>>24866366
Where's that one anon with the pirate story

>>24866386
the twink assassin pirate story?

>>24866366
>"Morning" edition
>It's 10 PM
ESL

>>24866366
i'm finally writing a pilot draft for my novel after months of daily concepting, worldbuilding, and research/inspo reading.
ive got a consultation with an author/editor on the 18th. when this draft is done (hopefully before the end of the year) i'll drop the pdf here for you guys to poop on. wish me luck :)

>>24866431
Good luck, fren.

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>>24866366
Another wonderful thread about writing. Remember, the act of writing is itself joyous. Never think of it as work, once you are tapping away you will find that you are enjoying yourself more than you would enjoy whatever trifling thing you would allow to distract you.

Do not be let yourself be discouraged. Everyone here understands the joys of the written word.

>>24866403
The sun never sets on the Anglosphere, Anon.

>>24866401
The what?

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You need 10 years to get good at writing.

>>24866746
Actually it's 10,000 hours of working on it, which could easily take more than 10 years if you're not writing consistently

>>24866746
you just need to read. 2ish years tops to read a dozen books or whatever. that's it. just start reading. you're already 90% of the way there, 10% is just outlining a skeletion first draft and then writing the first draft itself.

>>24866729
Esthar!

>>24866769
>listen to my advice on how to succeed
>t. someone with zero success
/wg/ classic

>>24866790
We're just talking about getting good. Being good at writing by no means guarantees the narrowly defined "success" you're talking about

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i will try try writing a superhero story set in a fantasy setting
three special animal people teaming up to form a group
sounds like a dnd campaign tho..

>>24866079
It's not fantasy-slop. I've posted excerpts here before and had good feedback. It's about the modern day. The only fantastical element about it is that the protagonist finds a community that supports him.

I'm working on a ______ for my novella and I'm not sure what word to use there. It's not a sequel because it takes places over the course of the same story from a different character's perspective. "Companion piece" sounds pretentious. Ideas?

2026 will be the year I get published.

Can we have dwarfs fucking elves story?

>>24867062
"Rehash"

>>24866403
you're brown

the twink brown assassin pirate fucking an elf story?

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>>24866664

>>24867236
Write it yourself

You guys also have a hard time finding people to read your stuff? Particularly poetry. People can't seem to go much further than "cool man" or "nice I like". It's kinda sad. I use LLMs sometimes but it just acts as a vapid mirror of validation.

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what does /wg/ think about this?

>>24866366
GOOD MORNING SIRS

>>24867342
It's extremely verbose, the sentences are huge, hard to follow and pretentious. Sorry man

I'm writing a mystery plot with 5 cases, but by far the hardest part is making each case relevant to the next.
It's actually making me go insane

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I actually don't know where I want to focus my story on.
Showing the characters getting their 'wound' and dealing with it
Or years later when their still overcoming it and understanding how they have and haven't healed
If I was smart I'd write both sides but I need to finish shit for once

>>24867342
What's the point of long sentences if there's no conflict or contrast in them to make em' interesting? Ironically the last and shortest sentence has exactly that.

>>24867383
what about long sentences necessitates conflict or contrast? i like them for being propulsive/driving/hypnotic

>>24866403
It's the morning edition. That doesn't mean it was posted in the morning. You're awfully dogmatic and unimaginative for someone who aspires to be a writer.

When he started saying that shit. I wasn't following any of it

>>24867383
Chatgpt hates long sentences.

>>24866366
Lately, I've been joining these discord RP servers. They're just a great creative writing exercise. There's actually some great prose in there.

>>24867143
>To bring forth again in another form without significant alteration.
This would be false advertising since this character's story is significantly different from the other one. Any other bright ideas?

>>24867062
https://www.google.com/search?q=name+for+a+story+that+happens+concurrently+with+another+story
sidequel, paraquel, concurrent story, etc.
seriously, do terminally-online zoomers not google?

>>24868034
>sidequel
>paraquel
I was hoping you guys would come up with a word that wasn't stupid

>>24867930
It also loves em dashes. What's your point?

>>24866366
https://iannewman.blogspot.com/2025/11/ethan-begins-to-speak-these-silly.html

Part three of four or five done. Any and all feedback.

>>24867332
I think using ChatGPT or whatever is fine for checking if your idea is reading properly, but that doesn't mean the idea is good, if that makes sense.

>>24866431
Good luck, buddy.

>>24868079
None of us came up with those words. They existed prior to your query.

>>24868158
>(idiomatic) To manage to produce, deliver, or present (something) by inventing, creating, thinking of, or obtaining it.
At least make sure you're right before you try to be pedantic

Where can I promote a book for free that isn't infested with AI sloppers trying to do the same?

So, you finish the first draft of your story. What are the next plans, other than going through the entire text again and working towards a second draft?

>>24868279
this might be boomerish, but in person. there's a liquor store near me where this lady has like 6 of her books at the counter. online, i feel like your best bet is to just bring people to a blog or website or instagram, etc.

>>24867062
side story
retelling
alternate route/path/branch (like in a visual novel)
spinoff
subplot
parallel story
idk pls dont be mean :(

>>24868279
ask jason how that went for him in seattle

>>24867062
just go with side story

>>24867342
>paragraph long sentence
I think you're retarded.

>>24868308
The sooner you work on the summary, the better off you'll be. It's also something that requires a lot of revision and is critical for your pitch. A lot harder than you would think too, summarizing a novel in the space of less than 200 words.

>>24868034
No zoomers learned to filter research effort by asking retards like you to do the hard work and tell us like a gptbot. We're terminally online anon, gitgud

>>24868079
paraquel is fine
The only reason sequel and prequel don't also look stupid to you is because you've seen and heard those words countless times in your life.

>>24868313
>>24868325
Side story seems like the best option. Maybe I'll call it a parallel story if I'm feeling fancy.

>>24868456
It's not, and your assertion changes nothing about that.

>cant get myself to continue my main story
>keep finding myself writing in-universe documents about my world
>letters about travels
>folklore stories
>cautionary tales
>letters by old scholars reminiscing about their childhood in some town
I think i might be a better writer for grand projects than my own little stuff

>>24868492
no, sounds like you've fallen into the "worldbuilding trap"

>>24868492

You’ve got the world builder’s brain disease. Everybody wants to write an encyclopedia of their world, they don’t want to sit down and do full narrative because it’s hard. You’re the same as the thousands of other guys that never go anywhere. Nobody wants to read an encyclopedia, they want a story. Finish your book.

I did it. 120k words, first full book.

The hardest part of writing a book that nobody ever talks about is blocking. Just getting characters into a scene is hard, especially when you set up their motivation. Getting people and things in the places you need them is incredibly difficult. I found this caused a majority of my writer’s block, just trying to figure out his to get someone into the room.

The other thing I learned is that my prose is different. My background is in copywriting, and forming headlines, so my writing is lyrical and has a rhythm to it. I think people could get tired of it.

It’s also hard to not make chapters feel episodic. I like each chapter having meaning, and moving the plot, but it’s hard not to wrap up the scene, and the chapter finishes instead of driving readers to the next chapter. I don’t think I nailed this.

It’s also hard not to just dump the plot when it’s easy. Holding back, and waiting to explain things gets tricky, and I feel like I’m dangling a carrot needlessly, and my characters are acting unnecessarily cryptic, refusing to elaborate sometimes. I don’t like that either.

>>24868524
post your first chapter

>>24868524
Is it genreslop?

you guys, kimi (k2) can now produce a whole AI slop children's book complete with high-quality illustrations based on nothing more than a shitty prompt
>Create a comprehensive 8-page children's picture book featuring a curious little dolphin named [character name] who dreams of exploring the vast ocean and discovering its hidden wonders. The story should follow the dolphin's journey of courage, friendship, and discovery, with age-appropriate themes suitable for children aged 4-8.Story Requirements:Develop a complete narrative arc with beginning, middle, and endInclude educational elements about ocean life and marine ecosystemsIncorporate themes of curiosity, bravery, friendship, and environmental awarenessWrite engaging, rhythmic text suitable for read-aloudsEnsure each page has 2-4 sentences of story textVisual Requirements:Generate 20 original illustrations in a soft watercolor style with dreamy, ethereal qualitiesUse a gentle, pastel color palette dominated by blues, aqua, coral, and pearl tonesCreate whimsical underwater scenes with flowing seaweed, colorful coral reefs, and magical lighting effectsInclude diverse marine life characters (sea turtles, tropical fish, seahorses, jellyfish, etc.)Design each illustration to complement and enhance the corresponding story textWebpage Presentation Requirements:Format as an interactive digital storybook with smooth page-turning effectsImplement responsive design that works on desktop, tablet, and mobile devicesInclude navigation controls (next/previous page buttons, page counter)Add subtle CSS animations for elements like floating bubbles or gentle wave motionsUse child-friendly, readable typography (large, clear fonts)Incorporate a table of contents or chapter navigationAdd optional audio narration capabilityInclude print-friendly styling optionsEnsure accessibility features (alt text for images, proper heading structure)Create an engaging landing page with the book title and author informationPlease present the complete children's book as a fully functional, beautifully designed webpage that parents and children can enjoy together.
Is this the end for writers and illustrators?

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>>24868535

I’ve shared it before, months ago, since I’ve been working on it for a year. I actually like you guys more than any other writing community because you’re mean and I think the feedback is more constructive because of it. So thank you guys, I couldn’t have gotten this enormous thing done, which has been the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life, without all of you.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ihoo3FwKvuY7I4uUHNCFjI62N83C4U03uM5S1dEJZfY/edit?usp=drivesdk

>>24868548
Yes, it's the end for writers and illustrators, and the beginning of people generating their own books.

>>24868549
I remember this. I think someone criticized it for being very expositional. It's fine though.

>>24868600
He was right thought.
Nobody is going to waste their time reading through all that padding.

>>24868549
It's really good. I would consider opening with him in audience with the cardinals instead where there's more tension, and possibly moving the beginning backstory further in (though some of it can be dispensed with as the dialogue with cardinals explains a lot). I would also change "shit and piss" to something less objectionable like waste/excrement. There are a few places where is too much information probably (unlikely to be within the POV of the protag). There are other minor edits, which you will probably cut out yourself at some point when you force yourself to cut down your manuscript.

>>24868549
It's a little too expositional for me (unironically). But your prose is nice. I think you'd have something special here if you made a whole lot of cuts. Based on this sample I doubt your book needs to be 120K words.

>>24868548
Damn. And to think I hired a writer and artist to make a book.

>>24868634

It’s just me trying to drop the reader in without using a prologue. I agree, the first chapter starts pretty dense, and has a lot of exposition to get the reader up to speed.

I kind of used Scooby Doo as a template, so the first quarter is setting up the MC and the plot, the second two quarters are building the team, traveling, and solving mysteries, and the last quarter is the climax and denouement.

I had planned for 100k, and blew past it as I struggled to get everything wrapped up in a satisfying way.

>>24867342
>Death Grips hoodie
Stopped reading right there, holy shit

I worked on my draft for >16 hours this weekend. I've got a headache, this happen to anybody else?

I've never written anything before or ever considered writing but for a while now my mind has been occupied by two imaginary people and their struggle

>>24868704
Turn back now before it's too late

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>>24866384
It was not. The dream still haunts me.

>>24868685
Cut it down to 80k asap. You will be glad to have less material to edit.

If you leave the beginning in place at least take out the goat's backstory. That way at least it's a bit mysterious why he's hauling a goat around. And it avoids that redundancy when the cardinals talk about it.

>>24868693
lmao

>>24868704
give it a go. ive found writing to be very therapeutic, i just dump my problems onto my characters and make my friends and family read it

>>24868683
>I hired a writer and artist to make a book.
So what the fuck did you do retard

>>24868720
In fact, it might be possible even in the cardinal scene to avoid explaining that the goat talks. In other words you dance around it and create a mystery of "what the heck is going on here?" then when you get to the last line of the chapt, it becomes an "aha" moment.

So there's stuff you can play around with create tension from mystery. People won't complain so much about your exposition, if they are feeling that tension.

>>24868723
I just told you.

>>24868726

The goat doesn’t actually talk.

The story kind of explores how magic and religious fervor makes the supernatural feel real, when things could be better explained by the mundane. It’s a lot like Scooby Doo, where they always initially believe the ghost is real before revealing it’s not. You’d think after doing that a hundred times they’d become more skeptical, but they never do. I feel like that’s how medieval period people would approach the supernatural, because they truly do believe it’s real, even if they’re consistently proven wrong.

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>>24868685
>get the reader up to speed
Bad instinct.

>>24868757

This just makes me want to do it harder.

>>24868738
Well if it's not going to be a novel about a talking demonic goat, then I'm not even going to read chapt 2.

>>24868780

It does a lot more than talk.

>>24868786
Not into bestiality, sorry.

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>>24868789

unless it's one of those uzbek goats with the fat asses

i'm surprised i'm surprised i'd forgotten how low this board has sunk
>>24867358
>>24868348
>feeling smug about lacking reading comprehension
>>24868693
>not reading beyond the 14th word because you dislike a character's clothes

>>24868891
You're not surprised

>>24867342
This is not good

>>24868894
i'm not surprised

>>24868898
that is not good

>>24867342
This is a rich, highly detailed, and evocative piece of writing—a micro-portrait or a deeply immersive scene that tells us a great deal about its subject and his particular obsession. In short, it's a very successful character sketch and exploration of a modern, niche obsession with online curation and the Sisyphean task of perfecting a single piece of writing. It manages to feel both hyper-specific and universal (to anyone who's struggled to find the perfect words).

>>24868891
It has nothing to do with reading comprehension. You don't know how to write and you don't care about your reader. Worse than that, you attribute your bad writing to being smarter than your reader. All fatal mistakes. Go ahead, send that piece of shit off to an editor. If they bother to read it, they're going to give you the same advice. Send it off to an agent who absolutely will not bother. Send it to 20 of each, you'll get the same advice, if any, every single time. Not that it matters, you'll just convince yourself again that it's because you're just too dang smart to be published and literally everyone else is stupid because you're fucking retarded.

>>24868702
I have this issue where I just can't get the story out of my head for a while. It's like I get obsessed with it and can hardly function till I write myself into a burn out. Latest stint lasted a whole fucking week and I pray that I've finally hit the burn out portion. Last couple nights were spent trying to sleep but getting jolted awake as soon as I get to the edge of it cause my mind won't quit. I'm so fucking tired and I have work in the morning. It's a miracle I haven't been fired yet.

Is it important for books to have correct grammar and spelling or could I just release it with many mistakes while still readable?

>>24868961
I know the question is kinda dumb. But are there good books with wrong spelling?

>>24868966
maybe some web novels

>>24868930
it's not because i think it's good, but because of their reasoning—claiming long sentences are inherently bad—that i call out their seeming lack of comprehension. considering your response, i'll clarify that my intention was to make fun of myself—writing one bureaucratically overwrought and overlong sentence (implicitly writing a sentence about writing) about writing another purple-prose-y overwrought and overlong sentence, the sentence i'm writing, the twi sentences sharing structure, scaffolding and phrasing, before undercutting myself, pointing out my own incompetence. that didn't come through, which, if i had any respect for you as readers, would be an extremely bad sign. my impression is that my writing isn't particularly good, but that none of you meaningfully understand how or why.

>>24868930
>>24868974
sorry, i pressed Post while getting off the bus. what i meant to say was: it's not because i think it's good, but because of their reasoning—claiming long sentences are inherently bad—that i call out their seeming lack of comprehension. considering your response, i'll clarify that my intention was to make fun of myself—writing one bureaucratically overwrought and overlong sentence (implicitly writing a sentence about writing the sentence i'm writing) about writing another purple-prose-y overwrought and overlong sentence, the two sentences sharing structure, scaffolding and phrasing, before undercutting myself by pointing out my own incompetence. that didn't come through, which, if i had any respect for you as readers, would be an extremely bad sign. my impression is that my writing isn't particularly good, but that none of you meaningfully understand how or why.

>>24868974
I didn't read it the first time through, because I stopped at Wedding, which implied to me that the rest was going to be nonsensical garbage. But I've read it now and I think it's pretty good. Keep writing, anon.

>>24868978
>i'll clarify that my intention was to make fun of myself—writing one bureaucratically overwrought and overlong sentence (implicitly writing a sentence about writing the sentence i'm writing) about writing another purple-prose-y overwrought and overlong sentence, the two sentences sharing structure, scaffolding and phrasing, before undercutting myself by pointing out my own incompetence.
That's just pretentious bullshit.

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>>24868549 (You) #

I don’t know if I have many scenes that work well in the space of a screenshot.

I’d love to get a better sense if my prose is just too purple or dense, or if the rhythm and alliteration works. I do it through the whole novel.

>>24868997
yeah, i thought about changing it for /wg/. wedding is a borough in Berlin, and "the ring" is a circular railway surrounding the inner city. if you're not familiar with the geography, the phrase is probably impossible to parse. and thanks!
>>24869005
we probably like different books

>>24869015
it has a very AI feel to it

CalmlyWriter should have the option to export to png

>>24869027
You can use Ghostscript to convert most document formats to a series of images.

>>24869028
The dev could do that yeah

>>24869025

I know. I’ve been a copywriter for a long time and use em-dashes, which ChatGPT also liked to use. I just accept that I can’t avoid people saying that, and don’t let it get to me.

>>24866366
Wrote a short story about a sensitive young man. Would love any feedback.

>https://litter.catbox.moe/opj54g8qs5acvpof.pdf

>>24869173
When you bother to format it correctly I will bother to read it.

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>>24869173
>pdf
not today, satan!

>>24869185
What format would you prefer? I can upload an epub but it's not very long.

>>24869187
rentry or something

>>24869188
try this

https://rentry.co/zznfbmi8

If my MC is around 21-22 years old (about to finish college), should I query it as "new adult"?

>>24869187
Formatting like a book which you are ostensibly writing, not format like file type. Indented paragraphs, single line breaks, things like that.

>>24868891
>feeling smug about lacking reading comprehension
It came from a place of genuine advice. I can read long sentences and I can follow. But you don't respect me as a reader, and it shows. It shows even more in your estimation of what I am and am not capable of doing. In short: it's not for me, and I am not sure it's for anyone other than yourself. You can get validation by prompting your prose into an LLM and asking for compliments, it will give them out with an open heart. Almost human like.

>>24869193
Depends on the publisher you’re submitting it to

>>24869193
never even heard of such a category. but if young adult, it is too old for that. it is adult fiction afaik.

>>24869329
>doesnt know the most popular new genre in fiction
>anyway here's my advice on publishing
never change /wg/

>>24869173
Oh my God. Unlike everybody here, you write like a normal human being. That's good.

The ending is rather abrupt and unsatisfying because the story doesn't spend much time showing that Liam thinks about his brothers or parents, and then the ending says this is the most important part of the story.

I'm guessing the point of the story is that Liam doesn't know where life is taking him, but he loves his family. So that means the story should have Liam noticing little acts of love. You definitely take the time and effort to note the details necessary for a slice-of-life story, so if you could make them feel more purposeful. Might be worth having Liam explicitly wonder what love is throughout the story.

Alternatively, you could have Liam continue to focus on himself. He has sleep issues and problems with intrusive thoughts. The moral could be that his family distracts him from these thoughts and Liam is grateful for this. You would need to write his family jolting him away from his thoughts every so often. Or you could go into how Liam is unappreciated by everyone (his teachers, his mother, his father is too tired to really think). This would mean rewriting the ending.

You have the actual reason to read the story (the accurate slice-of-life details) all figured out. You just need to tie it all together.

>>24869081
You can too. Ghostscript can easily convert the exported PDF into a series of images.

Thoughts on writers and books in which a chapter can sometimes simply become a thoughtful essay? I'm thinking about DFW here, long and interesting tangents that mostly just exist to make you think. Good or bad? What might the proper way to incorporate it be? How to merge it without it being too jarring.

>>24869906
Depends. I enjoyed Dorian Grays essay chapter, but also questioned why it was even there. I think it doesn't work well anymore for modern audiences since readers today just want external conflict with shitty internal conflict. There's hardly any nuance. Simply "x did something, made me mad, now I can fight him". That's the extent of internal conflict many modern day books have

>>24869932
Yeah, I suppose so, but I want to reach beyond a little here. We're capable of more as a people than simple cause and effect, surely. Maybe I'll write it out as a draft and post it for someone to read and crab out on, but who knows. I'll skim Dorian Grey alsothougheverbeitperchance

>>24869427
Thanks so much for the helpful feedback. So for some context, the story is loosely autobiographical. It’s kind of what it felt like to grow up with mild/moderate undiagnosed OCD and parents who love you but don’t understand you. I probably could have dived more into that OCD loop because I really just sort of touched on them but I used to have crazy thoughts like “how do I know I really know my parents” hence the sort of alienation Liam has for his father. The stuff about the spinning clocks and intrusive thoughts about God are also sort of pointing to that. The ending is probably more abrupt than it needs to be, but ultimately its supposed to be Liam reaching out from his place of intolerable doubt and trying to let his brothers know that he really sees and understands them, because he doesn’t quite get that from his parents.

Not sure if that background info changes your perception of the piece but thanks again for reading!

I have a lot of scenes, plotlines and characters in my head ready to go that I'm very excited to write and tie into the larger narrative, but I can't iron down some key details about the plot and main character. I just want to get started though lel

Thoughts on zombie apocalypse? I'm still planning the plot and writing the first chapter just to get the direction of the story. I mostly want to keep it grounded, kinda like twd.

There isn't much za book here where I live, 97% of the market is like, yaoi, yuri or erotic shit.

Wanna hear your opinions on this genre.

Hey there fellow writers how have your NaNoWriMo projects been going?

>>24871140
My LLM already generated five books for me

>>24871168
Now ask it to generate you some readers too.

>>24871168
I don't enjoy reading anything I've asked LLMs to produce so far. Tips?

>>24871197
lower your standards

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first two paragraphs for something ill probably tinker with this week instead of my gay Ethan story.

>>24870674
zombies are a guilty pleasure. i liked Coty of the Dead by Brian Keene most recently

>>24871179
The really devastating truth is that AI generated stuff on RoyalRoad has 10s of thousands of readers. It literally can

>start a journal
>actually feels good to write down these thoughts racing in my mind
>feel clearer
wtf this is amazing

>>24871553
Braindead slop inhalers don't count as readers

>>24871622
You've discovered our secret. Writing is a method of thinking. People who don't write don't think as well.

>>24871629
By definition they do

>>24871720
They don't even count as human

>>24871629
who does count as readers then? because every modern reader is brainread. feels kinda cope

>>24871622
this is how my schizophrenia started

When you guys think of plot ideas, do you think of a climax and then work your way logically backwards? Or do you think of a beginning and then write forwards?

>>24872006
I have a premise, brainstorm ideas building off that, then before I get ahead of myself and get lost in the sauce, figure out a satisfying end.

>>24872006
i'm unable to write stories that are more than one sentence wrong

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I want to write a story about a lonely Wizard

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How is this would you read a book written in this style or is it too tryhard and faux biblical?

You retards that claim "biblical style" like Correddit BigMac have never read the bible

>>24872006

I think up the whole novel at once, and then type it up perfectly the first time so I don't have to edit.

>>24872044
I should try that too. sounds easy

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>>24872042
"Biblical style" has become code for "extensive use of polysyndeton." Like the King James version of the bible.

>>24872038
it's fine

>>24872049

I know it sounds like I'm joking, and I kind of am. Think up the whole thing, collect lots of notes, and that might take months. Then outline the thing. Then you can just write it, but it is drudgery. I edit and revise as I go, and don't move onto the next chapter until I feel confident that the chapter is as perfect as I can make it.

It's slow, and it feels like work. But it's smooth.

Successful authors will almost always advise against this strategy because it is slow, and it is more difficult. But I think discovery writing as fast as you can to maximize word count and then finding the story though multiple revisions is just so inefficient. But it is easier and will create more output, especially for newer writers who can improve through multiple iterations as they fine-tune the story, tackling the hard stuff like prose, plotting, and character, once the foundational work is done.

>>24872038
Garbage

>>24872038
>it thrashed violently
>He fought violently
You suck

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>>24866366
So I have a story in a post apocalyptic setting

There's a benevolent character based off The Master from Fallout, who is developing a serum to help humans survive in the harsh wastelands.

I intended him to be a kindly figure, serving as a head scientist for a small group of survivors, and while he is physically infirm and very deformed himself, he has special mutated guards that loyally serve him.

I'm not sure what'd be a good title. I didn't want to just use "The Master" but it's a very good and simple title.

>>24872217
Bodhisattva

Who wrote this Cascadia slop? Is it one of you guys?

How do I get my readers to bear with me? I want to start slowly but I want my readers to trust that there is a point to all the slow. If you picked up Les Misérables in the modern day and it had another name, you probably wouldn't stick with it, right?

>>24872328
Make it interesting. Les Miserables is fucking interesting from the start. You can be slow, but don't be boring.

>>24872335
Right now I basically have a shotgun spread of interesting moments and I'm having trouble connecting them to make a solid piece. Know what I mean? My chapter 1 sucks ass but I need to finish the draft before I go back to it.

>>24872386
Things aren't only interesting because some nifty action happens. It's all about delivery. Having perspective. Having opinions, having vision, eye for detail, vocabulary. Exceeding expectations. I don't know why this is so hard to understand for """writers"""

>>24872429
You just answered a question that I didn't ask, and in such a generic way that I could have gotten the same outcome from any of the myriad sloptubers out there. You might as well have just told me to make it 'real' and 'raw' for all the good that advice did. Don't really know why I expected more, but I feel shame for asking here, regardless.

>>24872025
Oh, so, an autobiography.

>>24869334
"new adult" is a marketing buzzword from a decade ago that failed to materialize into a real category. if you actually spent any time researching agents you'd know they barely mention it. query it as adult and leave it to the agent if there's any benefit in marketing it as "na."

>>24872594
"write what you know"

>>24872478
nobody is going to formulate how to command attention into an algorithmic piece of "advice" for you because it's a talent and it cannot be transferred verbally. you can't expect to walk up to some basketball nigger and be "told" how to jump as high as he does. it's mostly genes plus some training, like everything else. "b-but knowing this doesn't change the outcome of my writing being shit." of course it doesn't, why would it?

>>24872686
Again, answering questions I did not ask. My question is about the structure of the story, probably the only part you can learn and be advised on. I get that you're genuinely low iq or whatever, but would you please stop shitting up the thread with your outbursts? Anyway, no more talky for anon.

>>24872767
no, your question was on how to establish reader trust and command their attention, which has nothing in particular to do with "story structure." i would have thought a magnificent high-iq specimen like yourself would know better than to lie about something anybody can scroll up and check but i guess not.

>>24872478
>in such a generic way
I gave you a lot to chew on, if only you bothered to spend even 10 seconds to actually think about it. But you're not looking for real answers, you want the secret recipe that turns your work into gold without any effort or planning, like every other faggot here. And it doesn't exist.

How long have I been like this
Thats why the world should No, nevermind

Do you know what the definition of insanity is?

Be honest, I bet you use AI and love how easy it is to help you generate paragraphs for your book. If you don't use AI you're going to be left behind

>>24873178
I thought the poop throwing festival killed all of you "people"

>>24873183
AI is great. You should watch this guy. He presents exactly why AI should be utilized.

https://youtu.be/HxvxM5_o2_A?si=NCu4MBDKDsFI3THo

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What are your thoughts on 1st person narrators? I think the existence of a 1st person narrator to tell the story kind of makes their survival a foregone conclusion unless you go either with "and here the writing cuts off" or the HP lovecraft way of "And now I shall end myself for I cannot bear the dark revelation of having seen an ugly person."
I am currently rewriting a story previously written in 3rd person unreliable into an epistolary piece, basically having one person write letters and diary entries about interviews he has with characters, including the main character of the story, where they dictate their experience of events and the framing author puts it together into a diary from several viewpoints.
Do you think it's gonna get too weird due to the layering of framing devices? Or can it do well because it is a more personal medium for the narrator.

>>24873332
Like everything in life. Execution matters more than ideas.

>>24873342
where can I learn execution?
Also, after having read Stephany Meyer's prose, i find that hard to believe.

>>24873448
It mostly comes down to iambic pentameter. Prose is poetry.

>>24872038
It's good
far from tryhard

Today my next book became 1000 words richer

>>24873448
>where can I learn execution?
At the executioner's

>>24872277
Yes but he's super reticent and probably used an LLM to generate his work

>>24872038
awkward prose

>>24872328
Maybe open with a short but exciting scene as if you were doing in media res, then you can start slowly
I think it's a good compromise. Beginning with two or three exciting out-of-place paragraphs before doing what you want isn't that bad.

>>24873448
Say what you want about twilight, but is clearly written, doesn't head hop, has a good enough plot, and most importantly, it executes it's premise well.

Too many anons here want to be David Foster Wallace, but you won't and will never be him. He doesn't open up a thesaurus and string together a bunch of words. Every word is specific to his message

>>24872328
>I want to start slowly
why?

first time i got a response from an agent that wasn't just a form letter rejection. she said the writing was beautiful and intriguing, but ultimately not a good fit. that was from a submission made in june. i'd since cut it down by 75k words and changed the title, but i can't just reply to her because being crafty she didn't respond from her actual email address. oh well. still feels good i guess. it gives me some hope that some of these non-responses from agents are just them sitting on my masterpiece rather than it sitting in the trashcan.

>>24873788
that's was a form rejection anon...I've gotten the same email before.

>>24873332
Im really trying to figure this one out. What's a good form for an epistolary story? Should I try to somehow tell it all as a single document by a single person or should I include "Interviews"?
I think if I do the former, it would be a lot of third person narration from a person based on what those people who were there told him. Having interviews seems more authentic to me. I guess I could have passages like "When he told of this, his eyes drifted off and he mumbled something along the lines of 'beautiful blade work'. How would I do parts where both the interviewed and the interviewer were there for?
Are there good examples of epistolary novels you could recommend? Frankenstein is currently talked about a lot, for obvious reasons.

>>24873813
oh shit

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>>24866366
where are the prompts

>>24873595
>doesn't head hop
Means absolutely nothing. Omniscient isn't inherently better or worse than limited. Good writers can make it work. Bad writers can't.

>>24874204
Unreplied to because half the narcissists here loathe themselves and refuse to share their writing

>>24874258
I shared my Victoria story. Nobody liked it, but I can't figure out why.

>>24874359
4chan doesn't like anything, friend, and in fact they will call even the most respected literary pieces in the world 'dogshit', without exception. So don't use the opinions of this thread as any meaningful metric.
I will also say, without having seen the story you're talking about, that it's very easy to write something technically competent but bland. The vast majority of fiction, even published and edited fiction, fails for a reason. There's an X factor that's very difficult to account for.

>>24874359
IIRC it wasn't bad. Seemed like you were trying too hard to ape the classics, but that method doesn't birth the worst writing.

>>24874216
Fucking this. It made me sad to see the kino ensemble pirate story anon get bombarded with plebs trashing it for "headhopping" and him having to be nice to those cretins. I even got one of those retards to admit they'd told other writers "I can't identify the protagonist" as if that were a legitimate criticism.

>>24874563
>"I can't identify the protagonist" as if that were a legitimate criticism.
no wonder this thread is full of shit writers

>>24874552
ape classics? Heck no. I just wrote a fun historical fiction.

>>24874676
No, you weren't just writing fun historical fiction, I've read fun historical fiction and that wasn't that. It was like discount store Tolstoy.

I wrote seven paragraphs today after a year of nothing. It just fell out of me onto the page, almost effortlessly.

>>24874359
Sharing implies an act of giving.

>>24874736
If that was discounted Tolstoy then I'll take it as a great compliment

So just to be clear
Whatever I post here, I lose first publishing rights on it right

>>24875215
No.

>>24875215
Why would you lose that? The bottom of the page clearly reads "All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties" and "Comments are owned by the Poster".

>>24866664
Time slows down when I'm writing. My longest, most satisfying days happen that way. Really any intensively creative work does that for me.

>>24875211
It was meant as so. However, I encourage you to find your own voice

>>24875215
Technically yes but it's not like we can tell on you

>>24875312
He said first publication right, not copyright. You lose first publication rights when the work is first published, and posting it on a public website technically counts as publishing it

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>(my book by me) is a complex and captivating story. It is a true roller coaster of mystery, fear, obsession, and attitude. The fast-paced plot bursts with action from the very beginning and never slows down. Multiple storylines are skillfully interwoven, creating a web of suspense and surprise. With every twist and turn, I was constantly caught off guard by what happened next. The engaging writing style drew me completely into (the protagonist)’s world, making me feel as though I was living her journey alongside her. The characters felt authentic and relatable, each adding depth to the story.
:)

>>24876188
Do you mind if I put this emblem on the copy of my ebook?

>>24876239
based stolen valor author

>>24874359
it's ok victoriabro, they don't like my victoria story either.

>>24876445
Maybe anons don't like the name Victoria, Victoriabro

>>24876445
there were two?!

>>24875728
In the age of social media, where we have to cultivate an online following in order to have a shred of hope of our work ever making us money, if any publishing house considers free online posting to be "publication", then they're a dinosaur that doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

>>24876511
mine was the mecha one, i posted wips of it shortly in the days and weeks before wng was born, I haven't been posted much of its longer novel-length sequel here with the male protag though

>>24876541
So the /wng/ one is a litrpg mecha fantasy slop and the /wg/ one is historical regency romance slop

We need higher concepts

>>24876538
I'm speaking in technicalities here, and yes, free online posting is technically publishing. However, if your story actually garnered any attention that way (i.e. has the potential to make $), I'm sure they'd look the other way.

>>24876559
Exactly. Andy Weir published "The Martian" on his website for free, and yet he still got a publishing deal.

I try to keep at least 80% of the words in my writing of anglo-saxon origin.

>https://bark-fa.github.io/Anglish-Translator/

Do you capitalize it when you address someone by title only?
"Yes, Lieutenant." or "Yes, lieutenant."

>>24876707
IIRC if you use it as a proper noun (like that) then yes, but if it's a regular noun (i.e., "the lieutenant" or "a lieutenant") you don't.

>>24876689
>I turn on the television to view my favorite series.
>I wend on the show screen to look my beloved line.
neat

>>24876723
gotcha, thanks

>>24877091
a hatred of people is an interest in people

>>24876538
>they're a dinosaur that doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
doesnt matter what you think of them, they're still one of the only major publishers. if you go that route, bow down, conform. thats how it works.

>>24876674
using Andy Weir as an example of anything except 1 in 1,000,000,000 success outs yourself as a retard. you literally have better odds playing the actual lottery

>>24877114
>bow down, conform
Nice integrity you got there, this mentality must make your writing amazing

>>24877119
i would never in my life consider trad pub lmfao, but if you're a cuck and decide to do so, then accept your cucky reality

>>24877125
>sour grapes

>cant actually argue against what I said

>>24877135
>too cowardly to actually reply to me

>still cant

>>24877091
Why do all faggots have the same ugly style

>>24875215
But I get your first night right

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Rainforest isn't a word????

Is anybody in the mood to read 4,632 words of "theatre" (intended to be read moreso than played)?

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>>24877114
Andy Weir's 1-in-a-billion success story is the best chance any of us have. Also, he drew a popular webcomic before self-publishing "The Martian", so he already had an audience. That's not luck, that's hard work.
>>24877132
Have you actually looked at trad-pub these days? All they want is black gay tranny lesbian faggot writing about their "lived experience". Also, tradpubs don't sell anymore.

>spent weeks writing my story
>tired, decide to take a break
>I'm back to my shitty life and boring world
So this is why people write.

>>24877526
>pic
kinda demoralizing, but also hopeful, beacuse I was never going to get trad-published anyway. it's like permission to put my energy elsewhere. substack, youtube, handing out books like mixtapes at a train station, whatever.

>Book is set to be around 300 or so chapters
One thing that I never really considered when I started this was just how unwieldy it would become. If this were a regular-sized book, it would be alright, but none of the software available works very well for what I'm trying to do. The links between scenes, as well as the leaping from one plotline to another, although they make sense in my head, are becoming harder and harder to map out clearly. I know it would be an issue, but I never really considered how much of an issue it would become just trying to navigate the thing.

>>24877630
Wah wah wah wah. Nobody gives a flying fuck about your blog rant.

Bros you NEED to start tracking your progress. I've been pumping my word count up at a stupidly fast pace the day I started tracking my daily word count. I also added a progress bar based on an estimated word count target. Start exploiting your dopamine cycle of you have trouble writing consistently

This is a very retarded question, but how do you know how much exposition vs action vs dialogue to write to keep things flowing smoothly?

>>24877698
here (you) go

>>24866366
r8 https://pastebin.com/r7Z6iuJA

>>24877715
That is indeed a retarded question with no right answer.

>>24877777
checked

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>>24877777
Very nice.

>>24867342
idk why people are hating on this. reads like DFW.

>>24877715
I'm reading Shadow Lands and there isn't a single line of dialogue in it.

>>24877777
As if.

>>24877777
witnessed

>>24877715
like all things in art, you develop a strong intuition for it via practice

An anon reluctantly recommended my book in another thread! I feel good *na na na na na na na*

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Proof AI makes your writing worse.

Gave me this score AFTER i had it check for grammar, typos, and other errors. The original it gave me a 8 out of 10.

>>24878348
>the random number generator generated random numbers

I write a lot but I am terrible at it
I do it because I have no friends so I create my friends through my writing
I have thousands of pages of random writings talking to my friends

>>24878868
Time to make the leap to tulpamancy bro.

>>24878888
A tulpa is a physical manifestation of mental energy. Never understood how it became an invisible friend club. Nice digits tho

>>24878899
>Never understood how it became an invisible friend club
simple: bronies.

Is it just me or does it make no sense for a hivemind being (a single entity spread across multiple bodies) to use plural pronouns?

>>24878917
Even your own mind isn't a single being. I learned to separate myself from my body, inner monologue, inner imagery, inner thought process, and so on. retraining my inner monologue to use plural pronouns (temporarily) caused me to start to see the distinctions inside my mind sharper, and I could see the preverbal unconscious formulations producing thoughts more clearly. A hivemind might be a single consciousness but would have thoughts entering into it through billions more of such subprocesses which it would be aware of as distinct from itself.

>>24878922
>your own mind isn't a single being
Maybe not yours, schizo

>>24878943
>schizo
I achieved an intentional and temporary altered state of consciousness which I can enter again at any time through various techniques. This gave me higher insight into the nature of my own mind. You probably just recognized my superiority and it made you insecure.

>>24878868
same
it helped me with my depression to make my own manic pixie dream girl (fairy edition)

>>24878944
>says "some poet" to make it seem like it's not a big deal he knows about it and can't be bothered to recall the name
>but remembers the specific detail that it was published posthumously
>then contradicts this by trying to feign ignorance and seem erudite at the same time by now recalling that it was actually two authors
>all this to quote literally just applying one adjective to a month, not even an interesting metaphor of any kind
>italicizes common phrase as if we're supposed to know that he's quoting something specific
>"Frying pan, fire"
>Intentionally leaves the text cursor in the screenshot
I hope the narrator got bullied in school

>>24878989
is this an AI response? I remember that it was robert graves who said it but why would I ever include that in the first paragraph.
>Intentionally leaves the text cursor in the screenshot
obv
>got bullied in school
yeah I did and what?
>italicizes common phrase as if we're supposed to know that he's quoting something specific
nevermind, I'm replying to an idiot

>>24879035
>but why would I ever include that in the first paragraph.
if your goal was to come off as incredibly pretentious and insecure, then by all means pretending not to know who it was was the right choice.

>>24879067
I hate using this but ... read more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG5KdlL335U&t=441s

alright anons. so you finished your book's final draft and you've wowed a publishing company and now you're a legitimate published author. how would you shill your book?

>>24879087
Take the Honor Levy/F Garner route and post incessantly about myself pretending to be someone else

>>24879087
If you went with a tradpubber, they’d likely take care of the brunt of the advertising for you, I would assume
I self published, about 2 months in and I have 89 sales. The best way I found was to just post on reddit, but ads on 4chan and RR also helped. I’m scheduled for a zoom meeting tomorrow with a professional advertiser I met through nepotism, who supposedly gave my uncle a fuckton of sales on his self help book

>>24878944
This is just ranting

>>24879095
so is most post-war brit lit but iirc doesn’t moby d begin w the same tone.

>>24879094
>I would assume
sweet summer child

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Phone Booth

"Here, kid, it helps to put a face to a name."
I had always been the quiet sort. I was never one to crack a joke in front of an authority figure or vandalize public property. I was a good kid, I kept quiet.

"Step closer to the light so I can see you."

She was pale, oval-faced. Spoke in plain English, earthy. She wore a tan trenchcoat over a striped blouse. She wanted to change her name and move to Sweden. I told her don't be ridiculous, Sweden's much too cold for a skinny little cat like her. She takes a long drag of her cigarette, points it at me.

"What does that make you, some kind of wounded soldier?"

When I see her, all I feel is the knife, a knife sketching over cauterized skin, tracing and retracing the same points, disparate, meaningless to the outside observer, like a street musician tuning his instrument for an ambivalent audience, listening for the correct intervals. She's hungry for that. I know she is. The first cut. Flesh screaming out in lonesome agony.

I told her to wait here, that I would go in and pay. Rung the little bell and wrote a tip for the waitress.

We took a trip across Albany, kept the windows down and the seats low. We landed at a lakeside town and held a midnight picnic, danced and made our vows. I promised never to be boring. She promised never to be hateful.

When I think about her now, I wonder how she ended up. If she persisted in the impossibility of the moment I came to know as her, or if she finally settled down, got married to a lawyer like her family wanted. We talked once on the phone, she said she doesn't think about it much.

I still see her, in strangers on the bus, or at that old diner we used to go to. I think about calling her up sometimes, but I think I'd just make her cry, the way I always used to do. She told me things are a little bit different now, and that that's okay, that I should learn to accept it. Heavy breathing down the other end of the line. A quick one before that damn bird leaves Poughkeepsie forever.

Challenge: write a story that only has female character but still manages to fail the bechdel test

>notice nobody has an ad up on /lit/
>put one up to see what happens
>suddenly every hack /lit/izen author is vying for that ad space
wtf
Whatever. Never advertising here again anyway. Literally generated more sales posting on Facebook groups.

>>24879345
Cascadia is making a fuck ton of sales

>>24879387
>There are 0 customer reviews.
Sure it is buddy, I'm sure F Gardner is making a killing too

How do you know when your story is ready to be published? Or even sent to agents?

>>24879979
You don't! But it is.

>>24879979
Many writers never consider their work "finished," they just stop themselves from working on it after a while

It feels like I can be a successful writer when I approach prose in a clinical, direct style that simply gets the job done. I wouldn't call it great, but the end result of a business-like approach is something people seem to like to read, perhaps because the ideas are put significantly above the text itself.

When I try to eschew that and write prose that's good for its own sake, perhaps to feel more artistic and perhaps to feel better about myself, it fails utterly. I intuitively know how to phrase a person walking from one end of the room to another before opening a door. I don't know how to balance metaphors, make evocative language impactful rather than cheesy, or any of that stuff. I asked chatgpt to compare a paragraph I wrote attempting to evoke Lolita with the original passage; it said that Nabokov is on another plane of existence from me.

Anyone else know this feel? I'm not ungrateful to have a high verbal IQ (that's a joke), but I feel a certain despondency that I'm decades of hard practice away from even being able to approach the greats. Then again, it would be arrogance to expect only 5 years and 8 million words of practice to be enough to get there.

>>24880202
>I asked chatgpt to analyze my work and took any of the nonsense it generated remotely seriously
yuck

>>24880212
You should take it more seriously, though I included that anecdote for engagement bait. It's thanks to GPT recommendation that I read through Roland Barthes's The Rustle of Language, which is a seminal work on the art of writing yet probably only 10 people on this board have heard of it.

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>>24880220
>take it more seriously
You are not special for knowing about Barthes you mental midget

>>24880357
I didn't say Barthes. I said the Rustle of Language. Which you haven't read, and which has been mentioned on this entire board less than 10 times in over a decade.

>>24880372
Probably because Death of the Author is his actual seminal work and not just some shit an LLM dug up for you

>>24880288
AI slop

>>24880385
I only used AI to make the cover.

>>24880376
Death of the Author is in the Rustle of Language, bro. You're getting weirdly defensive about being ignorant.

>>24880387
You also fed it into an AI to "polish" it

>>24880400
And?

>>24880405
And learn how to write without training wheels

>>24880405
Well, that means you lied when he called it AI slop. You lied because you didn't want to say you used AI to write it. Why made you feel the urge to lie and hide the truth? That is the answer to your 'and.'

>>24880414
I wrote the first draft without AI. I ain't gonna waste time writing out more of them.

>>24880415
>you lied
And?

>>24880420
And that lack of commitment is why you'll never write anything worth a damn

>>24880391
You're getting adequately defensive about taking anything an LLM tells you seriously, something you know is dumb

>>24880425
My writing rocks your wife's panties off. You're afraid of AI like a monkey is afraid of fire.

>>24880431
You could argue disgust is a subset of fear so I suppose you're right

>>24880433
I know for a fact that it ain't because I'm disgusted by you and I don't consider you to be a threat.

>>24880420
>i don’t like writing
don’t write then

>>24880440
Isn't it? You become disgusted by something because you fear it could contaminate you. Like how reading too much LLM slop lowers your standards

>>24880444
Wasted trips. I will make more stories for Wattpad just to spite you.

>>24880447
I not worried about catching AIDS from you because I'm not a fag.

>>24880454
Yes, but I could still drug you and rape you

>>24880444
trips of truth

>>24880458
You can try.

>>24880461
I was just posing a hypothetical, pervert

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>>24880462
forgot my pic.

>>24880454
only spiting yourself

>>24880460
You only say that because you're a tryhard who doesn't think anything is real writing unless you spend an inordinate amount of time writing draft upon draft again and again. AI is the wave of the future. Get used to it.

>>24880469
Let him cut off his nose, anon

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>>24880470
>doesn't think anything is real writing unless you spend an inordinate amount of time writing draft upon draft again and again

>>24880469
By fulfilling my higher purpose in life? If you're trying to gaslight me, you're really bad at it.

>>24880472
Cliches: Rhetorical slop.

>>24880474
Why don't you write on vellum, then? Only poseurs use paper.

>>24880428
Nothing I've said is defensive. I've casually pointed out flaws in responses, prompting you (?) to shift your criticism like smoke each time, but in terms of my own position I've not put forth a defense of it.

>>24880481
I write exclusively on stone tablets, thank you very much. Laugh if you want, but we'll see whose writing outlasts whose.

>>24880482
>Nothing I've said is defensive
This sentence alone is literally a defense dummy

>>24880490
>Anon, why are you pooping your pants in public while waving a diaper around like a flag?
>I'm not doing any of that.
>Wow, defensive much? What a freak

>>24880496
Look in the mirror to find the one who brought up getting defensive. I took the offensive, calling you out for taking an LLM seriously, something your posts have thus far avoided addressing

>>24880481
by doing something that isn’t your vocation.

>>24880510
Yeah, I've 'avoided addressing' it because I'm not being defensive about it, I'm pointing out that your offensiveness is empty and flawed, reflecting a desire to protect one's ego at any cost, aka a manifestation of defensiveness.

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>>24880568
NTA but this is a pretty bad look

>>24880631
I'm not that guy. It's just coincidence he posted AI shit after me.

>>24880568
projecting

I've used AI a few times to line edit and check for grammar, but when i reread the line edit, it doesn't sound right. but I am ESL as well. Do i trust the jeet machine or my own instincts?

>>24880812
lol what does /li/ dislike more: AI or ESLs? that is the question.

>>24880288
Please do not post AI slop here. This is a bannable offense.

>>24879979
If you haven't at least cut it down by 20% or so, you are not ready to submit.

>>24879979
If you only have one story I can promise that it's not ready

>>24880812
instincts
not sounding like AI slop is worth being grammatically incorrect

>>24880288
When you feed writing into AI, only make changes that you would have been able to make yourself without the help of AI.
>my bananana was so long
yes, you can fix the spelling of banana
>the writing would be so much spicier if you used an em dash
ignore this criticism

>>24881082
>only make it make certain changes
I feel like I've seen posts from anons who tried doing this and it ended up making other random changes

>>24881092
You just ignore the changes you aren't comfortable making.

prompt:
>trapaholics bietjh damn sun where'd you find this we make it look ez
spelling and grammar check the above please

chatGPT:
You're the next Shakespeare! Here are some tiny corrections you might consider making.
* bietjh should be bitch
* sun should be son
* ez should be easy

And then you'd go back to your draft, fix bietjh and sun and leave ez alone (because it's a stylistic choice).

>>24879979
as other said - you don't. and it'll likely never be finished as long as you live on, develop, learn, and simply become a different person. that can happen as fast as a week, a month.

I treat a work as finished once it's been published. maybe I'll have an excuse to tinker with it again if I collect em into a collection, or incorporate into a larger story.

I don't get how anyone serious about writing and expressing themselves can take GPT advice. Sure, I used it to catch grammar mistakes/tense shifts (even then it's not a 100% guarantee, and it'll tell me I made mistakes when it's a stylistic choice), but whenever it DARES to make a narrative suggestions, or a characterization suggestions, I just cringe.

GPT has the most dogshit ideas I've ever seen. it's like asking the most cliche brained 13 year old how they'd tell a story. the blunders it makes are insane. RIP to your work if you allow GPT to touch any aspect of its actual core and not just typo catching read-throughs

>This thread fell so hard jeets are now posting their AI slop from fucking wattpad

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my dick smells. better than my writing?

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rate and hate

>>24881123
>having the AI point out your errors so you can comb through a fix them manually
You vastly overestimate the industriousness of the average AI slopper

>>24881615
Not bad

>>24881309
Eh

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>>24881652
>eh
i will fuckin take it buddyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!