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>>24881919notice how oppenheimer has disappeared completely from the public conscious
ThisTHISTHIS is going to be the movie that finally exposes Nolan to the public once and for all. I've known he was a fraud for years. He's a stupid person's idea of a genius director. An overrated hack who doesn't deserve all his hype. This is going to be the movie that destroys him. This is going to be his Thor: Love and Thunder. I can't wait.
>>24881924Because Oppenheimer is an oscar movie. It's a movie you watch once, think it's really great, then either never watch it again or watch it 20 years later and go "oh yeah that movie exists". Nobody sits down and watches Oppenheimer for 3 hours multiple times. It's not a re-watchable film like Interstellar or Tenet or whatever else.
>>24881919>Haste, Twilight Sparkle Grecian heroes save!
>>24881919I'll stick with my chicklit romance adaptations thanx
>>24881936the prestige was really good tho
>>24881919Why is there an anon that posts Kalos tweets on multiple boards? Is that you Kalos?
>>24881919Brother it doesn’t matter which translation he pretends to have used because the movie will have nothing to do with it.
>>24881936Stay mad, chud. Nolan the KINO man turns everything he touches into gold, even capeshit
>>24881939Interstellar is pure horseshit.
A woman is speaking. Listen and learn.
>>24881919Don't we already have a new movie about the Odyssey with Ralph Fiennes standing around with his dick hanging out half of the movie? Do we really need another one?
>>24881939None of his movies are rewatchable. But I don't find that to be a relevant criticism in the first place. There are many great movies that aren't rewatchable. His movies are mostly bad because of other, more legitimate reasons.
>>24882105Such as?
I haven't gotten excited about a film adaption of a piece of literature I enjoy since they released the LotR trilogy when I was a teenager. Expect the worst from these people. Always expect the worst.
>>24882119and if it wasn't clear from my post, the Peter Jackson films were horseshit.
>>24882069^
>>24882070what's her problem?
>>24881936>the comparison he uses is a superhero moviesays it all.
>>24882119>Expect the worst from these people. Always expect the worst.Seconding this. I think this just proves that, when all is said and done, film is a garbage art form compared to literature?
>>24882312>>24882119>film is a garbage art form>me? i like lord of the rings
>>24881936It'll just be the barest bones thriller just like Dunkirk.
>>24882314I don't think film is a garbage art form, and I think in many cases films exceed the experience of reading the source material, but expecting 21st century hollywood to put out an adaptation of the odyssey without fucking it up is wishful thinking. you think they're not going to write in some badass black girlboss who don't need no man.can't wait to see penelope.
does this guy even have a style? i don't remember ever seeing a film of his but he just seems like generic summer action movie the director
>>24882477i’ll bet you a grand right now that chris nolan’s odyssey won’t have a badass black girlboss. this is a particularly stupid line of criticism anyway. the eighteenth-century scholar richard bentley remarked that the iliad was written for men and the odyssey for women. wonder how many of the more vocal critics have even read the poem.
I just cringed myself into death and was resuscitated to cringe even more
>>24882513It‘s looking extremely probable that Zendaya is cast as Athena. Way to venture a take almost already disproven just to be a contrarian. >hwell if the eighteenth century shhcolar Rithard Bendley saysth Who cares what hot take was being chased three hundred years ago in a notoriously un-Homeric society. The Odyssey is mostly about one man‘s wanderings and adventures and it‘s plain goofy to superimpose the notion that a few references to weaving are the heart of the epic or some shit.
>>24882513ill make a thread to collect my monies
>>24882558when you said hollywood will force a girlboss rewrite, i didn’t think you meant arhena - a goddess - will be played by someone we don’t like. >notoriously un-Homericnotoriously what? to whom? according to what? eighteenth-century europe produced more homeric scholarship, translation, and commentary than basically any other period in history.colonel mure observed the difference in the same way: 'the women engross the chief part of the small stock of common sense allotted to the community.'
>>24882587be didn't say that, i did, he just agreed.
>>24882599thanks for clarifying
>he likes the zoomer gen translation which will be AI summarized anyway Nolan is a hack
>>24881939Forrest Gump was an Oscar movie. People watch that film every single time it's on tv. Oppenheimer was a shitty melodrama that only won awards because it made ridiculous claims like "nuclear physics is a jewish science" and "what a shame we didn't get to nuke those fucking Germans."
>>24882648gump is goated
Right-wing twitter is shitting on her lmaoFINALLY
>>24881975>Brother it doesn’t matter which translation he pretends to have used because the movie will have nothing to do with it.Given the trailer, yeah.
>>24881919People like to hate on Wilson because her vocabulary is overly simple, doesn't have flowery complexity etc.But the truth is that Fargle, Fitzgerals etc. all make up shit that was not in the original text. That's worse.
>>24882801All translations are bad if you want an authentic experience of Homer. Homer was meant to be listened to not read, so the authors you listed knowing that their audience will be reading it decided to translate it into the western poetic tradition of their times. So their translations are meant to be read. Wilson's translation is meant to be neither read nor listened to since she decided the best way to translate Homer is to remove all the flowery stuff added by past translators and just do a strip down quasi-literal translation. What you are left with is something that isn't really beautifully written nor is it something that can be put to music like Homer was originally meant. It's the worst of both worlds.
>>24881919Common Nolan W
>>24882871A good translator aims fearlessly at making a dead author living to a generation other than his own. If a translator can give it a new lease of life (eg by using a staid but simple English) it can allow readers to encounter Homer as he was meant to be: a storyteller whose work is immediate, visceral, and alive.
>>24882892Stating your opinion as if it's fact does not make it true
>>24882120Why doesn't glamdring glow? What the fixk???
>>24881919We've known Nolan would use Emily Wilson's material for the movie. This shouldn't be a surprise.
>>24883118Suppose I could’ve just replied this to your initial post.
>>24882801You can't translate a poem literally. It takes a poet to translate another poet.Which is why Wilson's translation is such soulless garbage.
>>24882892Does Wilson accomplish this though? Every positive review of Wilson seems more concerned with how she makes people they don't like mad more than the actual work. Does her translation make the work of Homer feel immediate, visceral, and alive to people who struggled with the pre-existing translations?
>>24881919Eat the cheese. Wilson will transform all of you into swine. Just like Nolan. You will all go consume this movie. You will enjoy it. You will worship zendaya. All of you will report back here to speak of classics sacrilege. I'm not exempt. That is all.
>>24883235I don't really trust Nolan with this and I've liked previous Nolan movies. The fact that the movie is taglined "Defy the gods" kind of confirmed by dread that this movie will be a miss.
>>24883235This is trueIts over
>>24882648Forrest Gump is garbage
>>24883220I’m just replying directly to their criticism that Wilson’s is stripped down with the flowery tropes removed.
>>24883313It's a solid 7.5-8/10. Likely better than your favorite movie.
>>24882871All communication is translation. This was even more true for the audience that actually heard the Odyssey in Hellenic: dialects were far more distinct at the time than they are now. There isn't some "perfect" meaning hidden in the original words on paper. There is no beetle in that box. Read Wittgenstein chud
>>24883328tfw forrest gump is better than jean renoir’s grand illusion.
>>24883341It is. Should have said The Rules of the Game.
>>24883384to me, it’s a lesser work.
>>24883391Renoir jr. himself is a lesser work
>>24883409very probably the greatest of all directors.
>>24883420after robert zemeckis, i mean.
Its a decent translation. No one here has even read it
You know that I gotta see a movie version of the odyssey Directed by Nolly CThat’s Christopher Nolan heWill bring the Greeks to the big screenYou that you oughta seeOughta see?Gotta see Gotta see the odyssey Staring Eliot Paige and zendayaAy ay ay yaGo and see itSection c
>>24882801total fucking retard opinion
>>24883409Renoir Jr. is way greater than Renoir Sr. Same as Tarkovsky.
>no one has read the zoomer tier Homer thank Zeus
>>24883457tarkovsky in the same breath as JR is an outrage.
>>24883328is your taste in books as shit as your taste in film?
>>24883634You're a faggot, and that's all I have to say about that
>>24881919BRAVO NOLAN I LOVE YOU
>>24882587>Athena—a goddess—(sic) will be played by someone faithlessly to her characterFixed that for you>eighteenth-century europe produced more homeric scholarship, translation, and commentary than basically any other period in history.Yeah and treating Homer as a jobs program for academy queers creates distance from the spirit of such a powerful text. Same thing as is happening today.
>>24884123you’re misusing [sic], unless you’re implying athena isn’t a goddess?what bentley meant was that in the odyssey things were looked at from a woman's point of view rather than a man's. samuel butler (another writer i’m sure you’ll conveniently dismiss) wrote a book on his theory that it was written in west sicily, and that nausicaa was a self-portrait. if you postulate an 8th- or 7th-century sicilian nausicaa as the authoress, no other alternative makes such sense of the textual cruces: if only because nausicaa is the one character in the story over whom real trouble has been taken, and whose princessly point of view is maintained throughout.
>>24882314>>me? i like lord of the ringsI (>>24882312) didn't say that, but the books *are* better than the movies, and that's true in the vast majority of cases, so the point still stands.
>>24881936His movies are entertaining, doubt anyone thinks he's a genius
>>24882558>Zendaya is cast as AthenaBoo, film needs an all greek cast
>>24882093>Ralph Fiennes standing around with his dick hanging out half of the movieI didn't know this. I need to watch this.
>>24884767>i never said that>self-reports anywaythe point still stands
>>24884770michael caine thinks he’s a genius.
>>24884767Movies are better because it has more violence and less faggy ass singing.
>>24884043i'm sure you don't have much to say about anything
>>24881939The movie...bombed?
>>24884175>if only because nausicaa is the one character in the story over whom real trouble has been taken, Nigger you what
>>24885840most characters in the odyssey serve a functional or episodic role: they either block odysseus, help him, or populate the world. but nausicaa is given a detailed inner life, careful characterisation and a sustained perspective: her first encounter with odysseus is presented almost entirely from her point of view. ‘homer’ pays attention to her behavioural realism: her family dynamics, her careful social reasoning (eg how she interacts with odysseus without scandal).no other minor character in the epic gets this level of narrative care. even penelope is only seen through the lens of odysseus’ absence.
>>24882489Less than half his films can be called action movies
>>24883220>blaming a writer for critics being artless egotists
>>24881919Objectively Nolan is far from the worst filmmaker but there's something I find uniquely soulless about his movies that I can't quite put my finger on. Can anyone explain why?
>>24885840Yep, it's Harold Bloom-tier nonsense.>>24885854Ventures into the willful and subjective.
>>24887257I think that's because most of his movies seem to focus on some cool concept rather than human relationships and drama. For example, I don't think anobody cares about DiCaprio's kids in Inception (or any character in that movie, really), the movie lives or dies by how impressed you are by its premise.
>>24881924I am so tired of everything being memory holed by the internet even the pandemic has been forgotten. Dont forget brat or whatever or the barbie movie. Honestly, I think barbie beat oppenheimer because it's rewatchable. I think, never watched it.
>>24887350>I am so tired of everything being memory holed by the internet99% of all things are memory holed by any human community. Why would people maintain living memory and discussion of things nobody cares about?
>>24882892your writing sounds like chat gpt
>>24887350>barbie beat oppenheimer because it's rewatchable. I think, never watched it.I've seen both and Barbie is genuinely a better movie.
>>24887383Citizen Kane has not been memory holed, despite it having no propaganda in the recent years.
>>24887417it’s a quote from a British novelist
>>24887298>Ventures into the willful and subjective.aka literary analysis
>>24882477I watched Orson Welles the process yesterday and it's Kafkaesque better than Kafka itself. Incredible film.
>>24887476Very selective literary analysis whose foremost thesis is invalidated by the fact that it still places her in relation to Odysseus; then further refutes the same logic applying to other characters for doing the same.
>>24887513naturally every character is ‘in relation to odysseus.’ only N is given a self-standing social world: her concerns about reputation, marriageability, female propriety and civic obligation are presented before O even enters the scene. her perspective is developed independently of the hero’s arc.
>>24884770Normies/redditors that think they're "Cinephiles" really love Nolan, but his movies are fine.>>24882119>I haven't gotten excited about a film ... since I was a teenager.You might just be depressed Xoomer Anon.
>>24882070>>24881919I cannot wait until we get the Emily Wilson Aeneid and New Testament. She should do Hesiod and Ovid too.
>>24887832>Emily Wilson New Testament Perfect for use with the Sparkle Creed, the new mainline Protestant replacement for the Nicene, Apostles', and Athanasian!
>>24882292He did that so that your pea brain would instantly grasp what he means, especially since Nolan is a glorified capeshit director himself.
>>24881919Why are all these talentless hacks obsessed with minimalism and subvertation
>>24887897subversion?
>>24881939I watched it multiple times.
>>24882648I couldn't even get past oppenheimer saying his catchphrase whilst porking florence pugh. Absolute drivel.
>>24887927>boom boom boom'd?the sloppenheimer posts on /tv/ were golden
>>24887900In this case, Odysseys grandeur and poetry being reduced to mere shadow of itself in Wilson's minimalist and plain translation, and this hack Nolan preferring it over superior translations.
>>24887945that's how you win in LA: you go as soi as possible no matter the amount of IQ points are sacrificed to ride the ideological wave
>>24881919Who cares? Nolan doesn’t make high art. Yes it’ll be a mediocre plotfag adaptation, so fucking what?
>>24881936I feel you, anon. Whenever a new Nolan comes out, it's always like I wake up in one of those twilight zone type scenarios where everyone does some insane shit and only the protagonist finds it weird. That is, everyone praises nolanslop to high heavens and I for the life of me can't see it, despite going in with good faith.Nevertheless, he's made some good ones: Memento, Prestige and Dunkirk.
I sincerely hope the current publishing industry survives just long enough that Wilson can see all her work shat on because they find a strong BLACK woman to replace her and they can throw out those awful, stuffy and anachronistic translations by that... *ptuh* WHITE woman... ugh...
>>24881936Felt this exact same way when Oppenheimer was about to come out. I said then this is just fucking hubris and then it explodes at the box office. That has to be the most baffling movie for that kind of massive box office success. The masses love this guy.
>>24881939It's boring as fuck
>>24887812>naturally every character is ‘in relation to odysseus.’ Therefore it makes the most sense that the author identified most strongly with him. >her concerns about […]Are somehow totally different from those provided for Telemachus and Penelope in the multiple books before Odysseus appears.
