The pessimistic worldview is more philosophically coherent than the normie cope everyone peddles but it gets memory-holed because society literally cannot function if people accept it. The structural "life is good" narrative isn't more true, it's just more necessary for the machine to keep running. Think about it, who gets the time and mental space to actually contemplate existence? Not the wagecuck grinding 60 hours a week to afford rent, not the single mom juggling three jobs, not anyone trapped in survival mode. The system deliberately keeps people too busy, too distracted, too desperate to sit with the fundamental question of whether this whole project is even worth it. The few who do break through (philosophers, monks, NEETs with enough breathing room) keep arriving at the same dark conclusion but their ideas get filtered out because admitting "maybe we shouldn't keep this going" would collapse the entire social contract overnight. Schools don't teach Schopenhauer or Cioran alongside Disney movies for a reason. The powers that be need you believing in Progress™ and Meaning™ because the alternative is everyone collectively realizing we're just a cosmic mistake out of biological inertia and social pressure. The truth is structurally unpopular because it's structurally incompatible with civilization itself. You can't run an economy on "actually, non-being is preferable to being" so the real redpill stays esoteric, locked behind paywalls of leisure and education, while the masses get fed hopium by every institution that depends on their continued participation in the charade.
>>24890354spoken like someone who gets no bitches and stacks no paper fr
>>24890354you know what, youre correct, im going to kill myself.
>>24890368a salient point, actually. are there any philosophers who speak about how emotional states relate to and affect our logical cognition?
>>24890354True, but most of /lit/ is comprised of simpletons who can't accept the ugly reality of existence.
>>24890354>The pessimistic worldview is more philosophically coherentCoherent? In some ways. True? Not even remotely. If you encounter a machine that's too complex to understand, it's very difficult for you to argue that it's technically well crafted. You might feel awe, but you cannot coherently account for its design even if it were genius. But due to your limited understanding you will immediately spot thousands of things that don't add up to you and that seemingly warrant criticism. The world is one such machine. And pessimistic philosophers are the ill-informed opinionated critics.Philosophy isn't the main quest, it's one of the distractions, and usually quite an unproductive one. In 10 years you'll find yourself revising your inconsequential self-congratulatory opinions for the 30th time and your prophecy will fulfill itself - it was not worth it. You should have lived it instead of trying to infer it from one of the most limited datasets in human history. You may ask - what is the purpose of drawing ill-informed but coherent conclusions? Ego.>more ... coherent than the normie cope = I'm more logical than normal people, so smart>...because society literally cannot function if people accept it = society would collapse if it knew what I know, so tuff>fundamental questions of whether this whole project is even worth it = I'm so intellectual I think meaning instead of live it (I fail both)>the few who do break through = sense of achievementThe crowning achievement of a philosopher is to grow out of the need for philosophy.
>wagecuck>hopium>™ Another delightful post from the terminally-online buzzword squad.I have another meme phrase for you:touch grass
>>24890354I thought it was going to be a post about philosophy, instead it's inane social commentary.
>>24890354I Have A genuine question, do you mean this Descriptively or Prescriptively, one I want to know if you actually know the difference and two i want to know if Schopenhauer wanted to be understood in either particular way.
>>24890354Basically Gnosticism>>24890380Jung, probably >>24890368Yeah, that’s literally the entire point, bozo>>24890393Name a more coherent philosophy than Schopenhauer’s
>>24890456>Name a more coherent philosophy than Schopenhauer’sI had explained that coherence doesn't even remotely mean truth when it comes to evaluating fundamental questions. But if you want, I'll bite - Pragmatism.
>>24890354>the wagecuck grinding 60 hours a week to afford rent, not the single mom juggling three jobs, not anyone trapped in survival modeSeems like you're implying these are "bad" lives somehow as in "life is not good". Why is being a wagecuck not good?That people who do basically nothing like to justify doing nothing is as pointless as noting that people who do things like to justify doing things.
>>24890354basically the cope keeps going so the cope can keep going
>>24890469You're describing the spark of creation, the living Word, the Logos and framing it as if it isn't the coolest thing ever with reductive labels like "cope".
>Not the wagecuck grinding 60 hours a week to afford rent, not the single mom juggling three jobs, not anyone trapped in survival modeWhich, if you do live in the West, this sort of fate isn't hard to avoid. If you simply listened to what your teachers said you can avoid this suffering. If you'd done things right, by 30-35 you'll be in a comfy management role and then you have time to "muh contemplate".Obviously though, thinkcelling is completely pointless. Once you have more time, and have conquered the basics of life, then you can practise spirituality
>>24890497>Making it is becoming a middle managerYeah they famously have rewarding and fulfilling lives. Lmao.
all pessimism and cynicism comes from woundedness. pre-empting the worst means you're never disappointed. but you're never healed from your wound either. sure, there's no grand defeats since you hope for nothing, but there's no joy either. you'll never slay the dragon because 'what's the point'. well, you'll never know what the point is, maybe nobody will, maybe there is no point, maybe the point is simply Being and nothing else, but none of that matters to the rest of existence. life will keep going, and reality will keep unfolding. it's your choice to give up, and your own choice alone. why does misery love company anyway?
>>24890528Some do, some don't. With every promotion, more and more of your tasks become optional. If your goal is to have a fulfilling life instead of lamenting that your model coherently fails to grasp the meaning, becoming a middle manager is a very viable option.
>>24890528Better than yours neet
>>24890456>Jung, probablyyou missed the point. you believe so strongly in pessimism because you're a le sadboi
>>24890354Schopenhauer is a very 1970s tier philosopher.
>>24890545I have a job and a better education then (you) chud boy. I guess I found the middle manager.
>>24890544Have you gone bald, and married a fat ugly woman who barely has sex with you anymore just to complete the stereotype? Or will you wait another 5 years.
Why are you discussing philosophy on lit?
>>24890528The point is they're no longer animals trapped in survival mode, their bodies arent flooded with cortisol from the stress of being a delusional neet or a wagie living paycheck to paycheck.And you only really need to grind hard for 3-5 years early on, then you can coast through life, and have extra time to pursue other interests.
>>24890563>Pessimistic philosopher trying to dunk on middle managers>Ends up essentially describing SchopenhauerOof.
>>24890354I tend to avoid these debates because the opposition is either intellectually dishonest or morally compromised, but the lucid, Schopenhauerian pessimism you're articulating — the kind that, when genuinely understood, generates compassion rather than resentment — is simply the accurate view. Basically, you're right, OP.
Schopenhauer was a holy man
>>24890368clocked me sis
The inability to lie to oneself about reality is often diagnosed as "depression."
>>24890463>Why is being a wagecuck not good?For anyone with a functioning brain, it's self evident why spending half of your life doing things you hate is bad.
>>24890393Dude pessimism literally argues for aesetic withdrawal, anti-natalism, or in extreme cases suicide. Society literally could not function because we would all be dead or alone. Not because its some hidden knowledge that would fold the normie brain in on itself like some eldritch horror. You dont even know what you're talking about moron.>le moment when you're so philosophy you dont need philosophyyou're doing the same thing dumbass
>>24890354I often wonder how he would have responded to Nietzsche and Heidegger.
>>24890393Saying pessimists are wrong because the world is too complex to judge is just a dressed-up admission that you have no counterargument, and the claim that reflection is inferior to unexamined experience is the oldest anti-philosophical cliché in the book.
>SHITlosophyShit's for midwits, Dragon Ball is better
