>After Auschwitz, to write a poem is barbaric.Do you agree with this quote?
>>24889487Any good books about j fatigue and its consequences?
>>24889487Why would it be barbaric to write poetry because a Nazi labor camp existed?
People have written poems after wars and massacres before. Why is this one so different?
>>24889487The holocaust doesnt matter in the slightest.
>>24889487Mogged by Celan
>>24889487I will never understand why people read this retarded faggot instead of SchoenGOD.
>>24889487Well that depends if you're a fan of barbarism
>>24889487>>24889503Adorno later changed his mind about this when he read the poetry of Celan.
I can't really take Adorno seriously after he said that Schoenberg's Op. 27 'Four Pieces', a completely perfunctory title for a set of four pieces, suggested fragmentation and thus was a reference to the stone tablets on which the ten commandments were first written.
"This is also why Adrian Leverkühn does not know the essentials of composing with twelve tones. All he knows has been told him by Mr. Adorno, who knows only the little I was able to tell my pupils. The real fact will probably remain secret science until there is one who inherits it be virtue of an unsolicited gift."The harshness of my requirements is also the reason why, of the hundreds of my pupils, only a few have become composers: Anton Webern, Alban Berg, Hanns Eisler, Winfried Zillig, Roberto Gerhard, Nikos Skalkottas, Norbert von Hannenheim, Gerald Strang, Adolph Weiss. At least I have heard only of these."- "The Blessing of the Dressing" (1948) in Style and Idea, p. 386 (University of California Press 60th anniversary edition)
>>24889584*"This is also the reason why Thomas Mann's Adrian Leverkühn..." etc.
Earlier in life, I bought the 'Heidegger is refuted because of his Nazism' line, wholesale. Being and Time is such an innocent work of beauty. I have no idea how people drew those previous conclusions. Certainly not through rigour. Adorno seems to be the product purely of one culture (ideology) against another. Heidegger attempted to transcend ideology, originally. Admirable.
>>24889568this kind of thing is why i like adorno desu. regardless of whether it's right or wrong (wrong in this case meaning, idk, that a perfunctory title is statistically not unusual?), it's saying 'this is the level of imagination you need when approaching the world, this is how seriously you need to take the smallest thing'. you can't do that without sometimes looking ridiculous. and in fact, does it not make Schoenberg more interesting, does it not cast on his works a new but fitting light, to have, on the horizon of your imagination when listening, the sense of chiseled rocks in the wilderness?
>>24889602No, not all. It strikes me as the thinking of someone who has no feeling for music whatsoever, who needs to weigh the transcendent down with mundane meaning till the beauty of the form becomes mangled, and, unable to hold itself aloft under such strain, it ultimately crashes to earth in a jumbled heap. It is, in my view, anti-musical thought.
Ridiculous and arrogant.Im also sure most camp survivors wouldnt agree.
>>24889591Am I the only person as a youth who didn't buy into Marx? Even here in the states everyone has a brief Marx phase which never occurred with me.
I think I get the gist of what he's saying. Recently I got to know something horrible that happened to someone I know, and I felt like it was impure and pointless to try to portray myself as some sort of liberated, creative soul through literature. I felt like the only purpose in life was to become a man of action to try to mend this kind of tragedies. However, that feeling was transient. I don't think there's any tragedy serious enough to kill the moral good that good literature is.
>>24889676No, you’re not.
>Auschwitzwho?
>>24889715Feelings aren’t real anyway.
What a completely arbitrary cut off point. You think no one wrote poetry after the Mongols wrecked everything and murdered everyone in the most violent manner possible? What about the Black Death? Did he think that was just like 99-year olds passing away from the flu? The Plague probably involved kids puking up their bloody insides, and stray dogs then eating the corpse
poets are fart huffing retards, what's new
>>24889487Why would I agree with retarded quotes from narcissistic Jews?
Should we care about intellectuals funded by states and intelligence agencies with concrete goals?
>>24890170Because he was a crypto-chud
>>24889487Jews were writing them while running from the Gestapo.I believe in the sun, though it be dark;I believe in God, though He be silent;I believe in neighborly love, though it be unable to reveal itself.
>>24889487>The life of Geist wins its truth only by finding itself in what is absolutely torn apart.You predicted limousine liberals and exposed marriage as a sham. I'll agree but mark my words frankfurter, the return of empirical alienation is upon us.
>>24889487No
>>24889487>a chauvinistic "it's especially bad when it happens to us" jew who looks like this presumes to lecture others on aesthetics
>>24889487Unironically does Adorno have any takes that aren't just kvetching>this sucks>I hate that>this is a mark of cultural decay>that is unsensitive
>Jew pretends to be cultured>pretends to be GermanI hate him
>>24891128No, thats basically how jews make money
>>24889487they lost the right to complain about the holocaust after the 50 years of ethnic cleansing in gaza. hypocrite mfers.
No, it doesn't make any sense and it shows the folly of jewish exceptionalism that continues to plague our world. The holocaust was not unique and its significance has been grossly overexaggerated, a victimhood narrative that is the sword and shield of the jewish elite who continue to enslave humanity.
>>24889487womp womp
>>24891128see: >>24889510
>>24891128Don't forget>Jazz bad
>>24889510Kek, amazing meme. Did you make it, anon?
>>24889493Sumerian swindle>>24889487Faggot
>>24889487This is /lit/, not one of the brainlet boards, you'd be served well by actually reading instead of posting low quality bait you fucking polnigger retard
>>After the XXth century, when jewish banking&finance killed 100 million europeans, to write a poem is barbaric.i have jewish fatigue, lads.
>>24891535What will the Jews do if they are persecuted on a large scale again? If all their advantages are stripped from them, and they are forced back into the ghettos? It might happen. Adorno is the height of fat postwar Jewish arrogance. Never dreaming that the axe might swing another way. As though the Holocaust had settled things forever. Of course, nothing is forever.
>>24891529a fellow /classical/ poster made it.
>>24891128No but he's right about all of it, it all sucks and it's all hateable and a mark of cultural decay and unsensitive. I am not jewish fyi.
>>24891557Adorno was a retarded faggot and he's only read by people who are filtered by Schoenberg.
>>24891565Ok but everything still sucks and I don't care about music
>>24891571>I don't care about musicthen your opinion can be rightfully discarded.
>>24891569fucking kek at the stupid take outing him as a hunch-backed troll, for one your spine is supposed to be in a "valley" between your erector spinae, not protruding out into the chair back, and for another, his assumption about needing to walk "straight into" the building is based on absolutely nothing at all because you might have separated the in/out flow of people in two gates side by side, in which case an odd number of columns can work t. designer
>>24891575Not as in I don't like listening to music I just don't care about reading books about it
>>24891578>I just don't care about reading books about itthank you anon but we already know you are retarded.
>>24891581You haven't explained yet why this magically makes things not suck massive donkey dick
>>24891583you have to be at least 18 years old to post here. don't make me contact your parents.
>>24891586Ok
>>24891557The only reason you think everything sucks is because it fails to give you pleasure. Once people realize this, they will see your whinging as the pathetoc farce that it is.Ultimately, Adorno is just another facet pf western civilization's primary drive to satisfy people's increasingly large desires
>>24889487No.It's a barbaric quote. /thread
>>24889487The amount of j’s that survived the notsee “death camps” leads me to believe one of two things:>death camps were not what we were told>notsees were incompetent and therefore not the boogie man we’ve been led to believeWhich one is it?
