I feel like one of the many reasons why west is getting surpassed by Asian countries like China is because there is no rigor given to school education in the west compared to Chinese or other Asian schools. Though Western unversities were still fine but they are seriously getting crapier day by day. One of the many reasons of why west managed to conquer the world through out last four centuries is because of insanely intelligent people nurtured by equally insane education system aka Classical education system. So, should we reintroduce those subjects albeit in a modern form?
>>24867646Modern universities are all about producing doctors and engineers and STEMcels, and nothing to do with culture, virtue and morality. It is important to be able to compete with the East on this, but it is certainly true that our modern malaise is partially due to the cultural wasteland we have created. Philosophy departments push nothing but decadent modern philosophies and leftism, while literature classes dwell endlessly on the screeds of resentful brown people. We need to be focusing on ancient classical lit and philosophy, Christian scholastics, and modern science. This would lay the foundations for an actual healthy western culture. It all flows down from the elite.
>>24867646No, because that sucked ass too. Only pre-Roman pre-Abrahamic
>>24867655anyone who uses 'abrahamic' is retarded
>>24867655>No, because that sucked ass too.The medieval education had their own limitations. I am not denying that. That's why I said an improvised version of classical education. The demerits of modern education far outweigh the demerits of medieval education. It doesn't mean we should roll back. The improvisations I am talking about is incorporation of applied sciences and Mathematics which were not really the core subjects in classical education as Theology was at the forefront. In modern world we need Science and Math but not in the way modern education teaches us.
>>24867646Open a true liberal arts college. Students would study mathematics, the classics, physics and literature. Not sure what jobs they’d get but they’d be smart
>>24867646Basically the ship is going down. All the talent has already fled (with their money), and now what's left is retarded gangsters and kosher politicians asset stripping western nations for everything they can. That's why the biggest industry these days is fucking gambling and liquor.When a society doesn't produce anything of value, and all wealth is generated by stealing from others, eventually you get a circle of the fattest, greediest, most opprotunistic theives patting themselves on the back for their "success" and a starving population watching them hungerly and sharpening their knives. This state of affairs cannot last, in hindsight it was inevitable once the west started offshoring industry.There's a threshold where everyone realizes they have more to lose by the system continuing to exist than vice versa. My advice to you is not to be blindsided when things stop functioning "the way they're supposed to". Usually these crises are resolved by picking out a group of people, liquidating them, and injecting that capital back into markets to get things running again. In Germany this was the Jews, in America the Japanese. It would be nice if we could reform the system to allocate wealth according to actual productive abilities, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that the powers that be have absolutely zero interest in even considering that option.Lately I've been thinking a lot about Gregory Stanton's stages of genocide. It wasn't inteded to be so, but it provides a very useful blueprint for what is going to happen (what needs to happen, if things are to go back to normal). The biggest problem is that, despite what /pol/tards like to believe, wealth and power is largely concentrated among the biggest scoundrals of every ethnic group and religious community. There are also plenty of wealthy people who are not only completely innocent, but exemplary members of society, so simply "eating the rich" would in practice being a catastrophy (and has been, in every communist country that has tried it). Again, the best solution is to reintroduce accountability into the system, root out bad actors, punish them accordingly without violating (too much, it will be necessary at least a little bit to root out organized crime; Benito Mussolini's war against the Sicilian Mafia or the Anglo persecution of Scotish clans are worthwhile examples to study) the principles of our free and open liberal society. HOWEVER, again, the powers that be are completely opposed to this and since they're the ones controlling much of government, courts, police, etc. it is not so easy to implement.So we've got two very bad options, one is to simply accept a permanent and ceasless decline while every last bit of wealth is squeezed from the middle class. The second, to pick out an arbitrary group of people for the slaughterhouse, and hope that their gold fillings and empty homes will be enough to get the wheels of industry turning again.
>>24867794The best option, I think, for our generation, is to clearly articulate what accountability looks like. We need clear metrics for determining who the winners and losers of the new system will be. A good example to follow will be distributism's inherent distain for concentrations of power: spread the wealth around, spread the land around, and we can get back to that vigerous middle class which is so necessary for the well-being of liberal societies. Communists are right, of course, that power attracts power and tends to concentrate, but simply swapping out the elites with a 'worker aristocracy' does nothing to resolve the core issues. In fact, it's much worse because the proletariat is almost definitionally Aristotle's natural slaves, so making them rulers over anything would be trying to introduce a permanent Saturnalia and I don't know if the west is ready for that kind of a hangover.Once we can articulate a new "rules of engagement" for the economy. Vigerous anti-trust laws, anti-corruption purges, and treason charges followed by a quick (and very public, preferably live streamed on national television) trip to the guillotine for a few extreme bad apples (the fact this hasn't happened to the Sackler's yet is proof of just how badly the gangreen has gotten) would be enough to get the rest of society to fall into line. Properly done such a crackdown could provide sufficiant capital liquidation to get money flowing again, one billionaire is worth a thousand plebs for all intents and purposes in the blood offering I am describing.Once the basic ideological framework can be established it is a simple matter of convincing the military to implement it. This is easier than it sounds, and has happened countless times in history. However it requires a great deal of public chaos and private flattery of the right generals and officers. But people need a narrative that makes sense. "Babylon requires human sacrifice, the rains will not fall until rivers of blood have been offered to the dark ones" is not a compelling story for driving mass action, even if it's the most accurate assesment of our current situation. Kingship, interestingly, finds its protogenesis in the sacrificial rites of temple politics. Sovereignty, and espescially jus primae noctis, was the carrot to incentivize the sacrifical lamb to go willingly to their fate. All these eons later and nothing has really changed.
>>24867652I don't think the Chinese are placing any more emphasis on 'Virtue' or 'Truth' any more than the West. If anything, it's actually worse in China and India; they only care about doctors and engineers.
>>24867794Yes. We are in the looting phase of civilization.
>>24867646How does one go about self-learning a Classical education? Is the roadmap:>Plato>Aristotle>Latin>Greek>Logic>Arithmetic>Geometry>Calculus>Analysis
It's the American mindset that has failed, not the school.
>>24867854Yep. take what you can and get out, the West will rise again in South America and we have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be a part of the criollo ruling class. North America is slated for the chopping block, sadly. There's just too much wealth to keep the wolves and buzzards from circling.
>>24867869Its not a American issue only. The issue lies with all the western countries. After WW2 western countries just lost that lifeforce which moved them for centuries.
>>24867893I don't think South America will amount to anything post-America collapse.
>>24867907This.
>>24867854books on this?
>>24867854Expanding upon this further, civilization is the end result of a culture (read Spengler's Decline of the West). The phases of civilization are:FoundationExpansionSummitDeclineExtractionDeathThe names of each phase are fairly obvious, so I won't explain most of them. Extraction is just a synonymous word for looting. Once a civilization dies, the elite reinjects capital that has been liquidated during the extraction phase into the succeeding culture.
>>24867991Oswald Spengler's Decline of the WestJoseph Schumpeter's Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy
>>24867991Additionally, read Edward Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.
>why west is getting surpassed by Asian countriesLmao OP what brown shithole are you from? Every single parents dream in China is for their kid to go to MIT and Harvard and build a life in America. Didn’t Xi Jinping send his daughter to Harvard under a pseudonym? ROFL
>>24867794Good take. Any recs or insight on who 'TPTB' are?
>>24868008On the Jews and their Lies by Martin Luther
>>24868008Obviously it's a tragedy any time something like this happens, but if I had to describe the most convenient scapegoat it would probably be a minority that's small and insular enough to not spiral into a full blown civil war/balkanization, is wealthy enough to be worth liquidating, and has their own country they can flee to in order to avoid excessive loss of innocent life. All the better if there is a long history/literary tradition of scapegoating these people for social ills that can be drawn on. Better still if they actually are disproportionately involved in henious shit like raping/murdering kids and organized crime. But I have no idea who such a people would be or how to identify them. And obviously simply blaming a group of people would be pointless if the sacrifice wasn't used to usher in real systemic reforms and redistribution of land. Like >>24867993 said, we will need to develop an entirely new culture afterwards, otherwise it will just be the pointless lashing out of a cruel and moribund people.
>>24867794>>24867822>>24868273Also, to ease my conscience for even stating these observations, I want to point out that none of this is necessary if we simply reform the system. The biggest crisis of capitalism at the moment is a lack of consumers. Rent extraction systemically pulls almost half the earned wages from the working class. IF we instituted serious land reforms (everybody has a place to live, for free) and basic food distribution (so all basic needs of food and shelter are met) it would be such a blow to labour markets that corporations would be forced to reform themselves to actually be attractive places to work and provide enough surplus value to attract workers. Additionally, just as much as offshoring industry has been a disaster, this could be entirely counteracted by removing minimum wage laws and other expenses placed on corporations (healthcare, dental, vacation, etc.). If making a business was as simple as paying your budy $5 an hour to sew logos on tee-shirts in your basement (and everybody had a basement), it would create a massive outpouring of entrepreneurial energy as people could direct their talents towards the actual creation of wealth as opposed to bare survival.We could even expand mass immigration ten fold (ensuring a constant supply of cheap labour) if people were secure in their ability to have a home and community (we can look at Indian Reservations in the USA and Canada to see what such a thing would look like, the land leases of Singapore and China are also an interesting deviation away from Anglo capitalism and towards something much better).People naturally want to create and grow. The problem is when the system is hijacked by a few greedy bad actors who confuse the suffering of others for their own prosperity. There is at present a massive population of working and land-owning people who would oppose even the most even-handed and beneficial reforms simply because they would take it as a personal slight to see people getting ahead where they had to suffer. Malcom X described the figure of the house negro, and it's becoming increasingly clear to me that these people, even more so than most elites, are the true problem holding us back.
>>24868331>>24867991I'm kind of siderailing this thread but another book on the topic of economic crisis and opulance is The Accursed Share by George Battaile. He's a Marxist though, so dont take his dialectical materialism nonsense too seriously.
>>24868393Actually, spitballing off of that, my single biggest influence for the above thoughts is Franz Boas' Secret Societies of the Kwakiutl Indians, which all but spells it out that human sacrifice is the metaphysical foundation of political sovereignty. He was a huge influence on Bataille, and (imo) a much better thinker, less given to flights of fancy and able to commit himself to analytical observations.
>>24868414Qrd on this since I’ve read similar things from euro occultists I wonder…
>>24867652Modern American universities push a lot more social programs aimed to keep us fighting than Asia. That is their truth and moral contribution to the academia that they think is healing the world. Do you honestly think Asian Universities care about African intersectional feminism?
>>24868434Correct. Asiatics are bug people who don't care about Virtue or "Virtue."
>>24868420It's a very detailed description of the cannibal rites of Pacific Northwest Hamatsa societies, elite warrior societies that ruled over the PNW before colonial rule. These groups still exist today, albeit in a reduced form and no longer practicing cannibalism. The advantage of Boas over French theorists (Claude Levi Strauss also wrote a book about similar topics called Song of the Masks I believe) is that as an anthropologist he avoids metaphysical speculation and sticks to simply describing the rituals and the role that these secret societies play within their broader profane society. He lets the reader draw their own conclusions, but its easy to draw parallels with organizations like the Freemasons, Skull and Bones, and other groups I won't bother naming.
>>24868445Gemmy, added to my list. Thank you based anon for a serious reply, that is exactly up my alley. While I have you any more on the same vein?
>>24868455It's a little known book, but Jim McDowell's Hamatsa: The Enigma of Cannibalism on the Pacific Northwest Coast is great and goes into a lot more detail on the Hamatsa cult while citing other authors and more recent studies.If you enjoy the aesthetics of the Pacific Northwest, while they aren't really metaphysical (at least not to the same extent) I'd highly reccomend King David Kalakaua's Myths and Legends of Hawaii as well as Emily Pauline Johnson's Legends of Vancouver. Raven Publishing has a series of books written by James Gilbert which goes into formline artwork, which is an expression of a certain way of thinking and describing the world. Since the religious traditions of the hamatsa and other groups were oral, not written, its useful to understand the visual language used for expressing their philsophy.For general anthropology, and he's been popular on /lit/ for a while so you might have already encountered him, but Roberto Calasso is great. In paticular I'd reccomend the Celestial Hunter as an accessible introduction to him that deals with Greek myths while also illuminating a lot of the concepts which are seen in hunter mythologies, shamanism, etc. If you want to really challenge yourself, try reading The Ruin of Kasch cocurrently with Henry Kissinger's A World Restored. They both examine the same historical period, Calasso through an anthropological-mythical lense and Kissinger drawing heavily from German philosophy and espescially Oswald Spengler. Actually there are a lot of parallels between how Metternich's delicate balance of power was able to buy the European aristocracy a century to adjust to liberalism and what's going on right now with the rise of so many "new" ideologies. Did I mention Franz Boas? He's a genius. Read him and reread him. There's something to be said about writers who simply decribe the world without trying to force it into an interpretive lense.Finally Viveiros de Castro's Cannibal Metaphysics deserves an honourable mention. Because I haven't read it, but I've heard a lot of good things about it.
>>24867907I would wager its because of a lack of a clearly defined enemy.
>>24868414Ah I see, you're one of those people that denies race is biological.
>>24867652FPBP>>24867849They do have a cultural self-respect that is utterly lacking in the west. You can't read a western history without all of the primary sources being lambasted as ridiculous and fallacious, can't entertain philosophical points made by men who deviate from modern social mores, and can't read literature that isn't reflexively harmful to its constituents in that typical passive-aggressive fashion.
Asian education makes you want to kill yourself.
>>24868609It's an irrelevant discussion to have because race is entirely percieved in hindsight, while the survival of your genetic lineage is dependent on future events (with civil war/ethnic cleansings being paticularly distructive to genetic diversity and by extension the survival of your progeny).Race is teleological. You /pol/tards should read Nietzsche's comments on Darwin.>but but muh racial purityNonesense. Even in a closed system genetic drift is an easily observable phenomenon. You people are going to destroy the white race by dragging us into a pointless race war when all we really need is to increase our birthrate by 0.6. Mass conversions to Islam would do more for the white race than what you retards have planned.
>>24867646Lol, It will never happen.Schools and universities, not only in the west but across the whole world want to produce docile cattle that turns the economy wheel and nothing more.They just prepare you to have enough and specific knowledge to serve the masters ruling those countries financially. But not knowledgeable enough to questionning your life and the environment. Medievial and Ancient Roman and Greek education system (based on trivium) is enlightening. It will produce disciples that serves the system, but also you have a high risk of producing catastrophically revolting disciple and people that can turn the tables or great thinkers that will produce those in a coming loop. And that's why you can see how many great figures and revolutionary thinkers, politicians, philosophers and scientists and generals were in the past, but instinct right now even when arrived at peak of evolution.The educational systems right now only serves the power rulers and not the disciple himself. Based on the mid 19th century Prussian education. It only designed to produce cogs, screw, pistons and belts (in excess for replacement, even if not employed) just turn the economy engine of the world without stop.
>>24868602Kino, rarely am I blessed with a helpful litposter I’ll be sure to pay it forward. Many thanks.
>>24867652>Modern universities are all about producing doctors and engineers and STEMcels, and nothing to do with culture, virtue and morality.Yeah, no shit. They want a technical managerial class, tools to their ends, not people to disrupt them.
>>24868331>we can look at Indian Reservations in the USAHave you been to a rez? The people have nothing to live for, even when handed money and land. The elders call it Indian sickness aka a spirituality crisis.
>>24868858I grew up next to a rez, knew a lot of people involved in tribal politics as well as natives living off-rez who wanted nothing to do with it.The problems in those communities have everything to do with several generations of Indians getting kidnapped and raped. Comunal owenership of land/businesses is one of the few things helping those communities pull themselves out of poverty/nihilism, and if someone doesn't like it they can always fuck off and live elsewhere.
>>24867862>Classical education>CalculusYou chuds are so unbelievably retarded
>>24869000I’ve been to a res. Why are you lying? I passed through because we were on a hunting trip. It’s quite literally the Wild West. Chickens and cows in the street, dilapidated roads, a “church” and a “school” that were run down to shit that covers all grades K-12. Your taxes pay these chiefs to buy property in Miami.
>>24868784Enjoy anon. The Jim McDowell book is a lot of fun if you enjoy historical investigations.
>>24867646>>24867652No, the West doesn't need more trad-larping 'RETVRN' bullshit. You're not handling the problems with (post-)modernity, you're engaging in a childish pastiche which has already been called out (Jameson) as a unique type of mental illness within contemporary society. It's just so embarrassing too. You never give an actual reason how this would achieve anything. It's obvious to any onlooker that you're associating age and a sense of traditionalism with quality simply by default. This is the same wavelength that third world browns operate on, when they look through cow shit because the ancient text such-and-such suggested one should do so.
>>24869115Your condescending attitude is very effeminate. All of the other replies already explained what is wrong with our post-modern shithole. Traditions and customs give you strength to fight and a purpose to pursue, or a bloodline to preserve. And while I would agree that Zoomers Christianity is a mere larp, a revival of classical value in education is a whole other issue.
>>24869184Your attempted flight from postmodernity just pushes you deeper into the postmodern condition. That's the problem with trad larping and with pastiche more generally. It's not enough to simply insist on tradition. The traditions and customs of the ancient world existed within an entirely different symbolic universe than ours.I'm condescending in response to condescension. To write off the entirety of recent philosophy because it's "decadent" and "leftist" is just a nonsense anti-intellectual attitude, especially when those "decadent leftists" have penned far greater analyses of the postmodern condition than anybody else.
>>24867646No
>>24869219Modern intellectuals are worthless and haven't contributed anything meaningful to society except for endless subversion and perversion
