Why do chuds like him?
>>24873586ummm ackshually the academy loves because he doesnt afraid of anything
>>24873586Free card for edgy 15 year olds to be dickheads and pretend to be smart about it.
>Die Schwachen und Mißratenen sollen zugrunde gehen: erster Satz unsrer Menschenliebe. Und man soll ihnen noch dazu helfen.Based!
>>24873586They still think of nazis as ubermen
What the fuck? The biggest nietzscheans were 20th century french intellectuals who are notorious for going against all chuddy ideals, and were also very degenerate to boot. The only nietzschean chud I think is evola
>>24873735>Sexually active Frenchmen and women>very degenerate
Nietzsche is the worst human who ever lived.
Nietzsche is the best human who ever lived.
>>24873586Blud said might makes right duh
>>24874714
>>24874183De Beauvoir groomed students into fucking her and Sartre. Foucault and other French intellectuals signed a petition in the 60s to lower the age of consent. French being French.
>>24874183Do you not no who Sartre was or are you just pretending to be retarded
>>24873586Because he's aggressive and doesn't hide behind a wall of "I could have said that but you can't prove it."
>>24874752That's why one should read Kant instead of this syphilitic fool.
>>24873586Because he's right.His ideas work better to model history and other people's philosophy than what other philosophers have going on. Most other philosophy is just mistaking language as the master of reality, when it's really the opposite>>24873735Evola wasn't a Nietzschean, he held ideas in higher regard than reality.>>24874714No he didn't. If anything, he said that "right makes might". A large part of his project is tracing how certain moralities evolved to empower those who created them. That includes both slave morality and master morality. And while he liked master morality compared to slave morality, he still saw it as naive and wanted something better.
>>24874766>t.
>>24874768I look like this and say this
>Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe freevs>The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our love of man. And they shall even be given every assistanceChuds, by which I guess you mean right wing people, are likely to be opposed to a politics based on pity, like Nietzsche was.Of course, Nietzsche was opposed to nationalism, so the relationship is only instrumental.
>>24873586No chud has actually read Nietzsche, and if anything modern chuds hate him for his association with atheism
>>24873586Only the most radical chuds (O9A, AWD) seem to be into him, although they miss or ignore his critiques on people that inflict suffering on others for "power".
Because he's (at least at first glance) easy and digestible for people with no significant intellectual ability or cultivation. He's very appealing to people in the 100-115 IQ range for much the same reason that Murakami or Orwell are popular with people in that range.
>>24873586He's actually the most reddit philosopher there is.
I haven’t read Nietzsche but at some point I will because I need to find out if he is le based chud or le heckin chungus.From what I’ve seen posted of him here he seems like a complete faggot who just criticizes everything without offering any real alternative.What’s a good place to start? I’m thinking Beyond Good and Evil
>>24875485Beyond Good and Evil is the right place to start. I don't think it's true that he doesn't offer an alternative though. It's true that he doesn't say anything as clear as I AM THE LEADER OF THE NIETZSCHEANS - THIS IS WHAT YOU MUST DO but nor do many philosophers. If he focuses on critique its because, to him, not nearly enough critique has been done. What you will find is an attitude to life that denies the prescriptive power of pity and of normalisation, one that affirms treating lightly what has so far, even now, treated itself so seriously.
>>24875485A decent collection that presents the basic gist of him. Minimal commentary from the editor.He's just a lonely guy talking about being tough as nails. He isn't chud or chungus whatever the fuck those mean. He just didn't like the nihilism creeping up in the light of the people losing god in their lives
>>24874762It's unlikely he had syphyllis.
>>24875472this
nietzsche put the nail in coffin of any gay childish shit I had. he's opened my eyes to the absolute coal that modern reactionary groups are. even this rising surge of traditionalism is just collective cope for lack of wet pussy desu. theyre all resentful chud freaks.solomaxxing is the way to go. Kierkegaard was another great read. If God condemns me for not committing to some foreign trad larp, so be it. I still haven't gotten through all of his works, anyone else you'd recommend?
>>24875776He didn't. This is christian propaganda
>>24875776That would've required him to have sex in the first place.
>>24873586Because he was an Incel that wanted to be Chad.Just like us.
>>24875580Well maybe he should have admitted that rejecting God is a fundamental error instead.
>>24875854>I still haven't gotten through all of his works, anyone else you'd recommend?Sesame Street, because Nietzsche is for young and stupid malleable minds like yourself.
>>24875854>nietzsche put the nail in coffin of any gay childish shit I had>If God condemns me for... so be it.
He's basically 16th century Linkin Park.
>>24876562Well mister , you don't necessarily need to do the deed to get a disease such as syphilis it can be spread through toilet seats or....personal items (undies)
Where to start with Nietzsche?
He was kind of a ChudHe hated Christianity, the nationalists of his time and some kinds of vulgar antisemitism, but people forget that he was an anti semite himself and that he was deeply anti-democracy, anti-populism, anti-socialism etc. He espoused a kind of "heroic pagan" worldview which people who are not familiar with the Greeks won't understand, so he was a sort of Chud. Not like a Christian larper Chud who thinks that society needs to be a theocracy and that we need to go back to burning fags at the stake, but a kind of Chud who wants a return of the magnificence of the ancient aristocracies and the military state, and whose ideal human would probably be someone like Achilles or Alexander.
>>24875580walter kaufmann is a bad writer and a biased interpreter, thomas common has much more value
>>24875580Kaufmann translates it into Obama speak, I read the kaufmann translation and I see three times more frequency of words like "people, humans" pivoting away from moral imagery of behavior so it sounds like a jewish lesbian lecturing people, its such a subtle difference and such a hijakking of the style, its a series of his works from something ungraspable to english speakers, it makes you sound evil to criticize it
>>24875472
You shouldnt try to claim him
>>24873586Anyone who doesnt sugarcoat cold hard facts ends up winning against the feelings police.
>>24875485>I need to find out if he is le based chud or le heckin chungus.i think if you are the type of person with a mind like this, you are better off just not even bothering.
>>24876715In truth, the fundamental error was inventing him in the first place. >>24877678>Walter Kaufmann liked Nietzsche too muchWell I guess you won't be reading the biography>My WASP is better. [citation missing]>>24877719>Obama speak,English. Yes. Kaufmann knew both English and German. That's how he translated it.>Schzio ramblingYou are a jewish lesbian seething
>>24877643>>24874762he had a brain disorder called CADASIL that killed his father and brother>>24877653Genealogy of Morals. >>24874766This guy is right.>>24873735They were faggots who used Nietzsche's analysis to criticize white people and straight men and hid behind Enlightenment universalism if ever anyone dared to levy those same criticisms against their favorite minority groups (gays, blacks, women, etc.). Foucault frequently made arguments where he said that many rules in society are based on nothing at all but power in order to imply that they are bad, then sneak in a reference to something like the age of consent and let the reader conclude that it is unjust without his ever saying it himself. Spengler was one of the few true inheritors of Nietzsche who took his analysis to its logical conclusion and embraced the unknowable aspect of experience instead of treating it one-sidedly against the people in power.
>>24875485>without offering any real alternative.Slave Moralityanon has to be told how to act, what rules satisfy him, he cannot pick and choose and experience the whole thing for his ownNietzsche was right some people really are NPCs aka (You)
>>24873586You tell me
>>24873586How fucked am I if I am reading the Ludovicci translations into english?
>>24873735This. There is no chud Nietzschean, philosophy tube's video on how being a tranny is pro-nietzsche is on point. It's all about self affirmation and creating your own meaning, aka castrating yourself or being a pedophile.
>>24874738>De Beauvoir groomed students into fucking herOh noooo, the horrror!
>>24879144Kek
>>24873586Because most chuds dont have any knowledge about other philosophers like Kant, Descartes, Ancient greeks etc. When they jump right onto Nietzsche's works they think all the ideas written in the book are Nietzsche's. In the end, he was just a big plagiarist and a grand provoker.
Adopting Nietzscheanism is just a way to intellectually sanction a feeling of personal superiority over others. The worldview (it is really a psychology) is built on pure spite. You can see it in the seething, abrasive way Nietzsche wrote -- never a tender moment, fantasies of murdering "the botched and weak", a satanic belligerence that suggests he had never experienced the ennobling effects of Christian love on the sensitive European soul. Today's Nietzscheans are just the same as him. They are obsessed with bodybuilding not because they love beauty but because they want to stand out as superior to other men in a pathologically obsessive way. Beauty for them is only valuable insofar as it is comparative: a grand cathedral on its own is uninteresting, but next to a run-down shack in which some poor fellow lives in poverty it stands out as a symbol of power and humiliation, and so is pleasing to them. Nietzscheans are ultimately resentful larpers with weird complexes (like BAP, a dark-haired Romanian Jew who is always talking about the "superior" Nordic race) and there's maybe a minority of them who are actual sadistic psychopaths or serial killers, but I doubt even they exist because such types are usually so by nature and need no intellectual backing for what they are. The good thing is these types are usually utterly powerless, but with the way our civilisation is heading into nihilism I fear we will see them becoming more prominent.
>>24881206>yet another retard who thinks N is all about might makes rightyawn. how about limiting yourself to only talk about books you've actually read? perhaps it'll prevent you from embarrassing yourself any further
>>24881206
>>24881206>never a tender moment,Not even true
>—Let us look each other in the face. We are Hyperboreans—we know well enough how remote our place is. “Neither by land nor by water will you find the road to the Hyperboreans”: even Pindar,[1] in his day, knew that much about us. Beyond the North, beyond the ice, beyond death—our life, our happiness.... We have discovered that happiness; we know the way; we got our knowledge of it from thousands of years in the labyrinth. Who else has found it?—The man of today?—“I don’t know either the way out or the way in; I am whatever doesn’t know either the way out or the way in”—so sighs the man of today.... This is the sort of modernity that made us ill,—we sickened on lazy peace, cowardly compro mise, the whole virtuous dirtiness of the modern Yea and Nay. This tolerance and largeur of the heart that “forgives” everything because it “understands” everything is a sirocco to us. Rather live amid the ice than among modern virtues and other such south-winds!... We were brave enough; we spared neither ourselves nor others; but we were a long time finding out where to direct our courage. We grew dismal; they called us fatalists. Our fate—it was the fulness, the tension, the storing up of powers. We thirsted for the lightnings and great deeds; we kept as far as possible from the happiness of the weakling, from “resignation”... There was thunder in our air; nature, as we embodied it, became overcast—for we had not yet found the way. The formula of our happiness: a Yea, a Nay, a straight line, a goal....
>>24882615>What is good?—Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.>What is evil?—Whatever springs from weakness.>What is happiness?—The feeling that power increases—that resistance is overcome.>Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).>The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.>What is more harmful than any vice?—Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak—Christianity....
>>24882625>The problem that I set here is not what shall replace mankind in the order of living creatures (—man is an end—): but what type of man must be bred, must be willed, as being the most valuable, the most worthy of life, the most secure guarantee of the future.>This more valuable type has appeared often enough in the past: but always as a happy accident, as an exception, never as deliberately willed. Very often it has been precisely the most feared; hitherto it has been almost the terror of terrors;—and out of that terror the contrary type has been willed, cultivated and attained: the domestic animal, the herd animal, the sick brute-man—the Christian....
>group i like is dissatisfiednoble, will to power in action, great things are coming>group i dislike is dissatisfiedbad, le ressentiment, just admit ur defeatt. King of atheist casuistry
>>24873735The biggest Nietzscheans were Hitler and Mussolini
>>24882643>uhmm you support your friends and hate your enemies???>hypocritical much????behold, the last man
>>24882652But people have been telling me Nietzscheans are neither unprincipled nor resentful?
>>24882697Nobody's been telling you fuck all quit trying to bait responses by posting stupid and gay things please
>>24873586they haven't read him
>>24875485that is not kant's position, he thinks everyone should be nice to the meanest, weakest, most pathetic creature in society like a dwarf who gets a boner from being tucked in.
>>24882713Cry
Never met a young guy with his phenotype who weren't an autist
>>24882724Kek Kantfags are such a joke lmao
>>24873735>The only nietzschean chud I think is evolaNigga forgot about a little somebody called the fuhrer of the third reich
>>24882997hitler was not a nietzschean, he followed schopenhauer
>>24883060nopehttp://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/Hewel/Tgb_1941.html>11 July 1941 Friday>Führer-chat about Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche.>1.) Kant. purpose-bound, practical reason. First step into freedom from religious thoughts. But practical philosophy for state governments etc.>2.) Schopenhauer. The biggest, clearest spirit that every German should have read. Masterful in the argumentation. Writes the best German style. Political intelligence but there only rational tendency for defeatism. Also hyperbolic.>3.) Nietzsche. More intuitive than analytical. Affirmation of the laws of nature and of the struggle. Positive instructions. Therefore, the actual philosopher of National Socialism. Also Mussolini is greatest worshiper of Nietzsche
>>24873602>Academia >'"bravery"
I read Schopenhauer as Educator which was honestly relatively enjoyable and very easy to read. I finished it in <24 hours. I moved on to Beyond Good and Evil and dude what the fuck is this guy's deal? His writing style is honestly pretty faggy. It feels like I'm reading a play or something. He uses a ton of Latin phrases and maybe it's due to the translator but I have to look up a lot of words as well because they're so uncommon. He also doesn't really make strong points rather he seems to just kind of just do these "ermm well see X is actually Y". I'm very early in so maybe it gets better but for a guy who admired Schopenhauer to such the extent which Nietzsche did he sure didn't take on any of his clear writing.
>>24873586Moustache. Take that off, what is he?
>read gayass science>hes just critiquing plays and artists he didnt like
>>24884111>>24884223Neither of these are even accurate, clearly bait
>>24884482That‘s unfortunate as they make the works sound cooler than they probably are.
What a stupid fucking thread. None of you read him, and if you did you didn’t understand him and it shows, zoomer faggots.
>>24873643>dickheadsalready see slave values in this little nigga
>>24884482I am reading Beyond Good and Evil and his criticism of the Will so far has basically been >even if the Will makes me want to do something it’s my decision to actually carry it out and take action
>>24875448Nietzsche really isn’t all that easy to read, sounds like you haven’t either.
>>24884819he is actually is the easiest of them alli read BGE and it's just descartes skepticism but unlike descartes he never gets outNietzsche is only famous because of his recognition of origin of morality, that was enough to break the minds of christians and leftists and liberalsif you are weak, nobody should care, the only counter argument so far has been , "okay that's too edgy"some even say Nietszche loves the weak, he is just criticizing them so they can be better!these losers can't even imagine someone is actually saying to their face that they should perish as vermins that they areeven russell had nothing to say, he just made up a dialogue between buddha and Nietzsche and called it a day in history of western philosophy!
>>24884830Schopenhauer is by far the easiest to read but Schopenhauer also has something to say whereas, at least so far in my reading of Nietzsche, he hasn't said anything of value. Nietzsche seems more focused on style over substance.
>>24884848i agree, in BGE he didn't say anything deeply philosophical, the entire point was plato or kant developed their systems out of subconscious desiresi even stole his catchphrase "the ass has arrived, nice and handsome" and put it in my bio!the rest of it is just "learn to say no, Girl" or some bs self-help book but for intelligent people which i don't mindi really liked how he said something like this: once you denounce every value you are on your own, no one is there to tell you to fix your mistakes, the price for independence, something like that
>>24884885>the entire point was plato or kant developed their systems out of subconscious desiresSo it all starts with Plato and ends with Jung then
>>24884925actually it ends here
>>24884111>>24884223>>24884814>>24884830>>24884848>>24884885>dude what the fuck is this guy's deal?>seems to just kind of just do these>hes just>basically>and it's just descartes skepticism>losers>even russell had nothing to say>he hasn't said anything of value.>Nietzsche seems more focused on style over substance.>the rest of it is just "learn to say no, Girl"
>>24885115Yeah
>>24884830>it's justYou're a retard.
>>24885115>This is what passes as critique on /lit/
>>24886121This is the perfect title for that post.>>24885115MFW too.
This nigga is so insufferable to read. Idk how anyone likes him
Nietzsche talks about threads like this
>>24886162He triggered you.That's okay for you to put his work down. If you kept reading you'd have felt called out too.
>>24886178Seems like the you’re the one who’s triggered here pal
>>24886242>SeemsOh dear. He can't read...
>>2487373520th century french intellectuals whole philosophy was merely a psychological projection of them getting absolutely ASS fucked by Germany in 1940 and them coping and crying about how they couldnt even stand to it for more than two weeks. They are Nietzchean only in name, or at worst, Nietzche shouldnt be heard if he would agree with the french intellectuals
>>24886539this anon gets it
>>24886539>He doesn't get what happened to France in WWIIAmerican hypno-cation at work.
>>24879603Indeed
>>24877653
>>24889690
What was his argument against God again? From the quotes I've seen he says that Christianity isn't believable anymore but how exactly does that disprove God?
>>24879603But what I said was, fucking her AND Sartre. >>24889690Would you fuck one to fuck the other? I'll let you decide.
>>24879603Nigger.>>24891276Don't reply to the retarded nigger, anon.
>>24873586I think Nietzsche is a pretty cool guy. He writes about ubermensch and doesn't afraid of anything.
