξας ἀληθεῖς ἐπιτροπεύτε, νέμετέ τε οἷςπερ ἂν ἐθέλητε κατα τοῦ μεγάλου πατρὸς τῶν τε πάντων βασιλέως Διὸς βουλάς and several of his disciples
Numerate.Aristotle is a troglodyte by the way and the people here who shill him are also.
>>24866752The Neoplatonists sure didn't think so.
>>24866023This.Geometry and what >>24865978Anon says
>>24863820Start with the Egyptians
>>24863820Start with the Atlanteans
>>24866930Give recs please. I've only found one author named Jon Peniel
>>24866938Kidagakash is a sublime
>>24863820>>24863867>>24863874Are you trying to artificially induce schizophrenia in yourself?
It’s not worth it. All the autists here make it sound cooler than it is.
